pinkrobotkingfregl: ping00:00
pinkrobotkingis anyone actually here?00:00
shtylmaneveryone is always here00:01
JontheEchidnapinkrobotking: pong00:16
pinkrobotkingJontheEchidna: too late :P00:16
pinkrobotkingJontheEchidna: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/fluffy/00:16
pinkrobotkingin case you got improvement suggestions00:16
freglpinkrobotking: moin00:31
pinkrobotkingfregl: honey you are late ... http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/fluffy/00:32
freglpinkrobotking: I know, I'm old and slow...00:32
freglpinkrobotking: what is a "granding technique" ? :p00:33
freglwil +l00:33
pinkrobotkinggranding is when you grand something00:34
freglah, perfecting00:34
freglpinkrobotking: what did you drink "epsecially"?00:34
freglat least you called rekonq rekonq00:35
pinkrobotkingI can hardly call it recum in public00:35
ScottKfregl: Judging from your photos you've got some time yet before you can get away with the "I'm old" excuse.00:36
freglScottK: hush :)00:36
pinkrobotkingdont let photoshop foul you00:37
pinkrobotkingin reality he looks WAY older00:37
* ScottK is open on the question of slow though.00:37
pinkrobotkingfregl: was that all?00:37
freglmy receding hairline makes me weep every morning for an hour at least00:37
freglpinkrobotking: looks good as far as I can tell :)00:38
fregl♥ Stay Fluffy ♥00:38
pinkrobotkingfregl: just keep telling yourself that it is result of too much thinking00:41
pinkrobotkingworks for me :P00:41
* pinkrobotking should blog about that00:41
* fregl still has an unfinished blog post about fluffy, no idea what's in there :)00:42
pinkrobotkingbeing unshaved is result of being too important and tired eyese are a result of being too efficient00:42
pinkrobotkingfregl: does it come with stars and balloons?00:43
* pinkrobotking really needs to unfollow people on twatter he is following on denteist's dream already :/00:46
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freglno stars included, baloons might be.. need to check later00:46
fregland I tried earlier to unbreak the krunner opaque themeing but that was sadly not possible as plasma doesn't like to behave00:47
pinkrobotkingfregl: what is broken with it?00:49
pinkrobotkingthe misrendering (black)?00:49
freglround corners → black splots (despite having a mask for that) but that seems to be a general problem here00:52
fregland the horizontal bar pixmap is scaled00:52
freglbut maybe it is just my broken plasma, no clue how yours looks :)00:53
pinkrobotkinghm scaling I did not notice00:56
pinkrobotkinghowever sometimes plasma decided to scale without reason when switching between opaque and translucent00:57
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CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1134711 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/workeracquire.cpp Correctly set errorText and failedItem. (They had been reversed. Oops.)04:10
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1134713 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.h worker/worker.cpp) Move download started signal to right before when downloading actually starts. I had been a bit confused on the issue due to poor libapt-pkg API.04:11
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1134714 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp I had forgotten to implement a dialog for fetch errors :S Implement one.04:12
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JontheEchidna^what all the network drops were for04:12
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1134716 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp Forgot to remove these events after the "download started" signal emission moved further down the function04:15
JontheEchidnaHrm, the transaction question stuff needs a rework and I just wrote it this afternoon... v.v04:19
JontheEchidnawill do tomorrow though. g'night04:20
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apacheloggermy blog post about cd building is gonna be epic11:31
* apachelogger hugs Nightrose11:31
* Nightrose hugs apachelogger :)11:32
apacheloggerit appears to me that installing the base system now indeed does not try to install fluffy-desktop11:33
* apachelogger keeps fingers crossed to get a working install this time11:33
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about fluffy11:50
Tm_Tapachelogger: ^11:50
apacheloggerjussi: ^11:51
Tm_Tapachelogger: no, write the factoid so someone, like I, can add it then (:11:51
apacheloggerI dunno what to write11:51
apacheloggerfregl: ^11:51
apacheloggerit seems my installation did not go as well as I hoped11:52
apacheloggerno kdm :(11:52
apacheloggerit did not install fluffy at all -.-11:53
freglwhat is fluffy?11:53
freglah, it's the kubuntu without amarok, right? :)11:54
apacheloggerit is a kubuntu without kde11:54
apacheloggeror so says my vm :(11:54
freglyay ... not :(11:54
* fregl hugs apachelogger, even without kde11:55
* apachelogger rehugs fregl crying because he does not know why the install fails so horribly11:55
freglbecause distribution building needs sacrificing pink bunnies to the FSM?11:56
apacheloggerthe FSM?11:57
freglflying spaghettin monster?11:57
* apachelogger falls over11:57
freglapachelogger: actually that image in the article would also fit... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster I wonder about the license11:58
freglnot free - fail :(11:59
apacheloggeroh my12:01
* apachelogger is wondering if taskel might be the failure here12:01
apacheloggerthis almost makes sense12:02
freglapachelogger: what is a "mhall119"?12:05
apacheloggerfregl: i dunno?12:05
freglyour esquimo identica friend wants to send you one (?)12:05
apacheloggermaybe an artist12:06
apacheloggersomeone should tell him that KDE theming is superior to xfce and xfce will never be as attractive12:06
apacheloggeralso, did he call me a girl?12:06
apacheloggerfregl: can you help him find out what he wants :P12:13
* apachelogger is busy fighting tasksel12:13
apacheloggerd-ipkgsel/includestring fluffy-desktop12:17
apacheloggerthat should do it for now ...12:17
* apachelogger rebuilds image the 7th time today12:17
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ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about fluffy12:39
jussiapachelogger: have you a fluffy homepage yet?12:40
apacheloggernot yet :(12:40
apacheloggerfregl: ^ we should do something about that12:40
fregleean faild us homepage wise, didn't he?12:41
jussiapachelogger: as soon as you get a homepage Ill add one for you. just let me know what it is.12:41
jussiif its just server space you need, see tsimpson about something on jussi01.com12:41
apacheloggerfregl: pretty much12:42
apacheloggerfregl: the nice ubuntu family already welcomes us :D12:42
fregljussi: that is amazing *hug*12:43
jussiapachelogger: although, where do you have kubotu running?12:43
jussiis it on jussi01.com? 12:43
apacheloggerI think so12:43
* apachelogger is confused with the hostnames12:43
freglok, maybe we should take up that offer, the question is what to put there... my design skillz are so amazing that we really should find someone else to do a homepage12:44
jussiwe can link something into your homedir then.12:44
jussifregl: just make a nice wordpress theme :P12:44
apacheloggeroh, silly old wordpress12:44
freglbut wordpress is a good starting point12:44
freglwe can have a fluffy distor blog right away then12:44
* apachelogger is wondering if he broke the install again :/12:44
apacheloggerthe thing is12:45
jussior just tell us what you want, django, joomla, drupal etc12:45
apacheloggerif it is in my home I need to maintain it :P12:45
jussiapachelogger: if its wordpress it doesnt need to be12:46
jussiall web done ;)12:46
apacheloggerdebian-installer apparently does not like not having a tasksel defined :/12:46
apacheloggerjussi: then we shall use wordpress ^^12:46
jussiright, Ill get tsimpson to add another instance and give you the keys whne its done12:46
* apachelogger hugs jussi12:47
jussioh, and this could be modified :P http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/kitten-in-pink12:47
* jussi hugs apachelogger12:47
neversfeldehello kitty is also pink :)12:48
apacheloggerNO HELLO KITTY!12:48
apacheloggerleinir told me all about its evilness!12:49
apacheloggerI do not want to have anything to do with that12:49
neversfeldemhh :)12:49
neversfeldeI know nothing more about hello kitty than it is pink12:49
jussineversfelde: good, keep it that way!12:49
* neversfelde has two sisters using a hello kitty windows theme12:50
jussiwindows has themes? o.O other than the standard 2? o.O12:51
Tm_Tjussi: yes, 3rd party, which might break a lot of stuff12:52
apacheloggerit is installing Qt :'(12:52
apacheloggerthis is so awesome12:52
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jussianyone remember what the mario clone game was?12:55
Tm_Tjussi: you mean supertux? (supermario tuxified)12:56
jussimaybe... /me installs to see12:56
Tm_Tatleast that one is pretty straight clone, just different theme and a bit different physics12:58
* pinkrobotking just thought of the ubuntu mario ^^12:59
pinkrobotkingthere is still something wrong :(13:12
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apacheloggerseems plasma is a bit broken in my packaging13:40
apacheloggercoloring is fine though13:41
apacheloggerfregl: maybe it was luck, but I think I just did the first successfull installation \o/13:42
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Tonio_oups, sory, testing keyboard mapping :)14:50
amichairwhat are the actual ppa links for those mentioned in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs?14:52
tsimpsonamichair: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa#ppas15:32
amichairtsimpson: thanks15:33
flupkehi, why isn't the QtMultimedia module packaged in python-qt4 ?16:28
flupkelooks like it was forgotten in the install rule, where should I report this ? (the bug is the same on debian squeeze)16:38
flupkeubuntu launchpad ? or maybe I should report to debian (I think the ubuntu packages are taken from there ?) ? or maybe both ? :)16:41
ScottKflupke: It would be best to report it to both.16:45
flupkeScottK, ok (thanks again :) )16:46
flupkeI'm verifying my patch works and will post it soon16:46
flupkehere it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/+bug/59014017:05
ubottuUbuntu bug 590140 in python-qt4 (Ubuntu) "QtMultimedia module missing from python-qt4" [Undecided,New]17:05
flupketested on my box and works fine17:05
debfxIIRC qtmultimedia will be removed in qt 4.7 final17:05
ScottKflupke: ^^^ that perhaps changes things.17:07
flupkewell ATM there is functionnality that's only present in qtmultimedia (recording)17:08
Tm_TI wonder why Phonon cannot be used though... oh well17:09
ScottKflupke: If there's multimedia stuff missing from the bindings for Qt 4.6, I think that's a great bug for Debian (they won't focus on 4.7 or later until after Squeeze releases), but it seems for 4.7 here we perhaps ought to wait a bit and see.17:11
ScottKJontheEchidna or apachelogger: kamoso needs a rebuild to drop the old kdebase-workspace-libs4+5 depends.  It also FTBFS with the current pkg-kde-tools.  Would one of you please fix it up?17:12
shadeslayerlex79: um.. is 4.4.85 in ktown?17:20
lex79I don't think so17:21
flupkeScottK, well that's not a big fix, just adding a lib in the installed files list :)17:22
flupkeScottK, and 10.04 is here for long17:22
ScottKflupke: I think it's worth considering for us for 10.04 first.17:22
shadeslayerlex79: then why was the wiki page to packaging 4.4.85?17:23
ScottKIt's a bit tricky since generally such bugs should be fixed in the development release first and it's not clearly appropriate here.17:23
ScottKflupke: If Debian picks up the change for 4.6, I'll figure out how to push it here too.17:23
lex79shadeslayer: I just prepared the page, doesn't mean nothing :)17:24
shadeslayerah ok :D17:24
shadeslayerlex79: btw are you in the kubuntu council as well?17:25
Tm_Tshadeslayer: considering we are at 4.4.82 currently17:25
lex79shadeslayer: no17:25
shadeslayerlex79: ah ok :)17:26
shadeslayerTm_T: yes i saw that :)17:26
flupkeScottK, ok thanks, got to go, I'll post the bug to debian tomorrow17:32
ScottKThanks.  Let me know how it works out.17:32
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amichairScottK: just noticed the added ppas in the wiki page... many thanks!17:52
ScottKamichair: Was that what you wanted?17:52
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amichairScottK: much more :-)17:53
ScottKapachelogger: Is kubuntu-dev-tools still useful?  I notice it didn't change at all in the last cycle?18:40
ScottKWould someone please have a listen to http://www.nixnews.tk/kubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-netbook-remix-first-look and let me know if the reviewer liked it?  I'm pretty sure it's in German.18:52
apacheloggerScottK: if only I knew19:02
debfxI just noticed you have to explicitly pass --buildsystem=kde when overriding dh_auto_*19:07
debfxthis can be a problem as debian doesn't do anything in dh_auto_{install,clean} so they won't notice when it's missing19:07
* apachelogger needs to get wasted so he can come up with good code designs19:13
apacheloggerNightrose, fregl, ScottK: if you need something creative from me, tonight is your chance19:13
* Nightrose ponders19:13
Nightroseapachelogger: can you write a chapter of my paper?19:14
Nightrosethe one about splines?19:14
* apachelogger is not much into splines unfortunately19:14
apacheloggerbut if it just needs to be blah blah, then I suppose I can do that ^^19:14
apacheloggerthat said, I still need to write stuff for my knowledge management assignment19:15
apacheloggeroh my19:15
Nightroseshould be a bit more than that unfortunately19:15
apacheloggercant help then, sorry :(19:15
Nightroseapachelogger: what do you need?19:15
Nightroseyou could use my workwork's awesome wiki :D19:15
apacheloggerI did :P19:15
* apachelogger doesnt even know what is up this week19:15
apacheloggerwe are drifting towards madness I am afraid19:16
apacheloggersee, we have these scenario companies that each group has to add knowledge management stuff to19:16
apacheloggeralmost every week another area of knowledge management19:16
apacheloggersuffice to say our companies are basically knowledge factories already19:17
apacheloggerthe amount of explicit knowledge scares me already ^^19:17
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ScottKThus it needs management.19:43
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JontheEchidnaScottK: On it. Though I think I recall seeing it have a gcc 4.5 FTBFS in the rebuild logs last cycle...21:17
JontheEchidnaWe'll see what happens21:17
ScottKIt at least needs update for the new pkg-kde-tools.  Then I guess we'll see.21:18
ulysseshello guys, I've just upgraded to Maverick, it is awesome.21:18
JontheEchidnaScottK: hum. No pkg-kde-tools build-dep. Must've been using an ancient kde.mk file from cdbs21:19
ScottKtxwikinger: ichthux-desktop still depends on kwin.  Would you please change it to kde-window-manager.21:36
ScottK(kwin is an obsolete transitional package in Maverick)21:36
txwikingerScottK: right... I will put that on my list21:37
ScottKtxwikinger: Similar issue with ichthux-docs and khelpcenter21:37
txwikingerI have to do several things for ichthux21:37
ScottKIIRC it should be khelpcenter421:37
JontheEchidnaScottK: fixed kamoso uploaded21:50
ScottKJontheEchidna: Thanks.21:50
_Groo_hi/2 all21:53
_Groo_who did the amarok 2.3.1 build in kubuntu ppa? i have a question21:53
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1134949 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (workerdbus.cpp workerdbus.h) SVN_SILENT: svn add21:54
_Groo_im building amarok from git but the upcming events and such that are dependent of liblastfm isnt building (lucid) and i do have the dev files installed.. 21:55
_Groo_anything im missing?21:55
ScottK_Groo_: It looks like Riddell uploaded it, but he's offline this weekend.21:55
_Groo_ScottK: ok scott, tks21:56
_Groo_ScottK: can you help me? im using debuild as usual to build stuff but after the inicial build (sucessfull) if i try to rebuild i get this error21:59
ScottKI'm a bit busy at the moment, but I can take a quick look.  What error?21:59
_Groo_ScottK: http://pastebin.com/Rv0vQYt722:01
_Groo_ScottK: sorry kde was giving em a hard time pasting it lol22:01
_Groo_i know its a generic error but i dont know what could be polluting it, i removed debhelper files, obj-, doint know what is going on22:03
ScottKNot sure.22:03
ScottKI'd start with a clean package and try again.22:03
* ScottK needs to run.22:03
_Groo_ScottK: k, tks.. yeah it works, but after the first compile i always get this22:05
_Groo_and its amarol, so its huge to regit :P22:05
apacheloggeruse bangarang then :P22:07
* apachelogger does not have a clue about the context here though :P22:07
_Groo_apachelogger: i found it, nvm22:23
lex79JontheEchidna: when you have time there are still some packages in my ppa that need upload22:28
lex79thanks :)22:28
debfxand digikam merge in bzr :D22:29
lex79and ktorrent :D22:30
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1134952 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (CMakeLists.txt worker/worker.h) Build fix(es). No clue how this built before22:30
JontheEchidnanow that I fixed the build I'll get on that :)22:30
JontheEchidnalex79: http://paste.ubuntu.com/445296/22:32
JontheEchidnaredownloaded and it worked22:33
JontheEchidnamust have been corrupted during download22:34
apacheloggeryo yo22:38
* apachelogger is beyond ballmer's peak now22:38
JontheEchidnaQuintasan|Szel: where's your ktorrent merge again?22:43
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: btw, from a quick look at the backend it seems like you got the connection logic inverted22:46
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: oh?22:46
apacheloggerlike downloadMessage(int, const QString&)22:46
apacheloggerthat should be emitted by the backend22:47
apacheloggerconnected to a slot in worker22:47
apacheloggerunless I get the function of this thingy wrong22:47
JontheEchidnathe worker sends that over dbus to the backend over dbus, which emits the signal to our apps22:47
JontheEchidnahmm, I said over dbus twice there...22:47
JontheEchidnabasically we're re-emitting the signal we receive over dbus22:48
apacheloggerthat souds wrong if you ask me22:48
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: the app access the backend?22:48
apacheloggerthen this seems wrong22:49
apacheloggerapp -> worker -> backend22:49
apacheloggeryou have app -> backend -> worker22:49
JontheEchidnathe worker only does root stuff22:49
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: the then app needs both22:50
apacheloggerimagine an app that does only display stuff22:50
apacheloggerit would not require the worker at all, would it?22:50
JontheEchidnathat is correct22:50
apacheloggerso why should the backend enforce the worker startup?22:50
JontheEchidnait doesn't22:50
JontheEchidnathe worker will only start when sent a signal over dbus22:50
apacheloggerhow so?22:50
apacheloggerthat seems overly dirty22:51
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: you are trying to do convenience at the cost of library sanity if you ask me :/22:51
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: well, this all leads back to the question why the worker implements so much logic :P22:56
apacheloggerall of the signals you get from the worker seem like stuff that should be in the lib to begin with22:56
JontheEchidnabecause what the worker does needs authorization to run22:58
JontheEchidnarunning only the stuff that needs root to work has obvious security benefits22:58
JontheEchidnarunning the whole GUI as root led to issues in adept's case, too: bug 29069523:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 290695 in adept (Ubuntu Jaunty) "Adept allows editing filenames in Details view" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29069523:00
apacheloggerthat is not what I implied23:01
JontheEchidnabad programming aside, it's best to run as little as root as you can get away with23:01
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: why is the worker dbus btw?23:07
JontheEchidnarequired for policykit23:07
JontheEchidnaunless there's an alternate form of between-process communication I don't know about...23:08
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: worker talks to policykitd getting auth and then does its magic?23:08
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: yeah23:09
JontheEchidnabut since we have to do it inside worker, it can't talk to the backend normally, so we have to use dbus23:09
JontheEchidnato notify of progress, warnings, errors, questions, and such23:09
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: worker talking to authorizedbackend, authorizedbackend being instancified by backend23:10
apacheloggerapp -> backend -> authbackend -> worker23:10
apacheloggersort of 2 way each -> actually ... <->23:10
JontheEchidnawhich process is authorized backend?23:12
JontheEchidnawhich process is authorized backend in?23:12
apacheloggergood question23:13
JontheEchidnaany policykit worker is run entirely as root, and relies on polkitd to see if it really should do $action23:15
JontheEchidnaso e.g. if you had an app that does "touch /etc/fluffy", but you didn't want the gui to run as root, you could create a worker that has a function to touch /etc/fluffy23:16
JontheEchidnaif you don't want the worker to be an all-the-time daemon, you'd give it a dbus service xml file that tells dbus to start /usr/bin/fluffytoucher23:17
JontheEchidnawhenever a org.fluffy.toucher method is called23:17
JontheEchidnafluffytoucher, which runs as root, asks polkitd to see if it really should touch /etc/fluffy, and polkitd asks polkit-kde to pop up a dialog for auth23:18
JontheEchidnaif auth comes back good, it touches. If bad, it returns from the touchFluffy() function without doing anything23:18
apacheloggerpolicykit sounds like one bloody work around23:19
JontheEchidnaand would probably send a boolean signal back over the bus depending on success23:19
apacheloggerinstead of fixing posix they work around its limitations -.-23:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: why does fluffytoucher run as root to being with?23:20
apacheloggerwhere is this defined?23:20
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: presumably, $user doesn't have write access to /etc23:20
JontheEchidnathe root-havingness is definied in the dbus service xml file23:21
JontheEchidnathis is qaptworker's http://pastebin.com/zBS8M4Rt23:21
JontheEchidnaand this conf file ensures that only polkitd running as root can start it: http://pastebin.com/tBfQBCDx23:22
JontheEchidnabrb, pizza23:22
apacheloggerI recon dbus is using like a libloader here23:23
* apachelogger either misses a piece to understand this propery or policykit is the greatest workaround in the history of linux23:23
* JontheEchidna back23:29
JontheEchidnayeah, though sudo is sort of working around posix deficiencies as well23:29
JontheEchidnait's just a well established workaround ;)23:29
apacheloggersudo carries out posix23:32
apacheloggerpolicykit actually works aroudn it23:32
JontheEchidnahttp://kdeatopensuse.wordpress.com/2010/06/05/week-22-kde-at-opensuse/ <- we should really be doing a similar blog about kubuntu dev activities23:33
ScottKOf course that one includes the standard opensuse strategy of just disabling things with problems rather than fixing them.23:34
siegieScottK: About that video link you posted earlier. It is in german.  He tested a alpha version off the netbook remix in march and was verry impressed "wunderschön"= wonderfull beautiful, he named no disadvantage or wat so ever. 23:46
ScottKsiegie: Thank you.23:47
ScottKFrom his tone, it sounded good, but I had no idea.23:47
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siegieScottK: np, my german is beter than my English :) 23:52
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1134972 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (globals.h package.h) Move the UpdateImportance enum to globals.h, where it belongs. I'll commit a PackageState move next, after I port things for the API change23:56

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