| pinkrobotking | fregl: ping | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| pinkrobotking | is anyone actually here? | 00:00 |
| shtylman | everyone is always here | 00:01 |
| pinkrobotking | oh | 00:01 |
| pinkrobotking | shtylman! | 00:01 |
| JontheEchidna | pinkrobotking: pong | 00:16 |
| pinkrobotking | JontheEchidna: too late :P | 00:16 |
| pinkrobotking | JontheEchidna: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/fluffy/ | 00:16 |
| pinkrobotking | in case you got improvement suggestions | 00:16 |
| fregl | pinkrobotking: moin | 00:31 |
| pinkrobotking | fregl: honey you are late ... http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/fluffy/ | 00:32 |
| fregl | pinkrobotking: I know, I'm old and slow... | 00:32 |
| fregl | pinkrobotking: what is a "granding technique" ? :p | 00:33 |
| fregl | wil +l | 00:33 |
| pinkrobotking | granding is when you grand something | 00:34 |
| fregl | ah, perfecting | 00:34 |
| fregl | pinkrobotking: what did you drink "epsecially"? | 00:34 |
| fregl | at least you called rekonq rekonq | 00:35 |
| pinkrobotking | I can hardly call it recum in public | 00:35 |
| pinkrobotking | ohw | 00:35 |
| pinkrobotking | sry | 00:35 |
| pinkrobotking | :/ | 00:35 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 00:36 |
| ScottK | fregl: Judging from your photos you've got some time yet before you can get away with the "I'm old" excuse. | 00:36 |
| fregl | ScottK: hush :) | 00:36 |
| pinkrobotking | oh | 00:36 |
| pinkrobotking | dont let photoshop foul you | 00:37 |
| pinkrobotking | in reality he looks WAY older | 00:37 |
| * ScottK is open on the question of slow though. | 00:37 | |
| pinkrobotking | fregl: was that all? | 00:37 |
| fregl | my receding hairline makes me weep every morning for an hour at least | 00:37 |
| fregl | pinkrobotking: looks good as far as I can tell :) | 00:38 |
| fregl | ♥ Stay Fluffy ♥ | 00:38 |
| fregl | lovely | 00:38 |
| pinkrobotking | fregl: just keep telling yourself that it is result of too much thinking | 00:41 |
| pinkrobotking | works for me :P | 00:41 |
| * pinkrobotking should blog about that | 00:41 | |
| * fregl still has an unfinished blog post about fluffy, no idea what's in there :) | 00:42 | |
| pinkrobotking | being unshaved is result of being too important and tired eyese are a result of being too efficient | 00:42 |
| pinkrobotking | fregl: does it come with stars and balloons? | 00:43 |
| * pinkrobotking really needs to unfollow people on twatter he is following on denteist's dream already :/ | 00:46 | |
| === keffie_jayx_ is now known as keffie_jayx | ||
| fregl | no stars included, baloons might be.. need to check later | 00:46 |
| fregl | and I tried earlier to unbreak the krunner opaque themeing but that was sadly not possible as plasma doesn't like to behave | 00:47 |
| fregl | (surprise) | 00:47 |
| pinkrobotking | fregl: what is broken with it? | 00:49 |
| pinkrobotking | the misrendering (black)? | 00:49 |
| fregl | round corners → black splots (despite having a mask for that) but that seems to be a general problem here | 00:52 |
| fregl | and the horizontal bar pixmap is scaled | 00:52 |
| fregl | but maybe it is just my broken plasma, no clue how yours looks :) | 00:53 |
| pinkrobotking | hm scaling I did not notice | 00:56 |
| pinkrobotking | however sometimes plasma decided to scale without reason when switching between opaque and translucent | 00:57 |
| === pinkrobotking is now known as apachelogger | ||
| CIA-91 | [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134711 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/workeracquire.cpp Correctly set errorText and failedItem. (They had been reversed. Oops.) | 04:10 |
| CIA-91 | [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134713 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.h worker/worker.cpp) Move download started signal to right before when downloading actually starts. I had been a bit confused on the issue due to poor libapt-pkg API. | 04:11 |
| CIA-91 | [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134714 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp I had forgotten to implement a dialog for fetch errors :S Implement one. | 04:12 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| JontheEchidna | ^what all the network drops were for | 04:12 |
| CIA-91 | [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134716 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp Forgot to remove these events after the "download started" signal emission moved further down the function | 04:15 |
| JontheEchidna | Hrm, the transaction question stuff needs a rework and I just wrote it this afternoon... v.v | 04:19 |
| JontheEchidna | will do tomorrow though. g'night | 04:20 |
| === valorie is now known as valorie2 | ||
| === valorie2 is now known as valorie | ||
| apachelogger | my blog post about cd building is gonna be epic | 11:31 |
| apachelogger | also | 11:31 |
| * apachelogger hugs Nightrose | 11:31 | |
| * Nightrose hugs apachelogger :) | 11:32 | |
| apachelogger | hm | 11:33 |
| apachelogger | it appears to me that installing the base system now indeed does not try to install fluffy-desktop | 11:33 |
| * apachelogger keeps fingers crossed to get a working install this time | 11:33 | |
| Tm_T | !fluffy | 11:50 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about fluffy | 11:50 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: ^ | 11:50 |
| apachelogger | jussi: ^ | 11:51 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: no, write the factoid so someone, like I, can add it then (: | 11:51 |
| apachelogger | I dunno what to write | 11:51 |
| apachelogger | fregl: ^ | 11:51 |
| apachelogger | ahhhh | 11:51 |
| apachelogger | it seems my installation did not go as well as I hoped | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | no kdm :( | 11:52 |
| Tm_T | hrrr | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | meh | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | meeeeeh | 11:52 |
| apachelogger | it did not install fluffy at all -.- | 11:53 |
| apachelogger | man | 11:53 |
| fregl | what is fluffy? | 11:53 |
| fregl | ah, it's the kubuntu without amarok, right? :) | 11:54 |
| apachelogger | yes | 11:54 |
| apachelogger | actually | 11:54 |
| apachelogger | it is a kubuntu without kde | 11:54 |
| apachelogger | or so says my vm :( | 11:54 |
| fregl | yay ... not :( | 11:54 |
| * fregl hugs apachelogger, even without kde | 11:55 | |
| * apachelogger rehugs fregl crying because he does not know why the install fails so horribly | 11:55 | |
| fregl | because distribution building needs sacrificing pink bunnies to the FSM? | 11:56 |
| apachelogger | the FSM? | 11:57 |
| fregl | flying spaghettin monster? | 11:57 |
| apachelogger | OMG | 11:57 |
| apachelogger | no! | 11:57 |
| apachelogger | omg!!!!!! | 11:57 |
| * apachelogger falls over | 11:57 | |
| fregl | apachelogger: actually that image in the article would also fit... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster I wonder about the license | 11:58 |
| fregl | not free - fail :( | 11:59 |
| apachelogger | oh my | 12:01 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:01 |
| * apachelogger is wondering if taskel might be the failure here | 12:01 | |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:02 |
| apachelogger | this almost makes sense | 12:02 |
| fregl | apachelogger: what is a "mhall119"? | 12:05 |
| apachelogger | fregl: i dunno? | 12:05 |
| fregl | your esquimo identica friend wants to send you one (?) | 12:05 |
| apachelogger | oh | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | maybe an artist | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | someone should tell him that KDE theming is superior to xfce and xfce will never be as attractive | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | also, did he call me a girl? | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | fregl: can you help him find out what he wants :P | 12:13 |
| * apachelogger is busy fighting tasksel | 12:13 | |
| apachelogger | d-ipkgsel/includestring fluffy-desktop | 12:17 |
| apachelogger | that should do it for now ... | 12:17 |
| * apachelogger rebuilds image the 7th time today | 12:17 | |
| === keffie_jayx_ is now known as keffie_jayx | ||
| jussi | !fluffy | 12:39 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about fluffy | 12:39 |
| jussi | apachelogger: have you a fluffy homepage yet? | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | not yet :( | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | fregl: ^ we should do something about that | 12:40 |
| fregl | eean faild us homepage wise, didn't he? | 12:41 |
| jussi | apachelogger: as soon as you get a homepage Ill add one for you. just let me know what it is. | 12:41 |
| fregl | :( | 12:41 |
| jussi | if its just server space you need, see tsimpson about something on jussi01.com | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | fregl: pretty much | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | oh | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | see | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | fregl: the nice ubuntu family already welcomes us :D | 12:42 |
| fregl | jussi: that is amazing *hug* | 12:43 |
| jussi | :) | 12:43 |
| jussi | apachelogger: although, where do you have kubotu running? | 12:43 |
| jussi | is it on jussi01.com? | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | I think so | 12:43 |
| * apachelogger is confused with the hostnames | 12:43 | |
| fregl | ok, maybe we should take up that offer, the question is what to put there... my design skillz are so amazing that we really should find someone else to do a homepage | 12:44 |
| jussi | we can link something into your homedir then. | 12:44 |
| jussi | fregl: just make a nice wordpress theme :P | 12:44 |
| apachelogger | oh, silly old wordpress | 12:44 |
| fregl | but wordpress is a good starting point | 12:44 |
| fregl | we can have a fluffy distor blog right away then | 12:44 |
| * apachelogger is wondering if he broke the install again :/ | 12:44 | |
| apachelogger | well | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | the thing is | 12:45 |
| jussi | or just tell us what you want, django, joomla, drupal etc | 12:45 |
| neversfelde | http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/tags/pink | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | if it is in my home I need to maintain it :P | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:46 |
| jussi | apachelogger: if its wordpress it doesnt need to be | 12:46 |
| jussi | ;) | 12:46 |
| jussi | all web done ;) | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | debian-installer apparently does not like not having a tasksel defined :/ | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | jussi: then we shall use wordpress ^^ | 12:46 |
| jussi | :) | 12:46 |
| jussi | right, Ill get tsimpson to add another instance and give you the keys whne its done | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | awesome | 12:47 |
| * apachelogger hugs jussi | 12:47 | |
| jussi | oh, and this could be modified :P http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/kitten-in-pink | 12:47 |
| * jussi hugs apachelogger | 12:47 | |
| neversfelde | hello kitty is also pink :) | 12:48 |
| neversfelde | http://www.savingadvice.com/images/blog/hello-kitty-wordpress.png | 12:48 |
| apachelogger | NO HELLO KITTY! | 12:48 |
| apachelogger | leinir told me all about its evilness! | 12:49 |
| apachelogger | I do not want to have anything to do with that | 12:49 |
| neversfelde | mhh :) | 12:49 |
| jussi | lol | 12:49 |
| neversfelde | I know nothing more about hello kitty than it is pink | 12:49 |
| jussi | neversfelde: good, keep it that way! | 12:49 |
| * neversfelde has two sisters using a hello kitty windows theme | 12:50 | |
| jussi | windows has themes? o.O other than the standard 2? o.O | 12:51 |
| Tm_T | jussi: yes, 3rd party, which might break a lot of stuff | 12:52 |
| apachelogger | arrsome | 12:52 |
| apachelogger | OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! | 12:52 |
| apachelogger | it is installing Qt :'( | 12:52 |
| apachelogger | OMG!!!!! | 12:52 |
| apachelogger | this is so awesome | 12:52 |
| === apachelogger is now known as pinkrobotking | ||
| pinkrobotking | <3 | 12:52 |
| jussi | lol | 12:53 |
| jussi | anyone remember what the mario clone game was? | 12:55 |
| Tm_T | jussi: you mean supertux? (supermario tuxified) | 12:56 |
| jussi | maybe... /me installs to see | 12:56 |
| Tm_T | atleast that one is pretty straight clone, just different theme and a bit different physics | 12:58 |
| * pinkrobotking just thought of the ubuntu mario ^^ | 12:59 | |
| pinkrobotking | hm | 13:12 |
| pinkrobotking | there is still something wrong :( | 13:12 |
| === pinkrobotking is now known as apachelogger | ||
| apachelogger | seems plasma is a bit broken in my packaging | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | coloring is fine though | 13:41 |
| apachelogger | fregl: maybe it was luck, but I think I just did the first successfull installation \o/ | 13:42 |
| jussi | \o/ | 13:42 |
| === EagleScreen is now known as Guest84522 | ||
| Tonio_ | jkjhjhjklkjhjhjhjkl | 14:50 |
| Tonio_ | oups, sory, testing keyboard mapping :) | 14:50 |
| amichair | what are the actual ppa links for those mentioned in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuPPAs? | 14:52 |
| tsimpson | amichair: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa#ppas | 15:32 |
| amichair | tsimpson: thanks | 15:33 |
| flupke | hi, why isn't the QtMultimedia module packaged in python-qt4 ? | 16:28 |
| flupke | looks like it was forgotten in the install rule, where should I report this ? (the bug is the same on debian squeeze) | 16:38 |
| flupke | ubuntu launchpad ? or maybe I should report to debian (I think the ubuntu packages are taken from there ?) ? or maybe both ? :) | 16:41 |
| ScottK | flupke: It would be best to report it to both. | 16:45 |
| flupke | ScottK, ok (thanks again :) ) | 16:46 |
| flupke | I'm verifying my patch works and will post it soon | 16:46 |
| flupke | here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/+bug/590140 | 17:05 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 590140 in python-qt4 (Ubuntu) "QtMultimedia module missing from python-qt4" [Undecided,New] | 17:05 |
| flupke | tested on my box and works fine | 17:05 |
| debfx | IIRC qtmultimedia will be removed in qt 4.7 final | 17:05 |
| debfx | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/05/06/qt-47-scope-change-regarding-qt-multimedia/ | 17:06 |
| ScottK | flupke: ^^^ that perhaps changes things. | 17:07 |
| flupke | well ATM there is functionnality that's only present in qtmultimedia (recording) | 17:08 |
| Tm_T | I wonder why Phonon cannot be used though... oh well | 17:09 |
| ScottK | flupke: If there's multimedia stuff missing from the bindings for Qt 4.6, I think that's a great bug for Debian (they won't focus on 4.7 or later until after Squeeze releases), but it seems for 4.7 here we perhaps ought to wait a bit and see. | 17:11 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna or apachelogger: kamoso needs a rebuild to drop the old kdebase-workspace-libs4+5 depends. It also FTBFS with the current pkg-kde-tools. Would one of you please fix it up? | 17:12 |
| shadeslayer | lex79: um.. is 4.4.85 in ktown? | 17:20 |
| lex79 | I don't think so | 17:21 |
| flupke | ScottK, well that's not a big fix, just adding a lib in the installed files list :) | 17:22 |
| flupke | ScottK, and 10.04 is here for long | 17:22 |
| ScottK | flupke: I think it's worth considering for us for 10.04 first. | 17:22 |
| ScottK | first/also | 17:22 |
| shadeslayer | lex79: then why was the wiki page to packaging 4.4.85? | 17:23 |
| ScottK | It's a bit tricky since generally such bugs should be fixed in the development release first and it's not clearly appropriate here. | 17:23 |
| ScottK | flupke: If Debian picks up the change for 4.6, I'll figure out how to push it here too. | 17:23 |
| lex79 | shadeslayer: I just prepared the page, doesn't mean nothing :) | 17:24 |
| shadeslayer | ah ok :D | 17:24 |
| shadeslayer | lex79: btw are you in the kubuntu council as well? | 17:25 |
| Tm_T | shadeslayer: considering we are at 4.4.82 currently | 17:25 |
| lex79 | shadeslayer: no | 17:25 |
| shadeslayer | lex79: ah ok :) | 17:26 |
| shadeslayer | Tm_T: yes i saw that :) | 17:26 |
| lex79 | :) | 17:26 |
| flupke | ScottK, ok thanks, got to go, I'll post the bug to debian tomorrow | 17:32 |
| ScottK | Thanks. Let me know how it works out. | 17:32 |
| === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ | ||
| amichair | ScottK: just noticed the added ppas in the wiki page... many thanks! | 17:52 |
| ScottK | amichair: Was that what you wanted? | 17:52 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| amichair | ScottK: much more :-) | 17:53 |
| ScottK | Great. | 17:53 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Is kubuntu-dev-tools still useful? I notice it didn't change at all in the last cycle? | 18:40 |
| ScottK | Would someone please have a listen to http://www.nixnews.tk/kubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-netbook-remix-first-look and let me know if the reviewer liked it? I'm pretty sure it's in German. | 18:52 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: if only I knew | 19:02 |
| debfx | I just noticed you have to explicitly pass --buildsystem=kde when overriding dh_auto_* | 19:07 |
| debfx | this can be a problem as debian doesn't do anything in dh_auto_{install,clean} so they won't notice when it's missing | 19:07 |
| * apachelogger needs to get wasted so he can come up with good code designs | 19:13 | |
| apachelogger | Nightrose, fregl, ScottK: if you need something creative from me, tonight is your chance | 19:13 |
| Nightrose | hmmmm | 19:13 |
| * Nightrose ponders | 19:13 | |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: can you write a chapter of my paper? | 19:14 |
| Nightrose | the one about splines? | 19:14 |
| * apachelogger is not much into splines unfortunately | 19:14 | |
| Nightrose | :/ | 19:14 |
| apachelogger | but if it just needs to be blah blah, then I suppose I can do that ^^ | 19:14 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | that said, I still need to write stuff for my knowledge management assignment | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | oh my | 19:15 |
| Nightrose | should be a bit more than that unfortunately | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | cant help then, sorry :( | 19:15 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: what do you need? | 19:15 |
| Nightrose | you could use my workwork's awesome wiki :D | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | I did :P | 19:15 |
| Nightrose | \o/ | 19:15 |
| Nightrose | :* | 19:15 |
| * apachelogger doesnt even know what is up this week | 19:15 | |
| apachelogger | we are drifting towards madness I am afraid | 19:16 |
| apachelogger | see, we have these scenario companies that each group has to add knowledge management stuff to | 19:16 |
| apachelogger | almost every week another area of knowledge management | 19:16 |
| apachelogger | suffice to say our companies are basically knowledge factories already | 19:17 |
| apachelogger | the amount of explicit knowledge scares me already ^^ | 19:17 |
| Nightrose | hehe | 19:17 |
| === effie_jayx_ is now known as keffie_jayx | ||
| ScottK | Thus it needs management. | 19:43 |
| === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ | ||
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: On it. Though I think I recall seeing it have a gcc 4.5 FTBFS in the rebuild logs last cycle... | 21:17 |
| JontheEchidna | We'll see what happens | 21:17 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 21:17 |
| ScottK | It at least needs update for the new pkg-kde-tools. Then I guess we'll see. | 21:18 |
| ulysses | hello guys, I've just upgraded to Maverick, it is awesome. | 21:18 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: hum. No pkg-kde-tools build-dep. Must've been using an ancient kde.mk file from cdbs | 21:19 |
| ScottK | Ouch. | 21:20 |
| ScottK | txwikinger: ichthux-desktop still depends on kwin. Would you please change it to kde-window-manager. | 21:36 |
| ScottK | (kwin is an obsolete transitional package in Maverick) | 21:36 |
| txwikinger | ScottK: right... I will put that on my list | 21:37 |
| ScottK | txwikinger: Similar issue with ichthux-docs and khelpcenter | 21:37 |
| txwikinger | I have to do several things for ichthux | 21:37 |
| ScottK | IIRC it should be khelpcenter4 | 21:37 |
| ScottK | OK. | 21:37 |
| txwikinger | ok | 21:37 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: fixed kamoso uploaded | 21:50 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Thanks. | 21:50 |
| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 21:53 |
| _Groo_ | who did the amarok 2.3.1 build in kubuntu ppa? i have a question | 21:53 |
| CIA-91 | [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134949 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (workerdbus.cpp workerdbus.h) SVN_SILENT: svn add | 21:54 |
| _Groo_ | im building amarok from git but the upcming events and such that are dependent of liblastfm isnt building (lucid) and i do have the dev files installed.. | 21:55 |
| _Groo_ | anything im missing? | 21:55 |
| ScottK | _Groo_: It looks like Riddell uploaded it, but he's offline this weekend. | 21:55 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: ok scott, tks | 21:56 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: can you help me? im using debuild as usual to build stuff but after the inicial build (sucessfull) if i try to rebuild i get this error | 21:59 |
| ScottK | I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I can take a quick look. What error? | 21:59 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: http://pastebin.com/Rv0vQYt7 | 22:01 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: sorry kde was giving em a hard time pasting it lol | 22:01 |
| _Groo_ | i know its a generic error but i dont know what could be polluting it, i removed debhelper files, obj-, doint know what is going on | 22:03 |
| ScottK | Not sure. | 22:03 |
| ScottK | I'd start with a clean package and try again. | 22:03 |
| * ScottK needs to run. | 22:03 | |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: k, tks.. yeah it works, but after the first compile i always get this | 22:05 |
| _Groo_ | and its amarol, so its huge to regit :P | 22:05 |
| _Groo_ | amarok | 22:05 |
| apachelogger | well | 22:07 |
| apachelogger | use bangarang then :P | 22:07 |
| * apachelogger does not have a clue about the context here though :P | 22:07 | |
| _Groo_ | apachelogger: i found it, nvm | 22:23 |
| lex79 | JontheEchidna: when you have time there are still some packages in my ppa that need upload | 22:28 |
| lex79 | thanks :) | 22:28 |
| debfx | and digikam merge in bzr :D | 22:29 |
| lex79 | oh | 22:30 |
| lex79 | and ktorrent :D | 22:30 |
| CIA-91 | [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134952 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (CMakeLists.txt worker/worker.h) Build fix(es). No clue how this built before | 22:30 |
| JontheEchidna | now that I fixed the build I'll get on that :) | 22:30 |
| lex79 | :) | 22:31 |
| JontheEchidna | lex79: http://paste.ubuntu.com/445296/ | 22:32 |
| lex79 | lol | 22:33 |
| lex79 | uhm | 22:33 |
| JontheEchidna | huh | 22:33 |
| JontheEchidna | redownloaded and it worked | 22:33 |
| JontheEchidna | must have been corrupted during download | 22:34 |
| lex79 | good | 22:34 |
| apachelogger | o/ | 22:38 |
| apachelogger | \o | 22:38 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 22:38 |
| apachelogger | yo yo | 22:38 |
| * apachelogger is beyond ballmer's peak now | 22:38 | |
| apachelogger | :D | 22:38 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan|Szel: where's your ktorrent merge again? | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: btw, from a quick look at the backend it seems like you got the connection logic inverted | 22:46 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: oh? | 22:46 |
| apachelogger | like downloadMessage(int, const QString&) | 22:46 |
| apachelogger | that should be emitted by the backend | 22:47 |
| apachelogger | connected to a slot in worker | 22:47 |
| apachelogger | unless I get the function of this thingy wrong | 22:47 |
| JontheEchidna | the worker sends that over dbus to the backend over dbus, which emits the signal to our apps | 22:47 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, I said over dbus twice there... | 22:47 |
| JontheEchidna | basically we're re-emitting the signal we receive over dbus | 22:48 |
| apachelogger | that souds wrong if you ask me | 22:48 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: the app access the backend? | 22:48 |
| JontheEchidna | yes | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | then this seems wrong | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | app -> worker -> backend | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | you have app -> backend -> worker | 22:49 |
| JontheEchidna | the worker only does root stuff | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: the then app needs both | 22:50 |
| apachelogger | imagine an app that does only display stuff | 22:50 |
| apachelogger | it would not require the worker at all, would it? | 22:50 |
| JontheEchidna | that is correct | 22:50 |
| apachelogger | so why should the backend enforce the worker startup? | 22:50 |
| JontheEchidna | it doesn't | 22:50 |
| JontheEchidna | the worker will only start when sent a signal over dbus | 22:50 |
| apachelogger | how so? | 22:50 |
| apachelogger | that seems overly dirty | 22:51 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: you are trying to do convenience at the cost of library sanity if you ask me :/ | 22:51 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: well, this all leads back to the question why the worker implements so much logic :P | 22:56 |
| apachelogger | all of the signals you get from the worker seem like stuff that should be in the lib to begin with | 22:56 |
| JontheEchidna | because what the worker does needs authorization to run | 22:58 |
| JontheEchidna | running only the stuff that needs root to work has obvious security benefits | 22:58 |
| JontheEchidna | running the whole GUI as root led to issues in adept's case, too: bug 290695 | 23:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 290695 in adept (Ubuntu Jaunty) "Adept allows editing filenames in Details view" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290695 | 23:00 |
| apachelogger | that is not what I implied | 23:01 |
| JontheEchidna | bad programming aside, it's best to run as little as root as you can get away with | 23:01 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: why is the worker dbus btw? | 23:07 |
| JontheEchidna | required for policykit | 23:07 |
| JontheEchidna | unless there's an alternate form of between-process communication I don't know about... | 23:08 |
| apachelogger | hm | 23:08 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: worker talks to policykitd getting auth and then does its magic? | 23:08 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: yeah | 23:09 |
| JontheEchidna | but since we have to do it inside worker, it can't talk to the backend normally, so we have to use dbus | 23:09 |
| JontheEchidna | to notify of progress, warnings, errors, questions, and such | 23:09 |
| apachelogger | hm | 23:09 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: worker talking to authorizedbackend, authorizedbackend being instancified by backend | 23:10 |
| apachelogger | app -> backend -> authbackend -> worker | 23:10 |
| apachelogger | sort of 2 way each -> actually ... <-> | 23:10 |
| JontheEchidna | which process is authorized backend? | 23:12 |
| JontheEchidna | which process is authorized backend in? | 23:12 |
| apachelogger | hm | 23:13 |
| apachelogger | good question | 23:13 |
| JontheEchidna | any policykit worker is run entirely as root, and relies on polkitd to see if it really should do $action | 23:15 |
| JontheEchidna | so e.g. if you had an app that does "touch /etc/fluffy", but you didn't want the gui to run as root, you could create a worker that has a function to touch /etc/fluffy | 23:16 |
| JontheEchidna | if you don't want the worker to be an all-the-time daemon, you'd give it a dbus service xml file that tells dbus to start /usr/bin/fluffytoucher | 23:17 |
| JontheEchidna | whenever a org.fluffy.toucher method is called | 23:17 |
| JontheEchidna | fluffytoucher, which runs as root, asks polkitd to see if it really should touch /etc/fluffy, and polkitd asks polkit-kde to pop up a dialog for auth | 23:18 |
| JontheEchidna | if auth comes back good, it touches. If bad, it returns from the touchFluffy() function without doing anything | 23:18 |
| apachelogger | hm | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | policykit sounds like one bloody work around | 23:19 |
| JontheEchidna | and would probably send a boolean signal back over the bus depending on success | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | instead of fixing posix they work around its limitations -.- | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: why does fluffytoucher run as root to being with? | 23:20 |
| apachelogger | where is this defined? | 23:20 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: presumably, $user doesn't have write access to /etc | 23:20 |
| JontheEchidna | the root-havingness is definied in the dbus service xml file | 23:21 |
| JontheEchidna | this is qaptworker's http://pastebin.com/zBS8M4Rt | 23:21 |
| JontheEchidna | (src/worker/org.kubuntu.qaptworker.service.in) | 23:21 |
| JontheEchidna | and this conf file ensures that only polkitd running as root can start it: http://pastebin.com/tBfQBCDx | 23:22 |
| JontheEchidna | brb, pizza | 23:22 |
| apachelogger | I recon dbus is using like a libloader here | 23:23 |
| * apachelogger either misses a piece to understand this propery or policykit is the greatest workaround in the history of linux | 23:23 | |
| apachelogger | s/using/used | 23:23 |
| * JontheEchidna back | 23:29 | |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, though sudo is sort of working around posix deficiencies as well | 23:29 |
| JontheEchidna | it's just a well established workaround ;) | 23:29 |
| apachelogger | well | 23:31 |
| apachelogger | sudo carries out posix | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | policykit actually works aroudn it | 23:32 |
| JontheEchidna | http://kdeatopensuse.wordpress.com/2010/06/05/week-22-kde-at-opensuse/ <- we should really be doing a similar blog about kubuntu dev activities | 23:33 |
| ScottK | Sure. | 23:33 |
| ScottK | Of course that one includes the standard opensuse strategy of just disabling things with problems rather than fixing them. | 23:34 |
| JontheEchidna | heh | 23:34 |
| siegie | ScottK: About that video link you posted earlier. It is in german. He tested a alpha version off the netbook remix in march and was verry impressed "wunderschön"= wonderfull beautiful, he named no disadvantage or wat so ever. | 23:46 |
| ScottK | siegie: Thank you. | 23:47 |
| ScottK | From his tone, it sounded good, but I had no idea. | 23:47 |
| === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ | ||
| siegie | ScottK: np, my german is beter than my English :) | 23:52 |
| CIA-91 | [libqapt] jmthomas * 1134972 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (globals.h package.h) Move the UpdateImportance enum to globals.h, where it belongs. I'll commit a PackageState move next, after I port things for the API change | 23:56 |
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