[01:14] <bryceh> rickspencer3, btw Monday is looking like it will be "X upgrade day"
[01:14] <rickspencer3> bryceh, tell me more
[01:14] <bryceh> rickspencer3, Sarvatt is going to prepare debdiffs this weekend, and I've offered to help sponsor uploads
[01:14] <rickspencer3> ah
[01:14] <rickspencer3> weird
[01:14] <bryceh> what'll happen is this
[01:14] <bryceh> xserver will update (it's already in git and ready to go now)
[01:14] <rickspencer3> I am just starting to upgrade to Maverick at this very moment
[01:15] <bryceh> all drivers will break, since there's a new ABI
[01:15] <rickspencer3> sounds great!
[01:15] <Sarvatt> it's been brewing in git for 3 weeks now but we haven't had anyone to upload :)
[01:15] <bryceh> then we'll update drivers as quick as a lark
[01:15] <bryceh> and then things will be unbroke
[01:15] <rickspencer3> what's not to love about "all drivers will break" ;)
[01:15] <Sarvatt> the large majority of the drivers are already synced and in depwait
[01:15] <bryceh> but we may want to put out a warning that for a day or two things might be sketchy
[01:15] <rickspencer3> so some poor suckers will update in the minutes between new xorg-xserver, and new drivers
[01:16] <Sarvatt> but there will be a chunk of time where if people try to upgrade it'll try to remove packages, and we all know people will just do it :)
[01:16] <rickspencer3> right
[01:16] <rickspencer3> you can say "don't do the upgrade if it says it's goingt o remove things you don't know about"
[01:16] <rickspencer3> but some people will do it anyway :_
[01:17] <bryceh> also, this marks the point in the release cycle when the proprietary drivers stop working.  I don't know that anyone is running meerkat with proprietary drivers currently, but if they are they'll have to switch to the foss drivers in the interim until NVIDIA and ATI give us new drivers
[01:17] <rickspencer3> ah
[01:17] <rickspencer3> I think perhaps 24 hours notice would be nice
[01:17] <Sarvatt> nvidia works fine, they just need to be rebuilt. I think they should stop providing an ABI because they work with multiple ABI's fine and its just the package manager thinking its broken
[01:17] <rickspencer3> since RAOF is on the weekend, maybe someone could send out a quick heads up to @ubuntu-devel?
[01:17] <Sarvatt> fglrx doesn't work outside of x-updates anyhow :)
[01:18] <bryceh> ok - Sarvatt you want to do that or shall I?
[01:18] <Sarvatt> one thing people can do is use xorg-edgers in the interim, i have every package in there
[01:18] <rickspencer3> so, fun day Monday
[01:18] <rickspencer3> xorg-xserver update AND rolling out updated Mozilla to Hardy and Jaunty
[01:18] <rickspencer3> weeeeee!
[01:19] <Sarvatt> this is xserver transition 1 of 2 for this cycle too probably :) 1.9 branches off in a few days for an august release and thats what was being targetted I believe, that brings about a whole nother set of breaking the world :)
[01:20] <bryceh> rickspencer3, Sarvatt and RAOF have the status of merges/syncs needed documented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/PackageNotes
[01:20] <Sarvatt> i merged everything I could in debian and got them uploaded there and filed sync requests since I can't upload to ubuntu
[01:23] <rickspencer3> wow
[01:23] <rickspencer3> looks like a lot of work
[01:25] <rickspencer3> gonna reboot before I upgrade, brb
[01:27] <bryceh> Sarvatt, shall I send an email about this to ubuntu-devel@ ?  Fine with me if you'd prefer doing it.  Or maybe we can let RAOF do it when he comes online.
[01:32] <rickspencer3> 574MB to download, so almost a whole new system
[01:32] <bryceh> rickspencer3, ok Sarvatt and I decided it'd be best if the email came from RAOF
[01:32] <rickspencer3> sounds good
[01:32] <rickspencer3> if he does it in his morning it will be plenty of time for most people
[01:32] <bryceh> right
[01:32] <bryceh> so I'll shoot him an email and let him know to do it
[01:32] <rickspencer3> and really, all he's saying is "don't dist-upgrade for a bit"
[01:32] <bryceh> yup
[01:33] <rickspencer3> so TIL why my PPA shows up in the left hand channel of software-center, but other PPAs don't
[01:33] <rickspencer3> I wish tremulux was around
[01:34] <rickspencer3> East Coast people not working on Friday night at 8:34pm
[01:34] <rickspencer3> what's the matter with them?
[01:34] <rickspencer3> oh
[01:34] <rickspencer3> wait, I was wrong
[01:34] <rickspencer3> never mind :/
[01:49]  * ccheney is hoping to get OOo 3.2.1~rc2 uploaded tonight also
[01:50] <bryceh> rickspencer3, guess what... the xserver in lucid puts my email address in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:50] <ccheney> lol
[01:50] <rickspencer3> ?
[01:50] <bryceh> yeah, guess it was a "feature" debian added
[01:51] <rickspencer3> xorg-server 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7 (Bryce Harrington <bryce@ubuntu.com>)
[01:51] <bryceh> anyway, now I'm getting all manner of random end user emails wanting help with basic stuff
[01:51] <rickspencer3> bryceh, can you can come up to Seattle and help me set up my dual monitor?
[01:51] <bryceh> "how do I file a bug report?"
[01:51] <rickspencer3> hehe
[01:51] <ccheney> probably a feature because users for some reason supposedly complain to debian about ubuntu bugs
[01:52] <bryceh> one guy gave me his whole story of how his wife was in a bad car accident, and on life support
[01:52] <bryceh> and now ubuntu won't boot, and he can't figure out how to get help
[01:52] <bryceh> and what a bad week he's had
[01:53] <rickspencer3> ouch
[01:53] <bryceh> rickspencer3, anyway, I've filed an SRU to fix this, and have Xorg.0.log point at the standard http://ubuntu.com/support page
[01:54] <rickspencer3> good idea
[01:55] <bryceh> oh hey, in launchpad news...
[01:56] <bryceh> you know how when you have bug A with 42 dupes, and you realize it's a dupe with bug B with 24 dupes, you have to manually re-dupe all the 24 dupes?
[01:56] <ccheney> fun stuff
[01:56] <micahg> or use lp-set-dup
[01:56] <bryceh> deryck figured out how to fix that.  next week on edge probably it'll take care of automatically moving all the dupes for you
[01:56] <ccheney> yipee!
[02:14]  * ccheney is doing an alpha 1 install and noticed on vmware it goes to 800% complete on setting the clock
[02:15] <rickspencer3> hey tremolux
[02:15] <rickspencer3> isn't it FRiday night there?
[02:16] <tremolux> rickspencer3: isn't it Friday night *there*?
[02:17] <rickspencer3> nah
[02:17] <tremolux> rickspencer3: :D
[02:17] <rickspencer3> only 6:17
[02:17] <tremolux> ah
[02:17] <rickspencer3> and I'm about to leave to go to a buddy's b-day party
[02:17] <tremolux> nice!
[02:17] <rickspencer3> just waiting for the wife to get back with the car
[02:17] <tremolux> enjoy
[02:18] <tremolux> we just got back from dinner, our 14th (!!) wedding anniversary
[02:18] <rickspencer3> wow
[02:18] <rickspencer3> congrats
[02:18] <rickspencer3> errr
[02:18] <tremolux> gonna watch a movie with the kids
[02:18] <tremolux> thanks  :)
[02:18] <rickspencer3> I was gonna say ... don't you have more duties to attend to ;)
[02:18] <tremolux> haha
[02:19] <tremolux> yeah
[02:19] <rickspencer3> bryceh, thanks for the note for RAOF
[02:19] <rickspencer3> good to help navigate through the first release
[02:29] <bryceh> yep
[02:38] <bryceh> rickspencer3, hey btw you know how you always complain about how sucky the launchpad API docs are?
[02:39] <bryceh> if there are particular issues you have with it, let me know.  I'm collecting such data with the goal of getting the docs fixed up.
[02:40] <bryceh> (diffs against the generated .html file would be great, but I'll take any input)
[02:43] <LaserJock> does anybody know if the old gnome-games were kept in the archive at all?
[03:08] <nigelb> bryceh: we all do it, I think you've got my latest rants fixed up :)
[03:15] <bryceh> nigelb, great
[09:05] <didrocks> asac: there are some (data/handlers) classified by hardware type
[09:18] <didrocks> bryceh: sweet for the dupe thing. This annoyed me so much!
[09:19] <bryceh> :-)
[09:19] <didrocks> bryceh: still awake? :-)
[09:19] <bryceh> sure, it's only 1am
[09:19] <didrocks> hum, on Friday evening… that's ok ;)
[09:24] <bryceh> not like I'm working or anything ;-)
[09:24] <bryceh> didrocks, how are things with you?
[09:25] <didrocks> bryceh: I'm fine, thanks :-) very busy. Hope to be able to push the whole unity thing in maverick next Monday
[09:25] <didrocks> then a lot of MIR and netbook seed playing :-)
[09:25] <didrocks> but otherwise good, thanks
[09:26] <didrocks> and you? Diving into LP isn't so hard?
[09:26] <bryceh> I'm finding the code is not too hard
[09:26] <bryceh> the difficulty lies in crafting good tests though
[09:27] <didrocks> sure, is it the same than for the API/fundation built, that is to say doctests?
[09:27] <bryceh> literally, I spend 10 hours of writing tests for every 1 hour coding a fix to a problem
[09:27] <bryceh> mostly doctests yes, some unit tests too
[09:27] <bryceh> they're trying to move away from doctests, although most of the codebase is still covered by doctests currently
[09:28] <didrocks> well, at least, you ensure not having regression, even if you spend 10 more time to get a test working
[09:29] <didrocks> on which field of Launchpad are you working, btw?
[09:29] <didrocks> bugs (as it seems you change the dup thing) :)
[09:29] <bryceh> yes, bugs
[09:29] <didrocks> that can be fun
[09:29] <bryceh> I didn't change the dupe thing, that was deryck, I just was impressed to hear about it
[09:30] <bryceh> so far just been fixing random trivial bugs throughout the codebase
[09:32] <didrocks> oh ok, that's good for learning it in any case. You think you will have the time to work on some features, then? :-)
[09:35] <bryceh> not this month, but I hope to work some on a feature for simplifying the upstreaming of bug reports
[09:36] <bryceh> launchpad only plans work one month in advance; this month my duty will be just general bug fixing
[14:30] <Laney> didrocks: broken how? I rebuilt it for Lucid and it works
[14:30] <Laney> I'll set up a VM later unless you have a fix
[17:02] <Sarvatt> anyone know whats going on here? http://people.freedesktop.org/~ickle/Screenshot.png
[17:02] <Sarvatt> (netbook-launcher related)
[17:07] <Sarvatt> looks like it thinks the window on the second screen is unmaximized on the first and its showing it underneath the faded out netbook-launcher?
[17:22] <Sarvatt> http://people.freedesktop.org/~ickle/Screenshot-1.png
[17:22] <Sarvatt> thats strange
[17:35] <fagan> Sarvatt: ask during the week sometime
[17:35] <fagan> Sarvatt: poke didrocks about it
[17:37] <fagan> Sarvatt: it more than likely wont be a problem in 10.10 because that launcher is getting a revamp
[17:37] <Sarvatt> yeah was just asking incase someone was around :) turns out that persons on a netbook so its an -efl problem, trying to dig through bugs
[17:47] <fagan> Sarvatt: probably not
[17:48] <fagan> -efl is for ARM netbooks in 2d
[17:48] <fagan> the regular netbook edition looks similar but has some effects built in
[17:49] <Sarvatt> he's on efl because his gpu has a maximum texture size of 2048x2048
[17:52] <fagan> Sarvatt: get him to log out and say what session is loading if it has -2d beside it its -efl if its just netbook edition then its not
[20:23] <didrocks> Laney: crash at start
[20:23] <didrocks> Laney: don't have the time to have a deeper look this week TBH :)
[20:24] <didrocks> Sarvatt: netbook-launcher doesn't support multiscreen. There are already bugs about it
[21:24] <LaserJock> hi didrocks