[00:59] <shrini> godbyk: hai
[00:59] <shrini> so far any luck with tamil fonts?
[00:59] <godbyk> Hey, shrini
[00:59] <godbyk> A bit, yeah.
[00:59] <shrini> wow
[00:59] <godbyk> But now it's finding some errors in the translations.
[00:59] <shrini> oh
[01:00] <godbyk> Let me upload the PDF and log file for you.
[01:00] <shrini> sure
[01:01] <godbyk> shrini: You can see the PDF here: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual-ta.pdf
[01:01] <godbyk> shrini: And the log file (that shows error messages) here: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual-ta.log
[01:03] <shrini> please send me the po file
[01:03] <shrini> then, we need to change the font
[01:03] <shrini> font is not correct
[01:03] <godbyk> shrini: I'm just using the po file that's in bzr.
[01:03] <godbyk> I can change the font if you like.
[01:03] <shrini> letters are being splitted
[01:04] <godbyk> shrini: I may not have all the settings right yet.
[01:04] <shrini> oh
[01:04] <shrini> okey
[01:05] <shrini> the heading are still in boxes
[01:05] <shrini> :-)
[01:05] <godbyk> Yeah, I haven't fixed the heading fonts yet. Just the main font.
[01:06] <godbyk> And it's only halfway there. :)
[01:06] <godbyk> Also, you might take a look at the translator's chapter in the style guide: http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf
[01:06] <godbyk> It looks like you've translated some of the \label{} commands and it doesn't like that.
[01:07] <godbyk> \label, \chaplink, and \seclink should be left untranslated.
[01:09] <shrini> hmmm
[01:11] <shrini> is there any way to find mising }
[01:12] <godbyk> Just a moment and I'll help you track it down.
[01:12] <shrini> okey
[01:15] <godbyk> What font did you recommend we should use?  (It'll have to be an open font that's freely available.)
[01:21] <shrini> what is the current font you used?
[01:21] <shrini> godbyk: ?
[01:23] <godbyk> shrini: The current font is TSCu_Paranar.
[01:23] <shrini> oh
[01:23] <shrini> can you try lohit tamil?
[01:25] <godbyk> Let me see if I have that one.
[01:26] <shrini> ok
[01:27] <godbyk> I have that one. Let me set it up.
[01:27] <shrini> godbyk: wow
[01:27] <shrini> thats great
[01:28] <godbyk> shrini: You can download the pdf from the same link as before.
[01:28] <godbyk> (It still fails to compile, but you can see a bit of the new font.)
[01:28] <shrini> godbyk: ok
[01:29] <shrini> this font is awesome
[01:29] <shrini> godbyk: great font
[01:29] <shrini> but the works are being splitted often
[01:29] <shrini> how to avoid that?
[01:29] <shrini> we do not use justify
[01:30] <godbyk> The text isn't being justified.
[01:30] <shrini> words should not be splitted
[01:30] <godbyk> I don't know yet. I've told it that the text is Tamil, so the font should connect the letters appropriately.
[01:31] <shrini> :-)
[01:31] <shrini> ya
[01:31] <shrini> it should be like that only
[02:06] <shrini> ?
[02:11] <shrini> godbyk: you there?
[02:11] <shrini> troubling you much?
[02:11] <godbyk> I'm here.
[02:11] <shrini> godbyk: ok
[02:12] <shrini> godbyk: how can we find the mising }
[02:12] <godbyk> Well, we have to find it first.
[02:12] <godbyk> :)
[02:12] <shrini> yes
[02:12] <godbyk> It'll be someplace not far after page 8.
[02:12] <godbyk> If you can skim through the translations and make sure that each { has a matching }, you should find it fairly quickly.
[02:13] <godbyk> It looks like a \marginnote{ wasn't closed with }.
[02:13] <shrini> page 8 in LP?
[02:13] <godbyk> (On my end, the translations in Launchpad up as boxes, so I'm not much help there, I'm afraid.)
[02:13] <godbyk> page 8 in the PDF.
[02:13] <shrini> oh
[02:13] <shrini> ok
[02:14] <godbyk> basically, while latex was generating that pdf and started to work on the next page and got stuck.
[02:26] <godbyk> I'm going to take a break for a little bit. But I'll be back in a while.
[02:28] <shrini> godbyk: ok
[02:28] <shrini> bye
[03:26] <shrini> godbyk: how did ubuntujernkins found the mising } ?
[03:39] <godbyk> shrini: I don't know.
[03:39] <shrini> godbyk: i am getting it
[03:39] <shrini> fixing onebyone
[03:39] <shrini> :-)
[03:39] <shrini> what is the time now for you?
[03:39] <shrini> how long i can trouble you?
[03:39] <shrini> :-)
[03:40] <shrini> if possible teach me on how to set lohit tamil font myself
[03:44] <godbyk> shrini: You can try.  If you open the um-tamil.clo file, you'll see the lines like \newfontfamily\tamilfont. (Ignore the lines that start with %.)  Just change the font name at the end of that line.
[03:45] <shrini> godbyk: great
[03:46] <shrini> godbyk: that file is not available with me
[03:46] <shrini> other languages are there
[03:46] <godbyk> run 'bzr pull' to make sure you have the latest updates.
[03:47] <shrini> godbyk: ok
[03:47] <shrini> :-)
[03:48] <shrini> godbyk: got that file
[03:49] <shrini> godbyk: how to mention lohit tamil?
[03:49] <shrini> the real font name is lohit_ta.ttf
[03:50] <godbyk> give it the actual name of the font (not the file).
[03:50] <shrini> godbyk: with space?
[03:50] <shrini> as "lohit tamil"?
[03:50] <shrini> any caps?
[03:50] <godbyk> Just make it look exactly how it does in the font dialog or menu of OpenOffice, for instance.
[03:52] <shrini> ok
[03:53] <shrini> godbyk: fine
[03:53] <shrini> godbyk: got it
[03:53] <godbyk> 'kay.
[03:53] <shrini> pdf is good
[03:53] <shrini> but still there are boxes in many places
[03:53] <shrini> :-)
[03:54] <godbyk> yeah, I know.
[03:54] <shrini> :-)
[03:57] <shrini> godbyk: need help
[03:57] <shrini> power may go down here for 3 hrs
[03:57] <godbyk> 'kay.
[03:57] <shrini> I request you to fix the font issue asap
[03:57] <shrini> and mail me if i am not there in irc
[03:57] <shrini> have to finish the full pdf today
[03:57] <shrini> :-)
[03:58] <shrini> trying our best to bring the pdf for release party
[03:58] <godbyk> I'll work on the font stuff, but I can't make any promises.
[03:59] <shrini> :-)
[03:59] <godbyk> Does the Lohit Tamil font look okay for the body text or is it still messed up?
[03:59] <shrini> lohit tamil is perfect
[03:59] <godbyk> ok
[03:59] <shrini> but when we mix english with that, it shows only boxes
[04:00] <godbyk> Ah, right. That's because the Lohit Tamil font doesn't have the English letters in it.
[04:00] <godbyk> To work around that, you can add \textenglish{Ubuntu} to get it to use the English font.
[04:00] <godbyk> (Just wrap the English words in \textenglish{...})
[04:01] <shrini> lohit tamil has english with it
[04:01] <godbyk> Not that I see.
[04:01] <shrini> any fix?
[04:02] <godbyk> When I load Lohit Tamil into my font viewer and tell it to show me all the glyphs, I see the Tamil glyphs, the numbers, some punctuation, and that's it.
[04:02] <shrini> use in OO
[04:03] <godbyk> It must be using a fallback font.
[04:03] <shrini> oh
[04:07] <shrini> godbyk: anyother easy fix?
[04:07] <shrini> \textenglish{Ubuntu} adding this is a tedious job
[04:08] <shrini> )
[04:08] <shrini> :-)
[04:08] <godbyk> Yes, it is.
[04:08] <godbyk> The easier fix is to select a font that has both Tamil and English glyphs.
[04:09] <shrini> godbyk: okey
[04:09] <shrini> one good news
[04:10] <shrini> fixed the existing missing }
[04:10] <shrini> got the pdf without any error for 196 pages
[04:10] <shrini> still index are missing
[04:10] <shrini> not an issue for now
[04:10] <shrini> :-)
[04:10] <shrini> thanks a lot
[04:10] <shrini> now, only font issue is there
[04:10] <godbyk> great!
[04:10] <shrini> let me search for that
[04:10] <godbyk> yeah, the index and glossary are separate issues.
[04:11] <shrini> how to find wether a font has both english and tamil in it?
[04:12] <godbyk> well, you can just give it a try and see. :)
[04:12] <godbyk> or run 'otfinfo -s myfont.ttf'
[04:12] <godbyk> It needs to list Tamil and Latin
[04:14] <humphreybc> godbyk: so what's the story with translations anyway?
[04:16] <godbyk> What story?
[04:16] <humphreybc> when are we going to see em? :P
[04:17] <godbyk> We might see the Greek edition this week.
[04:17] <humphreybc> hooray for progress
[04:19] <shrini> humphreybc: trying to bring tamil pdf today for our ubuntu release party
[04:19] <shrini> stuck with font issue
[04:19] <shrini> godbyk is helping me a lot
[04:19] <shrini> he is really like god
[04:19] <shrini> :-)
[04:21] <shrini>  otfinfo -s lohit_ta.ttf
[04:21] <shrini> taml		Tamil
[04:21] <shrini> godbyk: lohit tamil has only one
[04:21] <shrini> :-(
[04:30] <shrini> godbyk: i am finding the font
[04:30] <shrini> please look on other font issues
[04:31] <godbyk> shrini: Which other font issues?
[04:31] <shrini> some heading are still in boxes
[04:31] <shrini> some marginnotes
[04:31] <shrini> etc
[04:33] <godbyk> shrini: Ah, once you find a font, I can fix that.
[04:33] <shrini> ok
[04:33] <shrini> testing with some fonts
[04:59] <shrini> godbyk: your current time?
[04:59] <godbyk> It's 23:00
[04:59] <shrini> OMG
[04:59] <shrini> sorry
[05:00] <shrini> troubling you much
[05:00] <godbyk> Not at all.
[05:00] <shrini> still finding a suitable font
[05:00] <godbyk> I'm a night owl.
[05:00] <shrini> :-)
[05:00] <godbyk> I'll be up for a while yet.
[05:00] <shrini> thanks
[05:03] <shrini> godbyk: please have the font "TSCu_Paranar" for now
[05:03] <shrini> and get the pdf
[05:03] <shrini> you can see boxes in headings and in some places
[05:03] <shrini> godbyk: please fix those
[05:06] <shrini> godbyk: can we use arial unicode ms ?
[05:06] <shrini> it is the font comes with MS Office
[05:06] <shrini> hehe
[05:08] <godbyk> We should stick with open fonts if we can. Otherwise, many people won't be able to compile the PDF.
[05:08] <shrini> :-)
[05:08] <shrini> true
[05:09] <shrini> the font "tscu paranar" is perfect in OO
[05:09] <shrini> but some splitted in pdf
[05:09] <shrini> godbyk: any idea?
[05:11] <godbyk> I've uploaded the PDF and LOG files again, so you can see that TSCu_Paranar looks like.
[05:12] <godbyk> I just downloaded a new copy of the translation from Launchpad.  Uploading a new PDF now.
[05:12] <godbyk> Okay, it's uploaded.
[05:16] <shrini> godbyk: wow
[05:16] <shrini> found the proper font
[05:16] <shrini> http://www.kamban.com.au/fonts/
[05:16] <shrini> akshar.ttf
[05:17] <shrini> it is listted here too http://www.wazu.jp/gallery/Fonts_Tamil.html
[05:18] <shrini> godbyk: please us this font and create pdf
[05:18] <shrini> check for other box issues
[05:19] <shrini> thanks a lot for bearing my troubles
[05:19] <shrini> :-)
[05:23] <godbyk> shrini: Uploaded.
[05:23] <shrini> godbyk: link?
[05:23] <shrini> lost the link
[05:24] <shrini> with which font?
[05:24] <godbyk> http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/
[05:24] <shrini> ok
[05:24] <godbyk> With Akshar Unicode.
[05:25] <shrini> wow
[05:25] <shrini> awesome
[05:25] <shrini> thanks a lot
[05:25] <shrini> let try making here
[05:26] <shrini> ur pdf version shows all fonts perfectly
[05:26] <shrini> my version shows some boxes
[05:26] <shrini> why?
[05:27] <godbyk> Because I have some newer versions of files that you don't.
[05:27] <godbyk> I've just committed those files to bzr.
[05:27] <godbyk> So run 'bzr pull' and recompile.
[05:27] <godbyk> There are will errors in the build.
[05:27] <shrini> okey
[05:28] <shrini> bzr pull gives 3 conflits
[05:28] <shrini> Using saved parent location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/
[05:28] <shrini>  M  gloss-tamil.ldf
[05:28] <shrini>  M  po/ta.po
[05:28] <shrini> RN  um-tamil.clo => um-tamil.clo.OTHER
[05:28] <shrini> Text conflict in po/ta.po
[05:28] <shrini> Contents conflict in um-tamil.clo
[05:28] <shrini> Conflict adding id to um-tamil.clo.OTHER.  Unversioned existing file um-tamil.clo.
[05:28] <shrini> 3 conflicts encountered.
[05:28] <shrini> Now on revision 868.
[05:29] <godbyk> run: bzr resolve po/ta.po
[05:29] <godbyk> then: bzr revert po/ta.po
[05:29] <godbyk> oh, and: bzr resolve um-tamil.co
[05:29] <godbyk> and: bzr revert um-tamil.po
[05:32] <shrini> no use
[05:32] <godbyk> run 'bzr status' and tell me what it says.
[05:32] <shrini> I moved the two files ta.po and um-tamil.clo
[05:32] <godbyk> delete the po/ta.po* and um-tamil.clo* files
[05:32] <godbyk> then run 'bzr revert po/ta.po um-tamil.clo'
[05:36] <shrini1> shrinivasan@shrinivasan-laptop:~/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1$ bzr status
[05:36] <shrini1> removed:
[05:36] <shrini1>   po/ta.po
[05:36] <shrini1>   um-tamil.clo
[05:36] <shrini1> unknown:
[05:36] <shrini1>   m/
[05:36] <shrini1>   screenshots/ta/
[05:36] <shrini1> conflicts:
[05:36] <shrini1>   Contents conflict in um-tamil.clo
[05:36] <shrini1>   Conflict adding id to um-tamil.clo.OTHER.  Unversioned existing file um-tamil.clo.
[05:38] <godbyk> type 'bzr resolve um-tamil.clo' then run 'bzr status' again. see if anything's changed.
[05:38] <shrini1> godbyk: power problem
[05:38] <shrini1> i moved the existing um-tamil.clo to another folder
[05:38] <shrini1> need to get updated from repo
[05:39] <shrini1> only that file and the po file
[05:39] <shrini1> how to pull those files?
[05:40] <shrini1> powercut here
[05:40] <shrini1> godbyk: working with ups
[05:40] <shrini1> very soon will go down
[05:40] <shrini1> :-(
[05:40] <godbyk> just run 'bzr revert um-tamil.po po/ta.po'
[05:41] <godbyk> and it should restore those files to match what's in bzr.
[05:41] <shrini1> oh
[05:41] <shrini1> grear
[05:42] <shrini1> bzr: ERROR: Path(s) are not versioned: um-tamil.po
[05:42] <godbyk> rm um-tamil.po*
[05:42] <godbyk> bzr pull
[05:42] <godbyk> then run 'bzr status' and tell me what it says.
[05:43] <shrini1> doing
[05:44] <shrini1> if disconnected, will rush to any friend home in 20-30 min
[05:44] <godbyk> heh. okay.
[05:45] <shrini1> removed:
[05:45] <shrini1>   po/ta.po
[05:45] <shrini1>   um-tamil.clo
[05:45] <shrini1> unknown:
[05:45] <shrini1>   m/
[05:45] <shrini1>   screenshots/ta/
[05:45] <shrini1> this is output of bzr status
[05:45] <shrini1> bzr pull says tat
[05:45] <shrini1> Using saved parent location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/
[05:45] <shrini1> No revisions to pull.
[05:46] <shrini1> messed anything?
[05:46] <shrini1> godbyk: ?
[05:46] <godbyk> type:
[05:46] <godbyk> bzr revert po/ta.po
[05:47] <godbyk> bzr revert um-tamil.clo
[05:47] <godbyk> then run 'bzr status' again.
[05:47] <shrini1> bzr revert po/ta.po
[05:47] <shrini1>  N  po/ta.po
[05:47] <shrini1> removed:
[05:47] <shrini1>   um-tamil.clo
[05:47] <shrini1> unknown:
[05:47] <shrini1>   m/
[05:47] <shrini1>   screenshots/ta/
[05:47] <godbyk> bzr revert um-tamil.clo
[05:48] <shrini1> wow
[05:48] <shrini1> it worked
[05:48] <shrini1> thanks
[05:48] <shrini1> got those files now
[05:48] <shrini1> are they latest?
[05:48] <godbyk> yep
[05:48] <godbyk> now you can run 'make clean' and 'make ubuntu-manual-ta.pdf'
[05:49] <shrini1> did it
[05:49] <shrini1> got the same pdf as u gave
[05:49] <shrini1> thanks a lot
[05:49] <shrini1> any way to generate index?
[05:49] <shrini1> :-)
[05:51] <godbyk> We have to do some work to make the index.
[05:51] <godbyk> The indexer doesn't understand Tamil, so we will have to teach it.
[05:51] <godbyk> (It needs to know how to alphabetize Tamil words.)
[05:53] <shrini1> oh
[05:53] <shrini1> really great
[05:53] <shrini1> easy task?
[05:53] <shrini1> or a time taking one?
[05:54] <godbyk> I have no idea. I hope so!  I'll have to find the documentation to see how we do that.
[05:54] <godbyk> And you'll have to teach me how to alphabetize Tamil words. :)
[05:54] <godbyk> Once we've taught the indexer how to alphabetize Tamil words, the glossary and index should start working.
[05:55] <shrini1> great
[05:55] <shrini1> why can we see how it works normally?
[05:56] <shrini1> think it will work fine
[05:56] <godbyk> It won't.
[05:56] <godbyk> Because the indexer doesn't understand the Tamil letters at all.
[05:56] <godbyk> So it gives up.
[05:57] <godbyk> When you run 'make ubuntu-manual-ta.pdf', it's trying to create the glossary and index. But it's failing. (That's why you don't see the index and glossary in the PDF.)
[05:58] <shrini1> oh
[05:58] <shrini1> okok
[05:58] <shrini1> i say the alphabetization will work fine with unicode
[05:59] <shrini1> may be
[05:59] <godbyk> I don't know if the indexer knows anything about unicode, though.
[05:59] <shrini1> hmmm
[05:59] <shrini1> fine
[05:59] <godbyk> I'll have to read some of the documentation and see what we have to do.
[05:59] <shrini1> godbyk: okey
[06:00] <shrini1> thanks a lot for your patience and help
[06:00] <shrini1> will fix missing translations and
[06:00] <shrini1> try our best to release alpha version of tamil manual in release party
[06:00] <godbyk> cool.  let me know how it goes!
[06:01] <godbyk> If you translate the \title and \author strings, I'll have thorwil make a title page.
[06:06] <shrini1> sure
[06:06] <shrini1> will do
[06:18] <shrini1> godbyk: thanks a lot
[06:18] <shrini1> getting good pdf
[06:18] <shrini1> hope enough for alpha release
[06:18] <godbyk> Alpha releases are to work out the kinks. :)
[06:28] <shrini1> godbyk: kninks means?
[06:29] <godbyk> In this context, it refers to small problems, bugs, etc.
[06:33] <shrini1> godbyk: okey
[07:39] <ubuntujenkins> morning all
[07:41] <humphreybc-mini> hey Luke
[07:43] <godbyk> bedtime for me. see you all in some number of hours.
[07:44] <godbyk> (gonna read before I go to sleep)
[07:44] <ubuntujenkins> hey humphreybc-mini
[07:44] <ubuntujenkins> night godbyk
[07:48] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc-mini: I started pointing the wiki to the website, removed the "get involved page" and changed some of the links
[07:50] <humphreybc-mini> yeah I saw that, thanks
[07:51] <ubuntujenkins> I am not sure what else needs moving over apart from quickshot when I sort out web content
[07:51] <humphreybc-mini> I'm going to do a new website for Quickshot soon
[07:52] <ubuntujenkins> coll I finish exams in 9 days so I have time to do more quickshot stuff
[07:52] <ubuntujenkins> *cool
[07:52] <humphreybc-mini> it'll probably live on ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot for the meantime until someone buys quickshot.org
[07:52]  * humphreybc-mini thinks ubuntujenkins should buy quickshot.org
[07:52] <ubuntujenkins> I think we decided on quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org , I don't have much money at the moment
[07:54] <humphreybc-mini> $15 USD a year
[07:54] <humphreybc-mini> you could probably find it cheaper somewhere
[07:54] <humphreybc-mini> but yeah, subdomain of ubuntu-manual.org is all good
[07:55] <ubuntujenkins> we figured until we got tons of publication adn used by other teams there wasn't much point doing it
[07:55] <humphreybc-mini> yeah
[07:56] <humphreybc-mini> fair nuff
[11:48] <daker> hello :)
[11:59] <ubuntujenkins> hello daker
[12:00] <ubuntujenkins> what versions of linux should the quickshot team make quickshot work for? I currently have ubuntu debian fedora I need to sort out all the virtual machines i can before i finish this uni year
[12:05] <daker> All linux version ubuntujenkins :D
[12:05] <daker> versions*
[12:06] <ubuntujenkins> yea theres a lot I am aiming to make virtual machines of as many as i can
[12:09] <popey> ubuntujenkins: suse?
[12:09] <ubuntujenkins> popey: does suse use qt? how does it handle gtk?
[12:09]  * ubuntujenkins get suse
[12:10] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: for ubuntu, one could argue that you only need to support the release in development
[12:11] <ubuntujenkins> thorwil: I think we shoudl support the current release
[12:13] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: otherwise, fedora, open-suse and arch-linux seem to be the other big ones, now
[12:14] <thorwil> arg, plus debian, of course
[12:15] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: http://distrowatch.com/ if you want to compile a longer list
[12:16] <ubuntujenkins> thanks thorwil I will get arch as well.
[12:16] <ubuntujenkins> I had seen distrowatch but then the list is long!
[12:21]  * ubuntujenkins hmmm fedora 13 is not completing the install
[12:21] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: don't worry to much of what could or should be the job of packagers
[12:23] <dutchie> gentoo!
[12:24]  * thorwil used gentoo for a while, but then decided life is too short for that
[12:24] <popey> ubuntujenkins: dunno
[12:26] <ubuntujenkins> thanks popey
[12:26] <ubuntujenkins> why gentoo dutchie ?
[12:31] <dutchie> just a suggestion of another distro
[12:32] <ubuntujenkins> thanks dutchie I will add it
[12:36] <ubuntujenkins> laptop has locked up from downloading to much at once
[12:51]  * thorwil runs ie6 via wine for testing purposes, but still feels dirty
[12:53] <daker> ie6 is very BAB
[12:53] <dutchie> Just Don't Bother
[12:53] <daker> BAD
[12:53] <dutchie> http://www.joshh.co.uk/internet-explorer-and-web-standards
[12:53] <dutchie> oh dear, it got spammed again
[12:54] <thorwil> i wouldn't bother, if it wasn't for a client
[12:54] <ubuntujenkins> i like this http://www.ie6nomore.com/code-samples.html
[12:59] <daker> http://browsehappy.com/why/
[13:47] <thorwil> how can i do a line break in a bash script and get it to ignore it (act as if the line continues)?
[13:48] <dutchie> backslash at the end of line
[13:50] <thorwil> ty
[16:49] <Andre_Gondim> how do I get this manual em pt_BR?
[16:52] <thorwil> Andre_Gondim: pt_BR is still incomplete. or are you asking how you can build a PDF of the current state yourself?
[16:53] <Andre_Gondim> thorwil, yeah, How may I build the PDF?
[16:54] <dutchie> http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/
[16:56] <Andre_Gondim> I will try, thanks ;)
[16:57] <thorwil> yeah, that's a lot easier
[17:00] <thorwil> otherwise, if texlive is in place, it should be "make ubuntu-manual-pt_BR.pdf", i think
[17:00] <Andre_Gondim> I see 7 errors, but I don't know where, is it possible to point the strings with error?
[17:01] <dutchie> ask godbyk
[17:03] <ubuntujenkins> Andre_Gondim: I will try and fix them before i go to bed tonight and will leave any corrections to be aproved in launchpad. I can't do them now as I am revising
[17:03] <Andre_Gondim> ok
[17:32] <ubuntujenkins> I am going to turn my latop off for a few hours so i can concentrate be back about 9pm bst
[20:16] <shrini> godbyk: hai
[20:16] <shrini> we made the ubuntu release party today
[20:16] <shrini> released the manual
[20:16] <godbyk> shrini: Hey. How was it?
[20:16] <shrini> thanks a lot for your assistance
[20:16] <shrini> and bearing all my troubles
[20:17] <shrini> :-)
[20:17] <godbyk> No problem. That's what I'm here for.
[20:17] <godbyk> How's the release party go?
[20:17] <shrini> :-)
[20:17] <shrini> thanks a lot
[20:27] <shrini> godbyk: we need to work on other things like index
[20:27] <shrini> can you do one favour?
[20:28] <shrini> we need the screenshots in the pdf
[20:28] <shrini> there is no seperate tamil screenshots
[20:28] <shrini> we can use the english screenshots
[20:28] <shrini> can you place the english screenshots and produce the pdf?
[20:39] <godbyk> Do you use US English or UK English
[20:40] <dutchie> ITYM "US English" or "English" :P
[20:42] <godbyk> dutchie: Heh.. Fair point.  But I believe you guys will come around to our way of thinking.
[20:42] <dutchie> Never!
[20:43] <dutchie> though you've already managed it with billions
[20:44] <godbyk> dutchie: Your language will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
[20:45] <daker> who's editing the developers manual ?
[20:48] <thorwil> daker: rickspencer, if i don't mix something up
[20:49] <daker> thorwil, thanks
[21:13] <daker> Elementary rocks!!!
[21:27] <ubuntujenkins> Andre_Gondim: I will look at your errors now
[21:28] <Andre_Gondim> ubuntujenkins, sounds good :D
[21:36] <ubuntujenkins> Andre_Gondim: this is wrong \menu{Editar\ e depois em Copiar} the word this bit "\then" should stay in "\menu{Edit\then Copy}"
[21:36] <ubuntujenkins> full string https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+pots/ubuntu-manual/pt_BR/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=+os+atalhos+de+teclado
[21:36] <Andre_Gondim> let me c
[21:37] <ubuntujenkins> I don't speek pt_BR so I don't know what reads
[21:37] <ubuntujenkins> also see http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf for more detail on what should be translated
[21:38] <Andre_Gondim> ubuntujenkins, anything else?
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> Andre_Gondim: not yet I need to just add that phrase in and find the next problem
[21:41] <Andre_Gondim> ok
[21:43] <ubuntujenkins> Andre_Gondim: can you change this one to my version please https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+pots/ubuntu-manual/pt_BR/297/+translate . I chnaged the end bracket
[21:44] <Andre_Gondim> let me see
[21:44] <ubuntujenkins> it went from ) to } at the end
[21:44] <Andre_Gondim> done it! :D
[21:46] <ubuntujenkins> and this one same thing but half way though https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+pots/ubuntu-manual/pt_BR/308/+translate
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> ok there is one error left which is because of the glossry and index needs setting up. I don't know how to do that.
[21:48] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: can you teach me how to set the glossery and index up at some point please
[21:48] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: What do you mean by 'set them up'?
[21:48] <ubuntujenkins> make them work so they appear at the end of the pdf
[21:49] <godbyk> They should automatically, assuming that the indexer knows the language.
[21:49] <godbyk> (If it doesn't know the language then we have to teach it. I have to read up on that.)
[21:49] <godbyk> If you run 'man xindy' and scroll down a ways, you'll see the list of languages it supports.
[21:49] <godbyk> If one of those languages matches the language you're trying to compile, then it should Just Work.
[21:50] <godbyk> If it doesn't, make sure that the language codes are set up in the langcodes.txt file.
[21:50] <ubuntujenkins> I am trying to do portuguese brazilian xindy supports portuguese
[21:51] <ubuntujenkins> hmm in the .txt the xindy langauge is portuguese but it doesn't work
[21:51] <godbyk> What's the xindy program tell you? (what errors?)
[21:52] <ubuntujenkins> when running make ubuntu.........pdf?
[21:52] <godbyk> Run: xindy -C utf8 -M texindy -L portuguese ubuntu-manual-pt_BR.idx
[21:52] <godbyk> (Assuming that's the right language name for xindy. I didn't look.)
[21:53] <ubuntujenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/445750/
[21:53] <ubuntujenkins> looks good to me
[21:54] <godbyk> yeah. so the index should work fine.
[21:55] <ubuntujenkins> how come I don't get one in the pdf then?
[21:56] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: Not sure yet.
[21:56] <godbyk> My laptop is regenerating all the PDFs right now, so I can't disturb it.
[21:56] <godbyk> Any errors in the ubuntu-manual-pt_BR.log file?
[21:58] <ubuntujenkins> running xelatex ubuntu-manual-pt_BR gives http://paste.ubuntu.com/445752/ but make worked except for 1 error I thought it was the index. just looking at the log file
[22:00] <ubuntujenkins> make did work I think i madea typo in the po file
[22:01] <godbyk> On mine it's dying due to a LaTeX error (typo in the translation).
[22:02] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: I will paste bin a better po file in a second
[22:02] <godbyk> k
[22:02] <ubuntujenkins> there are problems with the glossary stuff being translated when it shouldn't
[22:03] <ubuntujenkins> Andre_Gondim: in launchpad can you do a search for \newglossaryentry please and any thing in the first brackets should stay the same in this one
[22:03] <ubuntujenkins> \newglossaryentry{conexão discada}{name={conexão discada}, description={Uma
[22:03] <ubuntujenkins> conexão discada é quando seu computador utiliza um modem para conectar-se a
[22:03] <ubuntujenkins> um \gls{ISP} (Provedor de Serviços de Internet} através da linha
[22:03] <ubuntujenkins> telefônica.}}
[22:04] <ubuntujenkins> this bit {conexão discada}  should be in english
[22:04] <Andre_Gondim> hmmmmmm, ok
[22:04] <ubuntujenkins> It would be great if you could check those please
[22:05] <ubuntujenkins> see the pdf i linked if you are confused
[22:06] <Andre_Gondim> ubuntujenkins, like this https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+pots/ubuntu-manual/pt_BR/8/+translate
[22:06] <c7p> Andre_Gondim: there is a nice document explaining almost everything http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf . Check it, find common mistakes, search for them on launchpad and correct them. This way a lot of time is saved ;)
[22:06] <ubuntujenkins> Andre_Gondim: you got it :)
[22:09] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: ignore any errors i posted before I am getting confused with two different languages :/
[22:10] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: just e-mailed you the po file paste bin has a fit if i put it in there
[22:11] <ubuntujenkins> pastbin/chromium
[22:11] <ubuntujenkins> the log for the build is http://paste.ubuntu.com/445758/
[22:12] <ubuntujenkins> is it because of the bit between {} being translated?
[22:13] <godbyk> ok
[22:14] <ubuntujenkins> hopefully by learning now I can save you time in the future :)
[22:14] <ubuntujenkins> thats the secret plane :P
[22:14] <ubuntujenkins> *plan
[22:14] <godbyk> Is this log file with the po file you emailed me?
[22:14] <godbyk> There's still a bunch of translation/LaTeX bugs.
[22:15] <ubuntujenkins> the past bin ^ is the log file for the po file i sent.
[22:15] <godbyk> okay. there are a bunch of errors in your po file still, then. :)
[22:16] <ubuntujenkins> it builds to the end, I am confused
[22:16] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: if you search the log file for lines beginning with !, you'll find the errors.
[22:16] <godbyk> Well, it's building because the Makefile tells LaTeX to just keep going and ignore the errors (if it can).
[22:17] <ubuntujenkins> ok some of them are glossry errors which Andre_Gondim is fixing
[22:17] <Andre_Gondim> -]
[22:17] <Andre_Gondim> =]
[22:17] <ubuntujenkins> Andre_Gondim: what is this word in english ? \depois
[22:18] <Andre_Gondim> ubuntujenkins, hmmmm, I belive is "then"
[22:18] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: I under stand I will try and fix all these errors
[22:18] <ubuntujenkins> Andre_Gondim: can you do a search for \depois and replace it with \then please
[22:19] <Andre_Gondim> just a minute
[22:20] <ubuntujenkins> no probelm in a \menu{random text } the \then bit should stay . If i rember correctly it makes an >
[22:25] <ubuntujenkins> Andre_Gondim: I think once the \depois and the glossry entires are corrected we shoul have no errors
[22:26] <Andre_Gondim> ubuntujenkins, I think is everything correct, can you check it?
[22:26] <ubuntujenkins> Andre_Gondim: I will get launchpad to send me a po file and I will find out
[22:26] <ubuntujenkins> it wil be 5 to 10 minutes
[22:26] <Andre_Gondim> ok
[22:27] <ubuntujenkins> which other pdf did i start on last night? I didn't manage to finish before i went to bed
[22:28] <ubuntujenkins> is a spanish translator here?>
[22:30] <c7p> sry but from what I see many \gls commands aren't ok, the gls command shouldn't be translated
[22:30] <ubuntujenkins> is that at me c7p ?
[22:31] <c7p> no at Andre_Gondim
[22:31] <ubuntujenkins> ok
[22:35] <c7p> Believe me you waste too much time doing this. The command line error finding (through the compilation of the pdf) should be one of the last steps of the whole translation progress. As I said previously the best thing you can do is to search for common command translation bugs etc e.g \gls , \menu, glspl,.
[22:36] <godbyk> c7p: Not a bad idea.  I could probably write a script to do some of that.  Ensure that things that shouldn't be translated haven't been translated.
[22:36] <godbyk> I'll work on that in a bit.
[22:37] <godbyk> c7p: I'm still going through your PDF.  So far everything's looking good.
[22:37] <c7p> nice :D
[22:37] <ubuntujenkins> Andre_Gondim: if you change all the \gls{} back to english change all the \depois to \then I think thats most of the errors
[22:37] <godbyk> c7p: One thing I noticed though (and this is the fault of po4a, not yours) is that po4a screws up the line wraps of some things.
[22:38] <godbyk> c7p: We need to check the terminal environments (\begin{terminal} .. \end{terminal}) and the credits to ensure that the line breaks haven't been mangled by po4a.
[22:38] <ubuntujenkins> Andre_Gondim: some of the \then have been changed to \e depois
[22:38] <Andre_Gondim> let me fix it, just a moment
[22:38] <ubuntujenkins> Andre_Gondim: no rush :) . just letting you know
[22:40] <c7p> godbyk: So i have to check all terminal inputs and credits to see that everything is fine?
[22:40] <godbyk> c7p: Yeah, just compare them to make sure the line breaks are where they should be.  If they're not, you can edit them in the ubuntu-manual-el.tex file.
[22:41] <godbyk> c7p: I know some of the credits are wrapped incorrectly, but I haven't checked the terminal output yet.
[22:42]  * ubuntujenkins finds the extra }
[22:43] <godbyk> Fresh builds should be online at http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/ now.
[22:46] <c7p> all command output are in place and there are no break line issues, appart from the command on 6341 (cd "\textasciitilde/Μουσική/The Beatles/Sgt. etc)
[22:47] <c7p> line 6341*
[22:47] <c7p> could you move the ``Lonely Hearts Club Band/"}'' on the same line that the rest of the command is?
[22:49] <godbyk> c7p: done.
[22:50] <godbyk> c7p: I'm fixing the credits right now, too.
[22:51] <c7p> oh man you are quick :D
[22:52] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: spanish is error free ! which one should i do next?
[22:52] <ubuntujenkins> tranlators hout if you want me to fix your latex errors
[22:53] <ubuntujenkins> by error free i mean no ! in. there sin't any thing else i should look for?
[22:54] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I'd probably sort by completeness and start at the top.
[22:54]  * ubuntujenkins completes greek :P
[22:54] <godbyk> Hey, c7p, the last three lines of so of the credits.. where do the line-breaks go?
[22:55]  * ubuntujenkins starts on german
[22:57]  * ubuntujenkins completes german
[22:58] <ubuntujenkins> our translators are translating hard, there is loads done
[22:59] <godbyk> I know.
[22:59] <godbyk> Our translators rock!
[22:59]  * ubuntujenkins agrees
[23:01] <c7p> hm
[23:02] <c7p> godbyk: you mean after \ldots ?
[23:04] <godbyk> c7p: after Matthew Paul Thomas.  I broke the lines like this:
[23:04] <godbyk> Ομάδα Τεκμηρίωσης του Mozilla Firefox
[23:04] <godbyk> Ομάδα Τεκμηρίωσης του Ubuntu
[23:04] <godbyk> Ubuntu Community Learning Project
[23:04] <godbyk> Is that correct?
[23:06] <godbyk> c7p: I've uploaded the PDF and log file to http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/ if you want to take a look at it.
[23:08] <c7p> great! that's right
[23:11] <ubuntujenkins> are we spelling dialup like dial-up or dialup? in the english uk the \newglossaryentry has it as dialup but the \gls as dial-up
[23:12] <ubuntujenkins> ok the whole manual is in consistant in the use of the word
[23:12] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: wikipedia has it as dial-up. We trust wikipedia !
[23:14] <c7p> godbyk: is there anything that I can do for you?
[23:15] <godbyk> c7p: I don't have anything else for you yet. I'll let you know, though.
[23:15] <godbyk> (I'm just going through the PDF and making a list of all the things I need to check for each translation.  So far everything in yours is looking good.)
[23:16] <c7p> very nice
[23:16] <godbyk> I may edit the text in the colophon a bit. I need to double-check the fonts we're using.  But if I do, it'll only be a sentence or two that needs to be retranslated.
[23:16] <c7p> I have added some new notes on etherpad doc
[23:16] <godbyk> c7p: Thanks! That doc is going to help a lot.
[23:17] <c7p> yes it will
[23:17] <godbyk> Once we publish a couple of these translations, I think we'll have quite the checklist. :)
[23:17] <c7p> yes
[23:17] <c7p> it's very interesting how thing progress
[23:18] <godbyk> Yeah, there are a million details to fret about, it seems. :)
[23:19] <godbyk> With the original English text, I can fix most of the little issues myself without bothering anyone.
[23:19] <godbyk> With the translations, I have to rely on the translators to help out a lot, since I can't read the text.
[23:19] <godbyk> I just have to assume that the Greek manual isn't filled with complete gibberish. ;-)
[23:21] <c7p> hehe
[23:22] <c7p> I remember when many people were on this channel telling their opinion about the margin notes, padding etc ... now we have the manual completed and here come the translated edition ... there are also plans for future releases. This project and it's people rock :)
[23:22] <ubuntujenkins> I am off to bed, there are now no errors in Galician,German, Greek, Spanish, English uk and asturian . Top 6
[23:22] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: awesome job! thanks!
[23:23] <ubuntujenkins> depending on how revision goes tomorrow I will do more. no problem godbyk i like to learn and help :)
[23:23] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: maybe I'll get time this evening to write a little python script to help find errors more quickly.
[23:23] <c7p> good job ubuntujenkins
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: I am getting quite quick, so don't worry if you don't have time
[23:24] <godbyk> cool
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> night all 0/
[23:24] <c7p> night ubuntujenkins
[23:24] <godbyk> g'night, ubuntujenkins!
[23:24] <c7p> I g2g also
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> night c7p
[23:24] <c7p> g'night all