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[04:06] <mothersofinventi> I've just made a fresh install of Lucid and Ardour is complaining of jack. What should I do?
[04:06] <holstein> hmmm
[04:07] <holstein> mothersofinventi: whats the error?
[04:07] <mothersofinventi> wait
[04:07] <holstein> OR better yet
[04:07] <holstein> what device are you trying to use?
[04:08] <mothersofinventi> it simply say ardour is not connected to jack.
[04:08] <holstein> mothersofinventi: close everything
[04:09] <holstein> then open qjackctl
[04:09] <holstein> jack control
[04:09] <mothersofinventi> ok
[04:09] <mothersofinventi> it's open
[04:09] <holstein> hit the 'start' button
[04:10] <holstein> what does it do?
[04:11] <mothersofinventi> it says 'Could not connect to JACK server as client. -Overall operation failed. -Unable to connect to server. Please check the messages window for more info.'
[04:12] <holstein> mothersofinventi: OK
[04:12] <holstein> close all that
[04:12] <holstein> and open a terminal
[04:12] <holstein> and run
[04:12] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[04:12] <holstein> and try starting it that way
[04:12] <holstein> what does it do?
[04:13] <mothersofinventi> terminal says 'suspending pulseaudio'...
[04:13] <holstein> OK
[04:13] <holstein> thats good
[04:13] <mothersofinventi> may I push start button again?
[04:13] <holstein> did you hit the start button?
[04:13] <holstein> yeah
[04:14] <mothersofinventi> ok
[04:14] <mothersofinventi> same as before... :-(
[04:14] <holstein> hmmmm
[04:14] <holstein> OK
[04:15] <holstein> open another terminal
[04:15] <holstein> and type
[04:15] <mothersofinventi> ok
[04:15] <holstein> uname -a
[04:15] <holstein> and give me that
[04:15] <mothersofinventi> what is the address of pastebin?
[04:15] <holstein> you can probably fit it in here
[04:15] <holstein> it should be one line
[04:15] <holstein> i just need the one line
[04:15] <mothersofinventi> I'm in another computer.
[04:16] <holstein> http://pastebin.com/
[04:16] <holstein> gotcha
[04:16] <holstein> does it say real-time?
[04:16] <holstein> or generic?
[04:16] <holstein> thats what im after
[04:17] <mothersofinventi> anyway, it says rt...
[04:17] <holstein> hmmm
[04:18] <holstein> mothersofinventi: go to the 'setup' button
[04:19] <mothersofinventi> ok
[04:19] <holstein> in your sudo qjackctl
[04:19] <mothersofinventi> it's open
[04:19] <holstein> and uncheck the realtime box
[04:19] <mothersofinventi> ok
[04:19] <mothersofinventi> unchecked.
[04:19] <holstein> and down at the bottom right
[04:19] <holstein> whats the latency?
[04:19] <mothersofinventi> 69.7
[04:19] <holstein> ok
[04:20] <holstein> click ok
[04:20] <holstein> and try start again
[04:20] <holstein> this is the deal
[04:20] <mothersofinventi> ok
[04:20] <holstein> you gotta get jack started
[04:20] <holstein> and then you'll be good to go with ardour
[04:20] <holstein> did it start?
[04:20] <mothersofinventi> ok, it says it is started.
[04:20] <holstein> hmmm
[04:21] <mothersofinventi> may I open ardour then?
[04:21] <holstein> not yet
[04:21] <mothersofinventi> ok
[04:21] <holstein> were running jack as root
[04:21] <holstein> and we dont want to  do that
[04:21] <holstein> normally
[04:21] <holstein> ust for trouble-shooting
[04:21] <holstein> just*
[04:21] <mothersofinventi> ok
[04:22] <holstein> go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[04:22] <holstein> and look down the page a bit
[04:22] <holstein> about half way
[04:22] <holstein> there is a few things i want you to do
[04:22] <mothersofinventi> ok
[04:22] <holstein> this is important
[04:22] <holstein> sudo adduser <username> audio
[04:22] <holstein> in the terminal
[04:23] <holstein> just put your username in there
[04:23] <holstein> the user your going to be using with your studio
[04:23] <holstein> up above that in that link
[04:23] <holstein> there is ...
[04:23] <mothersofinventi> it says that I'm already in that group.
[04:24] <holstein> OIK
[04:24] <holstein> OK*
[04:24] <holstein> do you have 'ubuntu studio controls' installed?
[04:24] <mothersofinventi> but wait, I was messing around and changed my account to admin...
[04:24] <holstein> hmm
[04:24] <holstein> that shouldnt matter
[04:24] <mothersofinventi> is that a problem?
[04:24] <mothersofinventi> ok
[04:24] <holstein> just not the safest thing to do
[04:25] <mothersofinventi> ok
[04:25] <mothersofinventi> yes, I have ubuntu studio controls, should I open it now?
[04:25] <holstein> sure
[04:25] <mothersofinventi> ok
[04:25] <holstein> @audio - rtprio 99 <<BR>>
[04:25] <holstein> @audio - memlock unlimited <<BR>>
[04:25] <holstein> #@audio - nice -19 <<BR>>
[04:25] <holstein> this is from that page
[04:26] <holstein> see if the settings match
[04:26] <holstein> if not, try inputing those settings
[04:26] <holstein> and then lets go back to working on getting jack to start normally
[04:28] <mothersofinventi> you mean that "Real Time Support" of the page...
[04:28] <holstein> yeah
[04:28] <holstein> but just set that in 'ubuntustudiocontrols'
[04:28] <holstein> the rt prioority to 99
[04:29] <holstein> memlock unlimited
[04:29] <holstein> and nice -19
[04:29] <mothersofinventi> it has few controls.
[04:29] <holstein> its got those though right?
[04:29] <holstein> i forget what that looks like exactly
[04:30] <mothersofinventi> a box called 'Enable Memlock' with a combo box called "% of system memory"...
[04:30] <mothersofinventi> another box called 'Enable raw1394 access'
[04:31] <holstein> hmmm
[04:31]  * holstein going to studio box...
[04:31] <mothersofinventi> the last box is called 'Enable nice', follow by a combo called 'Nice percentage'.
[04:32] <mothersofinventi> followed*
[04:35] <holstein> mothersofinventi: OK
[04:35] <holstein> close that
[04:35] <holstein> and let do it this way
[04:35] <holstein> lets*
[04:36] <holstein> run this in the terminal
[04:36] <holstein> sudo gedit /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[04:37] <holstein> your interested in the lines
[04:37] <holstein> @audio   -  rtprio     99
[04:37] <holstein> @audio   -  memlock    unlimited
[04:37] <holstein> if they already say that
[04:37] <holstein> then we gotta look somewhere else
[04:38] <mothersofinventi> ok
[04:38] <holstein> hmmm, they already say that?
[04:39] <mothersofinventi> same values as the page's...
[04:39] <holstein> OK
[04:39] <holstein> do this for me
[04:39] <holstein> close the sudo qjack
[04:39] <holstein> and open a normal jack control
[04:40] <holstein> and check and make sure the 'setup' is the same
[04:40] <holstein> with the realtime box unchecked
[04:40] <holstein> and see if it starts
[04:41] <mothersofinventi> ok
[04:41] <holstein> it started without complaining?
[04:42] <mothersofinventi> all fine.
[04:43] <holstein> if you dont mind
[04:43] <archaicclass> Can anyone link me to a guide to adding ubuntu studio to my grub2 boot list? Apparently it didn't recognize my other OSes when I was installing it.
[04:43] <holstein> stop it
[04:43] <holstein> and go back in
[04:43] <holstein> and check the realtime box
[04:43] <holstein> and see if you still get an error
[04:43] <holstein> archaicclass: hey
[04:43] <holstein> check out...
[04:43] <holstein> !grub2
[04:44] <holstein> archaicclass: and let me know if that isnt what your looing for
[04:44] <archaicclass> alright thanks :)
[04:45] <holstein> archaicclass: in theory, running sudo apt-get update-grub should go and find everything
[04:45] <holstein> SORRY
[04:45] <holstein> sudo update-grub
[04:45] <archaicclass> Awesome, many thanks
[04:45]  * holstein typed sudo apt-get a LOT today ;)
[04:47] <mothersofinventi> well, with the rt checkbox checked it doesn't complain, it's simply FREEZING now...
[04:48] <holstein> interesting
[04:48] <holstein> you probably dont need it
[04:48] <holstein> the RT box checked
[04:48] <mothersofinventi> mmm...
[04:48] <holstein> you could try without for a while
[04:48] <holstein> and see if its enough for you
[04:49] <holstein> i would expect it to not start if you werent running an RT kernel
[04:49] <mothersofinventi> should I start qjackclt, uncheck rt box and start ardour then?
[04:50] <holstein> yup
[04:50] <holstein> uncheck the RT box
[04:50] <holstein> get jack running and 'happy'
[04:50] <holstein> and then go for it
[04:51] <holstein> check out http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/
[04:53] <mothersofinventi> something very weird happened.
[04:53] <mothersofinventi> let me restart the system to believe myself.
[04:55] <holstein> hehe
[04:55] <holstein> that doesnt sound good
[04:55] <holstein> :/
[04:57] <mothersofinventi> nevermind, system restarted, ardour opens without a problem, but with rt unchecked.
[04:57] <mothersofinventi> is that all?
[04:59] <holstein> for now
[05:00] <holstein> til you need lower latency
[05:00] <holstein> then we would need to figure out why your not able to run jack with RT priority
[05:00] <holstein> BUT come and find me if you get to that point
[05:01] <mothersofinventi> that is a good question.
[05:01] <mothersofinventi> okay, thank you for all.
[05:01] <mothersofinventi> bye
[05:01] <holstein> mothersofinventi: anytime
[05:06] <holstein> hmmm
[05:06] <holstein> not you again ;)
[05:06] <holstein> archaicclass: did you get grub sorted out?
[05:06] <archaicclass> holstein: update-grub worked like a charm
[05:06] <holstein> AWESOME
[05:07] <holstein> i cant imagine why it didnt get everything at install
[05:07] <holstein> but whatever :)
[05:07] <archaicclass> Perhaps it can't detect grub2, but heh, worked out in the end :)
[05:07] <holstein> if you get a chance
[05:07] <holstein> check out http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/
[05:08] <archaicclass> Cool, will do. Now to change all my ubuntu desktops to the studio theme :P
[05:09] <holstein> i usually just get the wallpaper
[05:10] <holstein> BUT studio theme is slick
[05:11] <archaicclass> Indeed
[06:50] <Chiggins> Hey, how do I connect the MIDI Keyboard program to Ardour through JACK?
[06:51] <holstein> hey Chiggins
[06:51] <holstein> what program?
[06:52] <Chiggins> I have Virtual Keyboard going to ZynAddSubFX, I would like ZynAddSubFX to go to Ardour. I'm just trying to feel the basic's of using JACK right now.
[06:55] <holstein> http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[06:55] <holstein> the 8th and 9th images
[06:55] <Chiggins> I I have it connected now where I can see the levels rise in Master while using Ardour, but not an individual track
[06:55] <holstein> i have an 'alsa' tab
[06:56] <holstein> and when i start vkeyboard
[06:56] <holstein> i route that to whatever synth
[06:56] <holstein> BUT
[06:56] <holstein> zyn has its own virtual keyboard
[06:57] <holstein> Chiggins: did you route it to the track?
[06:57] <holstein> in JACK
[06:57] <holstein> under the 'audio' tab
[06:57] <holstein> ?
[06:57] <holstein> route zyn's outputs to whatever channel you want in ardour
[06:57] <holstein> and then 'arm
[06:57] <holstein> '
[06:57] <holstein> the track
[06:59] <Chiggins> Well right now i have ardour and zyn going to system
[06:59] <Chiggins> and if i do zyn to "master/in 1" in adrour, it shows up in the master levels
[07:01] <holstein> yeah
[07:01] <holstein> you need to 'create a channel'
[07:01] <holstein> in ardour
[07:01] <holstein> 'create a track'
[07:01] <holstein> a stereo track
[07:02] <holstein> and then send zyn to just that track
[07:02] <holstein> underr the ardour section
[07:02] <holstein> in 'connections'
[07:02] <holstein> be sure to 'expand' ardour'
[07:02] <holstein> hist the little + sign
[07:03] <holstein> like the 8th image down at http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/qjackctl-ss1.html
[07:04] <holstein> you see how ardour has 6 inputs
[07:04] <holstein> 2 of those the 'mains'
[07:04] <holstein> and the other 4 are 2 stereo tracks
[07:04] <Chiggins> alright, i have a stereo track called Audio 2... in JACK i have the entire zyn connected to Audio 2/in 1 and Audio 2/in 2, under the Ardour section
[07:05] <Chiggins> no levels showing up though
[07:07] <holstein> Chiggins: did you arm the track?
[07:07] <holstein> you have to hit the record button on the track
[07:09] <Chiggins> wtf.. i cant click anything... O.O
[07:09] <Chiggins> imma restart my computer.. brb
[07:13] <Chiggins> Hokay back, sorry about that
[07:16] <Chiggins> Alright, so I hit the record buttons and such, and that worked, I see the levels recorded in Ardour... But when I play it back, I hear nothing.
[07:17] <Chiggins> Nvm.. Wasnt connected to system!
[07:18] <Chiggins> Thanks all!
[07:19] <holstein> all?
[07:19] <holstein> ;)
[07:31] <tucemiux> the ingrate
[11:18] <Kentrel> I installed a real time kernel and now I can't start jack. It says it couln't find jackd
[11:18] <Kentrel> ou don't appear to have a sane system configuration. It is very likely that you
[11:18] <Kentrel> encounter xruns. Please apply all the above mentioned changes and start jack again!
[13:40] <rvchila> hi
[14:57] <gniourf_gniourf> hi, I just installed Ubuntu Studio on an old laptop, but X server doesn't seem to work! I just get a login prompt in TTY1 after booting...
[14:57] <Blank__> gniourf_gniourf, how old is old
[14:57] <gniourf_gniourf> it's a DELL from 2002
[14:58] <gniourf_gniourf> ubuntu 9.04 worked well on it, with wifi and all that
[14:58] <gniourf_gniourf> and ubuntu studio 8.04 was okay too
[14:59] <Blank__> hmm... read through the output of Xorg.0.log?
[15:00] <gniourf_gniourf> it's empty :)
[15:00] <Blank__> wow, that really is an X problem
[15:00] <Blank__> what does dmesg say?
[15:01] <gniourf_gniourf> mmhhhhh I don't really know what to look for in fact
[15:02] <Blank__> look for something about errors :p
[15:02] <gniourf_gniourf> sure yeah
[15:02] <Blank__> failing that, anything about things failing to launch
[15:02] <Blank__> segfaults, error messages, whatever can narrow it down
[15:03] <gniourf_gniourf> there's: ACPI Warning for \_SB_.PCI0.VID2._DOD: Return Package has no elements (empty) (20090903/nspredef-433)
[15:03] <gniourf_gniourf> but the laptop has two video cards, so this is probably not relevant
[15:04] <Blank__> hmm... not sure what that would mean, probably not
[15:04] <gniourf_gniourf> (this is about the second video card)
[15:04] <gniourf_gniourf> and there's nothing else
[15:05] <gniourf_gniourf> well, nothing else that I can relate to an X problem
[15:06] <Blank__> so gdm isn't running?
[15:06] <gniourf_gniourf> no
[15:06] <gniourf_gniourf> when I type gdm:
[15:07] <gniourf_gniourf> ** (gdm-binary:1398): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[15:07] <Blank__> so potentially dbus isn't even started?
[15:08] <gniourf_gniourf> looks like it...
[15:08] <Blank__> looks like a pretty complex bug to me
[15:08] <gniourf_gniourf> oh
[15:08] <gniourf_gniourf> :(
[15:09] <Blank__> to be honest i don't really know much about the underpinnings of linux :(
[15:09] <Blank__> so far it's all self taught, and that's left quite a few gaps
[15:10] <gniourf_gniourf> same here actually... that's why I'm sometimes asking things on IRC channels :)
[15:10] <Blank__> same
[15:10] <gniourf_gniourf> oh well, thanks anyway...
[15:10] <Blank__> i dont ask as much as before though, because channels like #ubuntu are clogged with... for lack of a better term, newbs
[15:11] <gniourf_gniourf> yes indeed...
[15:11] <Blank__> google is my friend
[15:11] <Blank__> :p
[15:11] <Blank__> oh, another thing
[15:11] <Blank__> was this a fresh install or upgrade
[15:13] <gniourf_gniourf> fresh install!
[15:14] <gniourf_gniourf> I installed it over a working ubuntu 9.04
[15:14] <gniourf_gniourf> :(
[15:19] <Blank__> wow, that's a bit strange
[15:19] <gniourf_gniourf> yes
[15:19] <Blank__> i wouldve expected this kind of trouble from an upgrade
[15:20] <gniourf_gniourf> maybe I'm going to install 9.04 again and do an upgrade and install the ubuntu studio packages I need....
[15:20] <Blank__> give that a try and see what happens
[15:21] <Blank__> apart from the regression to -generic kernel as default, most things worked i remember
[15:21] <gniourf_gniourf> ok I'l going to try this out
[15:21] <Blank__> and i'm off to bed :p
[15:21] <gniourf_gniourf> oh already ??
[15:22] <gniourf_gniourf> where do you live ?
[15:22] <Blank__> 12:22AM
[15:22] <Blank__> aus maaaate
[15:22] <gniourf_gniourf> ah ok :)
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[15:22] <gniourf_gniourf> I'm from france
[15:22] <gniourf_gniourf> it's 4:22 pm here
[15:22] <Blank__> ah
[15:22] <gniourf_gniourf> good night then :)
[15:22] <gniourf_gniourf> and thanks
[15:22] <Blank__> you're welcome, don't think i helped much, but at least you got a response :p
[15:23] <gniourf_gniourf> yes :)
[15:23] <Blank__> 'night
[15:23] <gniourf_gniourf> good night ;)
[15:24] <vlada> a lot of nice apps is buried under various repositories in ubuntu. Is the some easy way to search for desired app online (something similar to opensuse)? For example, falk repository is great for linux multimedia.
[17:12] <holstein> vlada: i usually just find things searching google
[17:12] <holstein> OR news podcasts
[17:13] <holstein> http://opensourcemusician.libsyn.com/
[17:14] <holstein> not a news podcast necessarily, but they share info on new opensource projects
[17:17] <vlada> nice link
[17:17] <vlada> bookmarked! thanx a lot
[17:18] <vlada> I have no problim to find software I'm looking for, boot noobs might, easily.
[17:18] <vlada> http://software.opensuse.org/
[17:18] <vlada> take a look at this
[17:18] <vlada> it's easy pure and simple
[17:19] <vlada> we need something like that for ubuntu too
[17:27] <holstein> we've got the new software center though
[17:27] <holstein> i guess that is not by default installed in ubuntustudio
[17:27] <holstein> BUT its very newb friendly
[17:29] <holstein> maybe getdeb too
[17:29] <holstein> http://blog.getdeb.net/
[17:29] <holstein> looks like its down though
[17:30] <holstein> http://wiki.getdeb.net/
[17:31] <holstein> i never find anything at getdeb :/
[17:46] <vlada> welll
[17:46] <vlada> software center is nice place for newbies
[17:46] <vlada> but it's just that
[17:47] <vlada> no exotic thing can be found there
[17:48] <vlada> synaptic is a bit better (more powerful), yet it doesn't provide solution for finding desired software online. too bad!
[17:49] <vlada> and the only way to find "exotic" software is through someones blog (usually repo creator's blog)
[17:50] <vlada> holstein, we need something in between - intermediate solution
[17:51] <vlada> easy is there, advanced too, but not intermediate one...
[18:04] <abstrakt> anyone here using the restricted wireless/nvidia drivers with success on the rt kernel?
[18:06] <holstein> abstrakt: ive got an RT kernel on a box using a restricted broadcom wifi driver
[18:07] <holstein> does the device work with the generic kernel?
[18:07] <abstrakt> holstein, it does
[18:07] <abstrakt> holstein, i've had it happen twice now where after enabling restricted drivers, my grub gets screwed
[18:08] <abstrakt> so like after the BIOS boots all i get is a black screen with a blinking cursor and my keys just beep
[18:08] <holstein> grub?
[18:08] <abstrakt> well, the mbr, grub, the bootloader
[18:08] <holstein> hmmm
[18:08] <abstrakt> it gets b0rked
[18:08] <holstein> i was thinking that would be more graphics driver related
[18:08] <abstrakt> happend in 10.04 and then i went back to 9.10 and it just happened again
[18:08] <abstrakt> yeh well this time
[18:08] <abstrakt> see i thought so to
[18:08] <abstrakt> but this time
[18:09] <abstrakt> i didn't install the graphics driver at all
[18:09] <holstein> SO
[18:09] <holstein> you enable the repo
[18:09] <abstrakt> i waited like 2 weeks, machine worked fine, i was real hesitant to install the drivers cuz i didn't wanna bring down my system
[18:09] <holstein> and the update?
[18:09] <holstein> then*
[18:10] <abstrakt> and just yesterday i guess it was, i installed the broadcom STA and it said i had to reboot and boom... black screen of death with beepy keys
[18:10] <abstrakt> i had been running the rt kernel at the time of install
[18:10] <holstein> hmmm
[18:10] <holstein> thats the one im using
[18:10] <abstrakt> this is all 64 bit too btw
[18:10] <holstein> OH
[18:10] <abstrakt> which i think, actually might be the main problem :/
[18:10] <holstein> i got 32-bit
[18:10] <abstrakt> but i really need low latency
[18:10] <holstein> you should just do 32-bit i say
[18:11] <abstrakt> and 64 bit gives me such better performance
[18:11] <holstein> i get low latency
[18:11] <abstrakt> well really what i need to do is buy a separate laptop specifically to run the synthesizer
[18:11] <abstrakt> and use it like an "instrument" like a guitar or anything else
[18:11] <abstrakt> or i just need to upg from my core 2 duo 2.0GHz to an i7 :)
[18:11] <holstein> i think ALL 64-bit distros should just say -beta ;)
[18:12] <abstrakt> agreed :(
[18:12] <holstein> im planning on getting some new hardware
[18:12] <abstrakt> but seriously, way better latency performance on 64 bit
[18:12] <holstein> BUT i'll just run 32bit on it
[18:12] <abstrakt> esp after you stack about 5 tracks each with say 1-3 fx
[18:12] <holstein> abstrakt: i get below 2ms
[18:12] <abstrakt> boom latency is crap
[18:12] <holstein> stable
[18:13] <holstein> on a P4 with a gig of ram
[18:13] <abstrakt> hmm, what are your system specs?
[18:13] <abstrakt> desktop?
[18:13] <holstein> 2.4
[18:13] <holstein> yeah, but
[18:13] <holstein> i get really similar to that
[18:13] <abstrakt> 2.4 GHz?
[18:13] <holstein> with a 1.2 with a gig of ram
[18:13] <holstein> with the same interface
[18:13] <abstrakt> hmm... wtf then
[18:13] <abstrakt> i've got a core 2 duo 2.0GHz w 4G of RAM
[18:13] <holstein> i can get around 5ms stable
[18:13] <abstrakt> see i can get 5ms
[18:13] <holstein> and if im not pushing it hard
[18:13] <abstrakt> exactly
[18:14] <holstein> i can get 2
[18:14] <holstein> with the lappy
[18:14] <abstrakt> but things go to hell when i do something as simple as change the sound using AMS
[18:14] <abstrakt> or press play in ardour
[18:14] <abstrakt> try adding 5 wav tracks to ardour and put about 3 plugins each on them
[18:14] <holstein> i get xruns sometimes
[18:14] <abstrakt> yeh xruns
[18:14] <abstrakt> see i want zero xruns
[18:14] <holstein> when opening programs
[18:14] <holstein> never using ardour though
[18:14] <abstrakt> hmm
[18:15] <abstrakt> i get xruns just moving the mouse
[18:15] <abstrakt> at lower latencies
[18:15] <holstein> hmmm
[18:15] <abstrakt> and then sometimes jack totally just plain crashes
[18:15] <holstein> have you looked at cat /proc/interrupts
[18:15] <abstrakt> and at one point, it froze and when i re-booted, boom, no more grub :/
[18:15] <holstein> i have another lappy
[18:15] <holstein> and the USB is ont he same IRQ as the firewire
[18:16] <holstein> and if i have ANYTHING pluged into the USB ports
[18:16] <abstrakt> well i'm not trying to use anything more than a USB keyboard
[18:16] <holstein> its xruns
[18:16] <holstein> constant
[18:16] <holstein> otherwise
[18:16] <abstrakt> well USB piano/keyboard
[18:16] <holstein> i can push that one like my desktop
[18:16] <holstein> 2ms
[18:16] <holstein> its a 2.4 too
[18:16] <abstrakt> hmm, so then what kind of sound interface do you run?
[18:16] <abstrakt> or own i mean?
[18:16] <holstein> P4 with a gig of ram
[18:16] <abstrakt> no no your inputs
[18:16] <abstrakt> do you record?
[18:17] <holstein> presonus firepod
[18:17] <abstrakt> like recording studio? records?
[18:17] <abstrakt> ah, i have one of those
[18:17] <abstrakt> it's in storage right now
[18:17] <abstrakt> i just bought an M-Audio FastTrack Pro
[18:17] <abstrakt> USB
[18:17] <abstrakt> works great, auto-recognized
[18:17] <abstrakt> etc
[18:17] <holstein> i do various projects
[18:17] <holstein> live stuff
[18:17] <abstrakt> will go down to like 2ms
[18:17] <abstrakt> but then i get wicked xruns
[18:17] <holstein> small 30 second things
[18:17] <holstein> i dont do alot of MIDI
[18:17] <abstrakt> on non-realtime i can't go much below 1024 without getting xruns
[18:18] <abstrakt> yeh i do a fair bit of MIDI
[18:18] <holstein> you should be able to d better than me then
[18:18] <holstein> performance wise
[18:18] <holstein> in some cases
[18:18] <abstrakt> holstein, but this is what i'm saying though...
[18:18] <abstrakt> xruns
[18:18] <holstein> look at cat /proc/interrupts
[18:19] <holstein> run
[18:19] <holstein> cat /proc/interrupts
[18:19] <holstein> in a terminal
[18:19] <holstein> and see what all is being shared by your USB ports
[18:19] <abstrakt> k looking
[18:19] <abstrakt> i'll pastebin hold on
[18:19] <holstein> if the IRQ that your mouse is on
[18:19] <holstein> is the same as the one that your fast track is plugged into
[18:19] <holstein> that should trigger some xruns
[18:20] <holstein> when runing jack and using the mouse
[18:20] <holstein> well, can maybe not should
[18:20] <abstrakt> http://pastebin.ca/1877953
[18:20] <abstrakt> ahhh, interesting ok
[18:20] <abstrakt> yeah that could explain the mouse xruns
[18:20] <abstrakt> actually it's the trackpad
[18:20] <abstrakt> cuz i don't have my mouse setup right now
[18:21] <abstrakt> so what am i looking for in that paste? how do i tell what's what?
[18:21] <holstein> have you tried jack with the internal card?
[18:21] <holstein> just for trouble-shooting
[18:21] <abstrakt> yah works fine
[18:21] <abstrakt> doesn't change much
[18:22] <abstrakt> in terms of the performance
[18:22] <holstein> i would unplug all USB devices
[18:22] <abstrakt> but it does work
[18:22] <holstein> and try the internal card
[18:22] <abstrakt> uhhh... not gonna use that card for real though, sorry
[18:22] <abstrakt> and i've tried it, it works
[18:22] <holstein> cat /proc/interrupts
[18:22] <holstein> OOPS
[18:22] <holstein>  21:        580        575   IO-APIC-fasteoi   uhci_hcd:usb4, uhci_hcd:usb6, HDA Intel
[18:22] <holstein> that means that several of your USB ports
[18:23] <holstein> and your onboard sound are on the same IRQ
[18:23] <abstrakt> ahh indeed
[18:23] <abstrakt> High Definition Audio
[18:23] <holstein> you got a lot of USB devices lumped together
[18:23] <holstein> other than that
[18:23] <abstrakt> s/High/Mediocre/
[18:23] <abstrakt> but yeah
[18:23] <holstein> its not mad
[18:23] <holstein> bad*
[18:23] <abstrakt> so i'm not using the internal device, i'm using the single thing i have plugged into USB at the moment
[18:24] <holstein> your firewire is off by itself :)
[18:24] <abstrakt> which is my M-Audio
[18:24] <holstein> assuming its a nice chip
[18:24] <abstrakt> yeh i'm not using the firewire though
[18:24] <abstrakt> well i do have a fw vid camera
[18:24] <holstein> abstrakt: what chip is it?
[18:24] <abstrakt> but i never use that at the same time, i can't stream with it, so i just record to the tape
[18:24] <abstrakt> my firewire chip?
[18:24] <abstrakt> i dunno
[18:24] <holstein> if you run lspci
[18:24] <abstrakt> or my CPU?
[18:24] <holstein> the firewire
[18:25] <abstrakt> Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832
[18:25] <holstein> hmmm
[18:25] <holstein> i think thats bad
[18:25] <abstrakt> FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller
[18:25] <holstein> i had bad luck with the ricoh i tried
[18:25] <holstein> on a macbook
[18:25] <holstein> i got a texas instruments
[18:25] <holstein> a couple TI's actually
[18:26] <holstein> and a via that linux likes
[18:26] <holstein> anyways
[18:26] <abstrakt> see this wouldn't be a problem, if jack didn't crash because of the xruns
[18:26] <holstein> i think you might want to spend a little time thinking about the hardware setup
[18:26] <abstrakt> i can set my latency to a tolerable level
[18:26] <abstrakt> which is 11ms
[18:26] <abstrakt> that's the most i can stand
[18:26] <abstrakt> but i still get jack crashes every now and then
[18:27] <holstein> also
[18:27] <holstein> ask in #opensourcemusicians
[18:27] <abstrakt> so the system is, from a practical standpoint, almost useless
[18:27] <holstein> i think there are a few 64bit guys over there
[18:27] <holstein> i would try a couple live-distros
[18:27] <holstein> and see if i could isolate the hardware from the software issues
[18:29] <holstein> abstrakt: i would run sudo qjackctl too
[18:29] <holstein> and start something else sudo
[18:29] <holstein> for trouble-shooting
[18:30] <holstein> and see if the xruns are improved or not
[18:30] <holstein> also
[18:30] <holstein> i found 10.04 to be a little more 'peppy'
[18:31] <abstrakt> i found 64 bit to be more peppy
[18:31] <abstrakt> but not much diff in 10.04
[18:31] <holstein> maybe im just imagining it becase it shiny and new ;)
[18:31] <holstein> but i think i get a little more stable RT experience too
[18:31] <holstein> less problematic software
[19:33] <drmacro> got a fresh install ubs10.04 qjackctl can't connect to JACK server as client...this system worked fine in 9.10 whats new?
[19:33] <holstein> drmacro: try starting
[19:34] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[19:34] <holstein> if its starts then
[19:34] <holstein> you know its a permissions error
[19:34] <holstein> drmacro: ALSO
[19:34] <holstein> as regular user
[19:35] <holstein> go into 'setup' and uncheck the realtime box
[19:35] <holstein> you can run uname -a to see what kernel your running
[19:35] <holstein> BUT AFAIK ubuntustudio is shipping with the generic kernel
[19:36] <drmacro> I thought if you selected the audio option it loaded the preempt kernel?
[19:36] <drmacro> yep 2.6.32-22-preempt
[19:36] <holstein> COOL
[19:37] <holstein> so the RT box SHOULD be cool then
[19:37] <holstein> BUT try those 2 things
[19:38] <drmacro> so sudo qjackctl no worky, modprobe shows raw1394, user has audio & video, ubs controls set, /dev/raw1394 rw-rw---
[19:38] <holstein> what device?
[19:39] <drmacro> af12 ...used in ubs for over a year...9.04, 9.10
[19:39] <drmacro> TI chipset
[19:40] <drmacro> ffado-mixer won't run either
[19:40] <drmacro> well actually, it runs, just doens't find anything...
[19:40] <holstein> does it show up running lspci?
[19:41] <holstein> what about running aplay -l or arecord -l
[19:43] <drmacro> lspci shows the firewire controller, aplay shows the on board intel device
[19:43] <holstein> hmmm
[19:43] <holstein> what driver are you choosing?
[19:43] <holstein> firewire?
[19:43] <holstein> in qjackctl
[19:43] <drmacro> yes
[19:44] <holstein> what are the errors?
[19:44] <holstein> when running sudo qjackctl ?
[19:45] <drmacro> ahh...it worked that time...WTF
[19:46] <holstein> so
[19:46] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[19:46] <holstein> check out the stuff about permissions on the firewire devices
[19:47] <holstein> actually
[19:48] <holstein> i dont see it there
[19:48] <holstein> i think its just
[19:48] <drmacro> yeah, but...sudo qjackctl failed before...
[19:48] <holstein> sudo adduser "youruser" audio
[19:48] <holstein> sudo adduser "youruser" video
[19:48] <drmacro> did that from the getgo...
[19:48] <holstein> hmmm
[19:48] <holstein> well
[19:48] <holstein> if your staring qjacksudo
[19:49] <holstein> and not normal user
[19:49] <holstein> its permissions
[19:49] <drmacro> I'll need to reboot and see if it works again...if not I'l recheck all the steps...thanks for the help
[19:50] <holstein> anytime
[22:34] <inflood> Hi. Is ubuntustudio a complete distro? Or do I have to install it into Ubuntu?
[22:34] <holstein> hey inflood
[22:34] <inflood> hey holstein ^^
[22:34] <holstein> you can do both
[22:35] <inflood> umm..
[22:35] <inflood> okay :D
[22:35] <holstein> you can download an ubuntustudio install disc
[22:35] <holstein> and install everything that way
[22:35] <inflood> Okai
[22:35] <inflood> Well, it certainly looks interesting, so I might do it in the nearest future :)
[22:35] <holstein> OR you can install standard lucid
[22:35] <holstein> and choose what to install
[22:36] <holstein> check out
[22:36] <holstein> !vanilla
[22:36] <holstein> the package names are/have been the same since hardy
[22:36] <holstein> meta-packages i should say
[22:36] <holstein> i you go and install the meta-package ubuntusutudio-audio
[22:37] <holstein> you get the audio production meta-package
[22:37] <holstein> inflood: you can go to synaptic
[22:37] <inflood> so much information .___.
[22:37] <holstein> and search ubuntustudio
[22:37] <holstein> and read at your leisure
[22:37] <holstein> :)
[22:38] <inflood> The names (Lucid, Karmic, etc.) Is that just names of the version? So Lucid is the latest release?
[22:38] <holstein> yup
[22:38] <inflood> Are that*
[22:38] <inflood> Okay :D
[22:38] <holstein> hardy was the last LTS
[22:38] <holstein> LTS long term support release
[22:38] <holstein> that was 8.04
[22:38] <inflood> But first I'll have to get myself a computer I wanna use as testbox for all my linux-testing :)
[22:38] <holstein> the 8 means 2008
[22:38] <holstein> and the .04 means april
[22:39] <inflood> and the .1 means the first?
[22:39] <inflood> or..
[22:39] <holstein> ubuntu releases in april and october
[22:39] <holstein> SO now we have 10.04
[22:39] <holstein> for 2010
[22:39] <holstein> april
[22:39] <inflood> And soon 10.10 ??
[22:39] <holstein> and the 'codename' is lucid lynx
[22:39] <inflood> for october 2010?
[22:39] <holstein> and in octobe
[22:39] <holstein> 10.10
[22:40] <inflood> That was just what I said :D
[22:40] <inflood> But okay, I get it :)
[22:40] <holstein> codename maverick something
[22:40] <holstein> i forger
[22:40] <holstein> forget*
[22:40] <inflood> But I'll have to get a computer that I can use to install linux on
[22:40] <holstein> 8.04 (hardy) was an LTS
[22:40] <holstein> and so is 10.04 (lucid)
[22:40] <inflood> LTS?
[22:40] <inflood> Long Term Support
[22:40] <inflood> oh
[22:40] <inflood> Yeah.
[22:40] <inflood> Right :D
[22:40] <holstein> that means it is supported for longer
[22:41] <holstein> i want to say 5 years?
[22:41] <holstein> its 3+years
[22:41] <inflood> Wow
[22:41] <inflood> That's long ^^
[22:41] <holstein> yup
[22:41] <inflood> But how can I see whether it's LTS or not?
[22:42] <holstein> they'll say
[22:42] <holstein> cononical
[22:42] <holstein> on the site
[22:42] <holstein> i think its settled into every 2 years though
[22:42] <inflood> The "Canonical Hosted" ?
[22:42] <holstein> 8.04, 10.04 12.04
[22:42] <holstein> but they dont have to do that
[22:43] <holstein> they might skip that if its not 'stable' enough or something
[22:43] <inflood> ok
[22:43] <inflood> 'I have one question
[22:43] <holstein> yup
[22:43] <inflood> Can it be used for making a radio station?
[22:43] <inflood> :P
[22:43] <holstein> internet radio?
[22:43] <inflood> Yes
[22:43] <holstein> i use an icecast server
[22:44] <holstein> here at my house
[22:44] <inflood> icecast -->server<--
[22:44] <holstein> its running on a lucid server install
[22:44] <holstein> on an old P3
[22:44] <holstein> !icecast
[22:44] <holstein> hmmm
[22:44] <inflood> So you've installed ubuntustudio on it and also an icecast server?
[22:44] <inflood> lawl :P
[22:44] <holstein> inflood: thats just the server part
[22:44] <holstein> the backend
[22:44] <holstein> i installed it on a server install
[22:45] <holstein> ubuntuserver 10.04
[22:45] <inflood> .___.
[22:45] <inflood> I'm lost now
[22:45] <holstein> http://www.icecast.org/
[22:45] <inflood> I know icecast :)
[22:45] <inflood> anyway
[22:45] <holstein> OK
[22:45] <inflood> You installed Ubuntu Server and then installed Icecast on it?
[22:45] <holstein> thats just the way i did it
[22:45] <inflood> Okay
[22:45] <holstein> i got the server backend running here
[22:45] <inflood> Sounds clever
[22:46] <holstein> and i can stream to it
[22:46] <inflood> So you actually have an internet radio station? :o
[22:46] <holstein> from somewhere else if i want
[22:46] <holstein> inflood: i dont keep it on 24/7
[22:46] <holstein> but you can
[22:46] <holstein> and 'register' it or whatever
[22:46] <inflood> stream to it = choose what music is played on the radio staiton?
[22:46] <holstein> yup
[22:46] <inflood> you have to register it to keep it on 24/7?
[22:46] <holstein> im not sure
[22:46] <holstein> probably not
[22:47] <holstein> i just do it as needed
[22:47] <inflood> well, if you have to register, then the whole open-source-everything-is-free disappears :b
[22:47] <holstein> and im sure my bandwidth would crack if i got a lot of listeners
[22:47] <holstein> inflood: like register with some service that tells people its there
[22:47] <inflood> I gotta get myself a computer I can use to install linux on .__.
[22:48] <inflood> Like SHOUTcast?
[22:48] <holstein> yeah
[22:48] <inflood> Aah
[22:48] <holstein> it might just do it automatically
[22:48] <holstein> i hanvet checked
[22:48] <inflood> holstein: how many listeners is it possible to have on a 6 Mbit bandwidth internet connection blah blah
[22:48] <holstein> theres a 'public' option in the clients
[22:48] <holstein> and sometimes i set it up that way
[22:49] <holstein> but ive never checked
[22:49] <holstein> and its usually up for about a gig
[22:49] <holstein> 2 hours or so
[22:49] <holstein> and i shut it down
[22:49] <inflood> .____.
[22:49] <holstein> gig=show
[22:49] <holstein> hmmm
[22:49] <inflood> wait.. what do you use your radio station for?
[22:49] <holstein> i got less than 2Mbits upload
[22:49] <holstein> and ive had 20 on there
[22:49] <inflood> Oh.. me too
[22:50] <holstein> with no problems
[22:50] <inflood> I got like.. 2mbit aswell I think :)
[22:50] <holstein> i havent tested where it will 'break down'
[22:50] <holstein> you can limit the connections though
[22:50] <holstein> AND mess with the quality
[22:50] <holstein> to help it fit the bandwidth
[22:50] <inflood> Well...... It's because I am inlove with linux, and I want to do something called Denner Radio, for some of my friends, which me and 2 of my friends used to do at my continuation school, and I now want to do a show or two again :)
[22:51] <holstein> http://butt.sourceforge.net/
[22:51] <inflood> Well, mess with the quality is not really a good thing to do :/
[22:51] <holstein> i think thats the easiest client
[22:51] <inflood> LOL butt xD
[22:51] <inflood> Question: Is it possible to talk to the listeners?
[22:51] <inflood> With a microphone
[22:52] <holstein> but theres idjc in ubuntu
[22:52] <holstein> in idjc there was a mic in
[22:52] <inflood> Which is?
[22:52] <holstein> with a mute
[22:52] <holstein> and 2 sources
[22:52] <holstein> pretty slick
[22:52] <inflood> kewl
[22:52] <holstein> i use darkice now at home
[22:52] <inflood> Is it possible to put the track-sound to 25% or something, so that they can hear you speak while the music is still playing?
[22:52] <holstein> it supports JACK
[22:53] <holstein> inflood: yup
[22:53] <inflood> awesome ^^
[22:53] <holstein> in idjc
[22:53] <inflood> And if I install Ubuntu Server, it automaticly comes with idjc, right?
[22:53] <holstein> i dont think so
[22:53] <inflood> -.-
[22:53] <inflood> But you can install it, right?
[22:53] <holstein> you can do it all on a desktop box though
[22:54] <holstein> you only need an icecast server
[22:54] <holstein> and a client like idjc
[22:54] <inflood> yesh
[22:54] <holstein> you can do it on the same box
[22:54] <inflood> I understood that
[22:54] <holstein> i just dont
[22:54] <holstein> OK
[22:54] <inflood> but does ubuntu come with idjc?
[22:54] <holstein> you can install it
[22:54] <inflood> ok
[22:54] <holstein> i just searched
[22:55] <holstein> and its still in lucid
[22:55] <inflood> kewl
[22:55] <holstein> :)
[22:55] <inflood> so it's standard in lucid?
[22:55] <holstein> you shouldnt have to do anything funky to get it
[22:55] <inflood> and when you say lucid, you mean ubuntustudio?
[22:55] <holstein> just sudo apt-get install idjc
[22:56] <holstein> OR seach idjc from where ever you install packages
[22:56] <inflood> What does that command do?
[22:56] <holstein> that installs idjc
[22:56] <inflood> You know, you have to speak to me like I'm a complete newbie, I've never used Linux before.. Only the linux-ish that exist on my mac, like the terminal :)
[22:56] <holstein> in really any buntu thats using the standard ubuntu software sources (repositories)
[22:56] <holstein> inflood: OH
[22:56] <holstein> yeah
[22:57] <holstein> you dont have to do that
[22:57] <inflood> ^___^
[22:57] <inflood> Do what?
[22:57] <holstein> there is a software center
[22:57] <holstein> and you just search for idjc
[22:57] <holstein> and click install
[22:57] <holstein> in linux
[22:57] <holstein> ubuntu
[22:57] <holstein> all the software comes from repositories
[22:57] <holstein> and you set those up seperately
[22:57] <inflood> oh
[22:57] <holstein> some are set up at install
[22:57] <inflood> okay
[22:57] <inflood> nice
[22:58] <inflood> now I understand ^^
[22:58] <holstein> and everything (updates) come from the same place pretty much
[22:58] <holstein> you are not limitied to this though
[22:58] <inflood> aah, okay ^__^
[22:58] <holstein> you can build things
[22:58] <holstein> or add repos
[22:59] <holstein> BUT in any standare lucid isntall
[22:59] <holstein> deckstop or what ever
[22:59] <holstein> you can just intall idjc and icecast easily
[22:59] <inflood> okay
[22:59] <inflood> sounds great ^^
[22:59]  * holstein gotta take off
[22:59] <inflood> I love Ubuntu. I've tried it once before :)
[22:59] <inflood> But only shortly
[22:59] <holstein> good luck :)
[22:59] <inflood> Noooes! :(
[22:59] <inflood> Where are you located in the world?
[23:00] <holstein> NC
[23:00] <holstein> US
[23:00] <inflood> NC = New York City?
[23:00] <inflood> Or..?
[23:00] <holstein> north carolina
[23:00] <inflood> Aah
[23:00] <inflood> Damnit! >_<
[23:00] <inflood> Every Linux-knowing person I know is living in the US ! :(
[23:00] <holstein> hehe
[23:00] <holstein> where are you?
[23:00] <inflood> And I'm located in Denmark.. So we're like 12 hours apart from each other
[23:01] <inflood> Or I don't know
[23:01] <inflood> what time is it at you?
[23:01] <inflood> 6 am?
[23:01] <holstein> 6pm
[23:01] <inflood> lol , close ^^
[23:01] <holstein> i gotta play a concert
[23:01] <inflood> Aah, okay. Nice
[23:01] <inflood> Which instrument?
[23:01] <holstein> check out http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[23:01] <inflood> It's 0:00 here (12pm)
[23:01] <holstein> theres probaly a team near you :)
[23:01] <holstein> i play bass
[23:01] <inflood> Awesome :D
[23:01] <holstein> acoustic bass
[23:01] <inflood> I play the Piano :)
[23:02] <holstein> nice
[23:02] <inflood> but wait
[23:02] <inflood> I found a danish team
[23:02] <inflood> now what do I use that for?
[23:02] <holstein> check out #opensourcemusicians too
[23:02] <holstein> inflood: you can join the channel
[23:02] <holstein> and find ubuntu users near you
[23:02] <inflood> OMG! :D They have a channel :D
[23:02] <inflood> Awesome! ^^
[23:02] <inflood> But still I might ask you questions, if I'm allowed to? =)
[23:02] <holstein> sure
[23:03] <holstein> but i gotta run now
[23:03] <holstein> i'll be back later :)
[23:03] <infloop> see ya :)
[23:03] <infloop> I'll go to bed, it's really getting late here
[23:03] <infloop> bye