[00:12] <Rorschachdigital> sigh this must be a network thing
[00:12] <Typos_King> ?
[00:13] <Rorschachdigital> i cannot get kismet or aircrack to work
[00:15] <Typos_King> .... I don't use either
[00:15] <Rorschachdigital> which do you use?
[00:15] <Rorschachdigital> if any
[00:15] <Typos_King> use for?
[00:15] <Rorschachdigital> network security
[00:16] <Typos_King> ohh... ahemm... I guess nothing :/
[00:16] <Rorschachdigital> :-O
[00:25] <Rorschachdigital> anyone know of a good dock for kde?
[01:58] <cullen> is this a good place to ask about bugs?
[01:59] <Whammo> i hate bugs
[02:00] <cullen> i keep trying to mount my ipod but kubuntu wont recognize it.
[02:00] <cullen> i check the "DEvices recently plugged in" and nothing shows up.
[02:01] <Whammo> put it in MSC mode
[02:02] <cullen> how would i go about doing that?
[02:03] <Whammo> sorry, don't know ipods, but there should be some option in the device
[02:04] <cullen> cant find anything on the ipod
[02:06] <Whammo> I don't use ipods because they generally require iTunes to do anything with them. any media player with a MSC (media storage class) mode is plug-and-play
[02:07] <jelang> Ah! I just discovered that by right clicking the KDE logo on the panel you can select to toggle between "Kickoff Application Launcher" and "Application Launcher Menu" -- Cool!
[02:28] <Rorschachdigital> whammo you around?
[02:31] <Whammo> Rorschachdigital: hi
[02:33] <maco2> Whammo: ipods dont do usb-mass-storage
[02:33] <maco2> cullen: ipods should work with amarok. have for a few years now
[02:34] <maco2> cullen: unless.... are you using an ipod touch with something older than 10.04?
[02:34] <Whammo> maco2: heh I thought they might include the feature by now
[02:35] <maco2> Whammo: no. thatd be interoperability. how else would apple lock you in then?
[02:35] <Whammo> maco2: idunno, throw a pile of marketing dollars out there?
[02:35] <daedaluz> Opinions, please. :3 http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=125903
[02:40] <Rorschachdigital> sorry about that...i forgot what i was going to ask you :-/
[02:40] <Rorschachdigital> lame..
[02:46] <Rorschachdigital> can anyone recommend a good dock for kde?
[02:47] <Rorschachdigital> mac style stuff
[02:49] <maco2> Rorschachdigital: i think the panel can be used that way...
[02:51] <Rorschachdigital> i haven't seen a way to make it so  but thanks for the tip i'll ask google if anyone has accomplished this
[03:00] <cullen> maco2 im using amarok and kubuntu 10.04, recently upgraded from 9.10
[03:00] <cullen> ipod touch 2nd gen 3.1.3
[03:00] <cullen> when i plug it in the computer doesnt even recognize that its there
[03:00] <cullen> when i plug it in the computer doesnt even recognize that its there
[03:01] <cullen> oops.. anyway the ipod still charges
[03:03] <maco2> do you have libifuse?
[03:03] <maco2> cullen: please report a bug on hmm it's probably usbmuxd
[03:08] <lucas_> Boa noite!
[03:09] <cullen> dunno what libifuse is, or hmm, but ill report it.
[03:09] <lucas_> Good evening! :D
[03:42] <wizardslovak> hello people
[03:42] <wizardslovak> how do i add hard drive to kubuntu 10.04?
[03:43] <wizardslovak> is there any gui partitioner?
[03:52] <goodtime> no there isnt wizardslovak
[03:52] <goodtime> you just gotta make sure that you set your jumpers right
[03:53] <goodtime> t order i think
[03:53] <goodtime> boot*
[04:13] <Rorschachdigital> can anyone perhaps guide me to a better media player than amarok?
[04:16] <goodtime> audacious
[04:17] <goodtime> audacious: Rorschachdigital
[04:17] <goodtime> its a bit like winamp
[04:17] <Rorschachdigital> thank you kindly
[04:17] <goodtime> np
[04:18] <goodtime> xmms is almost the same as audacious
[04:18] <wizardslovak> damn
[04:18] <wizardslovak> i mounted 2nd hard drive but i cant write on disk
[04:19] <wizardslovak> how do i change permissions?>
[04:19] <goodtime> you might need to format the drive with fstab
[04:19] <wizardslovak> no problem , its empty anyways
[04:19] <goodtime> then get permissions after
[04:20] <wizardslovak> fstab? whats the command or is there gui for it?
[04:20] <wizardslovak> i got that PartitionManager
[04:20] <goodtime> command
[04:20] <goodtime> i for get right now
[04:21] <wizardslovak> huh can you settup command for me?
[04:22] <goodtime> i think that you could just use gparted
[04:23] <goodtime> apt-get install gparted
[04:24] <jerome__> can anybody xplain to me what "CD" means, in regards to using "TERMINAL"? thanks
[04:24] <wizardslovak> huh installed it
[04:24] <wizardslovak> but cannot run it
[04:24] <wizardslovak> i need to be root
[04:25] <Rorschachdigital> change directory jerome__
[04:26] <goodtime> one of the oldest commands known to man
[04:26] <goodtime> dir / cd
[04:30] <wizardslovak> ok i got gparted
[04:30] <wizardslovak> how do i change permissionns to ahrd drive?
[04:34] <goodtime> idk i forgot lol
[04:34] <goodtime> sorry
[04:35] <goodtime> im kinda new to linux also
[04:40] <Rorschachdigital> i need a damn dock
[04:44] <DarthFrog>  fstab is not a command, it is a list of partitions and their mount points used by the system at boot time.  The file is /etc/fstab.   It has nothing to do with formatting partitions or file permissions.
[04:45] <DarthFrog> jerome_ : "cd" is a short form of "chdir".  It means "change directory".
[04:46] <DarthFrog> I imagine fstab is representative of "file system table".
[04:47] <DarthFrog> For much more on fstab, issue the command "man fstab". :-)
[04:54] <genoriser> Hello Everyone, Im trying to use Rhythmbox to play my music but when I try to play a song it gives me this error "The autoaudiosink element is missing" I'm running Kubuntu 10.04 64bit does anyone know how to fix this problem?
[05:40] <sylbot> Hey could you help me. I can't find the visual effects option. Like enable and disabling them.
[05:47] <Rorschachdigital> do you have compiz?
[05:47] <Rorschachdigital> hey james
[05:48] <sylbot> Rorschachdigital: I don't know. I can't find it.
[05:48] <sylbot> Is it installed by default?
[05:48] <Rorschachdigital> no youd haave to download it
[05:49] <Rorschachdigital> easiest way would be to go into kpackagekit and search for it
[05:50] <sylbot> Okay thx.
[05:50] <Rorschachdigital> no prob
[05:51] <Rorschachdigital> this i just a shot in the dark but anyone happen to have kooldock?
[05:53] <sylbot> What is it?
[05:53] <sylbot> Osx style dock?
[05:55] <Rorschachdigital> yeah
[06:05] <James147> sylbot: is there anyreason you need compiz? kwin has similar effects built into it
[06:05] <sylbot> I just like the effects. Loom
[06:05] <sylbot> Looks all fancy.
[06:06] <James147> sylbot: do you not like the kwin effects then?
[06:06] <sylbot> What are the kwin effects
[06:06] <sylbot> Are they enabled already?
[06:06] <James147> sylbot: they are installed to enable them go to System settings > desktop effects
[06:07] <Rorschachdigital> hey james
[06:07] <James147> sylbot: for the most part they are simialr to the compiz ones (although I think compiz has more)
[06:07] <sylbot> I have been looking for an effects option. It is not directly under system
[06:07] <sylbot> Or at least I can't find them.
[06:08] <James147> sylbot: sorry, System settings > desktop > desktop effects
[06:08] <sylbot> Err. I click the k and then system settings
[06:08] <sylbot> Oh okay
[06:08] <sylbot> Wish. These are awesome!
[06:08] <sylbot> Woah.
[06:08] <Rorschachdigital> lol
[06:08] <Rorschachdigital> lol
[06:09] <sylbot> Cool. My gpu is supported out of the box.
[06:10] <sylbot> Is it on the latest drivers?
[06:10] <sylbot> I tried to check but got an error
[06:10] <sylbot> No proprietary drivers are being used.
[06:10] <sylbot> Or something like that
[06:11] <James147> sylbot: run "jockey-kde" (hardware drivers in th menu) and if there are any availble for your system it should tell you (what card do you have)?
[06:11] <sylbot> Gtx 260
[06:11] <sylbot> And I don't have Internet.
[06:11] <sylbot> On the kubuntu box
[06:12] <James147> sylbot: you will need the internet to enable the drivers :(
[06:12] <sylbot> Yeah. It's okay. I am getting wifi to work
[06:12] <sylbot> But I'll do that tmmrw.
[06:12] <sylbot> I like moving my window around. It's fun.
[06:13] <Rorschachdigital> james how do you respond with someones name
[06:13] <bazhang> Rorschachdigital, tab complete; type three or so letters then hit tab
[06:14] <James147> bazhang: ^^ on most irc clients
[06:14] <James147> Rorschachdigital: ^^ sorry :)
[06:14] <bazhang> Rorschachdigital, what client
[06:14] <James147> Rorschachdigital: mostlikly it will work though :)
[06:15] <Rorschachdigital> quassel
[06:15] <James147> Rorschachdigital: Then it does
[06:15] <Rorschachdigital> forgive me i dont relay chat much'
[06:15] <Rorschachdigital> James147: ooh
[06:16] <Rorschachdigital> bazhang: thank you
[06:16] <James147> Rorschachdigital: Hitting tab a second time will cycle through the names that start with what you typed
[06:16] <bazhang> Rorschachdigital, no problem :)
[06:17] <James147> Rorschachdigital: most of the time it is smart enough to guess what you mean (it prioritises the last names you typed and I think the last names to ahve said sopmething)
[06:17] <Rorschachdigital> James147: yea it seems to just...know....help...me....run
[06:19] <Rorschachdigital> guys why does kool dock hate me
[06:19] <James147> Rorschachdigital: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12097? that looks like its kde 3.2.x :S
[06:20] <njathan> folks... i am trying to change the default time to boot in grub... but it seems its changed since the last time i used it.. i cannot find a grub.conf or menu.1st :-(
[06:20] <James147> Rorschachdigital: you might conisder Daisy instead http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Daisy?content=102077 (might be in  repos under plasma-widget-daisy)
[06:21] <James147> !grub2 | njathan
[06:22] <James147> njathan: edit /etc/defaults/grub
[06:22] <Rorschachdigital> James147: thank you  heh lets see how thhis one works out
[06:22] <James147> njathan:  then run update-grub
[06:23] <njathan> thanks James147... :-)
[06:25] <Rorschachdigital> James147: lol yeah so starting this..daisy?
[06:26] <James147> Rorschachdigital: right click the desktop (once its installed ofcourse ;) ) -> add widget -> search for "daisy" -> drag it onscreen
[06:26] <James147> Rorschachdigital: everything on the desktop in kde4.x is a widget and can be found the same way (this includes everything on the panel)
[06:28] <Rorschachdigital> lmao it crashed kde
[06:31] <James147> Rorschachdigital: how did you install it? (from the repos or the site?)
[06:35] <Rorschachdigital> James147: not to worry i downloaded it from the repos
[06:35] <Rorschachdigital> its fine now'
[06:36] <Rorschachdigital> James147: like i said earlier  been having too many hiccups
[06:37] <James147> Rorschachdigital: need any help with them?
[06:39] <Rorschachdigital> James147: oh kind sir you have been quite helpful to me today
[06:40] <Rorschachdigital> James147: i cant think of anything offhand i just need to better familiarize myself with kde
[06:40] <James147> Rorschachdigital: :)
[06:53] <Rorschachdigital> James147: do you use daisy?
[06:55] <James147> Rorschachdigital: Havent as of yet (although I just installed it)... dont like how it cannot overlay windows (or at least that I can see)
[06:56] <Rorschachdigital> James147: aye theres an option for that
[06:56] <James147> Rorschachdigital: to let it cover windows with an auto hide?
[06:56] <Rorschachdigital> James147: its in hiding allow other windows to cover?
[06:57] <Rorschachdigital> James147: im wondering why it is vetoing the removial of the icons
[06:58] <James147> Rorschachdigital: Problem is it wont cover windows to makes it all but useless to me unless I have now indows open(which is rare)
[06:58] <James147> Rorschachdigital: and setting it so that windows wont cover it takes up more space then I like
[06:59] <Rorschachdigital> James147: im with you i dont think they thought the hiding and accessabilliy of this dock through enough
[07:00] <James147> Rorschachdigital: you can hit ctrl+F12 to show the dashboard but if you have it at the top of the screen(where I would want it) then it gets covered by the "Hide dashbord" button
[07:01] <Rorschachdigital> James147: ah yeah i see what you mean
[07:01] <James147> Rorschachdigital: would probally be fine wiht having it or the panel, but I find the panel has more to offer (sys as a systray)
[07:02] <Rorschachdigital> James147: im inclined to agree with you i wonder if a systray could be added?
[07:03] <James147> Rorschachdigital: Probally, but I have no clue how long that would take the developers
[07:04] <Rorschachdigital> James147: i heard of this cairo dock as well and its in the repos but i couldnt seem to find it after installing
[07:06] <James147> Rorschachdigital: looks like an application that you can run
[07:06] <Guest21036> Hi World :D
[07:07] <Rorschachdigital> hello
[07:07] <Rorschachdigital> James147: perhaps but the name is unclear and run command cant find it
[07:07] <Guest21036> Where in the world are you Rorschachdigital?
[07:09] <James147> Rorschachdigital: try "cairo-dock" (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CairoDock)
[07:11] <Rorschachdigital> James147: aye no go their either
[07:14] <James147> Rorschachdigital: heres another (fancy tasks) http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Fancy+Tasks?content=99737  (repo: plasma-widget-fancytasks )
[07:17] <James147> Rorschachdigital: but it doent look as functional as daisy :(
[07:17] <Rorschachdigital> James147: im checking it out atm
[07:18] <Rorschachdigital> James147: not worth it?
[07:18] <James147> Rorschachdigital: you can always try it but it has allot less options the daisy
[07:21] <Rorschachdigital> James147: the majority of the sites ive seen seem to recomend this unabtainabl cairso dock
[07:22] <Rorschachdigital> cairo*
[07:28] <Rorschachdigital> James147: splendid news my friend
[07:28]  * James147 lissens
[07:29]  * James147 listen instead :)
[07:29] <Rorschachdigital> James147: i got cairo working you should check it out its quite functional
[07:29] <Rorschachdigital> lol
[08:01] <howard> yjntyjntjryfjh
[08:08] <Rorschachdigital> night all
[08:15] <SkEmO> how can i manage my internet connections on lucid? if i check on the icon it says "unmanaged"
[08:15] <SkEmO> anyone has this issue?
[08:16] <jussi> Is there a way to save the annotations on a pdf in okular?
[08:17] <hagabaka> I think they are saved automatically, but only okular can view them. It doesn't use the same annotation as acrobat
[08:20] <jussi> hagabaka: doesnt seem that way here, I close and reopen and they have gone...
[08:21] <jussi> err
[08:21] <jussi> strike that :P
[08:24] <jussi> hagabaka: so do you know any tools that allow acrobat users to view my annotations
[08:26] <hagabaka> you can use flpsed to add text, but they are not annotations, and its UI is very basic
[08:27] <hagabaka> http://www.gnurou.org/blog/2008/09/09/finally_real_pdf_annotating_under_linux --actually using wine
[08:28] <jussi> hrm
[08:29] <jussi> I wonder, does the real adobe app do them?
[08:29]  * jussi installs...
[08:30] <hagabaka> I think the document needs to be "enabled" for the adobe reader to do it, which I thought ridiculous
[08:30] <jussi> heh
[08:30] <jussi> that is ridiculous, lets see if we can do it...
[08:33] <hagabaka> http://www.hrstc.org/node/31 I haven't tried that instruction for acroread, or Mendeley
[08:34] <hagabaka> good night
[08:35] <solo-pcjc-g31777> Hello.  Is this the right chat room for ubuntu.  If not, how do I connect to #ubuntu?
[08:35] <solo-pcjc-g31777> #ubuntu
[08:47] <SkEmO> knetworkmanager shows as "unmanaged" what does this means?
[08:53] <bdgraue> SkEmO: u can try to delete /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state and restart
[08:53] <SkEmO> it says it doesent exist
[08:53] <bdgraue> i think there is a bug sometimes, if the sytem is not properly shutdown or suspended
[08:54] <bdgraue> hmm
[08:55] <SkEmO> but i can find it manually
[08:55] <SkEmO> besides all the values there are set as true
[08:56] <SkEmO> well the only problem is, i cant connect to the wireless
[08:58] <SkEmO> even sudo restart network-manager doesent work :S
[08:58] <SkEmO> restart: unknown job: network-manager
[08:58] <bdgraue> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/553994
[08:58] <bdgraue> i think this is the bugreport
[09:28] <ScorpKing> !clone | ScorpKing
[10:23] <Fleck> xorg uses 270MB of RAM, is this normal?
[10:24] <well_laid_lawn> no
[10:24] <Fleck> amarok 194MB of RAM
[10:24] <Fleck> krusader 140MB of RAM
[10:24] <Fleck> :/
[10:24] <Fleck> crazy
[10:24] <Fleck> ktorrent 110MB and chrome 100MB
[10:25] <Fleck> well_laid_lawn possible reasons?
[10:25] <Fleck> ok, i have 8GB of ram but i can tell you - everything is laggy and sooo slow :(
[10:25] <well_laid_lawn> maybe muktiple instances of each app - ps aux | grep appname    will tell
[10:27] <Fleck> nope
[10:27] <Fleck> one instances
[10:28] <well_laid_lawn> you could logout/login and it should drop  the mem usage
[10:28] <Fleck> 280MB ram xorg now :(
[10:29] <Fleck> yeah but it keeps going up all the time
[10:29] <Fleck> 281 allready
[10:30] <Fleck> after xorg restart works well for ~20min then starts to lag
[10:30] <Fleck> 283MB...
[10:31] <Fleck> i just dunno how to debug this ;(
[10:31] <well_laid_lawn> must be something to do with the vid card drivers then
[10:31] <Fleck> yeah i think so too
[10:31] <Fleck> i have dula monitor
[10:32] <well_laid_lawn> did you make an xorg.conf?
[10:32] <Fleck> nvidia-settings did, wait, i will paste it
[10:33] <Fleck> http://pastebin.com/66XmpFUk
[10:36] <Fleck> any ideas well_laid_lawn ?
[10:37] <well_laid_lawn> that looks fine afaik
[10:37] <Fleck> i guess i will try to disable 2nd monitor
[10:37] <well_laid_lawn> no wait - why is there no section for the second monito?
[10:38] <well_laid_lawn> *monitor
[10:38] <Fleck> dunno, maybe because xorg "thinks" there is only one, just big
[10:38] <Fleck> ?
[10:38] <Fleck> nvidias xinerama function
[10:38] <well_laid_lawn> are they both the same type?
[10:39] <Fleck> yes
[10:39] <Fleck> the same resolution
[10:39] <well_laid_lawn> k
[10:39] <Fleck> lcds
[10:39] <Fleck> but not the same models
[10:39] <Fleck> one is CTX, one Samsung
[10:41] <well_laid_lawn> it might pay to google for nvidia twinview xorg to see if others have two monitor sections
[10:57] <phoenix_> is anyone there.
[10:58] <well_laid_lawn> most wait to see if the question is something they know so just ask it :]
[10:58] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:58] <amichair> if only they were that patient...
[10:58] <shadeslayer> well_laid_lawn: i was about to say hi and wham hes gone
[10:59] <shadeslayer> i think i know who he is...
[10:59] <Fleck> well_laid_lawn few minutes up and xorg now takes 253MB of RAM
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> Fleck: on a single monitor?
[10:59] <Fleck> no
[10:59] <Fleck> two
[11:00] <Fleck> let me try one monitor...
[11:00] <well_laid_lawn> what did you do? - logout?
[11:00] <Fleck> yes
[11:00] <shadeslayer> hmm.. well one of my gmail contacts has a nick phoenix and his ip does indicate that hes from Delhi :P
[11:00] <Fleck> i should have restart x too?
[11:01] <well_laid_lawn> try a single monitor - if it still happens the try a diff driver
[11:01] <well_laid_lawn> the logout does that afaik
[11:02] <amichair> well_laid_lawn: logout doesn't restart x, at the logout menu there's an option to do that
[11:02] <well_laid_lawn> o
[11:02] <Fleck> ok i will try that
[11:02] <well_laid_lawn> mem use for x went down but then it went back to climbing it seems
[11:03] <amichair> I meant at the login screen, after you've logged out, there's an option to restart X (in the shutdown menu). Not to get the menus confused :-)
[11:03] <well_laid_lawn> :]
[11:09] <Fleck> after restart (updated kubuntu) - i have xorg 25MB, then after i started kmail, kvirc and skype 31MB
[11:10] <Fleck> 33.6MB after krusader starup
[11:12] <well_laid_lawn> so it was the dual monitor setup then fleck?
[11:12] <Fleck> and what is virtuoso-t ?
[11:12] <Fleck> dunno, i have two monitors at the moment
[11:13] <shadeslayer> Fleck: thats the indexed
[11:13] <shadeslayer> *indexer
[11:13] <Fleck> how can i disable it? takes 130MB of RAM
[11:13] <James147> Fleck: virtuoso is the indexer that strigi uses
[11:13] <amichair> it's a resource hog, that's what it is :-P
[11:13] <James147> Fleck: disabled the indexer (system settings > advanced > desktop search )
[11:14] <shadeslayer> Fleck: K > Systemsettings > Desktop Search
[11:14] <Fleck> well_laid_lawn but keeps going up, now 36MB allready
[11:14] <Fleck> ok
[11:14] <Fleck> thank you
[11:14] <shadeslayer> Fleck: you can set the amount of memory its supposed to use
[11:14]  * shadeslayer has it set to 50 MB
[11:14] <James147> Fleck: It should only be using memory while its indexing once its finish it should be fine, it will also disable itsself if toher programs are using the resourcces
[11:17] <Fleck> well_laid_lawn juuhuu, xorg is 150MB now :)
[11:18] <Fleck> ok let me try one monitor
[11:19] <zlatan> Hi everyone!
[11:19] <zlatan> I need some good irc cilent for Kubuntu
[11:19] <zlatan> Quassel looks good but DCC does not work
[11:19] <amichair> zlatan: I like konversation
[11:19] <James147> zlatan: quassel and konversation are the two most used for kde
[11:20] <zlatan> Thanks, I will try Konversation
[11:24] <Fleck> ok now one monitor 31MB at the moment
[11:24] <Fleck> 32MB
[11:25] <Fleck> 35MB
[11:26] <amichair> Fleck: what version of kubuntu/kde are you on?
[11:27] <Fleck> 10.04 latest
[11:27] <Fleck> kde 4.4.2
[11:27] <Fleck> 37MB
[11:27] <amichair> Fleck: and how is your plasma-desktop process doing?
[11:28] <Fleck> 34MB
[11:28] <slow-motion> hi
[11:28] <amichair> I used to have all sorts of memory leaks in xorg/plasma, though finally I think they are over (pending a fix to ktorrent plasmoid)
[11:29] <well_laid_lawn> Fleck: been having a google and it seems some others have had similar issues - using diff vid cards and single or dual monitors - kde seems to be the common factor
[11:43] <Fleck> amichair i have desktop folder view, wheather forecast and color picker
[11:43] <Fleck> that's it
[11:43] <Fleck> nothing else
[11:43] <Fleck> at the moment 39MB RAM xorg takes
[11:45] <Fleck> i have unchecked everything in desktop search - but still have that virtuoso-t thing :/
[11:46] <Fleck> tadaa... xorg just jumped up to 160MB
[11:47] <francesco_> c'è qualcuno esperto in matematica a cui posso chiedere una cosa 2 minuti?
[11:49] <bazhang> !it | francesco_
[11:51] <well_laid_lawn> Fleck: where are you getting the info for the mem X uses?
[11:52] <Fleck> CTRL + ESC
[11:52] <well_laid_lawn> Fleck: can you post the buffers/cache line from   free -m   ?
[11:53] <Fleck> sure
[11:53] <Fleck> http://pastebin.com/hD7gB85F
[11:54] <well_laid_lawn> k - uses alot...
[11:56] <Fleck> k?
[11:57] <Fleck> and i have open kmail, skype, kvirc, konsole and chrome
[11:57] <Fleck> that's it
[11:57] <Fleck> ohh - krusader
[11:57] <Fleck> let me try nv drivers...
[12:12] <jorge> hello good morning
[12:13] <jorge> i have the same problem yet with the audio
[12:13] <jorge> i do not listing anything
[12:15] <James147> !sound | jorge
[12:17] <jorge> i do not have idea how to do that
[12:17] <jorge> James147
[12:34] <Fleck> with nv i have now 123MB but now i have clone view :P
[12:38] <Fleck> anyway - nv driver is soo fast
[12:38] <Fleck> nothing lags
[12:39] <Fleck> perfecto ;)
[12:39] <Fleck> even xorg is now at 124MB :)
[12:42] <Fleck> i haven't seen so fast kde from kde 3.5 i can tell you! :))
[12:54] <Renovatio> hi there, does anybody know how to install a lowlatency kernel on lucid?
[13:00] <Fleck> amichair still here?
[13:00] <Fleck> can i use nv and get somehome working glx?
[13:01] <amichair> Fleck: still here, but I dunno :-/
[13:01] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:01] <shadeslayer> Fleck: of course you must be prepared to test git packages
[13:02] <shadeslayer> Fleck: they will be unstable....
[13:02] <Fleck> ohh
[13:02] <amichair> Fleck: btw my X process is 160M RES, but I don't think it's growing, so it's not a leak
[13:02] <shadeslayer> so if your looking for something stable,forget it :P
[13:02] <Fleck> amichair yeah but after few days i got allready 280MB :D
[13:03] <Fleck> shadeslayer ok, then i will try some more things, and then if nothing works - i will use nv without glx ... because it's sooo faast... :)
[13:03] <amichair> Fleck: are you looking at RES memory or total/virtual/shared memory? I use htop to view the stats
[13:04] <Fleck> not RSS, but RSS is near... shared mem for xorg is noly 10MB
[13:04] <Fleck> *only
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Fleck: hehe
[13:05] <amichair> Fleck: RES is the 'physically taking up space' memory, and is probably what's important to you
[13:05] <Fleck> RES is 74MB
[13:05] <Fleck> at the moment
[13:06] <Guest64102> hey shadey
[13:07] <amichair> Fleck: try to see if it really grows with time or not
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Guest64102: hey :)
[13:08] <Fleck> amichair well i can tell you - at the moment nvidia driver is so slow...
[13:08] <Fleck> really slow
[13:08] <amichair> e.g. my plasma-desktop on karmic used to grow to 1G RES over a couple weeks of use
[13:08] <Fleck> compared to nv
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Hey everyone Guest64102 is one of my friends and hes new to kubuntu
[13:09] <amichair> welcome, Guest64102 :-)
[13:09] <Guest64102> hey ami :-)
[13:09] <Fleck> amichair can you imagine - typing new mail - and letters are not showing up, they later comes on screen :P
[13:09] <James147> Guest64102: Hello and welcome :)
[13:10] <amichair> Fleck: how strange. I'm using nvidia drivers with no such problems
[13:10] <Fleck> but it's not happening with nv driver...
[13:10] <amichair> lucid desktop does feel more snappy to me (mostly window operations), but it's with the same nvidia driver version I had in karmic
[13:10] <James147> Fleck: I use to have osmehting similar when using nvidia with dual monitor and xinerima
[13:11] <Fleck> James147 ok but i tried single mon
[13:11] <Fleck> still the same thing
[13:11] <amichair> I use TwinView
[13:11] <Fleck> brb
[13:11] <James147> Fleck: amichair: I use twin view now as well, was so much better when I switched
[13:11] <mojodojo87> I have a question, if I have always been a windows user would KDE serve me more or Gnome im confused about the two
[13:11] <Guest64102> ok guys now since u know m a newbie pls help me understand this thing :)
[13:12] <James147> Guest64102: Just ask what you want to know :)
[13:12] <shadeslayer> Guest64102: btw you can type half a nickname and press tab to complete it
[13:13] <Guest64102> nick bulldog98
[13:13] <Guest64102> what ?
[13:13] <amichair> Guest64102: you forgot the slash - /nick
[13:13] <shadeslayer> Guest64102: no like, bull<tab>
[13:13] <James147> mojodojo87: Its purly a personal choise, I would try both and use the one you like more
[13:14] <amichair> Guest64102: if you were trying to change your nick, that is :-)
[13:14] <amichair> mojodojo87: it's mostly a matter of taste. I came over from windows xp and enjoy kubuntu. windows vista/7 are just as different from xp as any other OS or desktop nowadays...
[13:14] <Guest64102> it ain't changing
[13:14] <shadeslayer> Guest64102: the nick bulldog98 is already taken :)
[13:15] <James147> mojodojo87: you can install gnome on kuubntu by installing the package "ubuntu-desktop" (or kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu) and selecting which one you want to use at login
[13:15] <shadeslayer> netcruiser: :D
[13:15] <netcruiser> yeah its changed :) thnks
[13:16] <netcruiser> hehe
[13:16] <amichair> welcome, netcruiser :-)
[13:16] <shadeslayer> netcruiser: you might want to register this nick so that only you can use it :)
[13:16] <shadeslayer> !register | netcruiser
[13:16]  * James147 should probally also do that
[13:16]  * amichair as well
[13:17] <shadeslayer> amichair: James147 netcruiser you might also be intrested in cloaks :P
[13:17] <mojodojo87> thanks for the response i am installing kde now to see how i like it
[13:17] <shadeslayer> same faq :)
[13:18] <mojodojo87> I was looking at SUSE and Slackware i swear all these linux versions are like pokemon wanna try them all
[13:18] <James147> shadeslayer: cloaks?
[13:18] <shadeslayer> James147: yes like [GuS]
[13:18] <shadeslayer> James147: ~MysT@unaffiliated/gus/x-663402
[13:18] <[GuS]> =)
[13:19] <shadeslayer> [GuS]: :P
[13:20] <James147> shadeslayer: Might look at that later :)
[13:21] <shadeslayer> James147: yeah,theres a 14 day waiting period for that :P
[13:22] <amichair> ok, registered. Now I have to figure out where to change konversation's config...
[13:24] <Fleck> shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUwnirG5ecs << this is how my kde works ;P
[13:25] <shadeslayer> Fleck: im uploading kdeartwork right now,will watch later :P
[13:25] <Fleck> ok
[13:32] <amichair> 24" should be enough for anyone. bleh.
[13:32] <mojodojo87> well just installed kde and i will say kde beats gnome in my mind its oh how can you say absolutly beautiful
[13:33] <amichair> mojodojo87: you've come to the right channel ;-)
[13:33] <mojodojo87> so am i right by saying ubuntu and kubuntu are the same thing just the different GUI right?
[13:34] <slow-motion> bye
[13:34] <James147> mojodojo87: Basically
[13:34] <amichair> mojodojo87: basically, yeah. GUI being both the desktop environment and some of the default applications.
[13:35] <mojodojo87> how do i make kde use max visual settings :P i love eye candy
[13:36] <skramer_> how to properly set up Amarok & Ampache to get access the Ampache server through Amarok?
[13:36] <skramer_> I already could access the server from my laptop using the webbrowser
[13:36] <skramer_> but in Amarok, it doesn't show anthing
[13:37] <amichair> mojodojo87: you can play with system settings -> desktop -> all effects and pick/configure the ones you like. There's also system settings -> Appearance for themes, colors, etc...
[13:38] <amichair> mojodojo87: wobbly windows is a favorite of mine :-)
[13:39] <mojodojo87> well i selected some stuff and some things came back as unable to start should i restart the pc
[13:40] <amichair> mojodojo87: never happened to me... maybe just deselect them and try one by one
[13:40] <mojodojo87> next what is compositing, and with my ati 4650 1gb card should i use opengl or  xrender
[13:43] <mojodojo87> where is the restart and shutdown options
[13:44] <James147> mojodojo87: in the kmenu under one of the tabs (or as I do it Alt+F2 > type shutdown/reboot :) )
[13:47] <mojodojo87> odd it will not let me enable even wobbly windows keeps saying failed to start
[13:48] <amichair> mojodojo87: which drivers are you using?
[13:48] <mojodojo87> idk what drivers im using on gnome i had ati's drivers installed
[13:50] <crashev> anyone experienced strange kernel panics on kubuntu 10.04 with iwl-4965 wifi driver, usually under higher traffic ? (http://3paste.com/s/1745)
[13:51] <mojodojo87> odd kde restarted itself after i told it to install screensavers lol
[13:53] <mojodojo87> since kde giving me errors should i just try to install kbuntu that way i dont have ubuntu installed?
[14:06] <mojodojo87> cool i figured out why my screen has been flickering on my ati card, it was pluged into crt2 port instead of crt1 why that made a difference idk but it did, but i still can not get kde to turn on different effects just keeps telling me it cant start them
[14:12] <BluesKaj-Laptop> Hiyas all
[14:13] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj-Laptop: hey :)
[14:13] <BluesKaj-Laptop> hi shadeslayer
[14:17] <BluesKaj-Laptop> somebody chastized me for using the -laptop with my nick, accused me of one upmanship or bragging or some such ...just an elcheapo acer for travelling etc , nothing fancy ...strange
[14:22] <Fleck> shadeslayer dunno what - but now works cool
[14:22] <Fleck> i have enabled font aliasing
[14:22] <Fleck> and added some options to xorg.conf
[14:23] <Fleck> now i need to find - what did this huge speed improvement
[14:23] <shadeslayer> Fleck: hehe :)
[14:24] <shadeslayer> Fleck: saved the original files?
[14:24] <shadeslayer> then just do diff -u new.conf old.conf
[14:25] <Fleck> i know what i added
[14:25] <Fleck> but i added more at a time ;)
[14:25] <Fleck> so now i will try to set font aliasing back
[14:25] <Fleck> back to disabled and see what's hapen
[14:26] <Fleck> lol, it's font aliasing
[14:27] <Fleck> when disabled - everything is slow
[14:27] <shadeslayer> mmm... shouldnt that be the other way round?
[14:28] <Fleck> dunno, as i read in forums - when aliasing is disabled - CPU does font rendering wich is slow
[14:30] <Fleck> the problem is - fonts look really uggly with AA turned ON
[14:30] <Fleck> i have allways turned AA off
[14:30] <Renovatio> hi there, does anybody know how to install a lowlatency kernel on lucid?
[14:31]  * shadeslayer only knows how to install new kernels packaged from kernel team
[14:32] <bazhang> Renovatio, a rt kernel?
[14:33] <Renovatio> bazhang - on internet I found it is standard kernel on Ubuntustudio: i don't know if "low latency" and "real time" are same thing
[14:34] <BluesKaj-Laptop> lowlatency ..wow haven't heard that for years in reference to a kernel :)
[14:34] <bazhang> Renovatio, what are you trying to do? audio? something similar?
[14:34] <Renovatio> bazhang yes
[14:34] <bazhang> !info ubuntustudio-desktop
[14:34] <BluesKaj-Laptop> better go ...bbl
[14:37] <Renovatio> bazhang ok, but i don't need ubuntustdio, only realtime kernel
[14:44] <shadeslayer> i thought the kernel _was_ realtime :P
[14:55] <a1csc> Where is the default httpd.conf file for apache 2 when installed on ubuntu server?
[14:55] <a1csc> I want to change the default location of the web pages from /var/www/ to something else..
[14:55] <Pici> a1csc: /etc/apache2/httpd.conf , but its setup to use conf files in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default by default.
[14:56] <Fleck> shadeslayer btw - 20min and xorg only takes 16MB :P
[14:57]  * shadeslayer faints
[14:57] <shadeslayer> Fleck: are you even running a WM ?
[14:57] <Fleck> now would be great to find out - how can i "tell" nvidia to render non antialiased fonts ;/
[14:57] <Fleck> :P
[14:58] <Fleck> sorry - 42MB
[14:58] <Fleck> but not 140:P
[14:58]  * shadeslayer watches xorg eat his RAM
[14:58] <Fleck> shadeslayer have you AA enabled?
[14:58] <shadeslayer> dunno..
[14:59] <Fleck> default is enabled
[14:59] <shadeslayer> then enabled it is :P
[14:59] <Fleck> white fonts on black background looks so bad :( when AA is enabled
[14:59] <shadeslayer> Fleck: are you counting the virtual,resident and shared memory as a total of 42 MB?
[15:00] <Fleck> RSS ir 57
[15:00] <Fleck> *is
[15:23] <a1csc> ok i changed the apache 2 conf file and 000-default to point to a diff directory, but now when i access the webserver from localhost to test it it says forbidden
[15:24] <a1csc> anyone have any ideas?  i changed the directory from /var/usr/WWW to /home/computer/WWW
[15:34] <a1csc> Anyone here?
[15:36] <James147> a1csc: lots of people are :) most are just listening in the background. If you have a question someone will probally answer it :)
[15:36] <a1csc> I have asked a question, no response tho
[15:36] <a1csc> I can't figure it out :(
[15:37] <James147> a1csc: you might want to try asking in #ubuntu you might find more luck there. Afraid I dont know much about apache (and looks like no one else here does :S )
[15:51] <student> hi
[15:52] <chuckf> a1csc: did you change permissions on /home/computer/WWW to be readable by apache?
[15:53] <a1csc> how do i do that?
[15:54] <geos_de> hi
[15:55] <geos_de> I've installed some self-compiled kernel modules and now I want to have the original ones.
[15:56] <a1csc> how do change permissions to be readable by apache?
[15:56] <bobbert_> join #bmoreonrails
[15:56] <chuckf> a1csc: check the permissions on /var/usr/WWW and apply the same to /home/computer/WWW using chown or similar depending on the situation
[15:56] <geos_de> how ist /lib/modules/2.6.32-22-generic/ filled again by the packet manager?
[15:56] <geos_de> just install the kernel image?
[15:57] <geos_de> again?
[15:58] <a1csc> i can't, i don't see root as a option to set permissions
[15:58] <chuckf> a1csc: use sudo
[15:58] <a1csc> How?
[15:58] <a1csc> in terminal? do sudo chown and what?
[16:01] <chuckf> in terminal, do sudo chown user:group /home/computer/WWW to match the user and group of the /var/usr/WWW directory
[16:02] <a1csc> invalid user
[16:03] <chuckf> can you pastebin the permissions of the /var/usr/WWW directory and the command and output of your chown command?
[16:03] <a1csc> arg
[16:03] <a1csc> how?
[16:05] <chuckf> how what? to use pastebin? http://pastebin.ca
[16:06] <tsimpson> a1csc: apache runs as www-user, so any file needs to be readable to www-data
[16:06] <tsimpson> and it should be /var/www (not /var/usr/WWW)
[17:03] <zeltak> hi guys. anyone know of a way to add merge my deleted windowz partition to my current /home partition?
[17:04] <Torch> zeltak: what do you mean by "add merge"? and if it 's deleted, it's gone, right?
[17:05] <zeltak> i wanna delete my win partition and add the space to the current home partition
[17:05] <zeltak> is that possibie?
[17:05] <Torch> zeltak: yes
[17:05] <Torch> zeltak: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/extragear-sysadmin/partitionmanager/index.html
[17:06] <Torch> zeltak: the app is installable, but you cannot resize your home partition as long as it is mounted.
[17:06] <zeltak> hmmm so i need to boot up with a live cd..install it and then do the procedure?
[17:07] <Torch> zeltak: so you're probably better off using the CD version: http://sourceforge.net/projects/partitionman/files/
[17:07] <Torch> zeltak: exactly. you could also boot from the kubuntu dvd/cd and install kde partition manage in the live system. it's not, however, on the cd/dvd.
[17:08] <zeltak> hmm cool. just wondering (though im a huge kde fanboy) since doing that procedure isnt kde related is there maybe a livecd with tools already included that would be simpler?
[17:08] <James147> zeltak: if you go down the kubuntu live cd route make sure you update the package lists first (sudo aptitude update)
[17:08] <Torch> zeltak: see the link i posted to sourceforge
[17:08] <Torch> zeltak: that is your live cd
[17:09] <zeltak> ahh gothca..k thx torch ill look into it :0
[17:09] <James147> zeltak: using the kubuntu cd is as easy as booting it and running "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install partitionmanager" then launching the partition manager
[17:10] <zeltak> hmmm gothca so its in the repos
[17:10] <James147> zeltak: it is
[17:10] <zeltak> cool, and it wont screw my home drive right?
[17:10] <James147> zeltak: there is also gparted in the repos (a gtk version)
[17:10] <Torch> zeltak: there's always a risk involved in this.
[17:11] <Torch> zeltak: if you want 100% safety, don't mess with your partitions.
[17:11] <zeltak> heheh i see.. :)
[17:11] <James147> zeltak: make sure you back up anything important, it is unlikly to screw up but there is a chance
[17:11] <zeltak> i mean i have this 60 GB win partiton i never use on my HD and im getting low on space on my /home dir
[17:11] <zeltak> James147: yeah will do..i just have a shitload of stuff to backup
[17:12] <Torch> zeltak: you could also just make a file system on that partition and mount it somewhere.
[17:12] <Torch> zeltak: that's completely risk-free
[17:12] <Torch> zeltak: and would not require booting a live cd.
[17:12] <James147> Torch: zeltak: thats not "completely" risk free... the software wont screw up but you can always delete the wrong partition by mistake :)
[17:12] <zeltak> hmmm maybe ill do that..ill see..i do preffer to expand home but maybe ill just do that untill my /home dir is 100% backedup
[17:13] <Torch> James147: under that assumption you shouldn't turn on your pc, though ;-)
[17:13] <zeltak> k thx guys..ill give it some thoght..appriciate the help!
[17:14] <James147> Torch: :) its jsut a warning to be careful
[17:37] <Rorschachdigital> hey guys
[17:39] <rork> hi
[17:41] <Rorschachdigital> anyone a fan of kismet?
[17:53] <DarthFrog> kismet?
[17:57] <Rorschachdigital> wireshark?
[18:06] <a1csc> I still can't get this thing to have the proper permissions for apache
[18:19] <hyper_ch> hi there, I have something strange happening to me:  the network manager got disabled
[18:20] <shadeslayer> hyper_ch: ok you probably need to get the daemon running again,press alt+F2 > kded > check for nm
[18:21] <hyper_ch> shadeslayer: what to look for? network status daemon: running,  network watcher: running
[18:22] <shadeslayer> hmm...
[18:22] <hyper_ch> the network applet is running
[18:22] <shadeslayer> then? you cant see networks right?
[18:22] <hyper_ch> when I click on it, I get a greyed out popup:  Network management disabled
[18:22] <hyper_ch> I needed to enable eth0 in the interfaces file to get a connection at all
[18:23] <shadeslayer> hyper_ch: yeah ive seen this,though cant remember how to fix it
[18:23] <hyper_ch> by installing wicd? ^^
[18:24] <hyper_ch> finally I actually like the network manager and now for some strange reasons, it did not want to start anymore
[18:24] <James147> hyper_ch: first turn off network-manager (sudo service network-manager stop)
[18:24] <hyper_ch> James147: I'm still not used to "service" ..... :) ok, it's stopped
[18:25]  * hyper_ch huggles the good old /etc/init.d/xxx
[18:25] <James147> hyper_ch: then delete /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state (or change "NetworkingEnabled=false" to true)
[18:25] <James147> hyper_ch: then start network-manager again
[18:26]  * hyper_ch gives James147 a very, very, very big cookie
[18:26] <hyper_ch> James147: what happened?
[18:26]  * James147 eats the cookie
[18:27] <hyper_ch> you know what happened there?
[18:27] <James147> hyper_ch: did that work?
[18:27] <hyper_ch> James147: it did... otherwise you wouldn't have gotten a cookie
[18:27] <James147> hyper_ch: I think it got disabled for some reason (might have something to do with syspend doing something funky) and dident get reenabled
[18:28] <hyper_ch> oh, I think I know what might have caused it
[18:28] <James147> hyper_ch: what?
[18:29] <James147> hyper_ch: (I was only guessing would like to know what can cause it)
[18:29] <hyper_ch> James147: I did tell kubuntu to power off and then shut the lid of my netbook... I noticed now at home that it didn't properly shut down and started doing so agai once I opened the lid again
[18:30] <hyper_ch> and I think when running on batteries the behaviour upon closing the lid is to suspend
[18:30] <James147> hyper_ch: yeah, think that can cause it... networking gets disabled by suspend but suspend dosnt resume properly due to the system shutting down
[18:30] <hyper_ch> so there might have been a complication there
[18:30] <hyper_ch> first time I've seen that... do you mind if I mention you in my blog?
[18:31] <James147> hyper_ch: sure :)
[18:31] <hyper_ch> you do mind?
[18:31] <James147> hyper_ch: if you send me a link ;)
[18:32] <hyper_ch> :)
[18:32] <James147> hyper_ch: I dont mind
[18:32] <hyper_ch> I actually have to blog entries to make
[18:32] <hyper_ch> forgot to make one yesterday
[18:32] <hyper_ch> maybe you like the other one also :)
[18:34] <James147> hyper_ch: :)
[18:34] <James147> hyper_ch:  do you ahve a link?
[18:35] <hyper_ch> James147: the one I forgot yesterday:  http://www.simplylinux.ch/repogen-update-jetzt-auch-mit-maverick
[18:40] <a1csc> This is driving me nuts
[18:41] <a1csc> All I want to do is switch the god damn folder that the website is in...
[18:47] <hyper_ch> James147: http://www.simplylinux.ch/wenn-der-netzwerk-manager-streikt
[18:50] <chuckf> hyper_ch: check out https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-de.org-website/+bug/514775 for more details on that bug you hit
[18:51] <hyper_ch> chuckf: :)
[18:52] <hyper_ch> I hate it when bugs hit me :)
[18:53] <chuckf> I hate it when I have to tell my wife 'it wasn't something you did' after asking her what she did to cause it...
[18:54] <hyper_ch> chuckf: just blame windows :)
[18:54] <hyper_ch> chuckf: you're free to check out my repo generator tool also :)
[18:55] <chuckf> hyper_ch: she was hit by that networking bug in kubutnu the other night so it really wasn't windows
[18:56] <hyper_ch> you could have told her that bill gate's ghost is still in that machine
[18:57] <snarkster> has anyone been able to xdmcp working with kdm?
[18:57] <snarkster> Im getting fonts issues
[19:09] <mojodojo87> does anyone know if this laptop would be good for kubuntu http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644570897&parentCategoryId=16154
[19:10] <ikonia> mojodojo87: check the hardware support, that's the key
[19:11] <hyper_ch> mojodojo87: just go into a computer shop and start the live cd on a display model :)
[19:11] <mojodojo87> also SSD's seem to be the next generation hard drives anyone have any experience with these, i mean idk how good they are speed wise, graphs just dont beat real people reviews
[19:12] <mojodojo87> your right hyper a I forgot that i could just start the live cd most places dont mind if you do that lol thats actually a great idea
[19:29] <snarkster> ok so no one knows what xdmcp is??
[19:29] <hyper_ch> James147: the blog entry ok?
[19:29] <James147> hyper_ch:  yup :)
[19:29] <hyper_ch> James147: and your opinion to my repogen?
[19:30] <jelang> I was surprised last night to find that you can right click the KDE logo on the panel and select Menu Editor. You can also toggle between Application Launcher Menu and Kickoff Application Launcher. I think this is great.
[19:30] <hyper_ch> jelang: right-click for menu editor was also there in 3.5 IIRC
[19:32] <James147> hyper_ch: not entirly sure what it is :S
[19:33] <hyper_ch> James147: http://repogen.simplylinux.ch :)
[19:33] <hyper_ch> James147: I'm sure you can figure that out :)
[19:33] <James147> hyper_ch: yup, nice :)
[19:34] <hyper_ch> James147: :)
[19:35] <mojodojo87> how to i open up the cube look when switching desktops i have it enabled but dont know how to open it
[19:35] <hyper_ch> what key combo did you assign to it?
[19:36] <snarkster> F10
[19:36] <James147> mojodojo87: you set it to be the effect to take place when you change desktops and there is a shortcut key associated with it (cant rember waht it is though)
[19:36] <mojodojo87> i dont know what my shortcut key is for the change desktop thing
[19:38] <James147> mojodojo87: ctrl+F1-12  do just switch desktops ctrl+F11 to open the cube in mouse mode
[19:40] <James147> mojodojo87: note: for the ctrl+F1-xx you need to set the System settings > Desktop > desktop effects > "Effect for desktop switching" to th e cube
[19:41] <mojodojo87> thanks james ctrl f11 worked :P
[19:41] <mojodojo87> some of my friends are so jellous at all the wonderful things and look of linux
[19:54] <zeltak> Torch: James147 : still there?
[19:55] <zeltak> i booted with a live cd..deleted the old win partition but i cant find a way to add it to the existing /home partition :(
[19:55] <zeltak> used both gparted and the kde one but with no sucess..any ideas?
[19:56] <hyper_ch> zeltak: what do you mean you can't find a way to add the /home partition?
[19:56] <jelang> Add what to the existing /home partition?
[19:57] <hyper_ch> ah, you want to enlarge the home partition with that deleted win partition?
[19:57] <zeltak> yup hyper_ch
[19:57] <hyper_ch> zeltak: pastebin the output of   sudo fdisk -l
[19:57] <James147> zeltak: yup
[19:57] <James147> zeltak: you should be able to "resize" the partition
[19:57] <James147> zeltak: the partition might need to be next to each other
[19:57] <James147> zeltak: if they are not you will probally need to move the other partitions around (that could take a long time)
[19:57] <FloodBotK3> James147: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:58] <DarthFrog> zeltak: Have you tried using partitionmanager?  The documentation specifically addresses your issue.
[19:58] <zeltak> http://pastebin.ca/1878592
[19:59] <zeltak> DarthFrog: can you paste the doc link by any chance?
[19:59] <hyper_ch> ahem, I don't think you can add it just like that to enlarge it
[20:00] <zeltak> mmm bummer :(
[20:00] <DarthFrog> zeltak: http://docs.kde.org/development/en/extragear-sysadmin/partitionmanager/index.html
[20:00] <hyper_ch> zeltak: well, it should be possible.... you need to resize things... and the win partition is not gone yet
[20:00] <James147> hyper_ch: zeltak: you can, but the free space need to be beside the partition you want to enlarge
[20:01] <zeltak> gotcha
[20:01] <jelang> Does the free space have to immediately follow what you are enlarging?
[20:01] <DarthFrog> Exactly.  The free space must be contiguous with the partition you want to expand.
[20:01] <hyper_ch> you might be required to conduct multiple size adjustements
[20:01] <DarthFrog> jelang: Before or after, but contiguous.
[20:02] <hyper_ch> and then you'll also need need to re-install grub
[20:02] <jelang> ah
[20:02] <James147> zeltak: What you need to do is delete the win partition, move the other partition into the free space untill the free space is by the drive you want to expand and the resize the partiotion (note moving will take along time)
[20:02] <zeltak> so if the win partiton is sda2 and home is sda7 i need to "move" sda2 to sda6 oram i completly out of it?
[20:02] <DarthFrog> partitionmanager can copy a partition.  Thus you can use it to move partitons around to free up contiguous space.
[20:02] <James147> zeltak: Or you can delete it formate it and use it as an extra partition
[20:02] <hyper_ch> win is sda1
[20:03] <zeltak> actaully it wsa both sd1 and sda2..win7 creates a boot partiton on sda1
[20:03] <zeltak> and installs on sda2 (which i deleted)
[20:03] <hyper_ch> zeltak: your fdisk -l shows sda1 as windows and sda2 as linux
[20:03] <zeltak> can i also delete sda1 or is the kubuntu boot stuff there
[20:03] <zeltak> yeah i deleted sda2 and formated it to ext4
[20:03] <hyper_ch> you can deleted it but you'll require to reinstall grub on there
[20:04] <zeltak> ahh ok so for now ill keep it
[20:04] <zeltak> so being very confused...again..how do i "move" the sda2 partition to be next to sda7?
[20:05] <hyper_ch> you need to delete it
[20:05] <James147> zeltak: there should be a move option in partitionmanager
[20:05] <hyper_ch> then you'll have empty space
[20:05] <zeltak> ok so 1)delete sda2 completly
[20:05] <hyper_ch> James147: you can just move it?
[20:05] <James147> hyper_ch: deleteing it isent required, you can move it
[20:05] <Izinucs> How do I get Akonadi server running before Kontact loads?
[20:05] <Izinucs> on boot that is
[20:06] <hyper_ch> James147: sda2 is primary... as is sda1... the rest are extended ones
[20:06] <hyper_ch> you're sure you can just move it around?
[20:07] <zeltak> i tried to move it before bit it just gave me a resize option i think
[20:07] <James147> hyper_ch: you should be able to mode the primarays around (the extended will have to move togeather
[20:07] <James147> zeltak: hmm
[20:07] <hyper_ch> James147: well, don't know if that works... it's been ages since I used the partitioner
[20:08] <hyper_ch> but my suggestion is to (1) delete sda 1 and 2 (if neither are wanted anymore) and then start resizing the extended partition
[20:08] <James147> hyper_ch: have only used to it do stuff with pirmary, I tend to stay away form extended :S
[20:08] <jelang> Windows frequently has a recovery partition and a production partition. I think that your sda1 was the recovery partition and sda2 was the production partition.
[20:08] <hyper_ch> resizing back and forth until you have the final desired sizes
[20:08] <zeltak> jelang: yeah i think so to
[20:08] <zeltak> hyper_ch: resizing all the time sounds complicated
[20:09] <zeltak> man im confused LOL
[20:09] <hyper_ch> zeltak: you have backup of your important data?
[20:09] <jelang> any partition number greater than 5 is a "logical" partition within the sda5 extended partition.
[20:09] <zeltak> yop
[20:09] <James147> zeltak: yeah, backup anything important
[20:09] <hyper_ch> zeltak: then you have nothing to worry about :)
[20:09] <zeltak> James147: hyper_ch did that :)
[20:09] <jelang> You cannot readily move in and out of the extended partition.
[20:10] <James147> jelang: but can you expand/move the extended block?
[20:10] <jelang> I think so
[20:10]  * James147 is tempted to test it in a vm
[20:11]  * hyper_ch starts taunting James147 until he tests it in a vm
[20:11] <zeltak> heheh :)
[20:12] <jelang> I was recently partitioning a usb thumb drive. Lots of fun and games!
[20:12]  * James147 think testing it on a flash drive would be easier :)
[20:14] <jelang> fdisk did not like the thumb drive. Partitionmanager and gparted both saw it as a single partition of the whole drive.
[20:14] <James147> jelang: found one with an old live cd on it will reformat it and try :)
[20:15] <zeltak> should i try anything in the meantime?
[20:15] <jelang> I succeeded at long last
[20:15] <jelang> with fdisk that is
[20:16] <jelang> It mounted as sdc rather than sdc1 before the repartitioning
[20:21] <James147> zeltak: jelang: It works and is simple with partition manager
[20:21] <lovre> hi a
[20:21] <lovre> hi a
[20:22] <zeltak> really..so should i boot up with a live cd and apt-get partition manager and try it there?
[20:22] <lovre> how do i compile a program source?
[20:22] <Pici> !compile
[20:22] <lovre> Pici: thank you
[20:22] <hyper_ch> James147: we're waiting for a screencast
[20:22] <James147> zeltak: yes (just run sudo apt-get update first)
[20:22] <Pici> lovre: you're welcome.
[20:23] <zeltak> kk James147 will try it now...hope it works..thx again
[20:23] <James147> hyper_ch: screen shot? if you really want...
[20:23] <hyper_ch> James147: screencast.... record your desktop while you're doing that resizing and give the video to zeltak
[20:23] <James147> hyper_ch: ahh, that makes more sence :)
[20:23] <James147> hyper_ch: zeltak: give me a min
[20:24] <zeltak> kk cool np
[20:24] <hyper_ch> 59
[20:24] <hyper_ch> 58
[20:24] <hyper_ch> 57
[20:24] <hyper_ch> 56
[20:24] <zeltak> ;-)
[20:24] <FloodBotK3> hyper_ch: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:24] <hyper_ch> *ggg*
[20:24] <Pici> hyper_ch: please stop that.
[20:24] <James147> hyper_ch: lol
[20:27] <lovre> Pici: i have no configure script in the folder, there is however a Config.mk file, that seems to be make config file, but this topic is not covered.... What do i do now?
[20:27] <Pici> lovre: Is there a README or INSTALL file in that directory.
[20:27] <lovre> Pici: yes, but README file covers only windows installation...
[20:27] <Pici> lovre: What software is this for?
[20:28] <lovre> Pici: Ponyprog.. check it out at: http://www.lancos.com/prog.html
[20:31] <Pici> lovre: The 2.07c beta tarball on their website has an INSTALL file that has linux instructions.
[20:32] <Pici> Also, have you looked for an avr programmer in the software repositories? At a glance I see a few in there.
[20:33] <lovre> Pici: i havent since i have hardware setup by instructions for this specific one, im not sure if it woud work with any other....
[20:34] <lovre> Pici: seems i have downloaded the oldest 1.17 version :(/
[20:35] <lovre> Pici: what is V? INSTALL says that i should set variabe HOMEV to my v absolute path...
[20:37] <Pici> lovre: The v folder suggets that its some sort of c++ framework, see the Readme in that folder.
[20:37] <lovre> Pici: why is it so hard to install a simple program.. nvm.. how do i find out my "current kernel headers" ?
[20:38] <Pici> lovre: Because you're compiling it from source.  Install the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package
[20:41] <James147> hyper_ch: :( dam it failed to record the video, what would you recomend for it?
[20:42] <hyper_ch> James147: I think I used recorditnow the last time
[20:45] <lovre> Pici: lots and lots of errors... i will never get this running
[20:46] <lovre> i dont understand why there couldnt be a binary version for download. for me, this is like the program doesnt exist...
[20:46] <lovre> cuz i cant get it to work. not now not ever.
[20:49] <James147> hyper_ch: where do you recomend I upload it?
[20:50] <hyper_ch> James147: don't have space?
[20:50] <hyper_ch> how about youtube?
[20:50] <James147> hyper_ch: kk
[20:54] <a1csc> how do i make something start at startup, like sudo ./sc_serv
[20:56] <hyper_ch> a1csc: make an init script, put that script into /etc/init.d and then run update-rc.d scriptname defaults
[20:56] <a1csc> huh
[20:57] <hyper_ch> sc_serv -> starcraft server?
[20:57] <a1csc> No, shoutcast server
[20:57] <hyper_ch> and you want to start it at every boot?
[20:57] <a1csc> i need to run sudo ./sc_serv and sudo ./sc_trans_linux automaticlly
[20:58] <hyper_ch> and you want to start it at every boot?
[20:58] <a1csc> it would be sudo /var/www/sc_serv and sudo /var/www/sc_trans_linux actually right?
[20:58] <a1csc> yes
[21:00] <hyper_ch> run:  sudo nano /etc/init.d/shoutcast.sh   and add that:  http://www.pastebin.ca/1878640
[21:00] <hyper_ch> then run:  sudo chmod 0755 /etc/init.d/shoutcast.sh
[21:01] <hyper_ch> tne run:  sudo chown root.root /etc/init.d/shoutcast.sh
[21:01] <hyper_ch> then go into the dir:   cd /etc/init.d/
[21:01] <hyper_ch> and then run:   sudo update-rc.d shoutcast.sh defaults
[21:01] <hyper_ch> pastebin the output of the last one
[21:08] <a1csc> Almost done Hyper
[21:08] <a1csc> http://pastebin.org/316522
[21:08] <a1csc> k all set
[21:09] <hyper_ch> looks good... now at reboot it should auto-run that script as root and hence start the server and the other binary
[21:12] <James147> hyper_ch: dosnt seem to want to capture properly :(
[21:13] <hyper_ch> hmmm, there are other screen caputre programs
[21:13] <kieren> Hey, does anyone know where the .menu file is that stores the xml info for KMenu?
[21:13] <hyper_ch> one is called istanbul or byzanz... something like that
[21:13] <Torch> zeltak: still having issues?
[21:13]  * Torch is back for a sec or two.
[21:13] <hyper_ch> kieren: my guess is somewhere in ~/.kde/share/ somewhere
[21:14] <kieren> There are no .menu files in there
[21:15] <hyper_ch> are you sure they are called .menu files?
[21:15] <hyper_ch> shouldn't it rather be .dekstop?
[21:15] <kieren> No, but everything I read seems to think it is
[21:15] <kieren> Well maybe if I explain my problem...
[21:16] <James147> hyper_ch: bah I am to tired to try and make this work now :p
[21:16] <hyper_ch> cat sleep > /dev/brain
[21:16] <kieren> I have created a desktop file for my application and placed it in /usr/share/applications. That worked fine and showed my application in the menu with the icon
[21:16] <hyper_ch> :)
[21:16]  * James147 falls asleep
[21:17] <kieren> I have now changed the icon and installed it but KMenu seems to show the old image, even though it doesn't exist anymore
[21:18] <James147> kieren: it has caahed it somewhere, cant remember how to flush its buffers though :S
[21:18] <kieren> Using KMenu editor If I click on the icon it updates to the new one but this doesn't change anything in KMenu
[21:18] <kieren> Yeah, that's what I assume
[21:18] <kieren> But I can't find any settings/cache
[21:27] <zeltak> Torch: yup
[21:27] <zeltak> James147: i tried partition manager but no go
[21:28] <James147> zeltak: why ddient it work?
[21:28] <zeltak> i think it has to do with the fact that /home is an extended partition
[21:28] <James147> zeltak: (needs to be run as root "kdesudo partitionmanager")
[21:28] <zeltak> James147: yeah i know
[21:29] <zeltak> it didnt let me move partitions
[21:29] <James147> zeltak: I was able to move the extended partition fine (enlarged the base of the exdended partition then move the partitions inside it
[21:29] <hyper_ch> +wiping and reinstalling might be faster
[21:29] <James147> hyper_ch: there is that :)
[21:29] <zeltak> anychance you c an make screens/video of that?
[21:29] <James147> zeltak: I can do screen if you want, but the screen recorder failed on me :S
[21:30] <zeltak> yeah i may just end up cloneing the  root partiton to a new primary partition delete the /home alltogheter and then create a big new /home
[21:30] <zeltak> James147: screens would be cool if you dont mind
[21:37] <James147> zeltak: Start of the process: http://imagebin.org/100328
[21:38] <James147> zeltak: Delete the first partition: http://imagebin.org/100329
[21:39] <James147> zeltak: Move the second partition: http://imagebin.org/100330
[21:40] <zeltak> cool
[21:41] <zeltak> but move it where?
[21:41] <James147> zeltak: Extend the edtended partition (note sdd3 in this case)
[21:41] <James147> http://imagebin.org/100331
[21:41] <James147> zeltak: Move it to the space created from the first deleted partition
[21:42] <zeltak>  hmmm i see
[21:43] <zeltak> so extend the extended partition, then add space to the /home partition?
[21:43] <James147> zeltak: Move the first logical partition: http://imagebin.org/100333
[21:44] <James147> zeltak: Extend the last partition: http://imagebin.org/100334  (or do this when the free space is next to the partition you want to extend)
[21:46] <James147> zeltak: After: http://imagebin.org/100336  then click apply (note clicking apply will start to move everything around, it took about 5 mins to complete on a 1gig stick that was empty... it will probally take servial hours on a real hd)
[21:46] <zeltak> gotcha
[21:46] <zeltak> ok thx James147 ill try that
[21:47] <hyper_ch> and you'll jneed to update / reinstall grub after having finished
[21:47] <zeltak> even though grub is on sda1?
[21:47] <James147> !grub2 | zeltak
[21:48] <James147> zeltak: just to make sure follow that guide (the part about installing it from a live cd)
[21:48] <hyper_ch> zeltak: well, if after reboot it doesn't work anymore, then you'll know you need to update / reinstall grub
[21:48] <zeltak> man i may just end up starting from scratch..may even save time ;-)
[21:48] <prefrontal> how can I up the bass? isn't there an equalizer somewhere?
[21:49] <James147> zeltak: (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD)
[21:49] <zeltak> anyway thx guys for the help! appriciate it!
[21:49] <James147> zeltak: Might do :)
[21:50] <James147> zeltak: In linux you can do just about everything anyway you like... just soemtimes the "windows way" is quickest ;)
[21:50] <zeltak> heheh yeah true point
[21:50] <hyper_ch> reinstalling linux is way much less work than reinstalling windows
[21:50] <zeltak> k thx again
[21:50] <hyper_ch> save the list of installed packages, save the configs and you're good
[21:51] <zeltak> yup. k thx again.later guys
[21:51] <James147> hyper_ch: I know, but a reinstall when something goes wrong is a windows think to do... and it doent give you much choise most the time about it. You can normaly fix the problem in linux (although sometimes a reinstall is quicker)
[21:52] <hyper_ch> well, heavily messing around with partitions isn't just "something goes wrong"
[21:52] <hyper_ch> btw, you know the sfdisk utility?
[21:52] <James147> hyper_ch: No but its a case where a reinstall is easier then trying to "fix" it
[21:53] <James147> hyper_ch: not use it before, i tend to use fdisk
[21:54] <James147> hyper_ch: or graphical :)
[21:54] <hyper_ch> sfdisk is nice to copy partition scheme of one harddisk to another one
[21:54] <hyper_ch> I use it when i setup new raid disks
[21:55] <James147> anyway I should probally go to bed, I have been up way too long
[21:58] <zeltak> actually another question if you dont mind. if i just want to mount the deleted partition as a mount under home as someone suggested how would i do that?
[21:59] <zeltak> instead of reinsatlling ill just mount it in addition to home as another drive. how would i do that so that i dont need root permissions to copy/add like /home?
[22:00] <hyper_ch> !mount
[22:00] <hyper_ch> !fstab
[22:02] <zeltak> hyper_ch: can i mount the partition UNDER /home/zeltak as a folder?
[22:02] <hyper_ch> you can
[22:02] <zeltak> how do i do it through the fstab?
[22:03] <jelang> kieren: In the KDE Menu Editor if you select the menu item you want to alter, the icon is to the right of the name and description fields. Left click that icon and then choose the new icon you want to use. Finally click "OK" and you should have a new icon.
[22:03] <hyper_ch> !fstab
[22:04] <zeltak> hyper_ch: ive read that but i wonder how it gets to be like /home so you dont need root permissions to read/write
[22:05] <hyper_ch> zeltak: there are link with further ifo
[22:05] <zeltak> kk thx again
[22:22] <Andrew129> hi! can anyone tell which sound driver kubuntu 10.04 uses by default?
[22:29] <BluesKaj-Laptop> Andrew129, it uses the alsa kernel source driver
[22:30] <Andrew129> BluesKaj-Laptop: thanks! that's an odd thing, someone just told me in #ubuntu that kubuntu uses pulseaudio as kubuntu..
[22:30] <Andrew129> as ubuntu*
[22:31] <BluesKaj-Laptop> Andrew129,pulseaudio is an extra layer of audio processing which may not be necessary on your setup ,depending on the soundcard.
[22:33] <DarthFrog> I've not seen pulseaudio be anything but a problem.
[22:34] <DarthFrog> Andrew129: Kubuntu uses Phonon.  It can also use pulseaudio.
[22:34] <BluesKaj-Laptop> Andrew129, alsa is the default driver which works with most soundcards altho intel sound chips have some "issues" , which have to be solved .There are some tutorial workarounds for thos probs
[22:34] <DarthFrog> Basically, sound on linux is a cluster-fsck.
[22:37] <BluesKaj-Laptop> i wish there was a clear explanation on which role phonon and alsa play in the sound setup.
[22:37] <hyper_ch> the make the sound come out of your speakers :)
[22:38] <DarthFrog> ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) is the low-level system that controls the hardware.
[22:38] <hyper_ch> that's as much detail as I need :)
[22:38] <BluesKaj-Laptop> no they don't , the audio amp does that :)
[22:38] <DarthFrog> Phonon is a higher-level layer that provides sound services to KDE apps.
[22:38] <DarthFrog> !phonon
[22:38] <DarthFrog> Hmm.  Botty doesn't know about Phonon.
[22:39] <BluesKaj-Laptop> another pulseaudio type layer of processing ?
[22:39] <DarthFrog> I'm not sure of the relationship between Phonon and PulseAudio.  Other than Pulse usually bollixes up the works.
[22:44] <BluesKaj-Laptop> !info phonon
[22:44] <Andrew129> thanks!
[22:45] <Andrew129> oh can you advice me which sound driver has the better output quality?
[22:48] <BluesKaj-Laptop> Andrew129, less is more in audio , if you don't mind not running more than one audio source at a time , the simplest is best , the fewer layers of processing sound servers the better the quality
[22:49] <BluesKaj-Laptop> Andrew129, the sound driver that works is the one to use , there aren't a lot of choices
[22:50] <Andrew129> i notice that under win xp i get a little better sound quality
[22:51] <BluesKaj-Laptop> Andrew129, run this command in the konsole , lspci | grep audio , and post the output
[22:52] <Andrew129> 05:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB0400 Audigy2 Value
[22:52] <Andrew129> onder windows it's cold Creative Audigy SB
[22:52] <Andrew129> under*
[22:53] <BluesKaj-Laptop> Andrew129, use this command to test , speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav
[22:54] <BluesKaj-Laptop> bbl...dinnertime
[22:54] <Andrew129> yeah, i can hear test voice
[22:54] <TweakedEh> Hello, I Just installed Windows 7 to find that grub is now gone, I'm having trouble reinstalling Grub-pc I'm following this tut. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Installing (Ubuntu 9.10 and newer) and I get stuck on the 2nd command
[22:55] <TweakedEh> I get: grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub.