[00:55] can I install the AMD64 iso to an intel core i3 machine? [00:57] my guess is it's fine, but the cdimage page doesn't make it very clear [01:23] Philip_, yes [01:24] amd64 is just the fact amd was the first to make 64bit... [03:13] yo yo yo [04:14] hi will there be daily vm snapshots people can grab and test? [04:22] there havent been in the past, so i doubt it. but there are daily ISOs which you can simply mount in a VM without going through the install process [04:30] that sounds great [04:31] im downloading alpha1 would i be able to mount tha tin a vm bypassing install or should i get a daily snapshot === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [05:28] so... what makes 10.10 so great? [09:00] well, 35 is already there but virtual atm :) [09:15] Have u seen the Sun?I need my photosynthesis! [09:16] Sun is gone, only Oracle remains [09:16] :( [09:17] :p [11:45] hi , i met a problem upgrading my ubuntu to 10.10 [11:45] specify [11:46] Could not calculate the upgrade [11:46] aluex: try using update-manager -d [11:46] ok [11:48] hm, at least the kernel meta packages are held back right now [11:56] it makes no difference [11:57] here is output: http://pastebin.com/UXgNhrqF [11:57] aluex: Do you have several metapackages installed? (ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop?) [11:58] aluex: try using "sudo do-release-upgrade" and see if that gives a more verbose explanation? [11:58] oh [11:58] with -d .. [11:59] oh [12:02] almost the same :( [12:03] http://pastebin.com/bvJymmum [12:04] * gnomefreak needs to find a work around [12:05] Broken packages? What happens if you run "sudo aptitude -f install" ? [12:06] * gnomefreak gets the feeling it is caused by packages in non-officila repos and not using update-manager [12:07] but what do i know i cant even get mine to get past grub [12:07] arand, it asks me whether i want to accept a solution [12:08] since he is already into upgrade it is going to be hard to fix [12:08] aluex: yes normally a good idea [12:08] but would need to see choices [12:09] .oO( <-what does this sign mean? [12:09] a thinking buble? [12:09] i would need to see in what context but im not here arand hes all your ;) [12:10] gnomefreak: No kernel version boots at all for ye? [12:10] yes aluez [12:10] aluex [12:11] aluex: What does it suggest? [12:11] (pastebin) [12:12] ?? [12:12] "aptitude -f install" done [12:13] Now i have another try [12:13] ok, yea, I was wondering what solution it suggested, it is not always that the first suggestion is the best one, but anyways, If you think it did the right thing, I guess you could try upgrading again... [12:13] You do have everything backed up I hope? [12:14] No...not [12:14] But i always keep my file in a pendrive [12:14] Hmm, then I would recommend doing that first ;) [12:15] :) [12:16] how to make that ? i mean ,such as "gnomefreak gets the feeling ..." [12:16] Unless you want to risk it... Oh and by the way, you may get some breakage of X coming up: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2010-June/011587.html Just so you are aware... [12:16] arand: i have only tried fridays ISO and the monitor turns off right after grub [12:18] still the same error [12:18] gnomefreak: and acpi=off, nomodeset, rdblacklist=nouveau, et. al. doesn't help? [12:18] after a weekend of work i think i will try to fix it later in the week [12:18] actually i have kubuntu,ubuntu,ubuntu-remix in my computer [12:18] arand: not sure i never had to do that before. i dont recall if i got past that point from upgrade or not [12:20] arand: bug 590571 might give you an idea [12:20] Launchpad bug 590571 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "The monitor turns off after kernel selection in Maverick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/590571 [12:21] maybe i can spend one more day working on it [12:22] (>_<) [12:22] aluex: gnomefreak Well, if it is X, then that might just be due to the things detailed in the mailing list post I gave above.. [12:22] thats what i get for trying to break it [12:23] nouveau worked fine for me a few days ago though... NVS 3100M [12:23] arand: its not likely at least my issue [12:23] 6200 and 5200 both fail here [12:23] well, xserver 1.8 is coming so try it again in a few days [12:23] aluex: Well, it's a known issue, I think, but I'm not sure if there is a good solution though... [12:24] yofel: yep i thought i would try that. [12:25] That means i can wait for the offical release on 10.10? [12:26] i mean oct ,2010 [12:29] how to re-instate ? [12:29] aluex: just try again in a day or two [12:29] as I said, the kernel meta packages are held back which probably causes the upgrade to fail [12:29] http://pastebin.com/AJiTXGkr [12:30] $ uname -a [12:30] Linux unicorne 2.6.35-1-generic #1-Ubuntu SMP Sat Jun 5 06:18:25 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux [12:30] here is the last part of apt.log [12:30] :) [12:30] oh? [12:31] Then my mirror is out of sync :/ [12:31] ? [12:31] * yofel checks main [12:31] aluex: it fails since linux-image-generic depends on linux-image-2.6.35-1-generic which isn't available yet [12:32] ? [12:32] erm... you should at least know that much about the package management if you plan to use maverick... [12:33] aluex: why not just try it out in a VM with testdrive? [12:34] yep, german mirror out of sync [12:34] ...I only have this netbook . :-( [12:34] aluex: or just try it again in an hour or so, or switch to the main server, it should work then [12:34] oh,i see [12:36] yofel: do you know the launchpad url by heart with the status of all mirrors? [12:36] I always forget to bookmark it :p [12:36] i do want to learn linux well. :( [12:37] You never used linux before? [12:37] nope, and it's not like I checked it, it's just that I was using de.archive... which doesn't have 35, then switched to main which has 35 :P [12:37] just for normal use. [12:37] and you are using 10.10? not the besst of ideas [12:37] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors [12:37] oh. [12:38] But i love experience new things [12:38] aluex: you should have at least waited for a beta [12:38] gnomefreak, maybe you are right [12:39] * gnomefreak has not doubt in my mind that i am right. been doing this since 2nd release [12:39] Ian_corne: thx [12:39] gnomefreak, how do you make that? [12:40] just as above [12:40] mhold that thought please im working on a USB stick but yofel arand can confirm what i am saying [12:41] mhold? [12:41] s/mhold/hold [12:42] hold ? [12:42] acutally... [12:42] oh, i mean how do you make " * gnomefreak has not doubt in my mind that i am right." [12:43] your nickname didn't appear on the left side [12:43] but a '*' [12:43] aluex: type '/me ...' [12:43] /me does stuff [12:44] * aluex thinks this is a good idea [12:44] thanks! [12:46] byebye then,thank you all for your support. I plan to wait for more time [12:46] * gnomefreak accepting ideas for a few more hours [13:04] is there a channel for Unity? [13:21] zetheroo: afaik, no [13:21] I see [13:23] Ian_corne: how do you guys have .35? [13:23] mine won't even isntall [13:23] says its missing image [13:26] Pick an up-to-date mirror [13:26] BUGabundo_remote: it is held back on purpose [13:27] AFAIK [13:35] Ian_corne: erk like MAIN? === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [13:45] I posted a link [13:45] it has all really up-to-date mirrors listed [13:46] There should be a .36 [13:50] huh? [13:55] BUGabundo_remote: I saw you mention something about no sound at all in maverick a day or two ago [13:55] any idea when sound will be fixed? [13:57] not me [13:57] I have been here for the last 2 days [13:57] sound works for me, just startes mutted [13:57] BUGabundo_remote: I am running an upgrade now and getting Unpacking linux-image-2.6.35-1-generic [13:57] BUGabundo_remote: must of been someone else in that case :) [13:59] The following NEW packages will be installed: [13:59] linux-headers-2.6.35-1{a} linux-headers-2.6.35-1-generic{a} linux-image-2.6.35-1-generic{a} [13:59] yay [14:00] \o/ [14:00] \w/ [14:00] \o\\o\\o//o//o/ [14:00] \m/ [14:01] ~o~ [14:01] (_)_)============================================================D~~ [14:01] /0\ [14:01] The following packages failed to install: ... :P [14:01] ahah Pici [14:01] Current status: 0 updates [-10]. [14:02] humm does .35 have the less titen security, so I can run desktop couch? [14:02] * BUGabundo_remote should look at the emails [14:26] !schedule [14:26] A schedule of Maverick Meerkat (10.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule [14:39] howdy [14:45] anyone experiencing kernel oops on 2.6.35.1? [14:45] ? [14:55] no [14:55] I couldn't even isntall it, till an hour agor [14:57] http://pplware.sapo.pt/passatempos/passatempo-%e2%80%93-ubuntu-nas-tentacoes-de-baco/comment-page-1/#comment-313543 LOOLOL [15:01] dartt: ...But do keep in mind that you should expect the worst when running alpha software... [15:01] ok...actually i hv stopped getting updates from lucid aftr a gpg error.... [15:01] i cant reinstall [15:04] dartt: see #ubuntu for Lucid support [15:05] i hv alrdy asked there...but in vain [15:05] dartt: this channel is not for Lucid support [15:05] ok...can u tell me how to upgrade to mm alpha 1 [15:06] dartt: join #ubuntu and try to ask again someone will answer when they know [15:06] dartt: that is not something you want to do [15:06] its ok...i wil do it [15:06] upgrading to a pre beta is not going to fix anything [15:06] It will make things worse. [15:07] dartt: System->Admin->Software Sources [15:07] seeing as you had to ask how that makes me wonder if you can handle everything breaking [15:07] Ian_corne: its update-manager [15:07] go to the Authentication tab [15:07] and then click Restore defaults [15:08] hmm...seems i am stuck....i hv to reinstall [15:09] dartt: did you do what I said? [15:09] i alrdy clicked on it...but i m not getting two kernel update which everyone else got [15:09] do you still get gpg errors? [15:09] no [15:09] maybe try to select another mirror [15:10] !support [15:10] #ubuntu+1 handles support for the development version of Ubuntu. Please join #ubuntu for all other Ubuntu support. Chat in #ubuntu-offtopic. [15:10] i tries 3 mirrors...nothing [15:10] ok [15:11] dartt: Which ones? [15:11] i selected choose best server...it gave me 3 diff servers [15:12] nyway ubottu is telling me this is not the right place to discuss [15:13] ahahaha [15:13] xD [15:13] jpds: maybe you can take it to private? [15:13] 1'etupgkcn [15:13] It's finaly come, people listen to bots but not to humans :( [15:13] BUGabundo_remote: what was that 1'etupkgcn :p [15:13] I've been hit by ORACLE/SUN change in GPG key [15:14] bots can ban [15:14] I had the old one, and adding the new one, would not allow me to install upgrades [15:14] Ian_corne: garbage, from NX buffer [15:14] aha :) [15:14] dartt: no. human OPs can [15:14] dartt: ubottu: cant ban you but people can [15:15] hmm...but they are half bots [15:15] hihihhihihi [15:15] however please bring non 10.10 support to another channel either #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic please [15:15] dartt: you just met two of them: Pici and gnomefreak :D [15:15] oops [15:15] * Pici adds that #ubuntu-offtopic isn't for support [15:16] Pici: oops i forgot that part [15:16] ok i gotta go...i m off to #ubuntu [15:16] wow half bots teaching each other... you were correct Ian_corne! that day did come [15:16] erk humans :p [15:16] * BUGabundo_remote ducks and goes back to work [15:17] lol [15:18] I was pretty sure this channel was the 10.10 support channel [15:18] it is! [15:19] * patdk-wk spanks gnomefreak [15:19] o.O [15:19] oh, non [15:25] guys tell me how to upgrade to alpha 1 i ma try on vmwARE [15:34] ahah [15:34] how to work around it :) [15:34] ok $ update-manager -d [15:34] I do see the efford you are appying here [15:35] lets see how long it lasts you, my young child [15:35] may the force be with you [15:51] BUGabundo_remote: No. [16:09] jpds: no to what? [16:34] hey guys... who would be responsible for the package secure-delete [16:41] bah, i can't wait for the next kernel to fix my rt2860 wireless problem [16:42] coz_: someone from debian [16:42] it's direcly imported from it [16:42] h00k: you got .35 yet? [16:42] you can see the original author here: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/s/secure-delete/secure-delete_3.1-5/changelog [16:43] Ian_corne: is it in the repos? [16:43] yes [16:43] :o since when? I missed that. [16:43] hi is brtfs available in the 10.10 alpha installer? [16:43] Also, did it fix the rt problems? [16:44] today [16:44] I don't know [16:44] do'nt have the bandwith to spare to upgrade at home [16:44] hrm. [16:46] Ian_corne: if you ask nicely, I can upgrade and check [16:46] well h00k it's not very useful for me, since it won't help me until I can upgrade and check :p [16:46] Ian_corne: well, I have a rt here that I can upgrade on [16:47] Ian_corne: you had the bug reported, right? [16:47] and if it works here, I bet it'll work there! [16:47] Uhu [16:48] hifi, thanks... need to speak to him :) [16:48] so no one knows? [16:49] no1 currently looking at the channel apperntly [16:49] there's also only an alternative installer [16:49] d1b: I think it will be available in a later alpha. [16:50] Probably around the time the installer gets an update [16:52] d1b: There's still fiddling about with grub2 to do in order to make it work. [16:52] I think. [16:52] :/ [16:53] well arand only for root partition then? [16:56] Yea, but plan was to enable btrfs for root for 1010, I guess btrfs-tools will work, but yea, I don't think the installer supports it yet.. There's nothing in the installer changelogs... [16:57] which way is generally less hassle, just sed lucid for maverick in my sources? [16:57] to upgrade? [16:57] h00k: Well do-release-upgrade is the proper way. [16:58] h00k: Which will basically do just that, disable PPAs, and go [16:58] *"sudo do-release-upgrade -d" [16:59] well you can keep your ppa's at lucid [16:59] do-release-upgrade -d tells me notta is available [16:59] so. [16:59] Hmm, maybe you need to set upgrades to non-LTS ? [16:59] I don't have any ppa's, I just reinstalled yesterday [17:00] oh, that's righ, I haven't changed that yet === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:25] Ian_corne: Yes, wireless works here. [18:25] nice :) [18:25] Ian_corne: rt2860sta [18:26] here too [18:27] excellent. [18:27] and is Unity only available from the PPA? [18:27] yep. [18:28] Well [18:28] It doesn't seem to do much for me atm [18:28] If i log into a unity session [18:28] the left side bar doesn't pop up [18:28] Yeah, you get that sidebar on the right [18:28] oh, I did when I tried it before [18:28] Yeah it did for me too [18:28] but then i clean installed [18:28] ah [18:28] and doesn't do it for me anymore :p [18:29] Yo yo yo +1 [18:29] oy oy oy. [18:30] Anyone use an intel i3865 wifi chip with the 2.6.35 kernel? It never connects here. Logging a bug later [18:31] Also if I restart x using CAB I cannot login as the system cannot connect to some security subsystem or somesuch (again, bug will be logged later). Just curious if anyone had these experiencees? [18:41] ActionParsnip, not exactly the same but my wifi kept disconnecting with 2.6.35 again and again but worked fine with 34 but then I played with xorg egers stuff and now the system dont start :( [18:42] Xorg edgers is sweet :). I've not applied it here though. I'm gonna hang til another kernel arrives :) [18:42] Om26er: the edgers ppa also shows how to revert to the old afair [18:43] is RGBA enabled right now in +1? [18:43] yes [18:44] if you use a murrine themes you see transparent windows [18:44] which doesn't include any of the ones in installed by default [18:45] indead === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna === wise_cry1t is now known as wise_crypt === pgraner is now known as pgraner-afk [20:22] i have a problem, i don't have sound and already tried OSS, Alsa with and without pulseaudio, and it's not working at all...and even with alsa installed i can't run alsamixer, can't open Mixer: file or folder not found. and aplay -l , says that there was no sound-card detected [20:23] Hi [20:23] o_portista17: This is on Maverick? [20:24] yes [20:24] but i've lost sound on 10.04, that's the reason for my update to the maverick [20:24] Okay just checking ;) [20:26] o_portista17: I just joined, losing sound in the stable, and then upgrading to the first proper development version of the next version, doesn't sound that good, since it will have bugs here and there, and probably more than the stable. [20:27] i know...but i like the risk of it :p [20:27] i had sound on the maverick with alsa, but now, i don't... [20:27] o_portista17: try alsamixer in the terminal or something I guess [20:27] o_portista17, have you used alsamixer to unmute one of the channels [20:27] o_portista17: you sure its using alsa though? [20:28] since Ubuntu does pulseaudio as of 8.04 [20:28] alsamixer is not working..is says that the "mixer" can't be found... [20:28] and i have no pulseaudio...and uninstalled oss thru synaptic [20:29] install pulseaudio [20:29] then use alsamixer [20:29] installing.. [20:30] ok [20:30] even with pulseaudio running, alsamixer says the same thing [20:31] are you sure it is running? [20:31] ps ax |grep pulse [20:31] 26846 ? S what card do you have o_portista17 [20:34] o_portista17, do this [20:35] o_portista17, cd /proc/asound ; cat cards [20:35] e don't have asound dir [20:37] do you know if you have an intel sound card [20:37] try lsmod | grep snd [20:38] no output [20:38] it sounds like your kernel doesn't support your sound card or there are no sound modules loaded [20:38] i suspect the latter [20:39] try modprobe snd_mixer_oss [20:40] FATAL: Module snd_mixer_oss not found. [20:40] do you now what sound card you have? [20:40] are you using a laptop? [20:40] yes [20:40] Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB4x0 High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) [20:43] are you using the generic kernel? [20:43] yes [20:43] 2.6.34-5 [20:44] do this just to be sure you have all the modules installed [20:44] sudo apt-get update [20:44] sudo apt-get upgrade [20:44] sudo apt-get install linux-ubuntu-modules-$(uname -r) [20:45] then reboot [20:45] it can't find the package: linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.34-5-generic [20:46] oh let me check that [20:46] i think is not out [20:46] are you using ubuntu 10.04 or 10.10? [20:46] 10.10 [20:46] i am using 10.04 at the moment as we speak [20:47] it sounds like you don't have the kernal module for your sound card [20:47] you would be best installing 10.04 [20:47] i will check 10.10 though [20:50] i can't remember what the name is [20:51] ah looks like the modules are now with the kernel itself: linux-image-$(uname-r) [20:54] so...in other words, im screwed? [20:55] lol o_portista17 [20:55] has it worked with previous versions of ubuntu [20:55] my video card is not suported, my audio card, doesn't work anymore...time to change OS ? ;x [20:56] it was working...but since i rebooted and made some upgrades on 10.10, it's not working [20:56] what about with 10.04 [20:56] don't forget to file bug reports so it can get fixed! [20:57] it was working, but suddenly it stopped, and then i upgraded to 10.10 [20:57] o_portista17, these situations can arise with Windows - infact more so with my hardware [20:58] i don't think upgrading to 10.10 will help given it is alpha [20:58] i would go back to a fresh install of 10.04 if i were you and work out your problems with that as it is well supported and production status [20:58] 10.10 is asking for trouble [21:01] i don't want a fresh install ;x === pgraner-afk is now known as pgraner [21:04] o_portista17, do you keep your home directory on a separate partition? [21:05] no, all in the same disk/partition === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [21:09] would have been easier if you had home mounted on a separate partition as then you could do a fresh install with out touching your home stuff [22:44] what was that command to see the screen DPI number ? [22:46] no idea [22:46] I'm on wireless! [22:46] Seems to work now [22:46] altho the signal strength is not displayed correctly I think [22:46] xdpyinfo [22:52] Ian_corne: horray! [23:05] BUGabundo: to see screen DPI, it used to be xdpyinfo... but now Xorg lies and says everything is 96. [23:06] So my laptop is apparently 20 inches diagonal. [23:06] Or so it claims. [23:12] can someone help with sound on my thinkpad [23:12] i run a company with over 300 employees and many dont have sound working on their laptops [23:13] hey InnerFIRE_ [23:13] DanaG mine says 113 [23:13] you want #ubuntu [23:13] or #ubuntu-beginners [23:13] InnerFIRE_: and you are running maverick on ALL of them? [23:13] you should contact a Canonical comercial, for paid support [23:13] aldo check out http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ [23:13] im running lucid [23:14] for a local team [23:14] this channel is for the next release [23:14] paid support? it should just work [23:14] maverick [23:14] ok [23:14]