[01:10] <ZachK_> hallo?
[14:04] <thorwil> awesome. this is the third release where i get sticky tooltips on the workspace switcher, sometimes
[14:05] <knome> hah
[16:10] <Cimi> so tired
[16:53] <kwwii> Cimi: out late last night?
[17:43] <sammi> hi, are there any old fashion artists here?
[17:46] <sammi> im trying to draw scenes but, unfortunately, the real world cant be put on pause to notice all of the details...
[18:22] <thorwil> sammi: hi! with old fashion, you mean "knows how to use a pencil"?
[18:32] <sammi> throwil, yes. thats what i meant
[18:37] <thorwil> sammi: i have some experience with life drawing, but often work with either photos or no reference at all
[18:38] <sammi> ah, ya,  i have basically concluded that i need to get a digital camera
[18:39] <thorwil> sammi: a camera produces something that is quite different from what you see, once you look closely
[18:39] <thorwil> sammi: what are you trying to draw and why?
[18:40] <thorwil> the "why" can make a difference regarding acceptable shortcuts
[18:43] <sammi> i understand. i like drawing animals mostly
[18:46] <thorwil> sammi: if your problem is that they won't hold still or if you actually want to draw them in movement, you might have to work on your technique to enable you to draw fast and capture the important stuff with few strokes
[18:47] <thorwil> you would do sketches "life" and later on refine the best of them or base a new drawing on them
[18:48] <sammi> ya, thats what i did in drawing class, like 1-5 minutes figure drawings
[18:48] <thorwil> so you should have plentiful of cheap paper to not worry about wasting it
[18:48] <sammi> i think im gonna start carrying arround a sketch pad again
[18:48] <sammi> lol yep
[18:49] <thorwil> irc can't compete with an actual drawing class :)
[18:49] <thorwil> i guess you have been shown how to construct bodies from simple geometry?
[18:50] <sammi> nope, not really. he was an anti-line nazi, lol
[18:50] <sammi> contour lines i mean
[18:50] <sammi> taught us to build shapes by mostly shading.
[18:50] <thorwil> that's painting, not drawing, then, isn't it?
[18:51] <sammi> lol kinda
[18:51] <thorwil> sammi: explore both approaches
[18:51] <sammi> ya
[18:51] <sammi> bah, pandora keeps freezing on me and i have to restart firefox
[18:51] <thorwil> even among artists working in the digital realm, you can find both approaches
[19:00] <sammi> dont digital artists begin on paper? most i mean
[19:01] <thorwil> many tend to start with sketches/outlines on paper
[19:02] <thorwil> a few sketch digital or paint digital from the get go
[19:04] <sammi> i tried the latter before, it as a disaster. looked like a preshchool drawing, lol
[19:06] <thorwil> i don't recommend it, especially if you lack training with the real thing. although it can make building large/complex scenes quite a bit easier
[19:10] <thorwil> sammi: do you have examples of your work online?
[19:13] <sammi> nope
[19:15] <sammi> im not a beginner, but not a professional.
[19:17] <thorwil> sammi: ah, then i guess i don't have to ask if you can construct perspectives with 1, 2 or 3 vanishing points :)
[19:17] <sammi> depends how complex the secne is, lol
[19:20] <thorwil> the people who make me feel inferior: http://forums.cgsociety.org/forumdisplay.php?f=137
[19:22] <sammi> hehe. ya they are incredible. i wish i had the patience to do something like that. i get bored after 3 hrs or that unless i really love it.
[23:19] <Cimi> kwwii: no no... I'm too old instead