[02:40] <gnomefreak> what package would i file a bug on for the apperance->backgrounds?
[02:47] <micahg> gnomefreak: xprop | grep CLASS
[02:48] <gnomefreak> thanks
[02:48] <gnomefreak> it shows gnome-terminal
[02:50] <maco2> gnomefreak: you have to click on the appearance window
[02:50] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:51] <gnomefreak> gnome-appearance-properties  better
[02:52] <gnomefreak> that isnt a package but doesnt matter much really bad storms moving in right now so i will have to pick back up on it in the morning
[02:52]  * gnomefreak smoke while downloads finish
[02:53] <micahg> gnomefreak: gnome-control-center
[02:53] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks
[02:53] <micahg> gnomefreak: if you have a binary and don't know the package, you can always dpkg -S `which binary`
[02:55] <gnomefreak> micahg: yep but i didnt have a bin either
[02:55] <micahg> gnomefreak: gnome-appearance-properties :)
[02:56] <gnomefreak> oh oops
[02:59] <maco2> micahg: time for a blog post?
[03:00] <micahg> maco2: for what?
[03:00] <micahg> how to find which program?
[03:00]  * micahg needs to start a blog :)
[03:02] <maco2> micahg: yes
[03:03] <micahg> k, when I start my blog :)
[03:08] <gnomefreak> IIRC it tells you how to find the package in one of our bug wikis
[03:08] <gnomefreak> ok now i can go for a quick smoke ;)
[03:50] <reduz> hi guys, question!!! how do i report a bug in ubuntu itself and not in a package?
[03:50] <Flannel> reduz: I answered you in #ubuntu
[03:52] <reduz> Flannel, yeah but i can't find any package in there
[03:53] <Flannel> reduz: Right, but that page says to file it against the kernel (from the description you gave me)
[03:55] <reduz> i don't think kernel is at fault, if i configure the networking by hand in console it works fine, i think it's probably network-manager
[03:55] <reduz> well, i'll file the bug anyway, if it's wrong i hope the report isnt ignored
[03:56] <Flannel> reduz: File it whereever you think it's appropriate.  It'll get moved around as people who are more familiar with those particular aspects touch it
[04:42] <kermiac> does anyone know what the new status "opinion" is? I just noticed it on Staging LP - http://imgbin.org/images/1786.png
[04:45] <kermiac> nvm, I found the ML discussion http://www.mail-archive.com/launchpad-dev@lists.launchpad.net/msg02984.html
[09:15] <BUGabundo_remote> Have u seen the Sun?I need my photosynthesis!
[11:02] <kahen> where would i have to go to find out when and why pxboard was removed from the xboard package?
[12:02] <nperry> Would you say bug 590686 is a wishlist?
[12:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 590686 in inkscape (Ubuntu) "Verb "Affect" should be replaced with noun "Effect" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/590686
[12:02] <nperry> Actually no its not a feature, just bad english. Ignore me :)
[12:05] <ansgar> nperry: Typos or bad grammar should be "Low" in most cases.
[14:16] <DrKenobi> Hi! I've just sent this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk/+bug/583457 to upstream. Can someone set it as Triaged and Wishlist? Thanks!
[14:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 583457 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Firefox print (to file) dialog (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 24)" [Low,New]
[14:22] <pedro_> DrKenobi, done!, thanks for sent it upstream
[14:23] <DrKenobi> pedro_ thank you!!
[14:45] <DrKenobi> Hi! I think this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/377945 should be set to wishlist, but I don't know the "package". Thanks!
[14:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 377945 in ubuntu "Add Task Coach to repositories (affects: 3) (heat: 13)" [Undecided,New]
[14:54] <DrKenobi> Also, the status should be set to confirmed
[14:54] <DrKenobi> I can do that he
[14:57] <yofel> DrKenobi: this would fall under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Needs%20Packaging%20Bugs
[14:58] <DrKenobi> yofel tank you! i'll read it right now!
[15:00] <yofel> DrKenobi: oh, and add the 'needs-packaging' tag, it will be auto-wishlisted then
[15:03] <DrKenobi> great, thanks yofel
[16:29] <PrototypeX29A> hey is there anything i can do about: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/585384
[16:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 585384 in evolution (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) ""Error while Filtering Selected Message." (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Triaged]
[16:30] <PrototypeX29A> maybe bother the gnome-people?
[16:31] <pedro_> PrototypeX29A, yes, better to talk to them about it , use the #evolution channel on GIMPNet
[16:32] <PrototypeX29A> not gnome.net?
[16:34] <pedro_> PrototypeX29A, irc.gnome.org
[16:34] <pedro_> or irc.gimp.org, etc
[16:34] <PrototypeX29A> there were only idlers there, last time i tried
[16:35] <PrototypeX29A> i try to address them via gnome bugtracking
[16:39] <PrototypeX29A> but i wonder why it doesn't have a higher importance
[16:48] <PrototypeX29A> strange, it looks like that i didn't report the most basic bugs in my series :/
[16:50] <atrus> PrototypeX29A: most important thing is to have a reliably reproducable test case, if you can manage one.
[16:52] <PrototypeX29A> yes, i am very willing to isolate the bug, but i don't have a clue how evolution works internally so i might need some help
[16:52] <PrototypeX29A> i can't just send a copy of my inbox
[16:56] <atrus> PrototypeX29A: maybe create another user account on the system, and try to get just one message that triggers the issue?
[16:59] <PrototypeX29A> atrus: i can cannot reproduce the mail myself, it is something that outlook does it seems
[16:59] <PrototypeX29A> maybe i can get the originator of the bad mails to write me a blank to another account
[17:00] <PrototypeX29A> but i try to make a more pointed bug report, but still struggle with the gnome bugtracker
[17:01] <atrus> is it just when that one person sends you mail?
[17:02] <PrototypeX29A> no a group of persons, it is some kind of attachment their mail program does
[17:02] <PrototypeX29A> it gets special treatment in evolution, it seems. But i cannot say for sure
[17:02] <PrototypeX29A> seems launchpad ist down
[17:02] <PrototypeX29A> -t
[17:05] <atrus> PrototypeX29A: a sample of that would probably be good for upstream.
[17:07] <PrototypeX29A> i don't know what "a sample" might be
[17:09] <atrus> PrototypeX29A: i mean one of these emails, with an attachment.
[17:09] <atrus> you might want to ask the upstream devs what format they'd want such a sample in, and see if they can give you any guidance there.
[17:12] <PrototypeX29A> this is very strange, the attached file has my computer name in it
[17:13] <PrototypeX29A> it must be something generated by evolution itself
[17:38] <PrototypeX29A> atrus: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=620858
[17:38] <ubot2> Gnome bug 620858 in Mailer "Error while Moving messages into folder Inbox." [Major,Unconfirmed]
[17:39] <PrototypeX29A> now i need the gnome people to have a look
[17:39] <PrototypeX29A> one could shorten "the gnome people" to "the gnomes"
[19:08] <komputes> Does anyone know of a bug where corruption is caused by having two package managers run at the same time (Ubuntu Software Center + Update Manager)/
[19:09] <greg-g> komputes: that shouldn't be possible, right?
[19:09] <komputes> greg-g: damn right!
[19:09] <komputes> greg-g: should have a lock on dpkg
[19:09] <greg-g> I mean, it isn't possible, is it?
[19:10] <komputes> greg-g: I have had 2 people tell me that they have corrupt system from installing apps from USC and at the same time updating with UM
[19:12] <greg-g> komputes: can you have them report a bug with their logs attached, please?
[19:12] <komputes> greg-g: both can't log in any longer
[19:13] <komputes> greg-g: no recovery mode
[19:13] <komputes> greg-g: We can boot from the CD and look for the file
[19:13] <greg-g> komputes: that'd be great
[19:13] <greg-g> komputes: also, just as an aside, tell them not to do that again ;)
[19:14] <komputes> greg-g: which file would be needed?
[19:16] <komputes> greg-g: this is not an issue with the user, the one package manager lock (if that is the issue) should be fixed to not allow it.
[19:16] <komputes> I still need to try and reproduce this first
[19:22] <komputes> greg-g: any suggestion on which logs would be useful
[19:22] <komputes> greg-g: these users will be formatting the disk afterwards, so make it count ;)
[19:29] <greg-g> komputes: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager
[19:31] <greg-g> komputes: from that page's triage guide: "Could you please add the log files from '/var/log/dist-upgrade/' to this bug report as separate attachments?"
[19:40] <charlie-tca> komputes: if that is a normal update, they need the /var/log/dpkg.log
[19:45] <vish> greg-g: could you update your time in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors ? also , is Dave being mentored?
[19:47] <greg-g> vish: time is good, and I haven't spoken with Dave in a long time
[19:47] <vish> greg-g: ok , also i cant seem to find him on lp.
[19:47] <vish> do you have his lp link?
[19:48] <greg-g> vish: https://edge.launchpad.net/~dogatemycomputer
[19:48] <vish> hehe , dogatemycomputer!
[19:49] <greg-g> :)
[19:49] <vish> greg-g: well , we'll purge him from the mentorship program right now , we can add him later if he applies for mentors. sound good to you?
[19:52] <greg-g> vish: perfect
[19:52] <vish> cool
[19:53] <greg-g> I last talked to him in December of 2009
[19:54] <vish> hggdh: pedro_: charlie-tca: the mentorship team members list is a bit of a mess right now , lets /not/ approve new students and wait to assign mentors later. right now, we dont know who is assigned or not.
[19:54] <vish> Rather , when we assign mentor we can approve into team as well. that way it would be easier to know that all in the team are either mentors or currently mentored
[19:55] <vish> ?
[19:56] <vish> And some of the students are very old approvals , not sure if they are interested anymore
[19:57] <charlie-tca> We should be able to look at the wiki and know if a student is assigned. We have two pages, one for the menor/student assignments and one for students awaiting assignments
[19:57] <charlie-tca> All we need it is to maintain https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/Students
[19:57] <vish> charlie-tca: yeah , but right now we have to cross check to make sure.
[19:58] <charlie-tca> I thought pedro sent messages out to the mentors and old approved students ?
[19:58] <vish> not sure if mrooney is still interested in mentoring , i havent seen him in a while
[19:59] <vish> and he is in the deactived list > https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad-mentorship/+members#active
[19:59] <vish> deactivated*
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Need to check with pedro. He was supposed to send messages to all the mentors asking if they were still interested.
[20:00] <charlie-tca> If he is listed as deactivated, he is not mentoring at this time
[20:01] <vish> hmm , what time is meeting tomorrow?
[20:02] <charlie-tca> I show 16:00 UTC
[20:02] <vish> neat
[20:08] <vish> charlie-tca: another issue with approval of students without mentors , would mean we cant keep track of the months they are tutored easily , what pedro_ mentioned was we approve for 3months period , but if we dont assign mentor immediately , the 3months would need adjustment again for a lot of the students
[20:09] <charlie-tca> It will start when the mentor is assigned.
[20:09] <vish> hmm , so that would be again changed after approval?
[20:10] <vish>  kinda seems weird though approving them in and asking them to wait for an assign.. :s
[20:10] <charlie-tca> To know if the student is ready for a mentor, you have to verify that his wiki page is there, the launchpad page is updated, etc. After doing all that, you leave them sit in unapproved?
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Then you get a mentor wanting a student, you check everything again?
[20:11] <charlie-tca> If you approve the student without a date, you know he/she is ready, right?
[20:11] <vish> charlie-tca: if we have checked everything ,and everything is in order , we just assign. why wait?
[20:11] <charlie-tca> Then any administrator could assign the student a mentor, and know the student is ready for it. no?
[20:12] <charlie-tca> What happens when the students outnumber the mentors available?
[20:13] <vish> charlie-tca: then we dont approve . wait for the queue to clear. all we need to do is to check the incoming students if everything is right and as time passes we approve as available
[20:13] <charlie-tca> The https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/Students shows students ready for a mentor. Which mentors have responded to pedro's emails?
[20:14] <vish> charlie-tca: hmm , so do we now clear out the old students?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> Which old students?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> That wiki page should be up-to-date
[20:15] <vish> charlie-tca: https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad-mentorship/+members#active , there are a lot of idle ones here
[20:15]  * stenten reads back
[20:15] <stenten> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar says the BugSquad meeting tomorrow is at 15:00 UTC
[20:15] <charlie-tca> The mentors are also there. Matching back to the students list, there are very few old students there
[20:16] <vish> several of the old students dont have a wiki
[20:17] <vish> charlie-tca: if we have "Expires" date assigned to students and -- for mentors it'll be easy to recognize
[20:17] <charlie-tca> fine
[20:18] <charlie-tca> you get with pedro and set the rules up then
[20:19] <vish> yeah.
[21:43] <PrototypeX29A> it looks like a bug, that i cannot say thunderbird, no the check my email. But I am unsure, as i am new to thunderbird
[21:44] <micahg> PrototypeX29A: what bug WRT thunderbird?
[21:45] <PrototypeX29A> WRT?
[21:45] <micahg> PrototypeX29A: with regard to
[21:46] <PrototypeX29A> i told thunderird not to automatically fetch my email, it still does so
[21:46] <micahg> PrototypeX29A: in the Migration Assistant?
[21:47] <PrototypeX29A> in the server settings
[21:47] <PrototypeX29A> i also unchecked [ ] Use IDLE command"
[21:47] <PrototypeX29A> after a hint in #ubuntu
[21:48] <micahg> PrototypeX29A: which version of Thunderbird?
[21:48] <PrototypeX29A> 3.0.4
[21:48] <micahg> PrototypeX29A: you set it in Synchronization and Storage?
[21:49] <PrototypeX29A> I don't understand
[21:49] <PrototypeX29A> i go to Edit > Account Settings
[21:49] <micahg> PrototypeX29A: which setting are you wondering about?  auto download every 10 min?
[21:49] <PrototypeX29A> i wonder why it keeps fetching email
[21:50] <micahg> PrototypeX29A: it does offline storage by default in Thunderbird 3
[21:50] <PrototypeX29A> what is offline storage?
[21:50] <micahg> PrototypeX29A: it downloads mail to disk
[21:50] <PrototypeX29A> that is what i expect to happen
[21:50] <PrototypeX29A> but not without being asked to connect to the server
[21:51] <PrototypeX29A> i am used to mail clients which download emails, when i say "download emails" and then store it locally
[21:52] <PrototypeX29A> what happens is, that i get new mails all the time, without me asking TB to fetch mail
[21:52] <micahg> I wonder if the offline storage is conflicting with the download mail setting
[21:53]  * micahg is testing now
[21:54] <PrototypeX29A> these are two different things?
[21:54] <micahg> yes
[22:12] <Prototyp1X29A> micahg: so do you think it is worth it to file a bug report?
[22:12] <micahg> Prototyp1X29A: I'm waiting to see if it happens to me
[22:12] <micahg> Prototyp1X29A: are you using the folders?
[22:12] <Prototyp1X29A> which folders?
[22:13] <micahg> Prototyp1X29A: the ones in the acct that's d/l the mail
[22:13] <Prototyp1X29A> i'm not doing anything
[22:14] <Prototyp1X29A> i have set a filter for mails with a specific subject to be moved in some local folder, when i write myself an email with that subject it immediately appears in that folder
[22:17] <micahg> idk, when you send mail, I think it checks mail as well
[22:17] <Prototyp1X29A> so it is not a good way to reproduce the bug?
[22:25] <micahg> Prototyp1X29A: idk, I need a better description, maybe hop in #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org and ask
[22:26] <Prototyp1X29A> what is idk?
[22:26] <Prototyp1X29A> micahg: i kind of fed up with bug reporting for today, maybe tomorrow
[22:27] <micahg> Prototyp1X29A: k, feel free to ping me tomorrow if you need me in the channel over there or need help filing a bug
[22:27] <Prototyp1X29A> thanks
[22:27] <Prototyp1X29A> on the other hand, i need working email so i should have a look
[22:35] <Prototyp1X29A> so maybe the problem now is that it keeps polling when sending mail
[22:36] <Prototyp1X29A> it kept polling all the time and flooded me with notices, that isn't happening any more after i played with the settings a little bit
[22:37] <Prototyp1X29A> micahg: at least when i click on the Inbox folder, it is polled immediately, which i think is not the supposed behaviour
[22:37] <Prototyp1X29A> (and works better with evolution), but that is something i probably can work around
[23:23] <micahg> Prototyp1X29A: k, I'm not sure if that's a bug or not, I can check