[00:00] <scott_ev> dang it...if you're workin this late why didn't you give me another task?
[00:08] <akgraner> scott_ev, no worries - I thought I would have had internet access sooner :-/
[00:08] <akgraner> scott_ev, if you are going to be around in about an hour you can help me proof it though
[00:09] <scott_ev> kk, I'll keep an eye out
[00:10] <akgraner> scott_ev, I just added 4 things to GCN  - if you want to look over those :-)  I'll be adding the LoCo stuff in just a sec - so just let me know when you are out of the wiki
[00:11] <scott_ev> OK, do what you need to for a few minutes while I get some water and a quick smoke
[00:11] <cjohnston> ooo.. I want a beer
[00:13] <ZachK_> akgraner: and i wanted to talk with you about your personal wiki page
[00:14] <akgraner> ZachK_, that will have to wait as well til next week :-)
[00:14] <ZachK_> k
[00:14] <akgraner> scott_ev, thanks! :-)
[00:36] <akgraner> hey can someone find me the following meeting minutes from last week please - QA Team and Ayatana UX and Server Team Meetings :-)  IF you can find me a link to the wiki pages that would rock :-)
[00:38] <akgraner> not server  - I meant security team :-/
[00:48] <akgraner> not team wiki pages but the meeting minute wiki pages from last week - I am just not finding them
[00:55] <scott_ev> akgraner: sorry...I'm back
[00:55] <akgraner> scott_ev, no worries - I
[00:56] <scott_ev> let me know when you are ready for me to go in
[00:56] <akgraner> I'll be out of the wiki in just a sec - you'll have a few more things
[00:57] <scott_ev> cool
[01:01] <akgraner> scott_ev, please review GCN, LoCo and I added Ubuntu Development Team Meeting Minutes  (those are just links but can you make sure they go to where they are supposed to) :-D
[01:03] <scott_ev> On it boss
[01:06] <scott_ev> akgraner: my software QA background pays off again...all clear
[01:06] <scott_ev> brb again
[01:07] <akgraner> k:-)
[01:27] <akgraner> scott_ev, I just added some planet articles can you review them - the items in italics are direct quotes... you'll see what I am talking about - Feel free to re-work/re-word them if you want...
[01:28] <akgraner> scott_ev, one sec and I'll be out of the wiki :-)
[01:30] <akgraner> saving now :-)
[01:30] <akgraner> ok I'm out of it now
[02:19] <nigelb> akgraner: you still want those meetings? they're not on wiki
[02:19] <akgraner> nhandler, whenever you add the monthly reports let me know - I need to step away for a few minutes...
[02:20] <akgraner> nigelb, if they aren't on the wiki don't worry about it
[02:20] <akgraner> if you look at ISSUE 196 you'll see what I am including now :-)
[02:20] <nigelb> aha, I went hunting for irc logs :)
[02:20] <akgraner> nigelb, sorry if that was rude
[02:20] <nigelb> nah
[02:21] <akgraner> brb in just a few  - I need to walk away from the computer for a minute :-)
[02:38] <akgraner> ok deep breath - and a soda :-)
[02:38] <akgraner> I feel much better
[02:38] <akgraner> nigelb, can I ask a favor or you?
[02:39] <nigelb> akgraner: ask away :)
[02:40] <akgraner> thanks - If I get you all the scripts we use for UWN can you put them into bzr?
[02:40] <akgraner> Nathan suggested that last week - but I just now had time to sit down and go through the todo list
[02:41] <nigelb> sure
[02:41] <akgraner> ok - I know there is work that needs to be done on them - but they work well enough for now  - I just need to get them someplace where they can be accounted for and stuff
[02:42] <akgraner> and that everyone is not using a rouge version and no one knows what is coming from where etc
[02:42] <akgraner> I'll do that next week :-) - thanks
[02:44] <nhandler> akgraner: Let me do the report now. I ended up being out longer than I thought. And I would be glad to help you with the scripts if you need it
[02:45] <akgraner> nhandler, great!  I'll let you and nigelb handle that
[02:46] <akgraner> I'll send you both the email tomorrow and you all can work it out and document it - if you don't mind :-)  cjohnston has been using the script as well so I will CC him as well
[02:48] <nhandler> akgraner: Sure thing. I don't know if nigelb is a member of the UWN LP team, so he might not be able to actually push them. But I bet he could be a huge help with getting propper documentation for the scripts prepared
[02:49] <akgraner> nhandler, ahh ok
[02:49] <akgraner> let's look at all that next week
[02:49] <akgraner> no hurry - it's been this way for a while so what's another work
[02:49] <akgraner> week
[02:49] <akgraner> I mean
[02:49] <akgraner> :-D
[02:50] <nigelb> nhandler: I can't push them, but we can work around it :)
[02:52] <nhandler> nigelb: Yeah. You can push to your personal branch and I can merge them into the team branch or something
[02:52] <nigelb> yup :)
[02:52] <nhandler> akgraner: How many scripts are there? Do you think it would be worth creating a project on LP for them?
[02:52] <nigelb> nhandler: I'm +1 for project like we did for reviewers
[02:52] <akgraner> 3 or 4 iirc
[02:53] <nigelb> just a collection point would be nice, especially for bugs, etc
[02:53] <akgraner> I'll get everything to you all next week - there was 8 of them
[02:53] <akgraner> but leann rewrote them for me
[02:53] <nhandler> Alright. nigelb, we can talk it over a bit more once we see the scripts.
[02:54] <nigelb> nhandler: ok.  Just poke me over the week during your mornings
[02:54] <akgraner> I'll get them out to you all sometime in the am
[02:54] <akgraner> Thank you all so much!
[02:54] <nhandler> nigelb: That might be a problem. I have a summer course that will kill my mornings. I'll be around Friday morning though. As well as in the afternoons/evenings
[02:54] <nhandler> akgraner: Thanks a lot. Also, do we have proper licensing/copyright info for them ?
[02:55] <nigelb> nhandler: ok, around this time would be ok, but I'll have only little time (30 to 40 mins)
[02:55] <akgraner> nhandler, thank you - I am not the expert on all that - you all are just let me know what you will need from me
[02:55] <nhandler> nigelb: That will be plenty.
[02:55] <akgraner> :-)
[02:55] <nhandler> :)
[03:07] <scott_ev_> sorry akgraner the parents got home from the cabin and I had to talk to them wahile
[03:08] <akgraner> scott_ev_, no worries :-)
[03:09] <scott_ev_> is there anything else?
[03:11] <akgraner> if you have time to proof now feel free :-)
[03:11] <akgraner> I had to take care of another issue that popped up
[03:11] <akgraner> sooo...
[03:11] <akgraner> :-/
[03:11] <akgraner> scott_ev_, nhandler let me know when you are out of the wiki and I'll add a few more summaries :-)
[03:12] <nhandler> akgraner: I'm not editing the wiki right now.
[03:12] <nhandler> I'm fixing a few CammelCases, and then I'll add the reports
[03:14] <scott_ev_> I'm not in
[03:17] <akgraner> ok :-) thanks
[03:17] <akgraner> ahh ok
[03:17] <akgraner> I just want to add some links I need to drop the summaries in for
[03:17] <akgraner> give me 5 mins
[03:17] <akgraner> saving now :-)
[03:18] <nhandler> akgraner: Can I add the reports? Or should I wait for you to fix the issue?
[03:18] <akgraner> I'm out now
[03:18] <akgraner> you can add them :-)
[03:23] <nhandler> akgraner: Done. I am sorry for getting them to you so late.
[03:24] <akgraner> no worries
[03:25] <akgraner> this is one of those issues - I still have a few more summaries :-)
[06:07] <akgraner> In case anyone asks - I'll publish the newsletter in a few hours  - I need a nap :-)
[06:24] <YoBoY> hi
[07:38] <scott_ev> akgraner: OK, this is beyond rediculous.  Next week isn't going to be like this.  My contribution will be doing the meetings during the week like I should have these last 2 weeks.  Oh, and I saw the changes you or someone applied to my work.  That won't happen again now that I fully understand waht needs to happen.  So, be thinking about what else you'll assign me.
[11:09] <akgraner> scott_ev, what are you talking about - I didn't change anything...
[11:12] <akgraner> scott_ev, no it's not beyond rediculous, if continue to things the scenes like little elves, then NO ONE will realize the herculean efforts it takes to get UWN out the door.  We can miss publishing by a few hours, but giving up weekends and not showing all the things that needs to happen, then more and more people will burn out...
[11:13] <akgraner> I would rather  - miss publishing by a few hours, then go back and review the product to ensure a quality product makes it out to the public.  That's all... wow!!!
[11:18] <akgraner> I am re-arranging things now and I'll have this out in an hour or so...  I'll also have the email asking for more volunteers going out to the list today...  I full expected things to hit some snags when we moved all UWN discussion to the -news channel and started making changes, but it will get better - I have no doubt :-D
[12:29] <akgraner> The new edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available here:
[12:29] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue196
[12:47] <akgraner> grrr and now I am beating myself up I left in 2 lines of ##   oh well it happens - give me about an hour folks and I'll send the info to the list about what help is needed where  :-/ :-D
[13:17] <YoBoY> how to add things in "Upcoming Meetings and Events" section of the weekly newsletter ? this is open to the locoteams events/meetings/... ?
[14:35] <akgraner> YoBoY, did you see my messages earlier??  just making sure...  I was lagging
[14:36] <YoBoY> akgraner: after my question?
[14:40] <YoBoY> akgraner: your last sentense was "[13:47] <akgraner> grrr and now I am beating myself up I left in 2 lines of ##   oh well it happens - give me about an hour folks and I'll send the info to the list about what help is needed where  :-/ :-D"
[14:45] <akgraner> YoBoY, ahh ok - sorry for the delay in answering my mom stopped by with vegetables ...
[14:45] <akgraner> so to answer your questions about the upcoming events
[14:45] <akgraner>  it's pulled from the Classroom Calendar and the Fridge Calendar
[14:45] <akgraner>  is there an event you think should go there?
[14:45] <akgraner> All LoCo team information will be moved to a LoCo Calendar in the upcoming weeks - just so you know :-)
[14:46] <akgraner> that was what I posted earlier that didn't make it to the channel...:-/
[14:54] <YoBoY> ok thanks :) i asked becaus DC-team events are listed in this section, but a loco calendar is better ^^, the only event i should think about who feat in this calendar is our future locoteam meeting at the end of the month, but it's not really important
[14:57] <akgraner> YoBoY, yeah - the DC team has had their meeting on their for a while- so once we have the other calendar in place we'll move it from there and send out messages to the other loco teams etc
[15:10] <akgraner> ok the wiki for Issue 197 has been created - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue197
[15:10] <akgraner> I'll start adding links this afternoon :-)
[15:11] <akgraner> scott_ev, will add the upcoming meetings
[15:11] <akgraner> Please don't edit a section for someone without talking to that someone
[15:11] <akgraner> thanks:-)
[15:13] <akgraner> The reason I say that is - if things get fixed but no-one talks to the person who has taken ownership of that part of the newsletter - then it creates frustration on so many levels.. I know I would want someone to nudge me, so I could at least know why something wasn't right - :-D  Hope that makes sense and thanks in advance everyone!
[15:14] <akgraner> highvoltage, are you still up for writing some summaries this week?
[15:14] <akgraner> holstein, Pendulum and nigelb are  you all up for some summary writing as well?
[15:17] <highvoltage> akgraner: I remember I agreed to doing so and got the Google Doc from you, but I need some guidance on which parts need work/summarizing, I didn't do any last week
[15:17] <highvoltage> akgraner: but would be glad to do so this week!
[15:19] <akgraner> highvoltage, yep getting all that ready now :-)  Thank you!
[15:19] <highvoltage> akgraner: great!
[15:20] <akgraner> if we can work during the week  - I don't think we'll need the googledoc, but it's a safe place to put things and work on things outside the wiki - so I'll keep it active for now if that's ok with everyone?
[15:21] <akgraner> highvoltage, if you could summarize the planet section as I add links there that would be great.  - I'll add a couple of links their today and if you want you can write the summaries and ask me questions etc...unless there is another section you would rather work on?
[15:21] <Pendulum> akgraner: yep, I can do work during the week mostly :-)
[15:22] <highvoltage> akgraner: well, I follow the planit avidly so that would be perfect
[15:22] <akgraner> Pendulum, awesome!  still ok for the blogoshere section?
[15:22] <Pendulum> yep
[15:23] <akgraner> holstein, is great at the In other news - so I'll add him there :-)
[15:23] <akgraner> you all rock!!  Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! :-0
[15:23] <akgraner> :-)
[15:24]  * holstein just getting up akgraner 
[15:24] <holstein> im game
[15:24] <akgraner> holstein, thanks for your help yesterday - when you see internal kernel - nudge him to help you ok?
[15:25] <holstein> sure
[15:26] <holstein> akgraner: SO ill just finsih 'in other news' ?
[15:26] <holstein> maybe get daniel to help
[15:27] <akgraner> holstein, yep - I start adding links and you can whip them into shape
[15:27] <akgraner> is that cool
[15:27] <akgraner> and if you come across something you think should be in the newsletter - drop it in and write it up
[15:27] <akgraner> it's easier to have to much than not enough
[15:27] <holstein> i should have time
[15:27] <akgraner> the delete option is a beautiful thing
[15:27] <holstein> i'll give you a heads up when i gotta go
[15:29] <akgraner> ok that will work
[15:29] <holstein> akgraner: hmmm
[15:29] <akgraner> :-)
[15:29] <holstein> i think its done?
[15:30] <holstein> VMware conference down to jonos 'help wanted' ad
[15:30] <akgraner> holstein, yeah this issue is done
[15:30] <akgraner> sorry :-)
[15:30] <holstein> OH
[15:30] <holstein> this is the next one then
[15:30] <akgraner> I was talking about issue 197 for next weekend
[15:30] <akgraner> :-)
[15:30] <holstein> COOL
[15:31] <akgraner> yep the wiki is updated
[15:31] <holstein> yeah, i can do that
[15:31] <akgraner> and the googledoc will be in a sec
[15:31] <holstein> and i just plug away at it through the week
[15:31] <holstein> COOL
[15:31] <holstein> yeah, i can do that :)
[15:32] <akgraner> thanks
[15:37] <akgraner> brb gotta go pick up my car - I'll ping you all when the googledoc is ready :-)
[15:38] <highvoltage> great!
[16:05] <nigelb> akgraner: I can write summaries, but I'd want someone to review my work
[18:15] <akgraner> nigelb, we can make that happen :-)
[21:42] <akgraner> cjohnston, highvoltage highvoltage Pendulum nigelb nhandler here is the updated googledoc
[21:42] <akgraner> https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[21:42] <akgraner> where do the days go?
[21:42] <akgraner> wow
[21:42] <highvoltage> akgraner: sheesh, I ask myself that every few weeks when I realise that a few weeks have passed already instead of 3 days
[22:48] <scott_ev> akgraner: I'm glad that my section was edited so that now I see how it really shuld look
[22:49] <scott_ev> I didn't know that I had to make the time conversions to UTC if they hadn't done it in the fridge calendar
[23:17] <akgraner> scott_ev, the fridge calendar is in UTC
[23:17] <akgraner> now I am confused :-)
[23:18] <akgraner> but that is easily done these days  - hehe
[23:23] <scott_ev> OK< then all soomeone did was add UTC to where I had am/pm
[23:23] <scott_ev> simple enough
[23:24] <scott_ev> it was a minimal change and unnecessary except that it's obviously the prefered format for the newslettet
[23:24] <akgraner> yeppers :-)
[23:24] <akgraner> scott_ev, I left the meetings on the google doc since some are re-occurring
[23:25] <akgraner> I thought it might be easier to just double check them but you do whatever is easier for you :-)
[23:26] <scott_ev> on another note:  there i no  way that you should be working past early afternoon on the uwn