[00:21] mdadm is screwed from an install... [01:14] hey guys, i need some help with the system email my server trys to email out. [01:15] when i log in the server tells me i have new emails, but i have no diea how to see these, or forward them to my email account on my imap server [02:07] anyone use SSH server [02:25] CLEAR -all [02:26] soory all new to irssi [02:26] sorry that is : ) [03:19] I wonder if Microsoft has an internal IRC server === wieshka_ is now known as wieshka [03:36] windows dose not supply an installed IRC client [03:37] or an IRC server [03:38] No, it doesn't. [03:41] they just use messenger and outlook, I suppose [03:44] What do i need to do to have an unattended setup/installation? Is there a special instal media, or a boot argument? [04:20] my wife is now predicting she will be at the hospital within 24hr, heh [04:28] ccheney: why is that? [04:30] I'm assuming baby, given the chuckle at the end [04:31] New bug: #590600 in libcommons-jxpath-java (main) "Please merge libcommons-jxpath-java (1.3-3) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/590600 [04:34] unewbie1, baby was due on last friday but the doctor wasn't sure when it would actually come [04:34] disconnect [04:34] the doctor thought it wouldn't come until induction which was scheduled for june 17 [04:53] ccheney: gettin' close then? [04:53] ccheney: I wish you the best of luck on a happy healthy baby [04:55] MTecknology, yea any day now :) [04:56] ccheney: congrats - you an ubuntu member? - if so - make sure to put that on the planet [04:56] MTecknology, yea ubuntu core dev [04:56] ccheney: heh... i shoulda known that actually :P [04:57] heh :) [04:57] not like i haven't read email from you [04:58] you should grab the hostmask though - then I can know for sure jsut from a whois :P [04:58] MTecknology, yea i have one for my old nick, need to get an updated one [04:59] ccheney: is it a boy or girl? [05:00] boy [05:01] how do you know if he is not born yet? :D [05:01] ultrasound :) [05:01] yeah [05:02] i didn't know until my son was born [05:02] i don't trust usg [05:04] i try kvm on ubuntu 10.04 but it's keep complaining for error pci_add_option_rom: failed to find romfile "pxe-rtl8139.bin" [05:04] Could not initialize SDL - exiting [05:04] it's my first virtualization :D [05:04] and not work [05:05] unewbie1: odd.. [05:05] unewbie1: do virsh list --all [05:06] unewbie1: do you see anything listed and if so, pastebin what you see [05:07] no [05:07] i try to create my first guest os [05:07] pastebin the command you use and output [05:09] http://pastebin.com/fQuh2C1K [05:10] !kvm [05:10] kvm is the preferred virtualization approach in Ubuntu. For more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM [05:10] unewbie1: check out this page - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/CreateGuests [05:10] ok [05:10] unewbie1: personally - the kvm command is kind of a pain and i only use it if i'm not making an ubuntu guest [05:14] actually i dont understand virtualisation. i installed 10.04 yesterday and put a 400GB LVM partition. should i do this? :) [05:15] this partition created for the guests os [05:15] depends what you want to achieve :P [05:15] don't make a partition for just one guest [05:16] i made that 1 partition for 3 os [05:16] is that ok? [05:16] ya [05:16] I have a partition that's nearly 1TB on LVM for all guests at /virt [05:18] the partition was data and i create virt folder inside [05:18] is that ok? [05:19] depends if that's what you want [05:19] if that's what you want - then it's ok [05:19] i don't know what i want :D [05:19] i'm new [05:20] you want to play with virtualization - you know that much [05:20] i only want ubuntu servers in my machine [05:20] doing that mkes life much easier [05:21] i have few servers with no virtualisation so i wanna try [05:21] it's fun once you get the hang of it [05:21] libvirt is an interesting beast - your entire config is xml too [05:22] can i have web interface also? :D [05:23] You can.. but imo - you're much better off not doing that [05:23] why? isn't that easier? [05:24] My personal opinion is that you get a lot further learning to do things on cli - you're much more efficient most of the time if you can do something on cli as opposed to gui [05:24] in the case of libvirt - if you want gui I'd say get virt-manager [05:26] can i create my guest with libvirt too? [05:26] ya [05:27] just need to setup your storage pools correctly [05:28] how to setup the size? here https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/libvirt.html#libvirt-virt-install, i see: -s 4 [05:28] what's that mean? [05:28] 4 GB? [05:29] yup [05:30] i made the file with dd command earlier for 100 GB. should i put -s 100? [05:30] ya [05:30] wait [05:31] you want to use an existing system? [05:31] -s will be part of making a new disk [05:31] i want to use the existing [05:32] I haven't don that ever - it's easily possible but I probably can't help you short of google [05:33] then create new disk is fine [05:35] Starting install... [05:35] Creating storage file bar 100% |=========================| 100 GB 00:00 [05:35] Creating domain... 0 B 00:00 [05:35] Domain installation still in progress. You can reconnect to [05:35] the console to complete the installation process. [05:35] !pastebin [05:35] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [05:35] what is that mean? [05:36] sorry :D [05:36] ya know what i'd do..... [05:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/445899/ [05:37] make a vm that has a single 4GB disk - then swap that disk with the one you made - then you have everything else setup [05:37] where is the guest? [05:37] dont understand [05:37] it's in files [05:38] virsh list --all [05:38] do you see anything there yet? [05:38] Id Name State [05:38] ---------------------------------- [05:38] 1 barracuda running [05:38] your vm is running [05:39] and what to do then? [05:39] ssh into it [05:39] ssh? i don't even installed the os yet? [05:39] what is the ip then? [05:40] from your system you can do virt-viewer -c qemu+ssh://192.168.1.4/system barracuda where 192.168.1.4 is the host ip - not the vm [05:41] how do you know my ip? :) [05:42] call it a good guess [05:42] i'll try [05:43] virt-viewer is not installed yet [05:44] 50MB to download [05:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/445903/ [05:46] error [05:47] you caught the part where you run this on your system, right? [05:48] dont understand [05:49] your system = what you're typing on now [05:49] yes [05:50] the host [05:50] no [05:50] o [05:50] use another system with X [05:51] another ubuntu? [05:51] yes [05:51] i dont have any ubuntu desktop [05:53] did you use virt-install to make the vm? [05:53] yes [05:54] you're going to need to recreate the vm and build it with --add-pkg openssh-server [05:55] http://paste.ubuntu.com/445915/ that's how i create the vm [05:57] ya.. you need a desktop system in order to complete that install [05:57] i dont have desktop [05:57] any alternative? [05:58] how to recreate to vm? [05:58] virsh destroy barracuda && virsh undefine barracuda [05:59] lemme give you a magical command [05:59] Domain barracuda destroyed [05:59] Domain barracuda has been undefined [05:59] !enter [05:59] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [06:00] How much ram do you wantto give it? === jldugger is now known as pwnguin [06:00] 1 GB [06:01] how much swap? [06:01] dont understand [06:01] !swap [06:01] swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info [06:01] oh, and how many CPU's? [06:02] 2 GB swap and 1 cpu [06:02] the server only have 1 processsor [06:02] quad core [06:03] that means you can give it up to 4 procs [06:03] ok, lets give it 4 [06:03] 2GB swap is insane.. but ok [06:03] insane? [06:03] not enough? [06:04] very high [06:04] make it just enough [06:04] how much it should be? [06:04] I use 256MB on all of mine [06:04] on prod servers, the higher the better [06:04] it's for production [06:05] for desktop for people who are just playing witht their computers 256 is enough [06:05] blue-frog: not if it's a vm - then you just start thrashing the host [06:05] ah vm [06:05] hum [06:05] dunno about vm. sorry fr my talkings [06:05] ok let it 256 [06:06] unewbie1: what's your full name and what do you want for a user name? [06:06] didi for a username? [06:08] Looks like you're from Indonesia - are there any package mirrors near there? [06:12] unewbie1: I'm trying to rig up a command for you that you can reuse over and over and over [06:12] you still exist? [06:16] New bug: #590629 in dbconfig-common (main) "Please sync dbconfig-common 1.8.46 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/590629 [06:17] sorry [06:17] a phone call [06:17] that's ok [06:17] let's make didi [06:18] and full name? [06:18] supriyadi [06:18] that's not a full name but ok [06:18] that's a fullname here :) [06:18] you don't have last names? [06:18] nope [06:19] that's the culture here [06:19] odd [06:19] there... you ready for your magic command [06:19] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/445921/ [06:19] enjoy [06:20] the longest command i've ever seen [06:20] lol... that's the trimmed version [06:20] the one I use is MUCH longer - and if I'm adding static IP's... - but I know EXACTLY what I'm getting [06:21] is this vmbuilder should be installed first? [06:22] ya.. if you don't install the app you're trying to use you can't use it [06:22] ok [06:23] E: Couldn't find package vmbuilder [06:24] !kvm [06:24] kvm is the preferred virtualization approach in Ubuntu. For more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM [06:24] sudo aptitude install kvm libvirt-bin ubuntu-vm-builder bridge-utils [06:25] waiting for installation [06:26] how do you know everything? :D [06:29] i don't know that much [06:29] i have to configure email? [06:29] hm? [06:30] i got that screen here [06:30] i dont remember installing postfix [06:31] looks like postfix is coming with the aptitude [06:31] should i cancel it? [06:32] no [06:32] dependencies [06:32] ok [06:32] and? [06:33] how can i configure this postfix? [06:35] are you sure we need this postfix? [06:35] just let it install with defaults [06:36] no configuration? [06:36] no [06:36] or internet site? [06:36] or local only? [06:37] whatever was selected by default [06:37] i don't remember :D [06:37] i played around with the cursor [06:38] usually the default selected is the first in the list [06:38] that means no configuration [06:38] ok [06:38] is that ok? [06:38] press enter.. [06:39] ok [06:41] ok it's done [06:41] now it is the guest installation [06:45] another error message [06:45] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/445927/ [06:45] it's already exist [06:45] !enter [06:45] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [06:45] delete the existing disk image [06:46] ok [06:46] it's quiet now [06:47] is it going to take a long time? [06:47] yup [06:47] ok [06:47] when it finishes it will start and you can ssh into it because openssh-server will be installed [06:48] the timezone should be setup - and I set what I perceived to be the fastest package mirror for you [06:48] is it installing the os now? [06:48] yes [06:48] hi All, I've been using Ubuntu Server as an Apache for the server for the last week, and was thing about using it for a production machine. all my friends at work are telling me to only use RHEL or CentOS in prodcution, is ubuntu server no stabl;e enough? [06:49] and that command i gave you - i hate vim-tiny so i removed it and installed the full vim for ya [06:49] Yosi: lol... it's a matter of flavor - I use Ubuntu on all of my production servers [06:49] i only understand nano :D [06:50] yeah me too [06:51] and yes my friend said the same thing to me [06:51] do i need a firewall in front of the default install? or are all the major security ports locked by default [06:51] I know the centos community and they're great- so the OS choice really comes down to what you like better - for me i like the amazing usability of ubuntu [06:52] performance wise, I'm assuming ubuntu is as fast as rhel or cent for apache? [06:52] yes, new to linux, and ubuntu seems easier than cent [06:52] Yosi: in most linux distros there's nothing being listened to by default - I always use ufw which is amazingly easy - just makes sure nothing else is sneaking in [06:53] Yosi: me too [06:53] fair enough.. [06:54] I would always put a firewall in front (pfsense by choice) - that just makes routing much easier [06:54] it's my first distro actually [06:54] my raid tools are made for cent/rhel etc.. from LSI (9260-8i card), but I can just configure it by the RAID bios, and apparently kernel 2.6 has the lsi drivers build in... i just lose the management tools, but once the raid is established, i dont really need them [06:55] I'm wondering if it's possible to have apparmor restrict the output of ps like the grsecurity kernel module does. limit ps to only pids that the user owns? [06:56] Yosi, ubuntu server is most definitely secure by default [06:56] there is nothing listening on any ports on a default install [06:56] naiad2: I highly doubt it [06:56] qman__: thanks... [06:57] what i don't understand is why, big sites like ebay etc.. have problems with DOS attacks... can't most firewalls block a DOS attack? [06:57] no [06:58] can't they just block that IP from spamming them? [06:58] nope [06:58] if you have 10GB traffic running through a 1GB pipe; you're plugged up - even if you block all that traffic - you still have to process that other 9GB [06:59] yes [07:00] the problem is DDoS [07:00] it comes from many IPs, all over the world [07:00] they run a public site, they can't just shut down all connections [07:01] the only way to deal with it is to have more resources than your attacker [07:01] you can configure your firewall to dynamically slow single-poing DoS attacks, but DDoS is nearly impossible to stop that way [07:01] single-point* [07:01] Easy solution: Compose a fake letter where it says it's terrorists behind the attack and send it to Pentagon. They will have those hackers nuked sooner than you can say "Wake up it's a beautiful morning!" [07:02] the usual approach is just that, get more bandwidth, and try to find the source of the attacks [07:02] :P [07:02] the person running the botnet [07:02] and get the botnet shut down that way [07:02] X-Sleepy-X: little offtopic for this channel [07:02] back, got some water... [07:02] I wonder if that's why it's so hard to purchase upload speed in the states... [07:02] MTecknology: Kind of, yeah. But it was my way of saying good morning. ;) [07:03] I can get 30mbit download for cheap enough - getting >1mbit upload gets to be insane [07:03] the problem stateside is that the telcoms have government-backed monopolies [07:03] no accountability, so they are way behind on upgrading their lines and tech [07:03] in Canada 20mbs fiber provisioned over E100 service is about $1400 a month [07:04] when my connection doesn't work the way it's supposed to, I don't have any resolution [07:04] there is only one ISP [07:04] ouch [07:04] if they don't perform, I'm SOL [07:05] burn [07:05] I pay about 300 euros for 10/10 Mbit/s but I get about 15/30 Mbit/s. === MTecknology is now known as MTeck-ricer [07:05] US connections are the opposite [07:05] you pay for 10/2, and get 6/1.5 in off-hours [07:05] pretty much [07:05] Actually.. I get what i pay for [07:06] i think the US is the cheapest I've seen for bw, cheaper than canada [07:06] I get 15/1 [07:06] MTeck-ricer: installation is finish [07:06] are these ordinary home connections [07:06] $30/mo [07:06] now how to ssh? [07:06] business connections too [07:06] im from uk and my upload is disproportinately slower [07:06] DSL and cable [07:07] unless you pay $300+ for a T1, you won't get your advertised speeds [07:07] unewbie1: 'nmap -sP 172.16.88.0/24' - figure out which new node popped up [07:07] (per month) [07:07] at least, you can't count on getting your advertised speeds [07:07] i get around 8 Mbit down and 512 kbits up [07:07] some areas are better than others [07:07] I pay ~$45/mo for 15/1 on cable [07:07] I get what i paid for and that makes me happy [07:07] I pay 38,58 for my connection. I get 15/30. [07:08] :) [07:08] another package to be installed [07:08] x-sleepy-x: where are u from? [07:08] Sweden [07:08] nice [07:08] my cable is $70/mo, for 8/1.5 [07:08] I could order 100/100 [07:08] I pay $60 for 8/1 at home [07:08] But that's a bit more expensive [07:09] but it's only gotten that fast in the last month [07:09] I only pay for 10/10 but I get a bit more... ;) [07:09] I was paying the same rate for 5/512k [07:09] what am i looking for here? [07:09] I switched ISP's - I was getting 1/256k [07:09] same into price [07:10] That's not good. [07:10] only one option here, the cable company [07:10] this new intro price lasts about 8mo longer - and after the change this new one is cheaper [07:10] no DSL available, satellite and cell is a joke [07:10] Start a ISP company... [07:10] an* [07:10] i hope ubuntu sees my raid array.. i have 4 intel ssd's x25-m 160gb comming tomorrow... pluggin them into my lsi 9260 6 gb/s raid card and going to load ubuntu on that as my apache server... [07:11] would be fun to start a datacenter... lol [07:11] qman__: gah... theyr website is horrible too [07:11] Yosi, you might look into the different versions of apache available [07:11] the default one is a bit slower in favor of the biggest feature set [07:11] mpm-prefork [07:12] or just use nginx [07:12] with a system like that, you're obviously concerned with performance [07:12] nginx > apache | stop abusing resources [07:12] so try the different options out [07:12] thanks qman, i will check into that [07:12] see what works [07:12] prefork isn't the default [07:12] It's only pulled in if you ask for PHP [07:13] qman: exactly, I want hi IOPs..... its apache, php and mysql [07:13] which you ask for if you use LAMP [07:13] qman__: wow.... their website is BAD [07:13] charter? yeah [07:13] you should try using their webmail [07:13] it's an event [07:13] their DNS servers are useless too, I run my own [07:14] bah, tasksel blows [07:14] qman__: if i buy now i can get phone/email/phone for only $130/mo :P [07:14] why not opendns? [07:15] opendns didn't exist at the time [07:15] when I set it up [07:15] twb: I used to like it - but i no long er use it - not tasksel fullfills what i want anymore :P [07:16] so I learned BIND, and set up local DNS to address windows being completely retarded about network names [07:16] and just stuck with it [07:16] qman__: mine - http://www.midco.net/ [07:16] I wouldn't use BIND to resolve hosts on a private network. [07:16] dnsmasq is prettier for that [07:16] MTeck-ricer is there another way to find where is my guest os? [07:16] is it faster to resolve dns on the same box as the webserver or better performance have dns handled by a seperate company? [07:17] unewbie1: twb how can you figure out the ip that a guest virt instance has? [07:17] well, if performance is an issue, I'd just disable name resolution on the web server itself [07:17] s/unewbie1: twb/twb:/ [07:18] MTeck-ricer: erm, ask your virtualization infrastructure? [07:18] :D [07:18] that's me [07:19] twb: if it were me i would have checked the mac against dhcp leases in the firewall :P [07:19] hm.. [07:19] unewbie1: do you have access to your dhcp server so you can s [07:20] unewbie1: do you have access to your dhcp server so you can see the dhcp leases? * [07:21] qman, so u wouldn't run bind on the LAMP server... my upstream provider that does our server colocation, has dns we've been using for now... just wasn't sure if it would be faster to have godaddy pointed to BIND on my LAMP server or to my upstream provdider DNS then to my LAMP server without BIND [07:21] handling DNS requests for clients, let another server do the job [07:22] whether it's yours or the ISP's doesn't matter, but not on the web server [07:22] I thought you meant looking up names for firewalling or log viewing [07:22] ahhh [07:22] no just for the clients [07:22]