apacheloggerJontheEchidna: knh should probably suggest apport so we can take it off the iso for releases?00:25
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: also, do we document PrivateClass members?00:25
apacheloggernot private class members, but PrivateClass members that is ;)00:25
JontheEchidnaIt's < 50 kb, plus its useful for reporting dpkg errors. I'd opt for keeping it on, as long as we don't have to use it for crash reporting00:27
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: you mean documenting the member in the forward declaration of the variable in PrivateClass?00:28
JontheEchidnalike a normal variable/function?00:28
apacheloggerno, I mean the actual members of the privateclass in the .cpp00:29
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: oh, I just noticed gdb, and now I realize that we need that for drkonqi anyway, so nvm00:29
* apachelogger finds the CD horribly fat00:30
JontheEchidnathat's what I meant. OK, we're on the same page00:30
apacheloggermy almost completely wiped fluffy is still > 500 MiB00:30
JontheEchidnaI document mine with // comments00:30
apacheloggerapprox 100 of that is printer stuff :/00:30
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: yeah, though it looks sort of horrible00:30
apacheloggermakes the code difficult to read IMHO00:31
apacheloggerbecaus eyou do not realize this is a class declaration right there00:31
JontheEchidna/ lol guys i am declaring teh class nao00:31
apacheloggerwhile if you do have one large block it will probably fit on the screen and be easier to understand :/00:32
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: still looks ugly though :/00:32
JontheEchidnaZerg m_zerg; //kekekeke00:32
apacheloggerespecially with a lot of members00:32
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: that will not work if you have an inline method though00:33
apacheloggeror any member function really00:33
apacheloggeru1::SyncDaemon does have a lot of those00:33
apacheloggeralso technically same-line documentation is violating the policy ;)00:34
JontheEchidnaOh, I wasn't suggesting we do that. I just didn't want to use mroe than one line in irc ;)00:34
apacheloggeryeah, makes sense00:34
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I think the policy should explicity state that only stuff in the .h must be documented00:34
claydoh_apachelogger:  oddball question: your u1 stuff, would that stuff be "portable" to another distro easily?00:35
claydoh_just curious00:35
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: and another thing about privateclasses ... I think we should also ommit the m_ prefix00:35
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: because it is obvious through d-> that we are talking to the privateclass00:35
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I agree00:35
apacheloggerhaving the m_ prefix is sort of redundant there00:35
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: do you have time to make the policy reflec that somehow? otherwise I'll look at it tomorrow?00:36
* apachelogger is in a state of fluff right now ^^00:36
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JontheEchidnaapachelogger: currently I'm testing out getting pulseaudio working with phonon now that we have sensible phonon00:36
JontheEchidnaseems to work ok, except that for with PA I get sound out of both the speakers and headphones00:37
apacheloggerclaydoh_werk: my stuff is even portable to another OS ... it is the other stuff that could make problems00:37
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: oh, you should poke the mandriva dude who is phonon-paing00:37
apacheloggervery awesome guy00:37
apacheloggerand he is scotts ;)00:38
JontheEchidnaI have deducted that it's not a phonon problem, since it occurs with paplay too00:38
claydoh_werkapachelogger: so it could theoretically be Kubuntu who helps bring u1  to the masses (non-Ubuntu) :)00:38
JontheEchidnaprobably crappy sound drivers00:38
claydoh_werkapachelogger: just my idle brain here on my dinner break00:39
apacheloggerI do not see why the other stuff should not be portable really00:39
apacheloggerassuming all is packaged properly00:39
apacheloggerimbrandon: ^00:40
claydoh_werkapachelogger: I agree, it is mostly just python, correct?00:40
apacheloggerclaydoh_werk: imbrandon is porting it to debian, so he would know where pitfalls are00:40
apacheloggerclaydoh_werk: yeah, mostly python00:40
apacheloggeractually, my perspective is all python00:40
apacheloggerthe only non-python stuff is in the GTK/GNOME frontend stuff00:40
* claydoh_werk wishes he were code savvy00:41
fregltsimpson: ping00:55
tsimpsonfregl: pong00:56
fregltsimpson: about the fluffy blog on jussi01 - the wordpress asks to be updated - should we care about that?00:57
CIA-91[ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100607235703-aqn3la76rtmjueel * src/ (4 files in 2 dirs) dptr++ for syncdaemon00:57
tsimpsonyou shouldn't, but I should ;)00:57
fregltsimpson: ok, thanks00:57
tsimpsonI'm debating if the OS should be upgraded to lucid or if I should just grab a newer wordpress00:57
tsimpsonup to jussi really :)00:58
freglhehe, ok - you get that sorted out :)00:58
fregltsimpson: do I ask you also if we want to get a new theme in there?01:00
tsimpsonyou should be able to install a theme yourself01:00
freglok, I don't know wordpress that well, will try01:00
apacheloggerIIRC the ftp access data stuff is not setup01:01
apacheloggerand without that wp refuses to do the job01:01
tsimpsonthe theme dir is writeable by www-data01:01
tsimpsonso just use the link from the admin pages01:01
fregltsimpson: it asks for hostname - what would that be?01:03
tsimpsonfregl: what asks for that?01:03
freglthe add new theme stuff01:03
freglor do I copy the theme in a different way?01:03
freglwhen browsing themes it asks for hostname/username/pw and connection type (ftp/ftps)01:04
* fregl pokes Nightrose01:04
* Nightrose pokes fregl01:04
Nightrosefregl: why am i being poked?01:05
freglNightrose: because of all the fluffy being your fault, admit it!01:05
* Nightrose denies everything01:05
* apachelogger hugs Nightrose01:07
Nightroseawww hugs!01:07
* Nightrose hugs apachelogger01:07
tsimpsonwell, wordpress is teh suck01:07
Nightroseguys... why are we still awake at this ungodly hour?01:07
Nightrosetsimpson: wordpress is the r0ck!01:08
* apachelogger giggles over ungodly hour01:08
tsimpsonit's far to late to setup a secure ftp server right now01:08
apacheloggerNightrose: we are doing fluffy alpha101:08
tsimpsonfregl: if you give me a link, I'll install the theme01:08
apacheloggerwell I am doing anyay :P01:08
apachelogger"My Name is Michele Maiya, can you be my soul mate?"01:09
apacheloggeroh dear01:10
apacheloggerfregl: upload is gonna take 2.5 hours -.-01:10
apacheloggercreating the ISOs on a machine with more bandwith would make more sense for sure01:10
apacheloggerfregl: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/fluffy/#comment-25101:10
fregltsimpson: thanks, but I haven't really decided on anything yet01:15
freglNightrose: we are up because if I sleep now, I will miss my train to berlin to linux tag which would be a shame because then I could not present the fluffy there01:15
tsimpsonok, I'll look at getting a secure ftp server going so you can install things yourself later01:15
Nightrosefregl: so you're not sleeping tonight?01:16
freglNightrose: I never do ;)01:16
Nightrosei know for a fact you do ;-)01:16
freglapachelogger: we are becomming an official freenode project now01:16
Nightrose(or you face it pretty well)01:16
freglI can even fake it :D01:16
apacheloggerfake sleep or fake the not sleeping?01:20
apacheloggerfregl: yay at freenode project \o/01:20
apacheloggeralso if you take fregl's conext a bit out of context it makes a whole lot of different sense :P01:20
* fregl hugs apachelogger for being evil01:21
freglbah, that blog needs lots of fluffin01:21
freglpink wordpress themes tend to be cheesy - horrible01:24
apacheloggeroh dear01:26
apacheloggerdptr with cctor01:27
apacheloggerthis is gonna be fun \o/01:27
* Nightrose is le tired and goes to bed01:30
Nightrosenini :)01:30
freglNightrose: sleep well, if you do sleep indeed01:30
Nightrosei do as you might know01:31
apacheloggeralways this sleepery01:31
* apachelogger kisses Nightrose goodnight01:31
CIA-91[ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100608003425-67miff1wb07xkkch * src/libs/ (SyncDaemonStatus.cpp SyncDaemonStatus.h) dptr++ is sort of weird really ... so, dptr for syncdaemonstatus ... ok that is boring ... dptr++01:34
apacheloggerkubotu: karma dptr01:35
kubotukarma for dptr: 201:35
CIA-91[ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100608003707-7rxss2wz7dfwykkt * src/libs/CMakeLists.txt s/ubuntuone_kde/ubuntuone-kde01:37
fregltsimpson: could you install http://www.wptmp.com/preview/807/ for now? that would be uberawesome of you :)01:38
apacheloggertarget name conflict :/01:45
CIA-91[ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100608004520-hods0u5e4jmzr0vr * (6 files in 4 dirs) Make libuntuone-kde shared, now we have a linking conflict app ubuntuone-kde vs. lib -> rename app to -statusnotifier... dont like that!01:45
apacheloggerfregl: this upload is taking forever -.-01:51
apacheloggerfregl: we really need to find some sponsor, so that I can have a sweet server for doing the isos ^^01:52
apacheloggerNightrose: btw, new moby remix album is out, super awesome it is01:53
freglapachelogger: any idea how we can create a text file on the fluffy blog? seems like permission problems to me 01:58
apachelogger98 likers on facebook!!!!01:59
apacheloggerfregl: a text file?01:59
freglapachelogger: yay - but now it should be fine02:00
freglwe get freenodegrouped - rofl02:01
freglapachelogger: did you get contacted by someone?02:04
apacheloggerindeed I did02:05
fregluh, I should be in bed... since quite some time actually02:05
apacheloggerfregl: no point in going to bed now :P02:06
fregldude, I'll be all cranky and whiny otherwise02:06
fregland I'll not have sleep till sunday02:07
apacheloggerbut loads of fun ^^02:08
freglI hope I won't have enough beer to start forking any linux distro02:08
apacheloggerfregl: you will become liason :P02:09
apachelogger+i somewhere02:10
apacheloggerI think02:10
freglit is all so crazy02:10
* apachelogger should probably also be in bed, but oh well02:10
apacheloggerfregl: it is sort of scrary indeed02:10
freglwe need to get into real press - let's write something for linux magazin and c't and so on, as soon as the alpha is out :)02:10
apacheloggerfregl: though... we might want to have kicking ass alpha then02:11
freglok, let's see how feedback is02:12
freglI'll try to talk to peoplez at linux tach02:12
jjesseyou two need a fluffy-docs package then?02:13
apacheloggerI very much suppose so02:13
apacheloggerthat said02:13
jjesseprobablly not much different then kubuntu-docs i guess02:14
* apachelogger was thinking about somehow getting his bachelor thesis stuff surround khelpcenter02:14
apacheloggerjjesse: well, the software selection is different, but other than that there isnt much difference02:15
jjesseapachelogger then i would talk to nixternal and see where project mallard from gnome docs is going w/ kde docs before spending too much time02:15
apacheloggerother than the appearance of course ;)02:15
jjessehrmm would need an "About Fluffy" document instead of "about kubuntu"02:15
apacheloggerI think that is just a desktop file, so that should be the least of the problems02:16
tsimpsonfregl: Rounded V2 pink edition installed02:18
fregltsimpson: many thanks - another question - I cannot seem to access the "about" page I just created02:18
freglpage creation seems broken02:18
tsimpsondid you publish it?02:19
freglbut preview is just as broken02:20
tsimpsonhmm, one sec02:20
freglit works now02:22
fregltsimpson: did you fix it or was the other theme just crap?02:23
tsimpsonapparently I fixed it02:24
tsimpsonthough I don't actually know how...02:24
tsimpsonno one touch it02:24
* tsimpson backs away slowly02:24
* apachelogger hands tsimpson a cookie02:25
* fregl hugs tsimpson :D02:25
fregltsimpson: hm... image upload also doesn't seem to work...???02:26
apacheloggeromg, so many things to do this week -.-02:27
tsimpsonyeah, I just noticed02:27
* apachelogger is wondering if tsimpson shouldnt also be in bed02:27
* tsimpson should02:27
fregltsimpson: and while I'm bugging you... we have this identica group - do you know if there is a wordpress plugin for that?02:27
freglbut not today02:27
apacheloggerno one goes to bed these days02:27
fregltsimpson: thanks for all your help → bed02:27
* fregl should hit the matress too02:28
freglor pack things for linux tag02:28
jjessehow bout bed?02:28
apacheloggerfirst packing then bed02:28
* apachelogger dbouts that fregl will get up timely anyway :P02:28
freglapachelogger: ingo told me to be at the train station at 8:50 :(02:29
apacheloggerwhen do you need to get up then?02:30
* apachelogger finds 8:50 an ungodly hour anyway02:30
apacheloggerin the middle of the night02:31
tsimpsonfregl: it doesn't look like there's a way to feed identica into wordpress02:31
tsimpsonthat I can find02:31
apachelogger99 likers02:31
* apachelogger falls over02:32
fregltsimpson: I think my other blog has one... http://vikingisaverb.com/02:32
tsimpsonI get a squatting-site there02:32
freglah, damn02:32
freglI just copied the link from the fsfe.org wordpress install02:33
fregltsimpson: it goes by the name "Identi.ca Tools"02:33
freglbut that is really not something for tonight02:34
* apachelogger reloads the facebook site every 5 seconds to not miss when we reach 100 likers ^^02:34
freglapachelogger: take a screenshot02:35
tsimpsonshould be installed now :)02:35
freglah, you put in the new blog post there02:35
fregltsimpson: you should be in bed instead of doing awesome stuff for us!02:35
tsimpsonwell I've spent a good 9 hours trying to burn a CD today, so I'm a little frustrated and can't sleep02:37
freglhm... no XML-RPC means no blogilo - I've become quite fond of that lately02:37
freglthat sounds like a long time...02:37
tsimpsonit felt longer02:37
freglhave you tried switching it on and off again?02:37
tsimpsonyes ;)02:37
tsimpsonit's actually something to do with wodim02:37
apacheloggerclassic one02:38
tsimpsonit's one of those "fatal error: no error" messages :|02:38
apacheloggeroh, sweet, that is like evolutions "an error occured"02:38
apacheloggerI forgot to brand kickoff02:40
apacheloggerfregl: IMHO that ISO will only pass as developer snapshot02:40
freglok, so it's going to be just a early testers version - let's call it 4.0 :D02:40
* fregl takes away the "just another wordpress blog subtitle"02:41
apacheloggerfirefox stills need to be configured as default02:42
apacheloggerand konqueror needs to be hidden from the menu02:42
apacheloggeralso apparently I did not apply the switch to vlc yet02:42
apacheloggeroh well02:42
apacheloggerfregl: I threw marble on the iso though02:43
freglat least something :)02:43
apacheloggergtk themings i broken ^^02:43
apacheloggerah, right, becuase there is no kubuntu-default-settings the autotheming does not kcik in02:43
freglhm, identica plugin only allows one identica account :(02:43
freglouch - I still need to write a nice long email... forget sleep :(02:45
freglthe world is horrible! I wish it was pink instead!02:46
* tsimpson attempts to sleep o/02:46
apacheloggerhoney, we shall make it pink, I promise.02:46
apacheloggertsimpson: nities02:46
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fregldream of pink sleeps02:57
freglwe got identi.ca rss now, seems ok02:57
freglbut images are still broken02:57
freglimages are not broken, just that one was02:58
freglhm, or they are broken still :(02:59
freglwe will need a mailing list at some point03:02
apacheloggerfregl: launchpad also does that03:03
apacheloggerlaunchpad is like sf.net just in python ...03:03
freglisn't lunchpad scary?03:04
apacheloggerstill 99 likers on facebook :(03:04
apacheloggerfregl: ... it is python03:04
freglyeah, hurry up people03:04
freglapachelogger: well, that is actually nice :)03:04
apacheloggeris it now :P03:04
apacheloggeryou should probably take a look at the code before saying such things03:05
apacheloggerlike really :P03:05
apacheloggerI should go bedwards, since I need to do maths assignment tomorrow03:05
apachelogger+ I should be implement TCP03:05
apachelogger+ I should be implementing a nethack clone03:05
JontheEchidnayay, finally syncdaemon isn't slow as crap03:05
apacheloggerso many things to do03:06
apacheloggeroh JontheEchidna is here \o/03:06
freglah, the image is in now - weird03:06
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: now I actually know that my dolphin integration sort of wokrs ;)03:07
apacheloggerfregl: can you please decide on wehter it is working or not? :P03:07
freglI cannot, as you see03:07
freglbut the image is shown on the page now03:07
freglI take that as a yes03:07
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: did you already like fluffy on facebook?03:07
apacheloggerfregl: maybe it is that silly browser of your's :P03:08
JontheEchidnaooh, I can be 10003:08
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: yes you can!03:08
* JontheEchidna is 10003:08
freglapachelogger: I'm currently using firefox :( the other one is acting silly indeed03:08
freglwe got 10003:08
freglhttp://www.facebook.com/pages/Fluffy/124142040948771 → amazingly scary03:09
freglespecially someone signing up on facebook to work on fluffy is weird03:09
freglnow we made some poor soul lose the game against fakebook :(03:10
apacheloggerwell that is life03:11
apacheloggernow I can go to bed03:11
apacheloggerI showcocked it though03:11
apacheloggerdented it :P03:12
apacheloggeroh my03:12
apacheloggersee, time for bed03:12
apacheloggernighties everyone03:12
apacheloggerfregl: save trip03:12
* fregl hugs apachelogger good night03:12
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1135728 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Hide details widget once cache update is done03:18
valoriesweet fluffy dreams, apachelogger03:28
JontheEchidnanew dbusmenu-qt fixes statusnotifier right clicks in maverick \o/03:51
crimsun_JontheEchidna: RE 591036, you have a problematic toggle called 'Independent HP',003:51
crimsun_JontheEchidna: depending on the version of Kubuntu (well, linux/alsa-driver), this toggle behaves in opposing manners03:52
crimsun_JontheEchidna: this toggle is tied to 'Master Front',0 and 'Front',0 both03:52
crimsun_JontheEchidna: so, you should experiment with all three and tell me which option gives you the "expected behaviour" -- whatever the heck that is :)03:53
JontheEchidnaOk, will do. Thanks for looking in to it.03:53
crimsun_please follow up in the bug report; I'm away for irc for a good long while03:53
crimsun_away from *03:54
JontheEchidnacrimsun_: Oh, before I forget, would you mind if I did a pulseaudio upload in the near future adding the start-pulseaudio-kde files? (Or could you?)03:54
crimsun_JontheEchidna: feel free, but be careful. You need to check what I did with start-pulseaudio-x11.in.03:59
crimsun_JontheEchidna: i.e., sync them. If you aren't careful, all sorts of things will break.03:59
JontheEchidna!find /usr/share/doc/python-kde4-doc/html/kdecore/KLocale.html lucid04:05
ubottuPackage/file /usr/share/doc/python-kde4-doc/html/kdecore/KLocale.html does not exist in lucid04:05
JontheEchidna!find /usr/share/doc/python-kde4-doc/html/kdecore/KLocale.html maverick04:05
ubottuFile /usr/share/doc/python-kde4-doc/html/kdecore/KLocale.html found in python-kde4-doc04:05
JontheEchidnamaco: new in maverick^04:05
JontheEchidnamaco: http://pastebin.com/wUx8XFXM04:06
valoriecrimsun -- all kinds of sound stuff seems broken lately04:06
valorieso many people are coming into #amarok with NO sound04:06
valoriemostly gnomies using Amarok04:07
JontheEchidnapulseaudio and phonon aren't playing very nicely at all in lucid, since phonon in Qt was such a mess in 4.6 :(04:07
JontheEchidnaeven after patching it up to kde's phonon04:07
valorieeven in my loco channel, there was a guy with the same problem04:07
JontheEchidnafrom the looks of it, things are much improved in maverick now that we have sane kde phonon04:07
valorieyup, think it's phonon-PA04:08
* valorie had to uninstall PA04:08
valorieand now phonon-xine doesn't work at all04:08
valoriethank goodness for phonon-vlc04:08
JontheEchidnacrimsun_: turns out, that I can get the effect I want by muting front with Independent HP at Off. I had been just trying setting front to zero, but that didn't work.04:08
JontheEchidnacrimsun_: I'll record that in the bug report, for posterity04:09
macoJontheEchidna: how about... what does this mean? TypeError: KLocale.languageList(): first argument of unbound method must have type 'KLocale'04:09
macoi dont know what "unbound" method means04:09
JontheEchidnaI'm a bit rusty on my weird python errors04:11
JontheEchidnamaco: could you paste a snippet of the code?04:12
macothat line is simply:  LANG=KLocale.languageList()    ...which apparently is wrong04:13
macobut then help(KLocale) says that function that's in the KLocale doc online doesnt exist... so... hmm04:13
macopython help shows KLocale.allLanguagesList() which gives the same error04:15
JontheEchidnamaco: ah, do you have a klocale instance already?04:16
JontheEchidnamaybe try KLocale locale, then locale.languageList()04:16
macoi tried making one by going like:  kl = KLocale() and then LANG=kl.languageList()04:17
macoand that gave me more errors so i undid it04:17
macoi think its telling me im using the constructor wrong04:17
macoit says it wants 3 args, but the help() doesnt say what they are :-/04:18
macojust:  __init__(...)04:18
crimsun_valorie: sorry, but that is no fault of anything pulse or below.04:19
JontheEchidnaoh oh04:19
macovalorie: i think he's blaming phonon04:19
crimsun_23:06 < valorie> crimsun -- all kinds of sound stuff seems broken lately04:20
JontheEchidnamaco: I think that all KApplications already have a klocale instance, accessible by KGlobal.locale()04:20
valoriethat could very well be04:20
JontheEchidnamaco: I found this in the old update-notifier-kde: language = KGlobal.locale().language()04:20
valoriesince we haven't found one fix which works for everyone04:20
valoriecause is still unknown04:20
macoJontheEchidna: now i need a KGlobal! 04:20
* maco looks around for one04:20
macoJontheEchidna: thank you :)04:21
ScottKWho's doing kdebase-workspace this time around?04:21
crimsun_valorie: are reporters using a sane Phonon for starters?04:21
ScottKAh, lex79.04:22
JontheEchidna10.04 unfortunately couldn't ship with a sane phonon in regards to pulseaudio :(04:22
macoJontheEchidna: :-/ hrmmm im still failing04:22
JontheEchidnathe build systems are almost completely different04:22
JontheEchidnawhich led to problems which we couldn't identify or fix by release04:22
valorieI'm hearing from Debian and Ubuntu users, mostly04:22
macoJontheEchidna: times like these, i <3 Java.... the Java Doc is *awesome*04:22
valorieso.....perhaps not a sane phonon04:23
JontheEchidnamaco: new errors?04:23
macoJontheEchidna: i did from PyKDE4.kdecore import KGlobal04:23
valoriehowever, my phonon is whatever came with Lucid04:23
macoJontheEchidna: and it tells me KGlobal.language() is a noneType04:23
crimsun_lucid's phonon is Extra Special.04:23
valorie4.6.2, according to synaptic04:24
JontheEchidnamaco: could I see your main function please?04:24
JontheEchidnamaybe something funky is going on in kapplication construction04:25
macoJontheEchidna: OH04:25
macoJontheEchidna: ok brain fail04:25
macohang on :)04:25
macooh no wait04:25
macoi was trying to just run the class that i'm playing with, not the whole program. but i just tried with the whole program too, and it still fell over04:26
JontheEchidnaI think it definitely won't work without the kapplication there04:26
macoso hmm do i have to call it in main then?04:27
macoor can i call it in one of the functions that main calls?04:27
JontheEchidnaafter your kapplication is created you can run any class and it should work ok04:28
* maco glares at pykde04:30
JontheEchidnamaco: http://pastebin.com/FwrGjb7Z04:31
macoit works if i put it in the __init__ of the class that's instantiated by window= under if __name__ == "__main__" bit04:37
macobut if i put it in one of the methods that that __init__ calls, it fail04:38
macoer... if that method that its calling is in a different module. oh this is annoying!04:39
freglpeople start to ask how to join the fluffy team :) hilarious04:42
freglapachelogger: now I did go without sleeping :(04:42
ScottKfregl: Sleep is for the weak.04:57
freglhey ScottK :)04:57
freglI am weak though :p04:57
ScottKWe all are to some degree.04:57
freglI finally got #fluffy officially registered and fluffy is a freenode accepted project now04:58
freglScottK: what's the state of kubuntu netbook?04:58
freglI'll make some promo for it at linux tag, without ever having used it04:59
ScottKfregl: In Lucid it's pretty solid.  Lots of good reviews.04:59
ScottKSo far the recent netbook reviews I see are good.05:00
freglgreat :) it is a different cd to grab, right? or is all I would need on the default kubuntu cd?05:00
freglthat makes me happy05:00
ScottKDifferent ISO.  It's sized for a USB install05:00
freglit is probably much better than the suse thing, which was a bit unfortunate...05:00
ScottKWhich means it can include games, some edu stuff, and more translations.05:00
freglah, I need a usb stick?05:00
freglmaybe I should play with it tomorrow05:01
* ScottK will confess to having lost his temper a bit with asiego over that one.05:01
ScottKfregl: Yes, USB stick or SD card and usb-creator-kde.05:01
ScottKIt's a live CD image, so you can run it off of USB.05:01
freglyeah, I think the whole show was really stupid, I felt sorry afterward...05:01
freglok, I'll check that, thanks05:02
ScottKIt's all good in the end I guess.05:02
nixternalheh, I have been trying out the suse thing...ouch...rarely does it work, at least for me05:02
ScottKnixternal: plasma-netbook on KDE trunk is a rougher ride than KDE 4.4 at the moment.  I've got 4.4.80 on my netbook now and it's definitely very beta.05:02
freglnixternal: but the goal for the suse stuff is not stability but having the latest to give designers and such05:03
nixternalfregl: right, I understand that, but what good is it for designers or devs, when it doesn't work half the time?05:03
ScottKfregl: Certainly, it just pissed me off that as the one distro that was really pushing the netbook stuff forward, we got totally blown off.05:03
fregldon't ask me... I wonder how maintained it is.. probably not much05:03
nixternalI do like ScottK, and build it on my desktop, and then copy the files over05:03
ScottKnixternal: No, I'm actually running maverick on hardware.05:04
nixternalScottK: politics on that one05:04
ScottKThe netbook is just for experimentation.05:04
nixternaloh, you are running beta...sorry, didn't catch that05:04
freglok, I don't even have a netbook, so I don't care much about that :D05:04
nixternalfregl: haha05:04
fregland I have 4.4 and trunk05:04
ScottKfregl: I also use netbook on an older desktop with weak graphics.05:05
freglbut I guess I'll recommend kubuntu netbook instead of the suse stuff05:05
ScottKplasma-netbook is noticeably lighter than desktop.05:05
macoScottK: you have mav on hardware? i thought you didnt do that05:05
freglgood argument05:05
freglanything else that would be good to mention/know about netbook?05:05
ScottKmaco: It's the netbook.  If it dies, it dies.  I reinstalled it twice during UDS.05:05
* JontheEchidna is weak, zzz05:06
ScottKfregl: Since netbook is a major thrust for Canonical, Kubuntu gets the benefit of all the hardware enablement work their OEM team is doing for Ubuntu.05:06
ScottKSo not only do we do a bang up job on the KDE bits here, we're leveragling a pretty huge investment that Canonical has made for Ubuntu Netbook.05:07
ScottKI know that sounds marketroid, but it's actually true.05:07
ScottKfregl: ^^^05:08
freglhehe, ok05:09
fregland for the general plasma-netbook shell? is it actually good to use? I imagine copy and paste between two windows sucks with that always fullscreen stuff05:09
freglbut it's a neat idea in any case05:10
ScottKfregl: The user feedback has been very positive.05:11
freglScottK: \o/ I will mention that05:11
freglI get to do an interview for a german linux radio about it :)05:11
ScottKWhen I showed the tech preview of it ~ a year ago, at an Ubuntu Developer Summit, I got at least one lifelong Gnome user to switch to KDE withit.05:12
freglI would care more about converting windows users though ;)05:12
ScottKfregl: Here's a decent overview (except all the stuff he says doesn't work, actually does, you know how it is): http://gadgetmix.com/index/kubuntu-netbook-review/05:16
freglthanks ScottK05:17
freglthat is perfect for the train :)05:17
fregllol - Sure, you can install Gnome environment instead of KDE and make it look exactly like a standard Ubuntu05:18
freglhe could install ubuntu and have it look like ubuntu also :)05:19
freglScottK: is there a good was to "un-fullscreen" a window? I guess it's some kwin rule stuff?05:21
ScottKThe app control in the right of the panel has a button for that.05:22
ScottKThat app control replaces your usual maximize/mininmize/close for each application so you get more usable space on a small netbook screen.05:23
ScottKIf you don't want it at all, change the kwin windeco05:24
ScottKWe ship all the same ones desktop does05:24
freglok, I'll play with that05:29
ScottKYou'll probably think you don't want full screen at first.  My prediction is you'll decide later you're wrong.05:34
freglI think I want fullscreen, except when doing screenshots sometimes05:37
freglI am not at all against it05:37
freglnot on the small screens05:37
freglI was just curious :)05:37
freglthe only use case for every day use would be some copy and paste scenario sometimes05:38
ScottKSince any Intel netbook should run with desktop effect just fine, it's easy enough to pop around through the windows, IMO, but other may view it differently.05:39
freglI haven't tried, so maybe :)05:39
ScottKYou have to remember that netbooks are low power machines, so if you're sorting through 20 windows, you're doing it wrong.05:40
freglonly 20? :p05:43
ScottKpresent windows is way faster and more usable if it's 4.05:44
ScottKor 6 (what I've got at the moment)05:45
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Riddelldebfx, NCommander  waa qtwebkit failed on arm due to some symbols thing10:44
debfxRiddell: yeah some arm specific symbols need to be dropped from the symbols file10:47
Riddellsilly arm being all special10:48
apacheloggerMamarok: happy birthday *hug* :*10:51
Riddellhappy birthday Mamarok!10:53
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Alpha 1 released! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Ninjas 4.5 beta 2 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | Kubuntu Council Needs You for election candidate | speakers wanted https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay | Happy Birthday Mamarok
Riddellapachelogger: this might be your fault http://www.comon.dk/nyheder/Linux-drenge-droemmer-lyseroede-droemme-1.361610.html10:54
apacheloggernot fluffy enough10:55
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Alpha 1 released! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Ninjas 4.5 beta 2 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | Kubuntu Council Needs You for election candidate | speakers wanted https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay | Happy Birthday Mamarok ♥
apacheloggerthere we go10:55
Riddellis that a question mark or a unicode character I can't see?10:55
Tm_TRiddell: latter, it's a heart10:55
RiddellI'll try to imagine it :)10:56
Tm_TRiddell: what font are you using?10:56
* valorie sees the heart10:56
valoriebetter than my lame <310:57
RiddellTm_T: my server which runs my irc client is an install from before unicode existed10:58
Tm_TRiddell: aah, makes sense10:59
valorievirtuoso-t using between 50 and 90% of cpu11:00
valoriemakes things super-molasses like11:00
Tm_Tdoesn't do that here11:01
valorieseems like it happens most often at the end of the day11:02
valorieannoying, since I don't directly cause it11:02
valoriethat I know of11:02
Riddellturn off file indexing11:02
Riddellunless you use it11:03
apacheloggerDear Mr. Riddell you really should ditch the ununicoded irssi and use Quassel instead :)11:04
valoriein Search, or where?11:05
apacheloggerno unicode hearts is rather sad11:05
valorieadvanced system settings is where I'm looking11:05
valoriefound it; thank you Riddel11:06
Riddellvalorie: we'll do that in future by default I think, although it needs some UI changes11:06
valorieI'm old fashioned - updatedb, and then locate11:07
Mamarokapachelogger: thanks :)11:14
Riddellbug 59118011:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 591180 in rekonq (Ubuntu) "[MIR] rekonq" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59118011:30
ari-tczewdevelopers, could you check this bug? bug 53343211:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 533432 in kdegraphics (Ubuntu) "kolourpaint4 breaks GNOME" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53343211:32
Riddellari-tczew: it needs to say what's broken about Gnome11:33
ari-tczewRiddell: some time ago I saw a bug similiar to mine, but now I didn't found it. 11:35
* Riddell wibbles at the start of main inclusion reports for koffice12:03
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ari-tczewRiddell: what do you get know about my bug?12:29
Riddellari-tczew: a description of the problem12:30
ari-tczewRiddell: I wrote: during edit file in kolourpaint, my gnome is breaked12:31
Riddell"is breaked" isn't a description, you have to say what is wrong12:31
ubottuDoesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.12:37
jussiI like that facrtoid :F12:37
* claydoh bakes a fancy birthday cake for Mamarok12:44
Mamarokclaydoh: hey, thanks very much :)12:45
* Mamarok loves cakes12:45
claydohis chocolate fine?12:45
Tm_Tyay for Mamarok!12:48
* Tm_T hides12:48
Mamarokclaydoh: I definitely love chocolate, of course (I am Swiss!)12:49
MamarokTm_T: thanks :)12:49
claydohMamarok: :) 12:50
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emonkeyhey Mamarok Happy Birthday! :-)13:11
emonkeyhope you enjoy this wonderful day ... (If more in the west the weather is nearly as good as here)13:13
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QuintasanJontheEchidna: oh man I totally forgot about ktorrent @_@13:42
QuintasanJontheEchidna: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/ktorrent.tar.bz213:42
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: what is debian/GSOC? O.o13:43
QuintasanJontheEchidna: hmm didn't I remove that?13:45
QuintasanJontheEchidna: it's apachelogger's GSOC application13:45
QuintasanI was like O_o too13:45
JontheEchidnanot from new-current.diff, at least13:45
Quintasandunno how the hell it ended up there13:45
JontheEchidnano biggie13:45
JontheEchidnaI can just delete it13:45
apacheloggerthis does happen when one does not have a package in a bzr branch ;)13:46
Quintasanapachelogger: No. This happens when one puts his/her files everywhere exepct the destination directory13:48
apacheloggerQuintasan: that too ^^13:50
shadeslayeromg.. nautilus elementary now supports playing songs directly.. like.. theres a play button on every music file14:29
shadeslayerkubotu: np14:31
kubotushadeslayer_ is listening to "I'd Love You To Want Me" by Lobo [Greatest Hits] [http://open.spotify.com/track/6bKuIK89XZFe5fwW8whUlK] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more14:31
Riddellshadeslayer: dolphin previews also have a play button14:32
shadeslayerRiddell: no not a preview,like theres a play button on the file,you click it,it starts playing,you remove your mouse it stops playing14:33
shadeslayerRiddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/YeQtZ28.html 14:38
shadeslayerhmmm wait14:38
shadeslayernot that14:39
shadeslayerRiddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/YgDZIh0.html 14:45
shadeslayerSee that |> icon? if you hover over it,it starts playing :P14:46
Riddellnothing KDE hasn't had for a decade14:48
shadeslayerRiddell: yes,but still,shows nautilus is getting new features :P14:49
QuintasanJontheEchidna: everything's fine?15:02
JontheEchidnaQuintasan, Riddell: libktorrent needs promoted to main before I can upload15:09
RiddellJontheEchidna: done15:12
JontheEchidnaRiddell: thanks15:12
QuintasanJontheEchidna, Riddell: thanks :D15:13
* Quintasan goes to study hard15:13
QuintasanI hate it when school years is near it's ending, tons of tests15:14
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: wait15:15
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: I need a patch from either current-new or debian-new15:15
JontheEchidnaI only have new-current or new-sid15:15
JontheEchidnayeah, I'll need one of those15:16
Quintasanthey should be in tar.bz215:16
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: but it only has patches from the merged version back to the old version, or back to the debian version15:16
shadeslayerQuintasan: same here,fortunately i have only one left :P15:16
JontheEchidnaI need the opposite15:16
JontheEchidnasince I have the current version and the debian version, and need to get to the merged version15:17
* shadeslayer cant take his eyes off the iphone 415:17
QuintasanJontheEchidna: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/debian-new.diff15:19
JontheEchidnaQuintasan: thanks15:19
QuintasanJontheEchidna: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/current-new.diff <-- in case you need this too15:20
JontheEchidnaeither one will do15:20
Quintasanokay, then I'm off15:20
Riddellryanakca: did you get the kubuntu.org update news?15:35
lex79JontheEchidna: soname for this library usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.10    usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.0.10.016:19
lex79is it 10 or 0 ?16:19
JontheEchidnathat's messed up16:19
JontheEchidnashould contact kde-packagers, we can't release with that16:20
lex79usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.10       usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.0.10.016:20
lex79the changed from16:20
lex79usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.4    usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.4.5.016:20
shadeslayerRiddell: any news on the site update?16:20
lex79JontheEchidna: ^16:20
shadeslayerlex79: i found that too...16:20
JontheEchidnathey can't go *down* .so versions16:20
lex79shadeslayer: where?16:21
shadeslayerlex79: in kdegames,it had 4.5.0 i think16:21
shadeslayerlemme confirm16:21
Riddellshadeslayer: ofir is being given a server to install it to I believe16:21
Riddelllex79: that's kdeedu no?16:22
Riddellkdeedu just got a tar update16:22
lex79JontheEchidna: I'm going to write in kde-packager, that bump down is wrong? right?16:22
JontheEchidnait's just all messed up16:22
shadeslayerlex79: usr/lib/libkggzmod.so.4.5.016:22
lex79Riddell: yes, I'm speaking about the new tar16:22
JontheEchidnait's not clear if they even meant to bump down, since once is .so.10 and the other is .so.0.10.016:22
shadeslayerlex79: this is libkdegames5.install : http://paste.ubuntu.com/446686/16:23
lex79shadeslayer: that is right16:23
shadeslayerlex79: ah ok :)16:23
shadeslayerlex79: btw is kdoctools in? with the new deps?16:24
lex79JontheEchidna: at least should be libmarblewidget.so.10 and libmarblewidget.so.10.0.0 :D16:24
shadeslayerlex79: awesome ill work on the kdegames package in a hour then :)16:24
RiddellI wonder if that's to do with the difference between QTONLY marble and kde marble16:25
Riddelllex79: what's in marble/src/lib/CMakeLists.txt ?16:25
shadeslayerRiddell: so we will get our own server now? and no need to go to sysadmins?16:26
Riddellshadeslayer: no, ofir will temporarily get one to set it up on, sysadmins will copy that over16:26
shadeslayerRiddell: oh i see..16:26
lex79set(GENERIC_LIB_VERSION "0.10.0")16:27
lex79set(GENERIC_LIB_SOVERSION "10")16:27
lex79Riddell: ^16:27
RiddellBump the soversion of libmarblewidget from 4 to 10 to reflect that we do not provide binary compatibility in the KDE 4 life-span (before Marble 1.0). The soversions are now equal for the Qt and the KDE version of the lib.16:27
RiddellCCBUG: 23983116:27
Riddellsays svn commit16:27
lex79usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.4.5.0  -> usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.0.10.016:28
lex79doesn't seem a bump soname16:29
Riddellso they changes their lib versioning, but the question is why the weird SOVERSION/VERSION difference16:29
lex79usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.4 -> usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.1016:29
lex79btw I have to change also the name of the package? from libmarblewidget4 to libmarblewidget10 ?16:32
Riddelllex79: chatting with upstream in #kde-edu16:32
shadeslayerheh.. aptitude was dropped from the desktop cd :P16:37
shadeslayersaves 14 MB's of space :D16:38
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: ^16:38
JontheEchidnafor teh fluffeh16:38
shadeslayerhehe :P16:38
shadeslayeralso sparc,i64 and all the other useless arch's were removed....16:39
shadeslayerRiddell: JontheEchidna apachelogger http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/2010/06/07/greetings-goodbyes-entrance-hell/ 16:40
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1135991 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (6 files) Include cleanups16:41
macowhat are kubuntu's official minimum memory requirements?16:59
macobecause i think mav shoved them up quite a few pegs O_O17:00
maco$ free -m17:00
maco             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached17:00
macoMem:           493        487          5          0          3         2017:00
maco-/+ buffers/cache:        463         2917:00
macoSwap:          894        440        45417:00
macothe panel, whatever kde's services are on by default, and a terminal are all that's open17:01
macoeven the desktop's not drawing. lucid handled 512mb with no problems17:01
macooh, aptitude is running too. i doubt that's what's causing the high memory usage though17:02
maco(since it was slow before that)17:03
Mamarokemonkey, shadeslayer: thank you very much :)17:05
tsimpsonmaco: see what's using the memory17:10
macotsimpson: how? top's not showing anything using more than 29m, and that's virtuoso17:11
macoit seems like it must be some very inflated kdelibs :-/17:11
shadeslayermaco: its 256 MB17:11
shadeslayermaco: for the RAM...17:11
tsimpsoneither with the System Activity window, or with "ps aux|sort -rnk 4,4|head" (sorted output of ps by memory usage %)17:12
* shadeslayer goes to look for his Ubuntu 10.04 CD17:12
shadeslayermaco: yeah,thats all it says, 256 MB of RAM....17:12
macoshadeslayer: well 512 is just barely usable... if 400mb of swap are used17:13
macoi really doubt maverick will even run on 25617:13
macotsimpson: X is first, then plasma-desktop, virtuoso, konsole, kwin, krunner, bash, nepomukservicestub nepomukfilewatch, nepomukservicestub nepomukstrigiservice, printer-applet17:14
macoi thought there was a command other than top to see load avg. guess not17:15
macoahhh ok17:16
shadeslayermaco: hmm.. i tried out a live cd on 256 MB on my P3 desktop... worked fine17:22
macomaybe min requirements are different in VM versus hardware? that sounds weird17:23
* apachelogger needs more coffee to remain operational ...17:24
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lex79Riddell: can I go ahead with kdeedu packaging?17:52
lex79should I rename libmarblewidget4 package to libmarblewidget10?17:53
Riddelllex79: isn't your marble segfaulting?17:53
lex79but I dont' have all libraries installed17:53
Riddellmm, right17:53
Riddellwell go ahead in ninjas anyway17:53
lex79Riddell: ^ the question... libmarblewidget4 -> libmarblewidget10 ?17:54
Riddellmight be an idea to see if anyone in debian kde-qt team more familiar with strange library versioning has any objections17:54
Riddelllex79: yes libmarblewidget10 it is17:54
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Riddelllex79: sune said it was weird but shouldn't cause problems18:08
Riddellso I guess we live with it18:08
Riddellit'll need all the rdepends recompiled of course18:09
lex79only digikam needs rebuild for what I seen18:11
lex79and kdeplasma-addons18:12
shadeslayerhmmm i get a failed to build mail of kdetoys,and yet in the ppa i see that it has built 0_o18:24
Riddellfailed to build or failed to upload?18:25
shadeslayerRiddell: failed to upload18:25
Riddellthat's different18:25
shadeslayerwhat does that mean?18:25
Riddellmeans something funny happened18:25
Riddelldoes it give any useful error?18:26
lex79shadeslayer: ppa1 failed, ppa2 built18:26
shadeslayerlex79: seems so..18:26
shadeslayerRiddell: 2010-06-08 17:17:38 WARNING     Unable to find source package kdetoys/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu1~ppa1 in maverick18:26
lex79shadeslayer: it's not a problem, ppa1 it's failed because I reuploaded the package :)18:26
lex79so, now in ninja there's ppa2 and ppa1 is gone18:27
shadeslayerlex79: same for kdeartwork?18:28
lex79shadeslayer: yes, but the package is still signed by you, don't worry about credits ;)18:29
shadeslayerlex79: haha... no im just asking,why did you re upload the packages?18:30
lex79to get high build score :P I don't want wait 3 hours for building a package18:30
shadeslayerlex79: ah.. :P18:31
lex79that's a trick :P18:32
shadeslayerif you update chromium it asks for a restart, does anyone know if chromium got this feature recently or did it exsist before? 18:32
shadeslayerlex79: yeah i saw that if you ask for a rebuild score goes to 018:33
CIA-91[libqapt] jmthomas * 1136022 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h cache.cpp cache.h) ++apidocs18:53
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JontheEchidnalex79: could you toss usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js into not-installed in kdebase-workspace please? It interferes with our script in kubuntu-default-settings19:53
JontheEchidna(two panels, two activities in maverick alpha1)19:54
lex79it causes the two panel?19:54
lex79ah ok19:54
JontheEchidnabut that would mean a dependency on k-d-s19:54
JontheEchidnahrm hrm19:54
JontheEchidnaperhaps we should be patching this .js19:54
Riddelljust what I was thinking19:54
Riddellor patch plasma to go if no k-d-s then run the other one19:54
Riddellalthough that's probably mildly fiddly19:55
JontheEchidnawe could patch it to do loadTemplate("org.kubuntu.plasma-desktop.defaultdesktop"), and if that fails go about normal initialization19:56
JontheEchidnaassuming loadTemplate returns bool19:56
JontheEchidnaand that we give our script a metadata.desktop, or whatever's needed19:57
shadeslayerlex79: got a sec?19:57
lex79shadeslayer: yes19:57
shadeslayerlex79: ok like i said yesterday about kdegames-4.4.85-0ubuntu1~ppa1 being already uploaded19:58
shadeslayerlex79: should i rename it to kdegames-4.4.85a-0ubuntu1~ppa1 for maverick?19:59
lex79no please19:59
shadeslayeror do i upload with ppa2? remember ppa1 was for lucid19:59
lex79try with ppa1 for lucid and lucid1~ppa1 for lucid19:59
lex79ppa1 for maverick20:00
lex79you deleted kdegames yesterday, so now should be fine20:00
shadeslayerlex79: already tried with ppa1 for maverick,it was rejected...20:00
shadeslayerlex79: and what do i write for the changelog? :P20:00
lex79shadeslayer: nothing, change ppa1 to ppa220:01
lex79change the last entry20:01
shadeslayerah ok20:01
shadeslayerlex79: and since the source is already uploaded,build with debuild -S right?20:02
lex79debuild -S -sd20:02
shadeslayerlex79: thanks :D20:04
lex79no problem20:05
shadeslayerlex79: hmm.. seems that maverick cant find the tarball i uploaded for lucid20:06
shadeslayerUnable to find kdegames_4.4.85.orig.tar.bz2 in upload or distribution.20:07
lex79debuild -S -sa20:07
shadeslayerlex79: ok.. 20:07
lex79JontheEchidna: I did kdepim-runtime 4.4.4 for maverick and I'll do kdepim later, so I have to drop that js file or do you want find a better solution later?20:08
JontheEchidnalex79: we'll probably patch it later. (but before alpha2)20:08
* lex79 points to Riddell20:09
* lex79 thinks Riddell points to JontheEchidna20:10
shadeslayerbtw any idea on how to make debuild use ccache?20:11
lex79debuild or pbuild?20:11
shadeslayerlex79: debuild20:12
shadeslayerlex79: like im building kdegames locally on lucid20:12
lex79uhm to build package for maverick you should build in pbuilder-maverick20:13
shadeslayerlex79: oh no,im building kdegames for lucid,have a chroot for maverick20:14
lex79hope they are all false positive20:38
shadeslayerlex79: omg.. 369 missing files.. thats just.... how will you check all of them? :P20:39
lex79I have to see how, dunno for now :)20:40
* lex79 takes a break20:40
* shadeslayer uploads kdegames for lucid meanwhile20:44
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shadeslayerlex79: when youre back please have a look at : https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdegames/ubuntu/+merge/27082 21:10
shadeslayerits the merge for kdegames for maverick21:11
* shadeslayer likes how lp shows the diffs between the 2 branches...21:11
lex79shadeslayer: merged21:16
lex79shadeslayer: you forgot to bump kde-sc-dev-latest in control21:16
lex79maverick -> UNRELEASED21:17
lex79and drop ~ppaX21:17
lex79shadeslayer: I fixed in bzr ;)21:17
shadeslayerlex79: ok,but i didnt know i had to drop ppaX ... the rest i accept as my faults :P21:20
lex79no problem21:20
* shadeslayer goes about fixing kdetoys in ninja ppa21:22
lex79shadeslayer: if you have time to do kdeaccessibility.... :)21:28
shadeslayerlex79: sure thing... is there any change?21:30
* shadeslayer loves the ninja work21:30
lex79no particular change I think21:31
shadeslayerok.. should be uploaded within the hour then :)21:31
shadeslayerlex79: ill be free for the next two months ( summer holidays ) hope you have loads of stuff to package :P21:35
lex79eheh :)21:35
shadeslayerlex79: hmm.. kdetoys says : E: amor: package-section-games-but-contains-no-game21:37
shadeslayerlex79: what do you suggest?21:37
lex79kdetoys is already built in the ppa21:37
shadeslayerlex79: yes yes i know this is when i build for lucid21:38
lex79shadeslayer: can you ignore it?21:39
shadeslayerlex79: yeah it builds fine if i ignore it21:39
lex79shadeslayer: ignore it then21:39
shadeslayerhehe :P21:39
lex79shadeslayer: we don't want increase delta with Debian if it's not necessary, that change which cause the warning was introduced with the last merge21:42
shadeslayerlex79: ah ok :)21:51
lex79shadeslayer: I uploaded your kdetoys in bzr21:58
shadeslayerok thanks :)21:59
lex79shadeslayer: are there no changes in install files?21:59
shadeslayerlex79: in kdetoys?21:59
shadeslayerwell i didnt find any but ill check again21:59
shadeslayerlex79: nope none at all22:00
shadeslayerhow weird cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/bin/kttsd': No such file or directory22:03
ryanakcaRiddell: No, what is it?22:09
shadeslayerlex79: um.. kdetoys in ppa does not have a dep on 4.4.85,can i safely leave it since the maverick package will have that dep?22:10
shadeslayer( i built it with 4.4.85 locally22:11
shadeslayerbah.. nvm i uploaded new package22:13
shadeslayerryanakca: ofir is getting a new server to test it on,the sysadmins will copy the site over22:15
ryanakcashadeslayer: Ah, lovely22:16
ryanakcashadeslayer: Is it a new server... as in Canonical's... or as in Ofir's?22:16
shadeslayerryanakca: hmm.. dunno,didnt ask much :P22:16
shadeslayerryanakca: probably a personal one.. but not sure22:17
shadeslayeranyone have a idea why i get dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/usr/bin/kttsd debian/kttsd//usr/bin/ returned exit code 122:17
shadeslayerlex79: kdeaccessibility is a PITA22:31
shadeslayerso many missing install files... 22:31
shadeslayerespecially in kttsd22:32
* shadeslayer wonders if hes talking to himself again 22:33
Riddellryanakca: ofir should get access to a server to set up the new kubuntu.org on22:33
shadeslayerRiddell: hey Riddell :)22:34
Riddellgood evening shadeslayer 22:34
shadeslayerRiddell: btw should i add a pykde and pyqt dep to kdegames,its listed as a additional dep22:35
Riddellshadeslayer: it's not a build dep22:36
Riddellit should already be a depends of the package which needs it22:36
Riddelland the line in debian/rules will keep the build happy22:36
shadeslayerRiddell: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/ada2Dg4E 22:37
Riddelland we use -DINSTALL_KAJONGG=TRUE in debian/rules22:38
shadeslayerlex79: kdeaccessibility done :)22:42
shadeslayerwill upload in 10-15 mins22:42
shadeslayerRiddell: does this look ok ? : http://pastebin.com/VDjaYYJ2 22:45
shadeslayerits a diff between the old kttsd.install and the new one :)22:47
Riddellwhat's that jovie stuff which was in there?22:49
shadeslayeridk... dh_install --list-missing showed it22:49
shadeslayerah i think they renamed kttsd22:50
Riddellit looks like they renamed it to jovie for beta 1 and renamed it back to kttsd for beta 222:50
shadeslayerRiddell: http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/kde.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbe9e0539ec9daa1a9da9f83fa87026595f07fc2 22:50
shadeslayerRiddell: renamed to kttsd for beta 1 and jovie for beta 222:50
Riddellis your diff backwards?22:51
shadeslayerRiddell: diff newfile oldfile22:51
shadeslayerso i guess yes :P22:51
Riddellthat's backwards :)22:51
shadeslayerhehe :P22:51
Riddellwell if it's called jovie now we might want to rename the package too22:52
shadeslayerRiddell: so should i make the kttsd package as jovie?22:52
shadeslayeryeah doing it 22:52
RiddellI think so yes22:52
shadeslayerRiddell: description remains same?22:53
Riddellunless you can find a better one22:53
shadeslayerRiddell: btw how long will it take for the new site to be up?22:54
RiddellI'm not holding my breath22:54
shadeslayerhehe :P22:55
shadeslayerRiddell: well kde-apps.org does no have jovie,so im leaving it as is22:55
shadeslayermight as well rename kttsd.install to jovie.install22:56
shadeslayerRiddell: we will have to keep both packages :P http://pastebin.com/5E5qypP6 22:59
Riddellrm -r debian/kttsd23:00
Riddellthat'll sort it23:00
RiddellNCommander: how come you're asking lamont to change buildds when qt4 is already built on armel?23:01
NCommanderRiddell: it did?23:02
shadeslayerRiddell: was it the cache?23:02
RiddellNCommander: and there was me thinking you had already fixed it :)23:04
NCommanderRiddell: I'm just that good :-)23:04
Riddellshadeslayer: those files got made when you first built and now you renamed it the debhelper scripts don't know to delete them23:04
RiddellNCommander: probably not a bad thing to get it the timeout raised though 23:05
RiddellNCommander: qtwebkit needs some symbols love I think23:05
NCommanderRiddell: ugh23:08
shadeslayerRiddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com.pastebin.com/4FR2nQBg 23:08
shadeslayerRiddell: the library naming is probably a upstream issue right?23:09
RiddellNCommander: which is more informing you than requesting anything 23:12
NCommanderRiddell: I'll look at it when I have time ;.;23:12
Riddellshadeslayer: first two issues aren't important, W: jovie: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/libkttsd.so.4.5.0 usr/lib/libkttsd.so  can be fixed23:13
Riddelljust don't install usr/lib/libkttsd.so23:13
shadeslayerRiddell: hmm.. ok23:13
shadeslayerRiddell: btw by doing this,arent we removing libs that might be useful?23:14
Riddellshadeslayer: by removing usr/lib/libkttsd.so ?23:16
Riddellit's just a symlink, doesn't do anything23:16
shadeslayerhmm ok23:16
Riddellshould already be in not-installed actually23:17
shadeslayerRiddell: rename kttsd.README.Debian as well?23:18
Riddellyes, assuming its contents are still valid23:19
shadeslayerRiddell: and yes the file is in not-installed23:19
=== dendrobates is now known as destro
shadeslayerRiddell: its been written for kttsd23:19
=== destro is now known as dendrobates
Riddellmay as well keep it23:25
Riddellyou could e-mail the jovie maintainer and ask if it's still accurate23:25
shadeslayerRiddell: hmm.. so keep it for now and email,update later if required,ok23:26
* shadeslayer grumbles as pastebinit refuses to work with gist.github.com23:26
shadeslayerlex79: kdeaccessibilty is up :)23:43
Riddellshadeslayer is on a roll!23:46
lex79so kttsd is gone?23:48
shadeslayerlex79: yeps...23:48
shadeslayerreplaced by jovie23:48
Riddellnice to see something happening in kdeaccessibility (even if it's not the important stuff)23:48
lex79uh do we need jovie replaces/conflicts on kttsd ?23:49
shadeslayerdidnt think of that :P23:49
shadeslayerRiddell: lex79 Replaces: kttsd (<< 4:4.4.85)23:50
lex79maybe conflicts too, I still have to read the backlog23:51
lex79shadeslayer: well push in bzr we will see23:52
shadeslayerlex79: okies.. ill push it in a few mins..23:52
shadeslayerhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~shadeslayer/kdeaccessibility/ubuntu 23:56
shadeslayerwait wrong23:56
shadeslayerhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeaccessibility/ubuntu 23:57
shadeslayerbtw the change about replaces is in too23:57
shadeslayernot in the commit message though23:58
shadeslayerhmm.. wait.. it isnt :P23:59
lex79shadeslayer: can you do a merge proposal like you did with your last package?23:59

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