[00:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: knh should probably suggest apport so we can take it off the iso for releases?
[00:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also, do we document PrivateClass members?
[00:25] <apachelogger> not private class members, but PrivateClass members that is ;)
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> It's < 50 kb, plus its useful for reporting dpkg errors. I'd opt for keeping it on, as long as we don't have to use it for crash reporting
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you mean documenting the member in the forward declaration of the variable in PrivateClass?
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> like a normal variable/function?
[00:29] <apachelogger> no, I mean the actual members of the privateclass in the .cpp
[00:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, I just noticed gdb, and now I realize that we need that for drkonqi anyway, so nvm
[00:30]  * apachelogger finds the CD horribly fat
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> that's what I meant. OK, we're on the same page
[00:30] <apachelogger> my almost completely wiped fluffy is still > 500 MiB
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> I document mine with // comments
[00:30] <apachelogger> approx 100 of that is printer stuff :/
[00:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, though it looks sort of horrible
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> hmmz
[00:31] <apachelogger> makes the code difficult to read IMHO
[00:31] <apachelogger> becaus eyou do not realize this is a class declaration right there
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> / lol guys i am declaring teh class nao
[00:32] <apachelogger> while if you do have one large block it will probably fit on the screen and be easier to understand :/
[00:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: still looks ugly though :/
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> Zerg m_zerg; //kekekeke
[00:32] <apachelogger> especially with a lot of members
[00:33] <apachelogger> oh
[00:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that will not work if you have an inline method though
[00:33] <apachelogger> or any member function really
[00:33] <apachelogger> u1::SyncDaemon does have a lot of those
[00:34] <apachelogger> also technically same-line documentation is violating the policy ;)
[00:34] <apachelogger> anyhow
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> Oh, I wasn't suggesting we do that. I just didn't want to use mroe than one line in irc ;)
[00:34] <apachelogger> yeah, makes sense
[00:34] <apachelogger> so
[00:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think the policy should explicity state that only stuff in the .h must be documented
[00:35] <claydoh_> apachelogger:  oddball question: your u1 stuff, would that stuff be "portable" to another distro easily?
[00:35] <claydoh_> just curious
[00:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and another thing about privateclasses ... I think we should also ommit the m_ prefix
[00:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: because it is obvious through d-> that we are talking to the privateclass
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I agree
[00:35] <apachelogger> having the m_ prefix is sort of redundant there
[00:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you have time to make the policy reflec that somehow? otherwise I'll look at it tomorrow?
[00:36]  * apachelogger is in a state of fluff right now ^^
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: currently I'm testing out getting pulseaudio working with phonon now that we have sensible phonon
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> seems to work ok, except that for with PA I get sound out of both the speakers and headphones
[00:37] <apachelogger> claydoh_werk: my stuff is even portable to another OS ... it is the other stuff that could make problems
[00:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, you should poke the mandriva dude who is phonon-paing
[00:37] <apachelogger> very awesome guy
[00:38] <apachelogger> and he is scotts ;)
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> I have deducted that it's not a phonon problem, since it occurs with paplay too
[00:38] <claydoh_werk> apachelogger: so it could theoretically be Kubuntu who helps bring u1  to the masses (non-Ubuntu) :)
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> probably crappy sound drivers
[00:39] <claydoh_werk> apachelogger: just my idle brain here on my dinner break
[00:39] <apachelogger> well
[00:39] <apachelogger> I do not see why the other stuff should not be portable really
[00:39] <apachelogger> assuming all is packaged properly
[00:40] <apachelogger> imbrandon: ^
[00:40] <claydoh_werk> apachelogger: I agree, it is mostly just python, correct?
[00:40] <apachelogger> claydoh_werk: imbrandon is porting it to debian, so he would know where pitfalls are
[00:40] <apachelogger> claydoh_werk: yeah, mostly python
[00:40] <apachelogger> actually, my perspective is all python
[00:40] <apachelogger> the only non-python stuff is in the GTK/GNOME frontend stuff
[00:41]  * claydoh_werk wishes he were code savvy
[00:55] <fregl> tsimpson: ping
[00:56] <tsimpson> fregl: pong
[00:57] <fregl> tsimpson: about the fluffy blog on jussi01 - the wordpress asks to be updated - should we care about that?
[00:57] <CIA-91> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100607235703-aqn3la76rtmjueel * src/ (4 files in 2 dirs) dptr++ for syncdaemon
[00:57] <tsimpson> you shouldn't, but I should ;)
[00:57] <fregl> tsimpson: ok, thanks
[00:57] <tsimpson> I'm debating if the OS should be upgraded to lucid or if I should just grab a newer wordpress
[00:58] <tsimpson> up to jussi really :)
[00:58] <fregl> hehe, ok - you get that sorted out :)
[01:00] <fregl> tsimpson: do I ask you also if we want to get a new theme in there?
[01:00] <tsimpson> you should be able to install a theme yourself
[01:00] <fregl> ok, I don't know wordpress that well, will try
[01:01] <apachelogger> IIRC the ftp access data stuff is not setup
[01:01] <apachelogger> and without that wp refuses to do the job
[01:01] <tsimpson> the theme dir is writeable by www-data
[01:01] <tsimpson> so just use the link from the admin pages
[01:03] <fregl> tsimpson: it asks for hostname - what would that be?
[01:03] <tsimpson> fregl: what asks for that?
[01:03] <fregl> the add new theme stuff
[01:03] <tsimpson> really?
[01:03] <fregl> or do I copy the theme in a different way?
[01:03] <fregl> yeah
[01:04] <fregl> when browsing themes it asks for hostname/username/pw and connection type (ftp/ftps)
[01:04]  * fregl pokes Nightrose
[01:04]  * Nightrose pokes fregl
[01:04] <Nightrose> :D
[01:05] <Nightrose> fregl: why am i being poked?
[01:05] <fregl> Nightrose: because of all the fluffy being your fault, admit it!
[01:05]  * Nightrose denies everything
[01:05] <Nightrose> :D
[01:07]  * apachelogger hugs Nightrose
[01:07] <Nightrose> awww hugs!
[01:07]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger
[01:07] <tsimpson> well, wordpress is teh suck
[01:07] <Nightrose> guys... why are we still awake at this ungodly hour?
[01:08] <Nightrose> tsimpson: wordpress is the r0ck!
[01:08] <Nightrose> :D
[01:08]  * apachelogger giggles over ungodly hour
[01:08] <tsimpson> it's far to late to setup a secure ftp server right now
[01:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we are doing fluffy alpha1
[01:08] <tsimpson> fregl: if you give me a link, I'll install the theme
[01:08] <apachelogger> well I am doing anyay :P
[01:08] <Nightrose> ohmygod
[01:09] <apachelogger> "My Name is Michele Maiya, can you be my soul mate?"
[01:09] <apachelogger> sweet
[01:10] <apachelogger> oh dear
[01:10] <apachelogger> fregl: upload is gonna take 2.5 hours -.-
[01:10] <apachelogger> creating the ISOs on a machine with more bandwith would make more sense for sure
[01:10] <apachelogger> also
[01:10] <apachelogger> fregl: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/fluffy/#comment-251
[01:11] <apachelogger> ohm
[01:15] <fregl> tsimpson: thanks, but I haven't really decided on anything yet
[01:15] <fregl> Nightrose: we are up because if I sleep now, I will miss my train to berlin to linux tag which would be a shame because then I could not present the fluffy there
[01:15] <tsimpson> ok, I'll look at getting a secure ftp server going so you can install things yourself later
[01:15] <fregl> \o&/
[01:15] <fregl> \o/
[01:16] <Nightrose> fregl: so you're not sleeping tonight?
[01:16] <fregl> Nightrose: I never do ;)
[01:16] <Nightrose> i know for a fact you do ;-)
[01:16] <fregl> damn
[01:16] <Nightrose> :P
[01:16] <fregl> apachelogger: we are becomming an official freenode project now
[01:16] <Nightrose> (or you face it pretty well)
[01:16] <Nightrose> *fake
[01:16] <fregl> I can even fake it :D
[01:20] <apachelogger> fake sleep or fake the not sleeping?
[01:20] <apachelogger> fregl: yay at freenode project \o/
[01:20] <apachelogger> also if you take fregl's conext a bit out of context it makes a whole lot of different sense :P
[01:21] <Nightrose> lol
[01:21]  * fregl hugs apachelogger for being evil
[01:21] <fregl> bah, that blog needs lots of fluffin
[01:24] <fregl> pink wordpress themes tend to be cheesy - horrible
[01:26] <apachelogger> *nod*
[01:26] <apachelogger> oh dear
[01:27] <apachelogger> dptr with cctor
[01:27] <apachelogger> this is gonna be fun \o/
[01:30]  * Nightrose is le tired and goes to bed
[01:30] <Nightrose> nini :)
[01:30] <fregl> Nightrose: sleep well, if you do sleep indeed
[01:30] <Nightrose> :D
[01:31] <Nightrose> i do as you might know
[01:31] <apachelogger> always this sleepery
[01:31]  * apachelogger kisses Nightrose goodnight
[01:31] <Nightrose> :*
[01:34] <CIA-91> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100608003425-67miff1wb07xkkch * src/libs/ (SyncDaemonStatus.cpp SyncDaemonStatus.h) dptr++ is sort of weird really ... so, dptr for syncdaemonstatus ... ok that is boring ... dptr++
[01:35] <apachelogger> kubotu: karma dptr
[01:35] <kubotu> karma for dptr: 2
[01:35] <apachelogger> omg
[01:37] <CIA-91> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100608003707-7rxss2wz7dfwykkt * src/libs/CMakeLists.txt s/ubuntuone_kde/ubuntuone-kde
[01:38] <fregl> tsimpson: could you install http://www.wptmp.com/preview/807/ for now? that would be uberawesome of you :)
[01:44] <apachelogger> omg
[01:45] <apachelogger> target name conflict :/
[01:45] <CIA-91> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100608004520-hods0u5e4jmzr0vr * (6 files in 4 dirs) Make libuntuone-kde shared, now we have a linking conflict app ubuntuone-kde vs. lib -> rename app to -statusnotifier... dont like that!
[01:51] <apachelogger> fregl: this upload is taking forever -.-
[01:52] <apachelogger> fregl: we really need to find some sponsor, so that I can have a sweet server for doing the isos ^^
[01:53] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, new moby remix album is out, super awesome it is
[01:58] <fregl> apachelogger: any idea how we can create a text file on the fluffy blog? seems like permission problems to me 
[01:59] <apachelogger> omg
[01:59] <apachelogger> 98 likers on facebook!!!!
[01:59] <apachelogger> fregl: a text file?
[02:00] <fregl> apachelogger: yay - but now it should be fine
[02:01] <fregl> we get freenodegrouped - rofl
[02:04] <apachelogger> \o/
[02:04] <fregl> apachelogger: did you get contacted by someone?
[02:05] <apachelogger> indeed I did
[02:05] <fregl> great
[02:05] <fregl> uh, I should be in bed... since quite some time actually
[02:06] <apachelogger> fregl: no point in going to bed now :P
[02:06] <fregl> dude, I'll be all cranky and whiny otherwise
[02:07] <fregl> and I'll not have sleep till sunday
[02:08] <apachelogger> but loads of fun ^^
[02:08] <fregl> I hope I won't have enough beer to start forking any linux distro
[02:09] <apachelogger> fregl: you will become liason :P
[02:10] <apachelogger> +i somewhere
[02:10] <apachelogger> I think
[02:10] <fregl> it is all so crazy
[02:10]  * apachelogger should probably also be in bed, but oh well
[02:10] <apachelogger> fregl: it is sort of scrary indeed
[02:10] <fregl> we need to get into real press - let's write something for linux magazin and c't and so on, as soon as the alpha is out :)
[02:11] <apachelogger> yeah
[02:11] <apachelogger> fregl: though... we might want to have kicking ass alpha then
[02:12] <fregl> true
[02:12] <fregl> ok, let's see how feedback is
[02:12] <fregl> I'll try to talk to peoplez at linux tach
[02:13] <jjesse> you two need a fluffy-docs package then?
[02:13] <apachelogger> I very much suppose so
[02:13] <apachelogger> that said
[02:14] <jjesse> probablly not much different then kubuntu-docs i guess
[02:14]  * apachelogger was thinking about somehow getting his bachelor thesis stuff surround khelpcenter
[02:15] <apachelogger> jjesse: well, the software selection is different, but other than that there isnt much difference
[02:15] <jjesse> apachelogger then i would talk to nixternal and see where project mallard from gnome docs is going w/ kde docs before spending too much time
[02:15] <apachelogger> other than the appearance of course ;)
[02:15] <jjesse> hrmm would need an "About Fluffy" document instead of "about kubuntu"
[02:16] <apachelogger> I think that is just a desktop file, so that should be the least of the problems
[02:18] <tsimpson> fregl: Rounded V2 pink edition installed
[02:18] <fregl> tsimpson: many thanks - another question - I cannot seem to access the "about" page I just created
[02:18] <fregl> page creation seems broken
[02:19] <tsimpson> did you publish it?
[02:20] <fregl> yes
[02:20] <fregl> but preview is just as broken
[02:20] <tsimpson> hmm, one sec
[02:22] <fregl> it works now
[02:23] <fregl> tsimpson: did you fix it or was the other theme just crap?
[02:24] <tsimpson> apparently I fixed it
[02:24] <tsimpson> though I don't actually know how...
[02:24] <tsimpson> no one touch it
[02:24]  * tsimpson backs away slowly
[02:25] <apachelogger> ^^
[02:25]  * apachelogger hands tsimpson a cookie
[02:25]  * fregl hugs tsimpson :D
[02:26] <fregl> tsimpson: hm... image upload also doesn't seem to work...???
[02:27] <apachelogger> omg, so many things to do this week -.-
[02:27] <tsimpson> yeah, I just noticed
[02:27]  * apachelogger is wondering if tsimpson shouldnt also be in bed
[02:27]  * tsimpson should
[02:27] <fregl> tsimpson: and while I'm bugging you... we have this identica group - do you know if there is a wordpress plugin for that?
[02:27] <apachelogger> ^^
[02:27] <fregl> but not today
[02:27] <apachelogger> no one goes to bed these days
[02:27] <fregl> tsimpson: thanks for all your help → bed
[02:28]  * fregl should hit the matress too
[02:28] <fregl> or pack things for linux tag
[02:28] <jjesse> how bout bed?
[02:28] <apachelogger> first packing then bed
[02:28] <fregl> meh
[02:28]  * apachelogger dbouts that fregl will get up timely anyway :P
[02:28] <apachelogger> *doubts
[02:29] <tsimpson> fix0r'd
[02:29] <fregl> apachelogger: ingo told me to be at the train station at 8:50 :(
[02:30] <apachelogger> when do you need to get up then?
[02:30] <apachelogger> 8?
[02:30]  * apachelogger finds 8:50 an ungodly hour anyway
[02:31] <apachelogger> in the middle of the night
[02:31] <tsimpson> fregl: it doesn't look like there's a way to feed identica into wordpress
[02:31] <tsimpson> that I can find
[02:31] <apachelogger> omg!!!!!!
[02:31] <apachelogger> 99 likers
[02:32] <apachelogger> omg!!!!
[02:32] <apachelogger> wah
[02:32]  * apachelogger falls over
[02:32] <fregl> tsimpson: I think my other blog has one... http://vikingisaverb.com/
[02:32] <tsimpson> I get a squatting-site there
[02:32] <fregl> ah, damn
[02:33] <fregl> I just copied the link from the fsfe.org wordpress install
[02:33] <fregl> tsimpson: it goes by the name "Identi.ca Tools"
[02:34] <fregl> but that is really not something for tonight
[02:34] <fregl> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/identica-tools/
[02:34]  * apachelogger reloads the facebook site every 5 seconds to not miss when we reach 100 likers ^^
[02:35] <fregl> apachelogger: take a screenshot
[02:35] <fregl> amazing
[02:35] <tsimpson> should be installed now :)
[02:35] <fregl> ah, you put in the new blog post there
[02:35] <fregl> tsimpson: you should be in bed instead of doing awesome stuff for us!
[02:37] <tsimpson> well I've spent a good 9 hours trying to burn a CD today, so I'm a little frustrated and can't sleep
[02:37] <fregl> hm... no XML-RPC means no blogilo - I've become quite fond of that lately
[02:37] <fregl> that sounds like a long time...
[02:37] <tsimpson> it felt longer
[02:37] <fregl> have you tried switching it on and off again?
[02:37] <tsimpson> yes ;)
[02:37] <tsimpson> it's actually something to do with wodim
[02:37] <apachelogger> ^^
[02:37] <apachelogger> rofl
[02:38] <apachelogger> classic one
[02:38] <tsimpson> it's one of those "fatal error: no error" messages :|
[02:38] <apachelogger> oh, sweet, that is like evolutions "an error occured"
[02:40] <apachelogger> omg
[02:40] <apachelogger> I forgot to brand kickoff
[02:40] <apachelogger> fregl: IMHO that ISO will only pass as developer snapshot
[02:40] <fregl> ok, so it's going to be just a early testers version - let's call it 4.0 :D
[02:41] <apachelogger> :D
[02:41] <apachelogger> yeah
[02:41]  * fregl takes away the "just another wordpress blog subtitle"
[02:41] <apachelogger> hm
[02:42] <apachelogger> firefox stills need to be configured as default
[02:42] <apachelogger> and konqueror needs to be hidden from the menu
[02:42] <apachelogger> also apparently I did not apply the switch to vlc yet
[02:42] <apachelogger> hm
[02:42] <apachelogger> oh well
[02:43] <apachelogger> fregl: I threw marble on the iso though
[02:43] <fregl> at least something :)
[02:43] <apachelogger> omg
[02:43] <apachelogger> gtk themings i broken ^^
[02:43] <apachelogger> *is
[02:43] <apachelogger> ah, right, becuase there is no kubuntu-default-settings the autotheming does not kcik in
[02:43] <apachelogger> *kick
[02:43] <fregl> hm, identica plugin only allows one identica account :(
[02:45] <fregl> ouch - I still need to write a nice long email... forget sleep :(
[02:46] <fregl> the world is horrible! I wish it was pink instead!
[02:46]  * tsimpson attempts to sleep o/
[02:46] <apachelogger> honey, we shall make it pink, I promise.
[02:46] <apachelogger> tsimpson: nities
[02:57] <fregl> dream of pink sleeps
[02:57] <fregl> we got identi.ca rss now, seems ok
[02:57] <fregl> but images are still broken
[02:58] <fregl> images are not broken, just that one was
[02:58] <fregl> yay
[02:59] <fregl> hm, or they are broken still :(
[03:02] <fregl> we will need a mailing list at some point
[03:03] <apachelogger> fregl: launchpad also does that
[03:03] <apachelogger> launchpad is like sf.net just in python ...
[03:04] <fregl> isn't lunchpad scary?
[03:04] <apachelogger> still 99 likers on facebook :(
[03:04] <apachelogger> fregl: ... it is python
[03:04] <fregl> yeah, hurry up people
[03:04] <fregl> apachelogger: well, that is actually nice :)
[03:04] <apachelogger> is it now :P
[03:05] <apachelogger> you should probably take a look at the code before saying such things
[03:05] <apachelogger> like really :P
[03:05] <apachelogger> anyhow
[03:05] <apachelogger> I should go bedwards, since I need to do maths assignment tomorrow
[03:05] <apachelogger> + I should be implement TCP
[03:05] <apachelogger> + I should be implementing a nethack clone
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> yay, finally syncdaemon isn't slow as crap
[03:06] <apachelogger> so many things to do
[03:06] <apachelogger> oh JontheEchidna is here \o/
[03:06] <JontheEchidna> o/
[03:06] <apachelogger> wow
[03:06] <apachelogger> cool
[03:06] <fregl> ah, the image is in now - weird
[03:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: now I actually know that my dolphin integration sort of wokrs ;)
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> :)
[03:07] <apachelogger> fregl: can you please decide on wehter it is working or not? :P
[03:07] <fregl> I cannot, as you see
[03:07] <fregl> but the image is shown on the page now
[03:07] <fregl> I take that as a yes
[03:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you already like fluffy on facebook?
[03:08] <apachelogger> fregl: maybe it is that silly browser of your's :P
[03:08] <JontheEchidna> ooh, I can be 100
[03:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes you can!
[03:08]  * JontheEchidna is 100
[03:08] <fregl> apachelogger: I'm currently using firefox :( the other one is acting silly indeed
[03:08] <fregl> yay!
[03:08] <fregl> we got 100
[03:09] <fregl> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fluffy/124142040948771 → amazingly scary
[03:09] <fregl> especially someone signing up on facebook to work on fluffy is weird
[03:10] <fregl> now we made some poor soul lose the game against fakebook :(
[03:11] <apachelogger> well that is life
[03:11] <apachelogger> now I can go to bed
[03:11] <apachelogger> I showcocked it though
[03:11] <apachelogger> eh
[03:12] <apachelogger> dented it :P
[03:12] <apachelogger> oh my
[03:12] <apachelogger> see, time for bed
[03:12] <apachelogger> o/
[03:12] <apachelogger> nighties everyone
[03:12] <apachelogger> fregl: save trip
[03:12]  * fregl hugs apachelogger good night
[03:18] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1135728 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Hide details widget once cache update is done
[03:28] <valorie> sweet fluffy dreams, apachelogger
[03:51] <JontheEchidna> new dbusmenu-qt fixes statusnotifier right clicks in maverick \o/
[03:51] <crimsun_> JontheEchidna: RE 591036, you have a problematic toggle called 'Independent HP',0
[03:52] <crimsun_> JontheEchidna: depending on the version of Kubuntu (well, linux/alsa-driver), this toggle behaves in opposing manners
[03:52] <crimsun_> JontheEchidna: this toggle is tied to 'Master Front',0 and 'Front',0 both
[03:53] <crimsun_> JontheEchidna: so, you should experiment with all three and tell me which option gives you the "expected behaviour" -- whatever the heck that is :)
[03:53] <JontheEchidna> Ok, will do. Thanks for looking in to it.
[03:53] <crimsun_> please follow up in the bug report; I'm away for irc for a good long while
[03:54] <crimsun_> away from *
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> crimsun_: Oh, before I forget, would you mind if I did a pulseaudio upload in the near future adding the start-pulseaudio-kde files? (Or could you?)
[03:59] <crimsun_> JontheEchidna: feel free, but be careful. You need to check what I did with start-pulseaudio-x11.in.
[03:59] <crimsun_> JontheEchidna: i.e., sync them. If you aren't careful, all sorts of things will break.
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> !find /usr/share/doc/python-kde4-doc/html/kdecore/KLocale.html lucid
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> :s
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> !find /usr/share/doc/python-kde4-doc/html/kdecore/KLocale.html maverick
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> maco: new in maverick^
[04:06] <JontheEchidna> maco: http://pastebin.com/wUx8XFXM
[04:06] <maco> oooh
[04:06] <valorie> crimsun -- all kinds of sound stuff seems broken lately
[04:06] <maco> boo
[04:06] <valorie> so many people are coming into #amarok with NO sound
[04:06] <valorie> etc.
[04:07] <valorie> mostly gnomies using Amarok
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> pulseaudio and phonon aren't playing very nicely at all in lucid, since phonon in Qt was such a mess in 4.6 :(
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> even after patching it up to kde's phonon
[04:07] <valorie> even in my loco channel, there was a guy with the same problem
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> from the looks of it, things are much improved in maverick now that we have sane kde phonon
[04:08] <valorie> yup, think it's phonon-PA
[04:08]  * valorie had to uninstall PA
[04:08] <valorie> and now phonon-xine doesn't work at all
[04:08] <valorie> thank goodness for phonon-vlc
[04:08] <valorie> :-)
[04:08] <JontheEchidna> crimsun_: turns out, that I can get the effect I want by muting front with Independent HP at Off. I had been just trying setting front to zero, but that didn't work.
[04:09] <JontheEchidna> crimsun_: I'll record that in the bug report, for posterity
[04:09] <maco> JontheEchidna: how about... what does this mean? TypeError: KLocale.languageList(): first argument of unbound method must have type 'KLocale'
[04:09] <maco> i dont know what "unbound" method means
[04:11] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[04:11] <JontheEchidna> I'm a bit rusty on my weird python errors
[04:12] <JontheEchidna> maco: could you paste a snippet of the code?
[04:13] <maco> that line is simply:  LANG=KLocale.languageList()    ...which apparently is wrong
[04:13] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[04:13] <maco> but then help(KLocale) says that function that's in the KLocale doc online doesnt exist... so... hmm
[04:15] <maco> python help shows KLocale.allLanguagesList() which gives the same error
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> maco: ah, do you have a klocale instance already?
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> maybe try KLocale locale, then locale.languageList()
[04:17] <maco> i tried making one by going like:  kl = KLocale() and then LANG=kl.languageList()
[04:17] <maco> and that gave me more errors so i undid it
[04:17] <maco> i think its telling me im using the constructor wrong
[04:18] <maco> it says it wants 3 args, but the help() doesnt say what they are :-/
[04:18] <maco> just:  __init__(...)
[04:19] <crimsun_> valorie: sorry, but that is no fault of anything pulse or below.
[04:19] <JontheEchidna> oh oh
[04:19] <valorie> ?
[04:19] <maco> valorie: i think he's blaming phonon
[04:20] <crimsun_> 23:06 < valorie> crimsun -- all kinds of sound stuff seems broken lately
[04:20] <crimsun_> ^^^^
[04:20] <JontheEchidna> maco: I think that all KApplications already have a klocale instance, accessible by KGlobal.locale()
[04:20] <valorie> that could very well be
[04:20] <JontheEchidna> maco: I found this in the old update-notifier-kde: language = KGlobal.locale().language()
[04:20] <valorie> since we haven't found one fix which works for everyone
[04:20] <valorie> cause is still unknown
[04:20] <maco> JontheEchidna: now i need a KGlobal! 
[04:20]  * maco looks around for one
[04:21] <maco> JontheEchidna: thank you :)
[04:21] <ScottK> Who's doing kdebase-workspace this time around?
[04:21] <crimsun_> valorie: are reporters using a sane Phonon for starters?
[04:22] <ScottK> Ah, lex79.
[04:22] <JontheEchidna> 10.04 unfortunately couldn't ship with a sane phonon in regards to pulseaudio :(
[04:22] <maco> JontheEchidna: :-/ hrmmm im still failing
[04:22] <JontheEchidna> the build systems are almost completely different
[04:22] <JontheEchidna> which led to problems which we couldn't identify or fix by release
[04:22] <valorie> I'm hearing from Debian and Ubuntu users, mostly
[04:22] <maco> JontheEchidna: times like these, i <3 Java.... the Java Doc is *awesome*
[04:23] <valorie> so.....perhaps not a sane phonon
[04:23] <JontheEchidna> maco: new errors?
[04:23] <maco> JontheEchidna: i did from PyKDE4.kdecore import KGlobal
[04:23] <valorie> however, my phonon is whatever came with Lucid
[04:23] <nixternal> hola
[04:23] <maco> JontheEchidna: and it tells me KGlobal.language() is a noneType
[04:23] <crimsun_> lucid's phonon is Extra Special.
[04:23] <JontheEchidna> :s
[04:24] <valorie> 4.6.2, according to synaptic
[04:24] <JontheEchidna> maco: could I see your main function please?
[04:25] <JontheEchidna> maybe something funky is going on in kapplication construction
[04:25] <maco> JontheEchidna: OH
[04:25] <maco> JontheEchidna: ok brain fail
[04:25] <maco> hang on :)
[04:25] <maco> oh no wait
[04:26] <maco> i was trying to just run the class that i'm playing with, not the whole program. but i just tried with the whole program too, and it still fell over
[04:26] <JontheEchidna> I think it definitely won't work without the kapplication there
[04:27] <maco> so hmm do i have to call it in main then?
[04:27] <maco> or can i call it in one of the functions that main calls?
[04:28] <JontheEchidna> after your kapplication is created you can run any class and it should work ok
[04:30]  * maco glares at pykde
[04:31] <JontheEchidna> maco: http://pastebin.com/FwrGjb7Z
[04:33] <maco> :(
[04:36] <maco> hrmph
[04:37] <maco> it works if i put it in the __init__ of the class that's instantiated by window= under if __name__ == "__main__" bit
[04:38] <maco> but if i put it in one of the methods that that __init__ calls, it fail
[04:39] <maco> er... if that method that its calling is in a different module. oh this is annoying!
[04:42] <fregl> people start to ask how to join the fluffy team :) hilarious
[04:42] <fregl> apachelogger: now I did go without sleeping :(
[04:57] <ScottK> fregl: Sleep is for the weak.
[04:57] <fregl> hey ScottK :)
[04:57] <fregl> true
[04:57] <fregl> I am weak though :p
[04:57] <ScottK> We all are to some degree.
[04:58] <fregl> :)
[04:58] <fregl> I finally got #fluffy officially registered and fluffy is a freenode accepted project now
[04:58] <fregl> hilarious
[04:58] <fregl> ScottK: what's the state of kubuntu netbook?
[04:59] <fregl> I'll make some promo for it at linux tag, without ever having used it
[04:59] <ScottK> fregl: In Lucid it's pretty solid.  Lots of good reviews.
[05:00] <ScottK> So far the recent netbook reviews I see are good.
[05:00] <fregl> great :) it is a different cd to grab, right? or is all I would need on the default kubuntu cd?
[05:00] <fregl> that makes me happy
[05:00] <ScottK> Different ISO.  It's sized for a USB install
[05:00] <fregl> it is probably much better than the suse thing, which was a bit unfortunate...
[05:00] <ScottK> Which means it can include games, some edu stuff, and more translations.
[05:00] <fregl> ah, I need a usb stick?
[05:01] <fregl> maybe I should play with it tomorrow
[05:01]  * ScottK will confess to having lost his temper a bit with asiego over that one.
[05:01] <ScottK> fregl: Yes, USB stick or SD card and usb-creator-kde.
[05:01] <ScottK> It's a live CD image, so you can run it off of USB.
[05:01] <fregl> yeah, I think the whole show was really stupid, I felt sorry afterward...
[05:02] <fregl> ok, I'll check that, thanks
[05:02] <ScottK> It's all good in the end I guess.
[05:02] <nixternal> heh, I have been trying out the suse thing...ouch...rarely does it work, at least for me
[05:02] <ScottK> nixternal: plasma-netbook on KDE trunk is a rougher ride than KDE 4.4 at the moment.  I've got 4.4.80 on my netbook now and it's definitely very beta.
[05:03] <fregl> nixternal: but the goal for the suse stuff is not stability but having the latest to give designers and such
[05:03] <nixternal> fregl: right, I understand that, but what good is it for designers or devs, when it doesn't work half the time?
[05:03] <ScottK> fregl: Certainly, it just pissed me off that as the one distro that was really pushing the netbook stuff forward, we got totally blown off.
[05:03] <fregl> don't ask me... I wonder how maintained it is.. probably not much
[05:03] <nixternal> I do like ScottK, and build it on my desktop, and then copy the files over
[05:04] <ScottK> nixternal: No, I'm actually running maverick on hardware.
[05:04] <nixternal> ScottK: politics on that one
[05:04] <ScottK> The netbook is just for experimentation.
[05:04] <nixternal> oh, you are running beta...sorry, didn't catch that
[05:04] <fregl> ok, I don't even have a netbook, so I don't care much about that :D
[05:04] <ScottK> Yeah.
[05:04] <nixternal> fregl: haha
[05:04] <fregl> and I have 4.4 and trunk
[05:05] <ScottK> fregl: I also use netbook on an older desktop with weak graphics.
[05:05] <fregl> but I guess I'll recommend kubuntu netbook instead of the suse stuff
[05:05] <ScottK> plasma-netbook is noticeably lighter than desktop.
[05:05] <maco> ScottK: you have mav on hardware? i thought you didnt do that
[05:05] <fregl> good argument
[05:05] <fregl> anything else that would be good to mention/know about netbook?
[05:05] <ScottK> maco: It's the netbook.  If it dies, it dies.  I reinstalled it twice during UDS.
[05:06] <maco> ohhh
[05:06]  * JontheEchidna is weak, zzz
[05:06] <ScottK> fregl: Since netbook is a major thrust for Canonical, Kubuntu gets the benefit of all the hardware enablement work their OEM team is doing for Ubuntu.
[05:07] <ScottK> So not only do we do a bang up job on the KDE bits here, we're leveragling a pretty huge investment that Canonical has made for Ubuntu Netbook.
[05:07] <ScottK> I know that sounds marketroid, but it's actually true.
[05:08] <ScottK> fregl: ^^^
[05:09] <fregl> hehe, ok
[05:09] <fregl> and for the general plasma-netbook shell? is it actually good to use? I imagine copy and paste between two windows sucks with that always fullscreen stuff
[05:10] <fregl> but it's a neat idea in any case
[05:11] <ScottK> fregl: The user feedback has been very positive.
[05:11] <fregl> ScottK: \o/ I will mention that
[05:11] <fregl> I get to do an interview for a german linux radio about it :)
[05:12] <ScottK> When I showed the tech preview of it ~ a year ago, at an Ubuntu Developer Summit, I got at least one lifelong Gnome user to switch to KDE withit.
[05:12] <ScottK> Cool
[05:12] <fregl> hehe
[05:12] <fregl> I would care more about converting windows users though ;)
[05:16] <ScottK> fregl: Here's a decent overview (except all the stuff he says doesn't work, actually does, you know how it is): http://gadgetmix.com/index/kubuntu-netbook-review/
[05:17] <fregl> thanks ScottK
[05:17] <fregl> that is perfect for the train :)
[05:18] <fregl> lol - Sure, you can install Gnome environment instead of KDE and make it look exactly like a standard Ubuntu
[05:19] <fregl> he could install ubuntu and have it look like ubuntu also :)
[05:21] <fregl> ScottK: is there a good was to "un-fullscreen" a window? I guess it's some kwin rule stuff?
[05:22] <ScottK> The app control in the right of the panel has a button for that.
[05:23] <ScottK> That app control replaces your usual maximize/mininmize/close for each application so you get more usable space on a small netbook screen.
[05:24] <ScottK> If you don't want it at all, change the kwin windeco
[05:24] <ScottK> We ship all the same ones desktop does
[05:29] <fregl> ok, I'll play with that
[05:34] <ScottK> You'll probably think you don't want full screen at first.  My prediction is you'll decide later you're wrong.
[05:37] <fregl> I think I want fullscreen, except when doing screenshots sometimes
[05:37] <fregl> I am not at all against it
[05:37] <ScottK> OK
[05:37] <fregl> not on the small screens
[05:37] <fregl> I was just curious :)
[05:38] <fregl> the only use case for every day use would be some copy and paste scenario sometimes
[05:39] <ScottK> Since any Intel netbook should run with desktop effect just fine, it's easy enough to pop around through the windows, IMO, but other may view it differently.
[05:39] <fregl> I haven't tried, so maybe :)
[05:40] <ScottK> You have to remember that netbooks are low power machines, so if you're sorting through 20 windows, you're doing it wrong.
[05:43] <fregl> only 20? :p
[05:44] <ScottK> present windows is way faster and more usable if it's 4.
[05:45] <ScottK> or 6 (what I've got at the moment)
[10:44] <Riddell> debfx, NCommander  waa qtwebkit failed on arm due to some symbols thing
[10:47] <debfx> Riddell: yeah some arm specific symbols need to be dropped from the symbols file
[10:48] <Riddell> silly arm being all special
[10:51] <apachelogger> Mamarok: happy birthday *hug* :*
[10:53] <Riddell> happy birthday Mamarok!
[10:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: this might be your fault http://www.comon.dk/nyheder/Linux-drenge-droemmer-lyseroede-droemme-1.361610.html
[10:55] <apachelogger> not fluffy enough
[10:55] <apachelogger> there we go
[10:55] <Riddell> is that a question mark or a unicode character I can't see?
[10:55] <Tm_T> Riddell: latter, it's a heart
[10:56] <Riddell> I'll try to imagine it :)
[10:56] <Tm_T> Riddell: what font are you using?
[10:56]  * valorie sees the heart
[10:57] <valorie> ♥
[10:57] <valorie> better than my lame <3
[10:58] <Riddell> Tm_T: my server which runs my irc client is an install from before unicode existed
[10:59] <Tm_T> Riddell: aah, makes sense
[11:00] <valorie> virtuoso-t using between 50 and 90% of cpu
[11:00] <valorie> makes things super-molasses like
[11:01] <Tm_T> doesn't do that here
[11:02] <valorie> seems like it happens most often at the end of the day
[11:02] <valorie> annoying, since I don't directly cause it
[11:02] <valorie> that I know of
[11:02] <Riddell> turn off file indexing
[11:03] <Riddell> unless you use it
[11:04] <apachelogger> Dear Mr. Riddell you really should ditch the ununicoded irssi and use Quassel instead :)
[11:05] <valorie> in Search, or where?
[11:05] <apachelogger> no unicode hearts is rather sad
[11:05] <valorie> advanced system settings is where I'm looking
[11:06] <valorie> found it; thank you Riddel
[11:06] <valorie> l
[11:06] <Riddell> valorie: we'll do that in future by default I think, although it needs some UI changes
[11:07] <valorie> I'm old fashioned - updatedb, and then locate
[11:14] <Mamarok> apachelogger: thanks :)
[11:30] <Riddell> bug 591180
[11:32] <ari-tczew> developers, could you check this bug? bug 533432
[11:33] <Riddell> ari-tczew: it needs to say what's broken about Gnome
[11:35] <ari-tczew> Riddell: some time ago I saw a bug similiar to mine, but now I didn't found it. 
[12:03]  * Riddell wibbles at the start of main inclusion reports for koffice
[12:29] <ari-tczew> Riddell: what do you get know about my bug?
[12:30] <Riddell> ari-tczew: a description of the problem
[12:31] <ari-tczew> Riddell: I wrote: during edit file in kolourpaint, my gnome is breaked
[12:31] <Riddell> "is breaked" isn't a description, you have to say what is wrong
[12:33] <ari-tczew> ok
[12:37] <jussi> !doesntwork
[12:37] <jussi> I like that facrtoid :F
[12:44]  * claydoh bakes a fancy birthday cake for Mamarok
[12:45] <Mamarok> claydoh: hey, thanks very much :)
[12:45]  * Mamarok loves cakes
[12:45] <claydoh> is chocolate fine?
[12:48] <Tm_T> yay for Mamarok!
[12:48]  * Tm_T hides
[12:48] <rgreening> mornin
[12:49] <Mamarok> claydoh: I definitely love chocolate, of course (I am Swiss!)
[12:49] <Mamarok> Tm_T: thanks :)
[12:50] <claydoh> Mamarok: :) 
[13:11] <emonkey> hey Mamarok Happy Birthday! :-)
[13:13] <emonkey> hope you enjoy this wonderful day ... (If more in the west the weather is nearly as good as here)
[13:42] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: oh man I totally forgot about ktorrent @_@
[13:42] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/ktorrent.tar.bz2
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: what is debian/GSOC? O.o
[13:45] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: hmm didn't I remove that?
[13:45] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: it's apachelogger's GSOC application
[13:45] <Quintasan> I was like O_o too
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> not from new-current.diff, at least
[13:45] <Quintasan> dunno how the hell it ended up there
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> no biggie
[13:45] <JontheEchidna> I can just delete it
[13:46] <apachelogger> this does happen when one does not have a package in a bzr branch ;)
[13:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: No. This happens when one puts his/her files everywhere exepct the destination directory
[13:48] <Quintasan> :3
[13:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: that too ^^
[14:29] <shadeslayer> omg.. nautilus elementary now supports playing songs directly.. like.. theres a play button on every music file
[14:31] <shadeslayer> kubotu: np
[14:31] <kubotu> shadeslayer_ is listening to "I'd Love You To Want Me" by Lobo [Greatest Hits] [http://open.spotify.com/track/6bKuIK89XZFe5fwW8whUlK] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more
[14:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: dolphin previews also have a play button
[14:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no not a preview,like theres a play button on the file,you click it,it starts playing,you remove your mouse it stops playing
[14:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/YeQtZ28.html 
[14:38] <shadeslayer> hmmm wait
[14:39] <shadeslayer> not that
[14:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://imagebin.ca/view/YgDZIh0.html 
[14:46] <shadeslayer> See that |> icon? if you hover over it,it starts playing :P
[14:48] <Riddell> nothing KDE hasn't had for a decade
[14:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes,but still,shows nautilus is getting new features :P
[15:02] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: everything's fine?
[15:09] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan, Riddell: libktorrent needs promoted to main before I can upload
[15:10] <Quintasan> awesome
[15:12] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: done
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks
[15:13] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna, Riddell: thanks :D
[15:13]  * Quintasan goes to study hard
[15:14] <Quintasan> I hate it when school years is near it's ending, tons of tests
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: wait
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: I need a patch from either current-new or debian-new
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> I only have new-current or new-sid
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> oh
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'll need one of those
[15:16] <Quintasan> they should be in tar.bz2
[15:16] <Quintasan> oookay
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: but it only has patches from the merged version back to the old version, or back to the debian version
[15:16] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: same here,fortunately i have only one left :P
[15:16] <JontheEchidna> I need the opposite
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> since I have the current version and the debian version, and need to get to the merged version
[15:17]  * shadeslayer cant take his eyes off the iphone 4
[15:19] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/debian-new.diff
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: thanks
[15:20] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/69524/current-new.diff <-- in case you need this too
[15:20] <Quintasan> :P
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> either one will do
[15:20] <Quintasan> okay, then I'm off
[15:35] <Riddell> ryanakca: did you get the kubuntu.org update news?
[16:19] <lex79> JontheEchidna: soname for this library usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.10    usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.0.10.0
[16:19] <lex79> is it 10 or 0 ?
[16:19] <lex79> :)
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> 0
[16:19] <lex79> uhm
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> but
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> that's messed up
[16:19] <lex79> yes
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> should contact kde-packagers, we can't release with that
[16:20] <lex79> usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.10       usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.0.10.0
[16:20] <lex79> the changed from
[16:20] <lex79> *they
[16:20] <lex79> usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.4    usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.4.5.0
[16:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any news on the site update?
[16:20] <lex79> JontheEchidna: ^
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> O.o
[16:20] <lex79> LoL
[16:20] <shadeslayer> lex79: i found that too...
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> they can't go *down* .so versions
[16:21] <lex79> nope
[16:21] <lex79> shadeslayer: where?
[16:21] <shadeslayer> lex79: in kdegames,it had 4.5.0 i think
[16:21] <shadeslayer> lemme confirm
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ofir is being given a server to install it to I believe
[16:22] <Riddell> lex79: that's kdeedu no?
[16:22] <Riddell> kdeedu just got a tar update
[16:22] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I'm going to write in kde-packager, that bump down is wrong? right?
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> it's just all messed up
[16:22] <shadeslayer> lex79: usr/lib/libkggzmod.so.4.5.0
[16:22] <lex79> Riddell: yes, I'm speaking about the new tar
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> it's not clear if they even meant to bump down, since once is .so.10 and the other is .so.0.10.0
[16:23] <shadeslayer> lex79: this is libkdegames5.install : http://paste.ubuntu.com/446686/
[16:23] <lex79> shadeslayer: that is right
[16:23] <shadeslayer> lex79: ah ok :)
[16:23] <lex79> :)
[16:24] <shadeslayer> lex79: btw is kdoctools in? with the new deps?
[16:24] <lex79> yes
[16:24] <lex79> JontheEchidna: at least should be libmarblewidget.so.10 and libmarblewidget.so.10.0.0 :D
[16:24] <shadeslayer> lex79: awesome ill work on the kdegames package in a hour then :)
[16:24] <lex79> kk
[16:25] <Riddell> I wonder if that's to do with the difference between QTONLY marble and kde marble
[16:25] <Riddell> lex79: what's in marble/src/lib/CMakeLists.txt ?
[16:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so we will get our own server now? and no need to go to sysadmins?
[16:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no, ofir will temporarily get one to set it up on, sysadmins will copy that over
[16:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh i see..
[16:27] <lex79> set(GENERIC_LIB_VERSION "0.10.0")
[16:27] <lex79> set(GENERIC_LIB_SOVERSION "10")
[16:27] <lex79> Riddell: ^
[16:27] <Riddell> Bump the soversion of libmarblewidget from 4 to 10 to reflect that we do not provide binary compatibility in the KDE 4 life-span (before Marble 1.0). The soversions are now equal for the Qt and the KDE version of the lib.
[16:27] <Riddell> CCBUG: 239831
[16:27] <Riddell> says svn commit
[16:28] <lex79> usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.4.5.0  -> usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.0.10.0
[16:29] <lex79> doesn't seem a bump soname
[16:29] <Riddell> so they changes their lib versioning, but the question is why the weird SOVERSION/VERSION difference
[16:29] <lex79> usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.4 -> usr/lib/libmarblewidget.so.10
[16:29] <lex79> yes
[16:32] <lex79> btw I have to change also the name of the package? from libmarblewidget4 to libmarblewidget10 ?
[16:32] <Riddell> lex79: chatting with upstream in #kde-edu
[16:37] <shadeslayer> heh.. aptitude was dropped from the desktop cd :P
[16:38] <shadeslayer> saves 14 MB's of space :D
[16:38] <Riddell> wow
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ^
[16:38] <JontheEchidna> for teh fluffeh
[16:38] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[16:39] <shadeslayer> also sparc,i64 and all the other useless arch's were removed....
[16:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: JontheEchidna apachelogger http://ubuntuedge.wordpress.com/2010/06/07/greetings-goodbyes-entrance-hell/ 
[16:41] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1135991 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (6 files) Include cleanups
[16:59] <maco> what are kubuntu's official minimum memory requirements?
[17:00] <maco> because i think mav shoved them up quite a few pegs O_O
[17:00] <maco> $ free -m
[17:00] <maco>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[17:00] <maco> Mem:           493        487          5          0          3         20
[17:00] <maco> -/+ buffers/cache:        463         29
[17:00] <maco> Swap:          894        440        454
[17:01] <maco> the panel, whatever kde's services are on by default, and a terminal are all that's open
[17:01] <maco> even the desktop's not drawing. lucid handled 512mb with no problems
[17:02] <maco> oh, aptitude is running too. i doubt that's what's causing the high memory usage though
[17:03] <maco> (since it was slow before that)
[17:05] <Mamarok> emonkey, shadeslayer: thank you very much :)
[17:10] <tsimpson> maco: see what's using the memory
[17:11] <maco> tsimpson: how? top's not showing anything using more than 29m, and that's virtuoso
[17:11] <maco> it seems like it must be some very inflated kdelibs :-/
[17:11] <shadeslayer> maco: its 256 MB
[17:11] <shadeslayer> maco: for the RAM...
[17:12] <tsimpson> either with the System Activity window, or with "ps aux|sort -rnk 4,4|head" (sorted output of ps by memory usage %)
[17:12]  * shadeslayer goes to look for his Ubuntu 10.04 CD
[17:12] <shadeslayer> maco: yeah,thats all it says, 256 MB of RAM....
[17:13] <maco> shadeslayer: well 512 is just barely usable... if 400mb of swap are used
[17:13] <maco> i really doubt maverick will even run on 256
[17:14] <maco> tsimpson: X is first, then plasma-desktop, virtuoso, konsole, kwin, krunner, bash, nepomukservicestub nepomukfilewatch, nepomukservicestub nepomukstrigiservice, printer-applet
[17:14] <maco> load
[17:14] <maco> er
[17:15] <maco> i thought there was a command other than top to see load avg. guess not
[17:15] <tsimpson> uptime
[17:16] <maco> ahhh ok
[17:22] <shadeslayer> maco: hmm.. i tried out a live cd on 256 MB on my P3 desktop... worked fine
[17:23] <maco> maybe min requirements are different in VM versus hardware? that sounds weird
[17:24]  * apachelogger needs more coffee to remain operational ...
[17:52] <lex79> Riddell: can I go ahead with kdeedu packaging?
[17:53] <lex79> should I rename libmarblewidget4 package to libmarblewidget10?
[17:53] <Riddell> lex79: isn't your marble segfaulting?
[17:53] <lex79> yes
[17:53] <lex79> but I dont' have all libraries installed
[17:53] <Riddell> mm, right
[17:53] <Riddell> well go ahead in ninjas anyway
[17:54] <lex79> ok
[17:54] <lex79> Riddell: ^ the question... libmarblewidget4 -> libmarblewidget10 ?
[17:54] <Riddell> might be an idea to see if anyone in debian kde-qt team more familiar with strange library versioning has any objections
[17:54] <Riddell> lex79: yes libmarblewidget10 it is
[18:08] <Riddell> lex79: sune said it was weird but shouldn't cause problems
[18:08] <Riddell> so I guess we live with it
[18:09] <Riddell> it'll need all the rdepends recompiled of course
[18:10] <lex79> ok...
[18:11] <lex79> only digikam needs rebuild for what I seen
[18:12] <lex79> and kdeplasma-addons
[18:18] <Riddell> yes
[18:24] <shadeslayer> hmmm i get a failed to build mail of kdetoys,and yet in the ppa i see that it has built 0_o
[18:25] <Riddell> failed to build or failed to upload?
[18:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: failed to upload
[18:25] <Riddell> that's different
[18:25] <shadeslayer> what does that mean?
[18:25] <Riddell> means something funny happened
[18:26] <Riddell> does it give any useful error?
[18:26] <lex79> shadeslayer: ppa1 failed, ppa2 built
[18:26] <shadeslayer> lex79: seems so..
[18:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 2010-06-08 17:17:38 WARNING     Unable to find source package kdetoys/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu1~ppa1 in maverick
[18:26] <lex79> shadeslayer: it's not a problem, ppa1 it's failed because I reuploaded the package :)
[18:26] <shadeslayer> ah...
[18:27] <lex79> so, now in ninja there's ppa2 and ppa1 is gone
[18:28] <shadeslayer> lex79: same for kdeartwork?
[18:29] <lex79> shadeslayer: yes, but the package is still signed by you, don't worry about credits ;)
[18:30] <shadeslayer> lex79: haha... no im just asking,why did you re upload the packages?
[18:30] <lex79> to get high build score :P I don't want wait 3 hours for building a package
[18:31] <shadeslayer> lex79: ah.. :P
[18:32] <lex79> that's a trick :P
[18:32] <shadeslayer> if you update chromium it asks for a restart, does anyone know if chromium got this feature recently or did it exsist before? 
[18:33] <shadeslayer> lex79: yeah i saw that if you ask for a rebuild score goes to 0
[18:34] <lex79> yeah
[18:53] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136022 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h cache.cpp cache.h) ++apidocs
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> lex79: could you toss usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js into not-installed in kdebase-workspace please? It interferes with our script in kubuntu-default-settings
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> (two panels, two activities in maverick alpha1)
[19:54] <lex79> it causes the two panel?
[19:54] <lex79> ah ok
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> but that would mean a dependency on k-d-s
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> hrm hrm
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> perhaps we should be patching this .js
[19:54] <Riddell> just what I was thinking
[19:54] <Riddell> or patch plasma to go if no k-d-s then run the other one
[19:55] <Riddell> although that's probably mildly fiddly
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> we could patch it to do loadTemplate("org.kubuntu.plasma-desktop.defaultdesktop"), and if that fails go about normal initialization
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> assuming loadTemplate returns bool
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> and that we give our script a metadata.desktop, or whatever's needed
[19:57] <shadeslayer> lex79: got a sec?
[19:57] <lex79> shadeslayer: yes
[19:58] <shadeslayer> lex79: ok like i said yesterday about kdegames-4.4.85-0ubuntu1~ppa1 being already uploaded
[19:59] <shadeslayer> lex79: should i rename it to kdegames-4.4.85a-0ubuntu1~ppa1 for maverick?
[19:59] <lex79> no please
[19:59] <shadeslayer> or do i upload with ppa2? remember ppa1 was for lucid
[19:59] <lex79> try with ppa1 for lucid and lucid1~ppa1 for lucid
[19:59] <lex79> ehm
[20:00] <lex79> ppa1 for maverick
[20:00] <lex79> you deleted kdegames yesterday, so now should be fine
[20:00] <shadeslayer> lex79: already tried with ppa1 for maverick,it was rejected...
[20:00] <lex79> ppa2
[20:00] <shadeslayer> lex79: and what do i write for the changelog? :P
[20:01] <lex79> shadeslayer: nothing, change ppa1 to ppa2
[20:01] <lex79> change the last entry
[20:01] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[20:02] <shadeslayer> lex79: and since the source is already uploaded,build with debuild -S right?
[20:02] <lex79> debuild -S -sd
[20:04] <shadeslayer> ok
[20:04] <shadeslayer> lex79: thanks :D
[20:05] <lex79> no problem
[20:06] <shadeslayer> lex79: hmm.. seems that maverick cant find the tarball i uploaded for lucid
[20:07] <shadeslayer> Unable to find kdegames_4.4.85.orig.tar.bz2 in upload or distribution.
[20:07] <lex79> uhm
[20:07] <lex79> debuild -S -sa
[20:07] <shadeslayer> lex79: ok.. 
[20:08] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I did kdepim-runtime 4.4.4 for maverick and I'll do kdepim later, so I have to drop that js file or do you want find a better solution later?
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> lex79: we'll probably patch it later. (but before alpha2)
[20:09] <lex79> agree
[20:09]  * lex79 points to Riddell
[20:10]  * lex79 thinks Riddell points to JontheEchidna
[20:11] <shadeslayer> btw any idea on how to make debuild use ccache?
[20:11] <lex79> debuild or pbuild?
[20:12] <lex79> +er
[20:12] <shadeslayer> lex79: debuild
[20:12] <shadeslayer> lex79: like im building kdegames locally on lucid
[20:13] <lex79> uhm to build package for maverick you should build in pbuilder-maverick
[20:14] <shadeslayer> lex79: oh no,im building kdegames for lucid,have a chroot for maverick
[20:38] <lex79> http://pastebin.ca/1879244
[20:38] <lex79> O.o
[20:38] <lex79> hope they are all false positive
[20:39] <shadeslayer> lex79: omg.. 369 missing files.. thats just.... how will you check all of them? :P
[20:40] <lex79> I have to see how, dunno for now :)
[20:40]  * lex79 takes a break
[20:44]  * shadeslayer uploads kdegames for lucid meanwhile
[21:10] <shadeslayer> lex79: when youre back please have a look at : https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdegames/ubuntu/+merge/27082 
[21:11] <shadeslayer> its the merge for kdegames for maverick
[21:11]  * shadeslayer likes how lp shows the diffs between the 2 branches...
[21:16] <lex79> shadeslayer: merged
[21:16] <lex79> shadeslayer: you forgot to bump kde-sc-dev-latest in control
[21:17] <lex79> maverick -> UNRELEASED
[21:17] <lex79> and drop ~ppaX
[21:17] <lex79> shadeslayer: I fixed in bzr ;)
[21:20] <shadeslayer> lex79: ok,but i didnt know i had to drop ppaX ... the rest i accept as my faults :P
[21:20] <lex79> no problem
[21:22]  * shadeslayer goes about fixing kdetoys in ninja ppa
[21:28] <lex79> shadeslayer: if you have time to do kdeaccessibility.... :)
[21:30] <shadeslayer> lex79: sure thing... is there any change?
[21:30]  * shadeslayer loves the ninja work
[21:31] <lex79> no particular change I think
[21:31] <shadeslayer> ok.. should be uploaded within the hour then :)
[21:31] <lex79> good
[21:35] <shadeslayer> lex79: ill be free for the next two months ( summer holidays ) hope you have loads of stuff to package :P
[21:35] <lex79> eheh :)
[21:37] <shadeslayer> lex79: hmm.. kdetoys says : E: amor: package-section-games-but-contains-no-game
[21:37] <shadeslayer> lex79: what do you suggest?
[21:37] <lex79> kdetoys is already built in the ppa
[21:38] <shadeslayer> lex79: yes yes i know this is when i build for lucid
[21:38] <lex79> uhm
[21:39] <lex79> shadeslayer: can you ignore it?
[21:39] <shadeslayer> lex79: yeah it builds fine if i ignore it
[21:39] <lex79> shadeslayer: ignore it then
[21:39] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[21:42] <lex79> shadeslayer: we don't want increase delta with Debian if it's not necessary, that change which cause the warning was introduced with the last merge
[21:51] <shadeslayer> lex79: ah ok :)
[21:58] <lex79> shadeslayer: I uploaded your kdetoys in bzr
[21:59] <shadeslayer> ok thanks :)
[21:59] <lex79> shadeslayer: are there no changes in install files?
[21:59] <shadeslayer> lex79: in kdetoys?
[21:59] <lex79> yes
[21:59] <shadeslayer> well i didnt find any but ill check again
[22:00] <shadeslayer> lex79: nope none at all
[22:00] <lex79> ok
[22:03] <shadeslayer> how weird cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/bin/kttsd': No such file or directory
[22:09] <ryanakca> Riddell: No, what is it?
[22:10] <shadeslayer> lex79: um.. kdetoys in ppa does not have a dep on 4.4.85,can i safely leave it since the maverick package will have that dep?
[22:11] <shadeslayer> ( i built it with 4.4.85 locally
[22:13] <shadeslayer> bah.. nvm i uploaded new package
[22:15] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: ofir is getting a new server to test it on,the sysadmins will copy the site over
[22:16] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: Ah, lovely
[22:16] <ryanakca> shadeslayer: Is it a new server... as in Canonical's... or as in Ofir's?
[22:16] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: hmm.. dunno,didnt ask much :P
[22:17] <shadeslayer> ryanakca: probably a personal one.. but not sure
[22:17] <shadeslayer> anyone have a idea why i get dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/usr/bin/kttsd debian/kttsd//usr/bin/ returned exit code 1
[22:18] <shadeslayer> idea..
[22:31] <shadeslayer> lex79: kdeaccessibility is a PITA
[22:31] <shadeslayer> so many missing install files... 
[22:32] <shadeslayer> especially in kttsd
[22:33]  * shadeslayer wonders if hes talking to himself again 
[22:33] <Riddell> ryanakca: ofir should get access to a server to set up the new kubuntu.org on
[22:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hey Riddell :)
[22:34] <Riddell> good evening shadeslayer 
[22:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw should i add a pykde and pyqt dep to kdegames,its listed as a additional dep
[22:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's not a build dep
[22:36] <Riddell> it should already be a depends of the package which needs it
[22:36] <Riddell> and the line in debian/rules will keep the build happy
[22:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/ada2Dg4E 
[22:38] <Riddell> and we use -DINSTALL_KAJONGG=TRUE in debian/rules
[22:39] <shadeslayer> yep
[22:42] <shadeslayer> lex79: kdeaccessibility done :)
[22:42] <shadeslayer> will upload in 10-15 mins
[22:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: does this look ok ? : http://pastebin.com/VDjaYYJ2 
[22:47] <shadeslayer> its a diff between the old kttsd.install and the new one :)
[22:49] <Riddell> what's that jovie stuff which was in there?
[22:49] <shadeslayer> idk... dh_install --list-missing showed it
[22:50] <shadeslayer> ah i think they renamed kttsd
[22:50] <Riddell> it looks like they renamed it to jovie for beta 1 and renamed it back to kttsd for beta 2
[22:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/?p=proj/kde.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbe9e0539ec9daa1a9da9f83fa87026595f07fc2 
[22:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: renamed to kttsd for beta 1 and jovie for beta 2
[22:51] <Riddell> is your diff backwards?
[22:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: diff newfile oldfile
[22:51] <shadeslayer> so i guess yes :P
[22:51] <Riddell> that's backwards :)
[22:51] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[22:52] <Riddell> well if it's called jovie now we might want to rename the package too
[22:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so should i make the kttsd package as jovie?
[22:52] <shadeslayer> yeah doing it 
[22:52] <Riddell> I think so yes
[22:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: description remains same?
[22:53] <Riddell> unless you can find a better one
[22:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw how long will it take for the new site to be up?
[22:54] <Riddell> I'm not holding my breath
[22:55] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[22:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well kde-apps.org does no have jovie,so im leaving it as is
[22:56] <shadeslayer> might as well rename kttsd.install to jovie.install
[22:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we will have to keep both packages :P http://pastebin.com/5E5qypP6 
[23:00] <Riddell> rm -r debian/kttsd
[23:00] <Riddell> that'll sort it
[23:01] <Riddell> NCommander: how come you're asking lamont to change buildds when qt4 is already built on armel?
[23:02] <NCommander> Riddell: it did?
[23:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: was it the cache?
[23:04] <Riddell> NCommander: and there was me thinking you had already fixed it :)
[23:04] <NCommander> Riddell: I'm just that good :-)
[23:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: those files got made when you first built and now you renamed it the debhelper scripts don't know to delete them
[23:05] <Riddell> NCommander: probably not a bad thing to get it the timeout raised though 
[23:05] <Riddell> NCommander: qtwebkit needs some symbols love I think
[23:08] <NCommander> Riddell: ugh
[23:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com.pastebin.com/4FR2nQBg 
[23:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the library naming is probably a upstream issue right?
[23:12] <Riddell> NCommander: which is more informing you than requesting anything 
[23:12] <NCommander> Riddell: I'll look at it when I have time ;.;
[23:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: first two issues aren't important, W: jovie: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/libkttsd.so.4.5.0 usr/lib/libkttsd.so  can be fixed
[23:13] <Riddell> just don't install usr/lib/libkttsd.so
[23:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm.. ok
[23:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw by doing this,arent we removing libs that might be useful?
[23:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: by removing usr/lib/libkttsd.so ?
[23:16] <shadeslayer> yeah
[23:16] <Riddell> it's just a symlink, doesn't do anything
[23:16] <shadeslayer> hmm ok
[23:17] <Riddell> should already be in not-installed actually
[23:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: rename kttsd.README.Debian as well?
[23:19] <Riddell> yes, assuming its contents are still valid
[23:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and yes the file is in not-installed
[23:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its been written for kttsd
[23:20] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/64EyNuna
[23:25] <Riddell> may as well keep it
[23:25] <Riddell> you could e-mail the jovie maintainer and ask if it's still accurate
[23:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm.. so keep it for now and email,update later if required,ok
[23:26] <Riddell> yes
[23:26]  * shadeslayer grumbles as pastebinit refuses to work with gist.github.com
[23:43] <shadeslayer> lex79: kdeaccessibilty is up :)
[23:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer is on a roll!
[23:46] <shadeslayer> :P
[23:47] <lex79> aya
[23:47] <lex79> *aye
[23:47] <lex79> :)
[23:48] <lex79> so kttsd is gone?
[23:48] <shadeslayer> lex79: yeps...
[23:48] <shadeslayer> replaced by jovie
[23:48] <Riddell> nice to see something happening in kdeaccessibility (even if it's not the important stuff)
[23:49] <lex79> uh do we need jovie replaces/conflicts on kttsd ?
[23:49] <Riddell> yes
[23:49] <shadeslayer> didnt think of that :P
[23:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: lex79 Replaces: kttsd (<< 4:4.4.85)
[23:50] <shadeslayer> fine?
[23:51] <lex79> maybe conflicts too, I still have to read the backlog
[23:52] <lex79> shadeslayer: well push in bzr we will see
[23:52] <shadeslayer> lex79: okies.. ill push it in a few mins..
[23:56] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~shadeslayer/kdeaccessibility/ubuntu 
[23:56] <shadeslayer> um
[23:56] <shadeslayer> wait wrong
[23:57] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeaccessibility/ubuntu 
[23:57] <shadeslayer> btw the change about replaces is in too
[23:58] <shadeslayer> not in the commit message though
[23:59] <shadeslayer> hmm.. wait.. it isnt :P
[23:59] <lex79> shadeslayer: can you do a merge proposal like you did with your last package?