[00:25] JontheEchidna: knh should probably suggest apport so we can take it off the iso for releases? [00:25] JontheEchidna: also, do we document PrivateClass members? [00:25] not private class members, but PrivateClass members that is ;) [00:27] It's < 50 kb, plus its useful for reporting dpkg errors. I'd opt for keeping it on, as long as we don't have to use it for crash reporting [00:28] apachelogger: you mean documenting the member in the forward declaration of the variable in PrivateClass? [00:28] like a normal variable/function? [00:29] no, I mean the actual members of the privateclass in the .cpp [00:29] JontheEchidna: oh, I just noticed gdb, and now I realize that we need that for drkonqi anyway, so nvm [00:30] * apachelogger finds the CD horribly fat [00:30] that's what I meant. OK, we're on the same page [00:30] my almost completely wiped fluffy is still > 500 MiB [00:30] I document mine with // comments [00:30] approx 100 of that is printer stuff :/ [00:30] JontheEchidna: yeah, though it looks sort of horrible [00:31] hmmz [00:31] makes the code difficult to read IMHO [00:31] becaus eyou do not realize this is a class declaration right there [00:31] / lol guys i am declaring teh class nao [00:32] while if you do have one large block it will probably fit on the screen and be easier to understand :/ [00:32] JontheEchidna: still looks ugly though :/ [00:32] Zerg m_zerg; //kekekeke [00:32] especially with a lot of members [00:33] oh [00:33] JontheEchidna: that will not work if you have an inline method though [00:33] or any member function really [00:33] u1::SyncDaemon does have a lot of those [00:34] also technically same-line documentation is violating the policy ;) [00:34] anyhow [00:34] Oh, I wasn't suggesting we do that. I just didn't want to use mroe than one line in irc ;) [00:34] yeah, makes sense [00:34] so [00:34] JontheEchidna: I think the policy should explicity state that only stuff in the .h must be documented [00:35] apachelogger: oddball question: your u1 stuff, would that stuff be "portable" to another distro easily? [00:35] just curious [00:35] JontheEchidna: and another thing about privateclasses ... I think we should also ommit the m_ prefix [00:35] JontheEchidna: because it is obvious through d-> that we are talking to the privateclass [00:35] apachelogger: I agree [00:35] having the m_ prefix is sort of redundant there [00:36] JontheEchidna: do you have time to make the policy reflec that somehow? otherwise I'll look at it tomorrow? [00:36] * apachelogger is in a state of fluff right now ^^ === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh_werk [00:36] apachelogger: currently I'm testing out getting pulseaudio working with phonon now that we have sensible phonon [00:37] seems to work ok, except that for with PA I get sound out of both the speakers and headphones [00:37] claydoh_werk: my stuff is even portable to another OS ... it is the other stuff that could make problems [00:37] JontheEchidna: oh, you should poke the mandriva dude who is phonon-paing [00:37] very awesome guy [00:38] and he is scotts ;) [00:38] I have deducted that it's not a phonon problem, since it occurs with paplay too [00:38] apachelogger: so it could theoretically be Kubuntu who helps bring u1 to the masses (non-Ubuntu) :) [00:38] probably crappy sound drivers [00:39] apachelogger: just my idle brain here on my dinner break [00:39] well [00:39] I do not see why the other stuff should not be portable really [00:39] assuming all is packaged properly [00:40] imbrandon: ^ [00:40] apachelogger: I agree, it is mostly just python, correct? [00:40] claydoh_werk: imbrandon is porting it to debian, so he would know where pitfalls are [00:40] claydoh_werk: yeah, mostly python [00:40] actually, my perspective is all python [00:40] the only non-python stuff is in the GTK/GNOME frontend stuff [00:41] * claydoh_werk wishes he were code savvy [00:55] tsimpson: ping [00:56] fregl: pong [00:57] tsimpson: about the fluffy blog on jussi01 - the wordpress asks to be updated - should we care about that? [00:57] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100607235703-aqn3la76rtmjueel * src/ (4 files in 2 dirs) dptr++ for syncdaemon [00:57] you shouldn't, but I should ;) [00:57] tsimpson: ok, thanks [00:57] I'm debating if the OS should be upgraded to lucid or if I should just grab a newer wordpress [00:58] up to jussi really :) [00:58] hehe, ok - you get that sorted out :) [01:00] tsimpson: do I ask you also if we want to get a new theme in there? [01:00] you should be able to install a theme yourself [01:00] ok, I don't know wordpress that well, will try [01:01] IIRC the ftp access data stuff is not setup [01:01] and without that wp refuses to do the job [01:01] the theme dir is writeable by www-data [01:01] so just use the link from the admin pages [01:03] tsimpson: it asks for hostname - what would that be? [01:03] fregl: what asks for that? [01:03] the add new theme stuff [01:03] really? [01:03] or do I copy the theme in a different way? [01:03] yeah [01:04] when browsing themes it asks for hostname/username/pw and connection type (ftp/ftps) [01:04] * fregl pokes Nightrose [01:04] * Nightrose pokes fregl [01:04] :D [01:05] fregl: why am i being poked? [01:05] Nightrose: because of all the fluffy being your fault, admit it! [01:05] * Nightrose denies everything [01:05] :D [01:07] * apachelogger hugs Nightrose [01:07] awww hugs! [01:07] * Nightrose hugs apachelogger [01:07] well, wordpress is teh suck [01:07] guys... why are we still awake at this ungodly hour? [01:08] tsimpson: wordpress is the r0ck! [01:08] :D [01:08] * apachelogger giggles over ungodly hour [01:08] it's far to late to setup a secure ftp server right now [01:08] Nightrose: we are doing fluffy alpha1 [01:08] fregl: if you give me a link, I'll install the theme [01:08] well I am doing anyay :P [01:08] ohmygod [01:09] "My Name is Michele Maiya, can you be my soul mate?" [01:09] sweet [01:10] oh dear [01:10] fregl: upload is gonna take 2.5 hours -.- [01:10] creating the ISOs on a machine with more bandwith would make more sense for sure [01:10] also [01:10] fregl: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/fluffy/#comment-251 [01:11] ohm [01:15] tsimpson: thanks, but I haven't really decided on anything yet [01:15] Nightrose: we are up because if I sleep now, I will miss my train to berlin to linux tag which would be a shame because then I could not present the fluffy there [01:15] ok, I'll look at getting a secure ftp server going so you can install things yourself later [01:15] \o&/ [01:15] \o/ [01:16] fregl: so you're not sleeping tonight? [01:16] Nightrose: I never do ;) [01:16] i know for a fact you do ;-) [01:16] damn [01:16] :P [01:16] apachelogger: we are becomming an official freenode project now [01:16] (or you face it pretty well) [01:16] *fake [01:16] I can even fake it :D [01:20] fake sleep or fake the not sleeping? [01:20] fregl: yay at freenode project \o/ [01:20] also if you take fregl's conext a bit out of context it makes a whole lot of different sense :P [01:21] lol [01:21] * fregl hugs apachelogger for being evil [01:21] bah, that blog needs lots of fluffin [01:24] pink wordpress themes tend to be cheesy - horrible [01:26] *nod* [01:26] oh dear [01:27] dptr with cctor [01:27] this is gonna be fun \o/ [01:30] * Nightrose is le tired and goes to bed [01:30] nini :) [01:30] Nightrose: sleep well, if you do sleep indeed [01:30] :D [01:31] i do as you might know [01:31] always this sleepery [01:31] * apachelogger kisses Nightrose goodnight [01:31] :* [01:34] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100608003425-67miff1wb07xkkch * src/libs/ (SyncDaemonStatus.cpp SyncDaemonStatus.h) dptr++ is sort of weird really ... so, dptr for syncdaemonstatus ... ok that is boring ... dptr++ [01:35] kubotu: karma dptr [01:35] karma for dptr: 2 [01:35] omg [01:37] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100608003707-7rxss2wz7dfwykkt * src/libs/CMakeLists.txt s/ubuntuone_kde/ubuntuone-kde [01:38] tsimpson: could you install http://www.wptmp.com/preview/807/ for now? that would be uberawesome of you :) [01:44] omg [01:45] target name conflict :/ [01:45] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100608004520-hods0u5e4jmzr0vr * (6 files in 4 dirs) Make libuntuone-kde shared, now we have a linking conflict app ubuntuone-kde vs. lib -> rename app to -statusnotifier... dont like that! [01:51] fregl: this upload is taking forever -.- [01:52] fregl: we really need to find some sponsor, so that I can have a sweet server for doing the isos ^^ [01:53] Nightrose: btw, new moby remix album is out, super awesome it is [01:58] apachelogger: any idea how we can create a text file on the fluffy blog? seems like permission problems to me [01:59] omg [01:59] 98 likers on facebook!!!! [01:59] fregl: a text file? [02:00] apachelogger: yay - but now it should be fine [02:01] we get freenodegrouped - rofl [02:04] \o/ [02:04] apachelogger: did you get contacted by someone? [02:05] indeed I did [02:05] great [02:05] uh, I should be in bed... since quite some time actually [02:06] fregl: no point in going to bed now :P [02:06] dude, I'll be all cranky and whiny otherwise [02:07] and I'll not have sleep till sunday [02:08] but loads of fun ^^ [02:08] I hope I won't have enough beer to start forking any linux distro [02:09] fregl: you will become liason :P [02:10] +i somewhere [02:10] I think [02:10] it is all so crazy [02:10] * apachelogger should probably also be in bed, but oh well [02:10] fregl: it is sort of scrary indeed [02:10] we need to get into real press - let's write something for linux magazin and c't and so on, as soon as the alpha is out :) [02:11] yeah [02:11] fregl: though... we might want to have kicking ass alpha then [02:12] true [02:12] ok, let's see how feedback is [02:12] I'll try to talk to peoplez at linux tach [02:13] you two need a fluffy-docs package then? [02:13] I very much suppose so [02:13] that said [02:14] probablly not much different then kubuntu-docs i guess [02:14] * apachelogger was thinking about somehow getting his bachelor thesis stuff surround khelpcenter [02:15] jjesse: well, the software selection is different, but other than that there isnt much difference [02:15] apachelogger then i would talk to nixternal and see where project mallard from gnome docs is going w/ kde docs before spending too much time [02:15] other than the appearance of course ;) [02:15] hrmm would need an "About Fluffy" document instead of "about kubuntu" [02:16] I think that is just a desktop file, so that should be the least of the problems [02:18] fregl: Rounded V2 pink edition installed [02:18] tsimpson: many thanks - another question - I cannot seem to access the "about" page I just created [02:18] page creation seems broken [02:19] did you publish it? [02:20] yes [02:20] but preview is just as broken [02:20] hmm, one sec [02:22] it works now [02:23] tsimpson: did you fix it or was the other theme just crap? [02:24] apparently I fixed it [02:24] though I don't actually know how... [02:24] no one touch it [02:24] * tsimpson backs away slowly [02:25] ^^ [02:25] * apachelogger hands tsimpson a cookie [02:25] * fregl hugs tsimpson :D [02:26] tsimpson: hm... image upload also doesn't seem to work...??? [02:27] omg, so many things to do this week -.- [02:27] yeah, I just noticed [02:27] * apachelogger is wondering if tsimpson shouldnt also be in bed [02:27] * tsimpson should [02:27] tsimpson: and while I'm bugging you... we have this identica group - do you know if there is a wordpress plugin for that? [02:27] ^^ [02:27] but not today [02:27] no one goes to bed these days [02:27] tsimpson: thanks for all your help → bed [02:28] * fregl should hit the matress too [02:28] or pack things for linux tag [02:28] how bout bed? [02:28] first packing then bed [02:28] meh [02:28] * apachelogger dbouts that fregl will get up timely anyway :P [02:28] *doubts [02:29] fix0r'd [02:29] apachelogger: ingo told me to be at the train station at 8:50 :( [02:30] when do you need to get up then? [02:30] 8? [02:30] * apachelogger finds 8:50 an ungodly hour anyway [02:31] in the middle of the night [02:31] fregl: it doesn't look like there's a way to feed identica into wordpress [02:31] that I can find [02:31] omg!!!!!! [02:31] 99 likers [02:32] omg!!!! [02:32] wah [02:32] * apachelogger falls over [02:32] tsimpson: I think my other blog has one... http://vikingisaverb.com/ [02:32] I get a squatting-site there [02:32] ah, damn [02:33] I just copied the link from the fsfe.org wordpress install [02:33] tsimpson: it goes by the name "Identi.ca Tools" [02:34] but that is really not something for tonight [02:34] http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/identica-tools/ [02:34] * apachelogger reloads the facebook site every 5 seconds to not miss when we reach 100 likers ^^ [02:35] apachelogger: take a screenshot [02:35] amazing [02:35] should be installed now :) [02:35] ah, you put in the new blog post there [02:35] tsimpson: you should be in bed instead of doing awesome stuff for us! [02:37] well I've spent a good 9 hours trying to burn a CD today, so I'm a little frustrated and can't sleep [02:37] hm... no XML-RPC means no blogilo - I've become quite fond of that lately [02:37] that sounds like a long time... [02:37] it felt longer [02:37] have you tried switching it on and off again? [02:37] yes ;) [02:37] it's actually something to do with wodim [02:37] ^^ [02:37] rofl [02:38] classic one [02:38] it's one of those "fatal error: no error" messages :| [02:38] oh, sweet, that is like evolutions "an error occured" [02:40] omg [02:40] I forgot to brand kickoff [02:40] fregl: IMHO that ISO will only pass as developer snapshot [02:40] ok, so it's going to be just a early testers version - let's call it 4.0 :D [02:41] :D [02:41] yeah [02:41] * fregl takes away the "just another wordpress blog subtitle" [02:41] hm [02:42] firefox stills need to be configured as default [02:42] and konqueror needs to be hidden from the menu [02:42] also apparently I did not apply the switch to vlc yet [02:42] hm [02:42] oh well [02:43] fregl: I threw marble on the iso though [02:43] at least something :) [02:43] omg [02:43] gtk themings i broken ^^ [02:43] *is [02:43] ah, right, becuase there is no kubuntu-default-settings the autotheming does not kcik in [02:43] *kick [02:43] hm, identica plugin only allows one identica account :( [02:45] ouch - I still need to write a nice long email... forget sleep :( [02:46] the world is horrible! I wish it was pink instead! [02:46] * tsimpson attempts to sleep o/ [02:46] honey, we shall make it pink, I promise. [02:46] tsimpson: nities === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [02:57] dream of pink sleeps [02:57] we got identi.ca rss now, seems ok [02:57] but images are still broken [02:58] images are not broken, just that one was [02:58] yay [02:59] hm, or they are broken still :( [03:02] we will need a mailing list at some point [03:03] fregl: launchpad also does that [03:03] launchpad is like sf.net just in python ... [03:04] isn't lunchpad scary? [03:04] still 99 likers on facebook :( [03:04] fregl: ... it is python [03:04] yeah, hurry up people [03:04] apachelogger: well, that is actually nice :) [03:04] is it now :P [03:05] you should probably take a look at the code before saying such things [03:05] like really :P [03:05] anyhow [03:05] I should go bedwards, since I need to do maths assignment tomorrow [03:05] + I should be implement TCP [03:05] + I should be implementing a nethack clone [03:05] yay, finally syncdaemon isn't slow as crap [03:06] so many things to do [03:06] oh JontheEchidna is here \o/ [03:06] o/ [03:06] wow [03:06] cool [03:06] ah, the image is in now - weird [03:07] JontheEchidna: now I actually know that my dolphin integration sort of wokrs ;) [03:07] :) [03:07] fregl: can you please decide on wehter it is working or not? :P [03:07] I cannot, as you see [03:07] but the image is shown on the page now [03:07] I take that as a yes [03:07] JontheEchidna: did you already like fluffy on facebook? [03:08] fregl: maybe it is that silly browser of your's :P [03:08] ooh, I can be 100 [03:08] JontheEchidna: yes you can! [03:08] * JontheEchidna is 100 [03:08] apachelogger: I'm currently using firefox :( the other one is acting silly indeed [03:08] yay! [03:08] we got 100 [03:09] http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fluffy/124142040948771 → amazingly scary [03:09] especially someone signing up on facebook to work on fluffy is weird [03:10] now we made some poor soul lose the game against fakebook :( [03:11] well that is life [03:11] now I can go to bed [03:11] I showcocked it though [03:11] eh [03:12] dented it :P [03:12] oh my [03:12] see, time for bed [03:12] o/ [03:12] nighties everyone [03:12] fregl: save trip [03:12] * fregl hugs apachelogger good night [03:18] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1135728 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Hide details widget once cache update is done [03:28] sweet fluffy dreams, apachelogger [03:51] new dbusmenu-qt fixes statusnotifier right clicks in maverick \o/ [03:51] JontheEchidna: RE 591036, you have a problematic toggle called 'Independent HP',0 [03:52] JontheEchidna: depending on the version of Kubuntu (well, linux/alsa-driver), this toggle behaves in opposing manners [03:52] JontheEchidna: this toggle is tied to 'Master Front',0 and 'Front',0 both [03:53] JontheEchidna: so, you should experiment with all three and tell me which option gives you the "expected behaviour" -- whatever the heck that is :) [03:53] Ok, will do. Thanks for looking in to it. [03:53] please follow up in the bug report; I'm away for irc for a good long while [03:54] away from * [03:54] crimsun_: Oh, before I forget, would you mind if I did a pulseaudio upload in the near future adding the start-pulseaudio-kde files? (Or could you?) [03:59] JontheEchidna: feel free, but be careful. You need to check what I did with start-pulseaudio-x11.in. [03:59] JontheEchidna: i.e., sync them. If you aren't careful, all sorts of things will break. [04:05] !find /usr/share/doc/python-kde4-doc/html/kdecore/KLocale.html lucid [04:05] Package/file /usr/share/doc/python-kde4-doc/html/kdecore/KLocale.html does not exist in lucid [04:05] :s [04:05] !find /usr/share/doc/python-kde4-doc/html/kdecore/KLocale.html maverick [04:05] File /usr/share/doc/python-kde4-doc/html/kdecore/KLocale.html found in python-kde4-doc [04:05] maco: new in maverick^ [04:06] maco: http://pastebin.com/wUx8XFXM [04:06] oooh [04:06] crimsun -- all kinds of sound stuff seems broken lately [04:06] boo [04:06] so many people are coming into #amarok with NO sound [04:06] etc. [04:07] mostly gnomies using Amarok [04:07] pulseaudio and phonon aren't playing very nicely at all in lucid, since phonon in Qt was such a mess in 4.6 :( [04:07] even after patching it up to kde's phonon [04:07] even in my loco channel, there was a guy with the same problem [04:07] from the looks of it, things are much improved in maverick now that we have sane kde phonon [04:08] yup, think it's phonon-PA [04:08] * valorie had to uninstall PA [04:08] and now phonon-xine doesn't work at all [04:08] thank goodness for phonon-vlc [04:08] :-) [04:08] crimsun_: turns out, that I can get the effect I want by muting front with Independent HP at Off. I had been just trying setting front to zero, but that didn't work. [04:09] crimsun_: I'll record that in the bug report, for posterity [04:09] JontheEchidna: how about... what does this mean? TypeError: KLocale.languageList(): first argument of unbound method must have type 'KLocale' [04:09] i dont know what "unbound" method means [04:11] hmm [04:11] I'm a bit rusty on my weird python errors [04:12] maco: could you paste a snippet of the code? [04:13] that line is simply: LANG=KLocale.languageList() ...which apparently is wrong [04:13] hmm [04:13] but then help(KLocale) says that function that's in the KLocale doc online doesnt exist... so... hmm [04:15] python help shows KLocale.allLanguagesList() which gives the same error [04:16] maco: ah, do you have a klocale instance already? [04:16] maybe try KLocale locale, then locale.languageList() [04:17] i tried making one by going like: kl = KLocale() and then LANG=kl.languageList() [04:17] and that gave me more errors so i undid it [04:17] i think its telling me im using the constructor wrong [04:18] it says it wants 3 args, but the help() doesnt say what they are :-/ [04:18] just: __init__(...) [04:19] valorie: sorry, but that is no fault of anything pulse or below. [04:19] oh oh [04:19] ? [04:19] valorie: i think he's blaming phonon [04:20] 23:06 < valorie> crimsun -- all kinds of sound stuff seems broken lately [04:20] ^^^^ [04:20] maco: I think that all KApplications already have a klocale instance, accessible by KGlobal.locale() [04:20] that could very well be [04:20] maco: I found this in the old update-notifier-kde: language = KGlobal.locale().language() [04:20] since we haven't found one fix which works for everyone [04:20] cause is still unknown [04:20] JontheEchidna: now i need a KGlobal! [04:20] * maco looks around for one [04:21] JontheEchidna: thank you :) [04:21] Who's doing kdebase-workspace this time around? [04:21] valorie: are reporters using a sane Phonon for starters? [04:22] Ah, lex79. [04:22] 10.04 unfortunately couldn't ship with a sane phonon in regards to pulseaudio :( [04:22] JontheEchidna: :-/ hrmmm im still failing [04:22] the build systems are almost completely different [04:22] which led to problems which we couldn't identify or fix by release [04:22] I'm hearing from Debian and Ubuntu users, mostly [04:22] JontheEchidna: times like these, i <3 Java.... the Java Doc is *awesome* [04:23] so.....perhaps not a sane phonon [04:23] maco: new errors? [04:23] JontheEchidna: i did from PyKDE4.kdecore import KGlobal [04:23]