[00:40] <BUGabundo> you know what? I see my pillow looking to me side ways! I think she misses me :) nite
[02:15] <coz_> hey guys...just an update .... formated another drive in 2 partiions with ext4... opened that drive on maverick also lucid... highlighted both drive icons on the desktop  again no "unmount"  or safely remove drives" available in menu
[02:16] <coz_> when right clicking one partition it has an unmount be spits out an errorsynchornize cache failed
[05:10] <hifi> 2.6.35 arrived it seems
[05:12] <Sensiva> Will be xchat 2.8.8 included in Maverick?
[05:22] <crdlb> Sensiva: this early in the cycle, it is very likely
[05:24] <Sensiva> ty
[12:11] <Fudge> if anyone has ever heard of vinux im testing the buildvinux script on alpha1 maverick, an error that i get from the log im not sure what means  http://pastebin.com/QcJ3KsnX
[12:24] <arand> Fudge: I get that message each time i log into a tty, so it's not uncommon, anyways, I've not reported it yet though, which I'll have to do I guess..
[12:25] <Fudge> ah, I thought it was something the script is calling but i couldnt isolate it
[12:25] <Fudge> this message is the result of a programming and version change failure
[12:26] <Fudge> thats what i found but nothing really to focus where prob is
[12:27] <arand> Yea, I'm guessing it's simply apt not agreeing with the new python, but I actually don't have any idea... I'm wondering what the best package to report the bug against would be...
[12:29] <Fudge> i dont ahve speech yet at consoles so cant tell you if this is doing the same
[12:32] <Fudge> :)
[12:32] <Fudge> for 230nicks in here its awfully quiet, everyone busy coding/sleeping?
[12:33]  * gnomefreak trying to but its not working with me 
[12:33]  * gnomefreak be back. updating atm and i need to think
[12:35] <arand> Fudge: Loads of idlers..
[12:36] <Fudge> yay for idlers, come idle on blufudge :p
[12:36] <Fudge> ircnet lol. once alpha1's installed one can continue upgrading through releases right?
[12:37] <arand> Fudge: Indeed, dev-version of ubuntu is mini-rolling-release, up until it's frozen.
[12:38] <arand> No extra steps needed to upgrade A1->A2, they're not discrete in that sense
[12:39] <Fudge> nice
[12:39] <arand> ..when A2 is declared.
[12:39] <gnomefreak> just use upgrade as you normally would
[12:39] <Fudge> ill use remastersys to image this then
[12:39] <Fudge> that way i can live cd it as well :d
[12:45] <Fudge> is edubuntu in alpha1 maverick too?
[12:45] <Fudge> not sure all the flavours that follow
[12:46] <gnomefreak> Fudge: all offial releases are at same point
[12:46] <gnomefreak> official
[12:46] <Fudge> great
[12:58] <ripps> hmmm.... the video window in gnome-mplayer has become translucent
[13:03] <Fudge> ok a wow player build that package
[13:20] <gnomefreak> a wow player?
[13:24] <ripps> Does anybody know why the video in gnome-mplayer is translucent? I don't have anything in compiz set to do this.
[13:24] <patdk-wk> did you change your eyes to superstrong recently? :)
[13:25] <patdk-wk> hmm, how interesting, I put one of them ipv4 vs ipv6 graphs on my website, and so far it's 100% ipv6
[13:25] <Pici> I remember a similar problem with xaos a long time ago, I forget what was done to fix it though.  It definitely warrants a bug report imho.
[13:26] <Fudge> is maverick built from lucid?
[13:29] <gnomefreak> Fudge: yes and debian
[13:30] <arand> Fudge: Well, initially, all package versions in MM are the same as LL, then they are upgraded/replaced throughout the dev process with newer.
[13:30] <Fudge> ok just wanted to check as i thought lucid lts was started from 8.10?
[13:30] <gnomefreak> its always the release before
[13:30] <arand> Fudge: Hmm, no, 9.10
[13:31] <patdk-wk> well, technically the build to lucid lts started with 8.10
[13:31] <patdk-wk> but it's generally not viewed that way :)
[13:32] <arand> Fudge: But one could also just as well say that it was based off debian testing, in the state it was at that point, since so much was pulled from there
[13:32] <Fudge> oh, i wondered when i was told that how that would make sense :D
[13:32] <patdk-wk> it's like saying we got to v2.0 without using v1.1, v1.2, v1.3
[13:32] <Fudge> hehehe only stupid quesiton is one not asked /me hides
[13:32] <Fudge> L(
[13:34] <arand> Yea, they're kind of starting to talk in the terms of "aiming for the next LTS" more and more, but still, when the going-to-be lts is started, it's always completely based off the latest release.
[13:36] <gnomefreak> arand: based off unstable not testing IIRC
[13:37] <arand> gnomefreak: All auto-sync in lucid was done from testing, as a special LTS-thing, maverick will be unstable again...
[13:38] <gnomefreak> yeah LTS is from tetsting sorry i meant normal releases
[13:38]  * gnomefreak has a medibuntu channel somewhere in this mess of channels :(
[13:44] <arand> Could anyone login to a TTY and confirm Bug #591236 ?
[13:45] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: not right now. I'm away form my MM boxc
[15:27] <funkyHat> gnome-power-manager has decided that I have a battery!
[15:33] <ripps> yeah, I'm using a desktop. The battery icon is worthless to me, it should be able to detect that I don't have a battery and remove the icon.
[15:35] <arand> Could anyone login to a TTY and confirm Bug #591236 ?
[15:41] <popey> arand: what command are you running to trigger that?
[15:42] <arand> popey: "username" "password" and TTY login, or actually as I noticed, "ubuntu-bug update-manager-core" :/
[15:42] <popey> sorry, it's not clear to me from the way you explain it
[15:42] <popey> you get that error when you run ubuntu-bug update-manager-core ?
[15:43] <arand> Yep, as well
[15:43] <popey> as well as?
[15:43] <arand> Hm, it seems I only get it when loggin into TTY the first time, subsequent logins not
[15:44] <arand> popey: As well as immediately after successul login to a TTY
[15:45] <popey> ah okay, i see, it's the thing that checks how many updates you have
[15:45] <popey> it doesn't run every time i think
[15:45] <popey> which is why you don't always see it
[15:45] <arand> Hmm, this time I didn't see it after a reboot...
[15:46] <arand> Don't think I updated anything related recently though...
[15:46] <popey> maybe a problem server side that update manager can't cope with
[15:47] <arand> Well, aptitude runs fine updating it seems...
[15:48] <arand> Wonder if there's a way to trigger it...
[15:53] <yoasif> anyone have any tips for making gwibber work in maverick? it simply will not start on my machine
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> yoasif: yep
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> use older kernel
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> .34 and .35 are busted
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm using it right now
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> Linux BluBUG 2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 08:09:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:56] <yoasif> BUGabundo_remote, it's a kernel issue!?
[15:56] <BUGabundo_remote> yep
[15:56] <BUGabundo_remote> security issue
[15:56] <BUGabundo_remote> >.33 are lockdown
[15:56] <BUGabundo_remote> and desktop couch won't listen
[15:58] <yoasif> thanks BUGabundo_remote will try to reboot into an older kernel
[16:30] <yoasif> BUGabundo_remote, thanks a ton, using old kernel, works fine now
[16:49] <mvo> arand: re the errors/warnings in python-apt - I will work on this
[16:52] <arand> mvo: ok, cheers, so it's correctly reported on U-M-C at least?
[16:53] <mvo> arand: yeah
[16:58] <BUGabundo_remote> please save me from madness
[16:58] <BUGabundo_remote> in virtualbox, my mouse started to get locked in the guest OS
[16:59] <BUGabundo_remote> it didn't used to do that, I could easilly move it along host and guest without hitting Ctrl
[17:06] <BUGabundo_remote> no one?
[17:06] <BUGabundo_remote> :('tysç
[17:08] <Fudge> modprobe loads kernel modules doesnt it?
[17:11] <bjsnider> or unloads them
[17:11] <bjsnider> with -r
[17:33] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo_remote: mine started that in lucid
[17:34] <charlie-tca> Just upgrading from karmic to lucid caused it here for my guest machines
[17:34] <charlie-tca> and it is sporadic, too. Some versions, the guest works normal and the cursor will move in and out of VB, some guests it locks in
[17:35] <charlie-tca> I do have 68 VBox machines running in lucid at different times
[18:05] <BUGabundo_remote> charlie-tca: thanks , my boss found it
[18:05] <BUGabundo_remote> Menu, Window Integration
[18:05] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm SAVED
[18:10] <coz_> hey guys...just an update .... formated another drive in 2 partiions with ext4... opened that drive on maverick also lucid... highlighted both drive icons on the desktop  again no "unmount"  or safely remove drives" available in menu  when right clicking one partition it has an unmount be spits out an errorsynchornize cache failed  << mentioned that like at 1am  so thought I would repeat it  :)
[18:11] <coz_> but not be
[18:21] <arand> coz_: I'm not sure I undrstand clearly, but it sound like a metter of a bug report to me?
[18:23] <coz_> arand,  yeah ... I already reported this on lucid bugs... I suppose I should report it for maverick as well :)
[18:24] <arand> coz_: Well, that's just a comment really, unless otherwise stated, it implied that it still exists...
[18:25] <coz_> arand,  the big issue is that it is starting to screw up my backup drive... well  at least I have to go back into windows to get all of the partitions working again   but  I will perserver  and hold on ...hopefully it will be fixed :)
[18:26] <arand> Just make sure you have other backups (DVD?) and liveCDs available ;)
[18:31] <coz_> arand,  yeah  ...as it stands on both lucid and maverick...I cannot trust anything written to the external drive at all
[18:32] <coz_> writen from lucid or maverick I meant
[18:32] <coz_> arand,  this is what happens    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/581904
[18:33] <coz_> right
[18:33] <coz_> arand,  it is consistent across several systems I have here...al different hardware configurations
[18:33] <coz_> all
[18:34] <arand> coz_: Could it be the drive itself?
[18:34] <coz_> arand,  no...it happens with 6 different externals I have here
[18:34] <arand> coz_: Ah, hmms
[18:34] <coz_> arand,  on different systems  the results are identical
[18:35] <coz_> arand,  it spits out that error each time for each drive on three different systems
[18:35] <coz_> so I went back to karmic on this system for safetly reasons :)
[18:35] <arand> Drives are all the same filesystem?
[18:35] <coz_> arand,  no    ext4     ntfs   and  fat 32
[18:36] <coz_> and several with both fate 32 and ntfs  on the partitions
[18:36] <coz_> fat32 rather
[18:36] <arand> I've been using at least a usb HD with no issues seen on lucid...
[18:36] <arand> But it's a thouroughly confusing Issue indeed..
[18:37] <coz_> arand,  well I am going to keep testing this  to see if it might possibly be something on this end...but so far no clues leading to that conclusion
[18:37] <coz_> arand,  I clean installed  lucid several times in a week  also with same results
[18:38] <arand> coz_: Could maybe try mainline kernel builds, especially if you test the temporarily on karmic, and if the issue is seen then, you can at least pinpoint it to the kernel, I guess
[18:39] <coz_> arand,  so far on karmic with default install   ...clean installs... this does not occur
[18:39] <coz_> arand,  I think it is going to be a little more difficult to pinpoint this but I will give it a go :)
[18:39] <coz_> be back in a bit    must get to the store  :)
[18:40] <nperry> How long does it take for a package to be updated...
[18:40] <nperry> In the repos?
[18:41] <arand> nperry: updated, in what context? New upstream, new debian, new in ubuntu?
[18:41] <nperry> In the aptitude changle it shows one version, however when i apt-cache policy it shows an older one available. Is it becuase the package hasn't been built yet?
[18:42] <nperry> I'm waiting for xserver-xorg-video-nouveau to update to confirm its fixed a bug :)
[18:42] <arand> nperry: Which one? It might not be built for your architecture?
[18:42] <nperry> amd64.. Might be why :)
[18:43] <arand> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau says they're built, but in "deendency wait"
[18:43] <arand> Pro tip: Always check on launchpad ;)
[18:44] <nperry> Where did you see the dependancy wait?
[18:45] <arand> Click the little arrow to expand the info about the MM version, and hoover over the puzzle-piece icon.
[18:45] <arand> nperry: If you click on the specific arch: "Missing build dependencies: xserver-xorg-dev (>= 2:1.7.6.901)"
[18:46] <nperry> Ah right I see
[18:46] <arand> So I guess it means the source and thus changelog is available but, it will wait to build the actual binaries, until it's got the stuff it needs
[18:48] <nperry> At a guess its waiting for the new x to be uploaded to be built against that.
[18:48] <charlie-tca> well, another tip learned today! thanks, arand
[18:49] <arand> Hmm but as per https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server there is actually no 1.7 , since 1.8 has been uploaded to MM already...
[18:50] <nperry> So the dependancie for nouveau need to be updated!
[18:50] <arand> Likely so...
[18:51] <arand> Unless there's going to be a 1.7 somewhere still, but anyways, it would need another name, and -nouveau would still need to be fixed to use that, I think...
[18:51] <nperry> Might go nudge somone in motu
[19:25] <BUGabundo> updating my rsync script for MM, in case anyone is interested
[19:25] <BUGabundo> jpds: if you have any tips for maximum optimization let me know them now :)
[19:26] <arand> BUGabundo: rsync? not zsync?
[19:27] <BUGabundo> zsync
[19:27] <BUGabundo> sorry
[19:27] <BUGabundo> typo
[19:28] <arand> ah, well I don't tend to boot isos that often, testing more in-install...
[19:30] <BUGabundo> I put them on grub
[19:30] <BUGabundo> so I can kickly boot from a daily to test something
[19:31] <BUGabundo> but I forgot to leave 4GBs to put grub and a dvd there
[19:31] <BUGabundo> so now I can't remount my other partitions for fsck
[19:31] <BUGabundo> I hate to find errors, and be forced to usb boot, so I can check the FS
[19:31] <BUGabundo> cause mount -o remount,ro / does nothing :(
[19:32] <arand> Hmm, that sounds nice, I end up just using DVD-RW in those cases..
[19:32] <BUGabundo> my dvd drive is a bit broken
[19:32] <BUGabundo> since the time I let my laptop fall into the ground and kicked it away
[19:32] <arand> But I'm kinda slacking when it comes to testing, just vm:s mainly..
[19:37] <BUGabundo> LOL
[19:37] <BUGabundo> there are dailie live for ALL versions
[19:37] <BUGabundo> except ubuntu desktop
[19:37] <BUGabundo> even http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/daily-live/current is there :)
[19:38] <BUGabundo> still needs some love, but here is draft 1 $ pastebinit zsyncu  http://paste.ubuntu.com/446783/
[19:45] <BUGabundo> YAY
[19:46] <BUGabundo> 800 min till its over
[19:46] <BUGabundo> don't you love 1st syncs?
[19:46] <BUGabundo> The following packages are BROKEN:
[19:46] <BUGabundo>   xserver-xorg-core
[19:46] <BUGabundo> oh great
[19:46] <BUGabundo> thanks Sarvatt
[19:47] <Pici> Yay
[19:47] <BUGabundo> ;P
[19:48] <C-S-B> when to join the fun, that is the question. :)
[19:49] <Sarvatt> you didn't see the emails to ubuntu-x and ubuntu-devel and it being on phoronix and me mentioning it to you  in irc last week?
[19:52] <Sarvatt> it'll probably take a few days to fully go away, the new server breaks anything that provides xserver-xorg-input-7 and xserver-xorg-video-6 (you can see what provides those in a custom search in synaptic)
[19:52] <Sarvatt> or just use xorg-edgers where i did the transition on all packages already for a few days and ppa-purge after :)
[19:53] <GatoLoko> is it me or totem refuses to play xvid/divx on maverick?
[19:54] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-x/2010-June/000897.html
[19:55] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I did not read the emails... I should but I lack time and motivation!
[19:55] <Sarvatt> most everything is just in depwait waiting to be built against the new server that just went through NEW
[19:55] <BUGabundo> I did read what you said... just not hoped it hit this late
[19:56] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I could just DON'T do this upgrades, right?
[19:56] <BUGabundo> until all packages transition
[19:56] <BUGabundo> as long as I don't get major breakage while on Vacations, next week
[19:56] <BUGabundo> I'm fine.... bw access will be limited
[19:58] <Sarvatt> dont upgrade, yeah
[19:59] <Sarvatt> it'll remove other things if you try and break your metapackages
[19:59] <BUGabundo> np
[20:00] <BUGabundo> I'm fine for now
[20:00] <BUGabundo> just blocked from some other upgrades
[20:00] <Sarvatt> install those manually?
[20:01] <BUGabundo> yep
[20:01] <BUGabundo> will have too
[20:01] <BUGabundo> aptitude is smart but not that smart
[20:01] <BUGabundo> unless I pin the packages, and it ignores them
[20:04] <justin_> question : if i upgrade through the update installer to 10.04 LTS from 9.1 will it wipe my hard drive?
[20:06] <arand> justin_: #ubuntu for lucid support
[20:30] <sebsebseb> Hi
[20:48] <jpds> BUGaTakeAwayfewd: Maximum what?
[20:49] <jpds> Oh, zync.
[20:58] <coz_> hey guys where is the rgba conf file to exclude certain applications from the rgba list?
[21:15] <coz_> I dont see a  /etc/profile.d/gtkrgba.sh.
[21:20] <BUGaTakeAwayfewd> GatoLoko: all codecs broken for 3 weeks now
[21:21] <BUGabundo> hey sebsebseb
[21:21] <sebsebseb> BUGabundo: hi
[21:24] <coz_> I noticed with global rgba on maverick ...of course some applications do not have rgba support and I need to exclude them but I dont see an /etc/profile.d/gtkrgba.sh
[21:24] <coz_> any idea which file can be edited to exclude some applications?
[21:30] <bsmith093> can i run the iso from within lucid and install to a blank partition?
[21:30] <bsmith093> or is that just insanely lazy?
[21:31] <Jordan_U> bsmith093: You can use grub2's looback feature to boot from the maverick iso without burining it to a CD, but I'm not sure if it will complain about installing to the same drive that it's reading it's iso from
[21:31] <coz_> bsmith093,  never tried that so I cant confirm it is insanely lazy :)
[21:31] <bsmith093> is there a guide or preferably a gui for that
[21:33] <Jordan_U> bsmith093: The closest thing to a GUI for that is super grub2 disk, but then you'd have to burn a CD anyway :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1288604 explains how to create a menu entry for an Ubuntu iso, then just put that entry in /etc/grub.d/40_custom and "sudo update-grub"
[21:35] <Jordan_U> bsmith093: I'm hoping that before 10.10 is released it will include a script to set up this type of thing automagically, integrated with testdrive (which has a GUI)
[22:11] <methril_work> someone taking care of linux-rt kernel?
[22:11] <methril_work> i see no upgrades in the kernel fro some time
[22:13] <Ian_corne> Anyone else got no sound?
[22:13] <Ian_corne> It's weird because on my laptop it does work
[22:16] <BUGabundo> Ian_corne: wfm
[22:16] <BUGabundo> muted ?
[22:19] <Ian_corne> nowhere
[22:20] <BUGabundo> fresh boot?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> paman? pavucontrol?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> aplay?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> nothing?
[22:22] <Ian_corne> very frash boot
[22:22] <Ian_corne> fresh
[22:25] <Ian_corne> it's back BUGabundo !
[22:25] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:25] <Ian_corne> pavucontrol did the trick :p
[23:34] <BUGabundo> I lost sudo mojo power
[23:34] <BUGabundo> s$ sudo rm -rf /media/fat_/.Trash-1000/
[23:34] <BUGabundo> rm: cannot remove directory `/media/fat_/.Trash-1000': Directory not empty
[23:41] <Sensiva> BUGabundo that's not a sudo issue, try -R