[03:28] <Prototyp1X29A> i'm puzzled what to do with this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/399715
[03:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 399715 in totem (Ubuntu) "alsamixer Master Front volume keeps zeroing (affects: 1) (heat: 14)" [Low,New]
[03:29] <Prototyp1X29A> it says it should be sent upstream to gnome, but i don't know what it has to do with gnome, so i can hardly make a report upstream
[03:31] <ddecator> totem is developed by the gnome devs, so if the problem really is in totem then they would be the ones to fix it
[03:34] <Prototyp1X29A> oh i didn't see it is hinted to totem
[03:35] <Prototyp1X29A> the text is about alsamixer
[03:35] <Prototyp1X29A> it has nothing to do with totem
[03:37] <ddecator> yah, just looked at it. it shouldn't be assigned to totem, my guess is seb just saw it was filed against totem and automatically put the upstream comment (unless he possibly thinks it is due to totem for some reason, i'm not good with sound bugs)
[03:38] <Prototyp1X29A> you should do these upstream-comments automatically by a bot
[03:39] <Prototyp1X29A> it doesn't happen with the RT-Kernel, might it be a problem in the kernel package?
[03:39] <Prototyp1X29A> actually a problem with the kernel
[03:40] <ddecator> potentially
[07:21] <SpamapS> Hmm.. so there's something very confusing in the circle of "HowToTriage" and the instructions for how to join bug-control
[07:21] <SpamapS> In order to join, one must "triage some bugs"
[07:21] <SpamapS> but you can't set bugs to "triaged" until you're on bug-control
[07:22] <SpamapS> so really all you can do is confirm bugs
[07:22] <drew212> yes, and you can ask someone in bug control to triage a bug for you
[07:24] <SpamapS> Oh
[07:24] <SpamapS> you mean like, work together? ;-)
[07:24]  * SpamapS sometimes forgets there are other people in the world ;)
[07:24] <drew212> yes, i've been working with micahg for a while now on firefox bugs, he has set the triage level for some of my bugs...
[07:24] <drew212> there are some really awesome people in bugsquad that are more than willing to help you out
[07:25] <drew212> have you applied for a mentor yet?
[07:25] <SpamapS> thats another unclear point.. whether or not its required to join bug control
[07:26] <drew212> its not afaik yet, but it sounds like its going to be in the future...
[07:26] <drew212> its a great way to learn things quickly
[07:26] <SpamapS> forgive my relatively frustrated tone.. I'm a bit overwhelmed by the amount of (excellent) documentation I've been reading
[07:26] <drew212> no, its quite alright, we were all in your shoes once...
[07:26] <drew212> actually, you're not that far behind me =D
[07:27] <SpamapS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/net-tools/+bug/199702  .. that one looks like it just needs to wait for upstream
[07:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 199702 in net-tools (Ubuntu) "netstat does not display all PIDs (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[07:27] <drew212> although the documentation is excellent, you're going to have tons of questions because each bug will be different, you cant read yourself experience..
[07:28] <drew212> well first it needs to be confirmed, and triaged
[07:28] <vish> drew212: SpamapS: applying for a mentor is not a requirement for bug control , its just to help new members. anyone can apply for bug control once they have a good experience triaging bugs
[07:28] <SpamapS> Its been confirmed by 3 people in the comments, they just didn't know to mark it confirmed... and the patch was accepted upstream
[07:29] <SpamapS> sorry confirmed by 2 people.
[07:29] <vish> SpamapS: you can just confirm the bug for others and add a comment in the likes of: "confirming the bug from other members reporting the same issue"
[07:30] <drew212> SpamapS: i would mark it fix commited and provide a link, but take my advice with a grain of salt
[07:30] <vish> SpamapS: always remember to add a comment when you make a change in status , and for this bug , you can add the upstream task
[07:31] <drew212> SpamapS: ill let vish help you, as he sounds more experienced than I.
[07:32] <SpamapS> vish: the previous commenter added a link to berlios.de, but I think it may have been missed because it wasn't alone on its own line.. correct?
[07:32] <vish> SpamapS: yup , just noticed that link. you can add it to the top of the bug report using the "Also affects project" link
[07:33] <drew212> vish: thanks again for taking over =P, i shouldn't be giving advice
[07:33] <vish> drew212: heh , nah , it is fix committed :)
[07:34] <SpamapS> vish: actually I think its because launchpad doesn't know what developer.berlios.de is
[07:34] <drew212> vish: i wish i was more experienced and fluent enough to be in bug control. I'm going to be a dev someday, so it is ineveitable
[07:35] <vish> SpamapS: turns out to be the case.
[07:36]  * vish checking other net-tools bugs
[07:37] <SpamapS> vish: would it then be prudent to report a bug against launchpad?
[07:38] <vish> SpamapS: lp recognizes *several* upstream bug trackers, might be a known issue , you can try asking in #launchpad  why it is not yet recognized
[07:39] <SpamapS> yay.. my 21'st irssi window.. :-P
[07:40] <SpamapS> correction, my 24th window.. :-P
[07:40]  * SpamapS starts closing queries
[07:40] <drew212> lol
[07:40] <vish> SpamapS: have you checked if there are any bugs for that issue on debian bug tracker ?
[07:40] <vish> for some reason i cant seem to access it
[07:40] <SpamapS> vish: I gave it a quick glance
[07:41] <SpamapS> Lots of bugs against net-tools
[07:41] <SpamapS> seems like they're relatively crappy and outdated quite frankly. :-P
[07:42] <SpamapS> anyway no it doesn't look like that one has been reported on debian
[07:46] <vish> looks like Bug #560807 , could benefit forwarding as well , bug reporter has sbmitted patch as well and it is unattended for ~2months
[07:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 560807 in net-tools (Ubuntu) "ifconfig does not display inet6 addresses (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560807
[07:46] <SpamapS> was just reading that and trying to see if I could easily confirm
[07:47] <SpamapS> but my ipv6 knowledge fits on a 360k 5 1/4" floppy disk. :-/
[09:06] <xelister> hi, I find this annoy that ubuntu can not use LCD
[09:06] <xelister> at least not fully, it flickers totally
[09:07] <xelister> what would you say for an idea to include some utlity to allow user EASLY tune that (at least with try&error approach)?  and to hint user about this possiblity.  And against what such a bug should be reported? It especially annoying in livecd
[10:33] <tarun> hi
[10:33] <tarun> me tarun from INDIA
[10:33] <Guest57785> I want to support in bugs
[10:33] <Guest57785> in ubuntu
[10:36] <vish> Guest57785: hi , for starters you can have a read of the Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs
[10:37] <vish> !bugs > Guest57785
[10:37] <ubot2> Guest57785, please see my private message
[10:38] <vish> Guest57785: you want to fix the bugs that have been reported?
[10:45] <BUGabundo_remote> !register
[10:45] <ubot2> Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode
[10:45] <BUGabundo_remote> Guest57785: ^^^^^^^^
[11:15] <genux> lo all.. was wondering if someone has the time to walk thought this bug
[11:15] <genux> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/588107
[11:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 588107 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Firefox crashes while maximizing youtube video (affects: 1) (heat: 488)" [Undecided,New]
[11:16] <genux> to show me how to triage ?
[11:26] <nperry> First of all do you think the bug report has enough information? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Improving
[11:29] <nperry> If you don't get some more information, asking for these kind of things. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs?action=show&redirect=DebuggingFirefox
[11:32] <genux> thanks nperry shall read up thoses :)
[11:35] <nperry> genux: This is where all the useful information is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[11:35] <nperry> Might be best to bookmark
[11:37] <genux> thanks nperry.. shall bookmark :)
[11:52] <genux> nperry: after reading the improving, it appears that all of the details are include, but I would say the bug is due to a "third" party, which would be flash player ?
[11:53] <genux> would you say that is correct ?
[11:53] <genux> I could play the youtube film in full
[11:54] <genux> I am using x86_64 and not a i686.. so since I may be using a different flash player then could be why I am not getting the same error ?
[11:55] <genux> and also I am using a wrapped up version as well ?
[11:56] <genux> or would you ask the person reporting the problem to run firefox in the dbg setup ? (debugger )
[13:12] <bilalakhtar> om26er: Hi there! Thanks for noticing my name spelling error in GMP. I had already noticed it two days before you.
[13:12] <bilalakhtar> om26er: That too in time, luckily just before the release.
[13:14] <om26er> bilalakhtar, I noted it before but forgot to report so I noticed it first ;)
[13:14] <bilalakhtar> om26er: hehe
[13:15] <bilalakhtar> om26er: BTW, Shouldn't your name be umar?
[13:16] <vish> bilalakhtar: funny how you know his name better than him ;)
[13:16] <om26er> bilalakhtar, even better It would sound 'Umer' but I dont know who first wrote omer
[13:17] <bilalakhtar> vish: I have many friends who write their name as "Umar" and the westeners mistake it to be "Omer"
[13:19] <om26er> bilalakhtar, you should open a bug report too ;
[13:19] <vish> bilalakhtar: not really , i'v seen both spellings though , seems to be just personal repfs
[13:19] <vish> prefs*
[14:59] <BUGabundo_remote> mew
[14:59] <BUGabundo_remote> LP tags field should be larger
[15:00] <BUGabundo_remote> I can't even read what's in there, much less edit it
[15:00] <jpds> 301 #launchpad
[15:00]  * BUGabundo_remote files a bug
[15:00] <BUGabundo_remote> jpds: LOL
[15:05] <BUGabundo_remote> fyi https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/591274
[15:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 591274 in malone "tags field is too small (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[15:07]  * jpds considers tagging that report.
[15:08] <BUGabundo_remote> tagging?
[15:31] <xteejx> Hey guys, was gonna a bit of gnome-games triaging for hugday early bug huday current is coming up with 20100617 not 20100610 like it should...help?
[15:33] <xteejx> pedro_: ^
[15:33] <xteejx> 'hugday current' is wrong
[15:34] <pedro_> xteejx, yeah, because the other page was already created, i've put some instructions on the wiki page on how to use hugday tools with it
[15:34] <pedro_> hugday --day=20100610 close #number
[15:34] <pedro_> xteejx, try that ^ , it should work fine
[15:34] <xteejx> pedro_: No probs, just thought it might be a problem come Thursday :)
[15:36] <pedro_> xteejx, yeap, seeing the wiki now, the note is way to small , let me fix that
[15:36] <pedro_> xteejx, thanks for raising it ;-)
[15:36] <xteejx> pedro_: You're welcome :D
[15:39] <xteejx> How do I find the changelogs for gnome-games, specifically quadrapassel? I'm wondering if bug 590214 could be a candidate for SRU?
[15:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 590214 in gnome-games (Ubuntu) "Quadrapassel has no sound (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/590214
[15:41] <xteejx> i.e. the changes between the Lucid release and the current maverick one
[15:42] <xteejx> think I found it in /usr/share/doc/quadrapassel no worries :)
[16:00] <karyo> do I have to be able to mangle around my system and/or be able to use VMs to be a traiger?
[16:03] <xteejx> karyo: Not at all, but it does help if you have a VM with maverick to test if a bug can be reproduced in the latest development release, but no it's not essential :)
[16:05] <karyo> xteejx, well my main interest is in localization issues and in making LTS more stable(less bugs) does this mean anything to the bug team?
[16:06] <xteejx> karyo: Of course. Any help is appreciated. Bear in mind that while there may be some bugs in a stable release, they may have been fixed in the dev release, hence the need for testing it, but there are a number of people on here running it, myself included so if there's anything you need testing just ask.
[16:08] <karyo> I think I should familiarize with the documentations a little more. thx
[16:08] <xteejx> maybe not then... lol
[17:00] <pedro_> hey folks,  who is here for the BugSquad meeting?
[17:01] <pedro_> vish, jjesse, bencrisford, hggdh, ddecator ?
[17:01]  * charlie-tca is here
[17:01] <vish> o/
[17:02] <ddecator> pedro_: i'm here for now, can't stay the whole meeting
[17:02] <hggdh> ~o~
[17:02] <pedro_> ddecator, no worries ;-)
[17:02] <pedro_> alright, i don't see any agenda item listed at : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting
[17:02] <ddecator> o/
[17:02]  * bencrisford is here! :)
[17:02] <pedro_> vish, saw you were talking about the mentoring program, want to discuss that during the meeting?
[17:02] <vish> hmm , I have an agenda , the mentors
[17:03] <vish> pedro_: yup :)
[17:03] <pedro_> vish, the stage is yours ;-)
[17:03]  * micahg is kinda here
[17:03] <hggdh> heh
[17:03] <vish> well , basically the team is now a mess of old students and new ones
[17:03] <vish> and it is hard to find out who is still interested and who is not
[17:04] <vish> the mentors list also seems a bit confusing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/
[17:04] <vish> mrooney , not sure if he still wants to mentor
[17:04] <pedro_> I sent an email a week ago to the folks on the proposed state, received only a few responses which I've been adding to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/Students
[17:05] <ddecator> i need to update my available times in the next couple of weeks..
[17:05] <vish> pedro_: who are all the  mentors who have replied
[17:05] <pedro_> vish, we only asked to reply to those who are not up for mentoring , we decided to do it that way in the UDS discussion
[17:06] <hggdh> so, by definition, no reply == in
[17:06] <vish> hmm , ok. so shall we re-approve mrooney and add mentees to him?
[17:06] <vish> i havent seen him around for a while
[17:06] <vish> also , shall we purge the old students and ask them to apply again? [apologizing for the mess of course ;)  ]
[17:06] <pedro_> vish, contact him to see if he's around first ;-)
[17:07] <vish> pedro_: ok , i'll do that
[17:07] <pedro_> vish, old students being the ones who were mentored at some point but never heard back from the mentor ?
[17:08] <vish> pedro_: might be those and those who are not interested any more , basically : https://edge.launchpad.net/~bugsquad-mentorship/+members#active  is a huge mess
[17:08] <vish> pedro_: i like your idea of having 3months period for students , for the mentors we full approval , will make it easier to see who is mentor and student
[17:09] <vish> approve*
[17:09] <pedro_> vish, ok i'll give you a hand reviewing those students
[17:09] <vish> neat!
[17:09] <pedro_> it might be easy to get a list of those with launchpadlib
[17:10] <pedro_> oh and please do not approve students on the team unless they have a mentor assigned
[17:10] <vish> +1
[17:10] <ddecator> quick question: what is the policy for students who stop communicating with the mentor?
[17:11] <vish> ddecator: MIA
[17:11] <vish> ;p
[17:11] <pedro_> waiting ~1 month is enough i think for those
[17:11] <hggdh> and then take them out of the mentorship
[17:11] <vish> another issue , was how do we handle students with dual interests?
[17:11] <pedro_> then contact the admin team to say that the student is no longer available, so we can remove it from the list and the team as well
[17:11] <ddecator> ok, my student still hasn't gotten back to me. i'm going to send him one more email tonight just in case it was because of school, so we'll see what happens
[17:12] <vish> ddecator: remove student from your list if you dont hear back
[17:12] <pedro_> vish, like... ?
[17:12] <vish> just a sec
[17:12] <ddecator> vish: right, just want to give him one more chance
[17:13] <vish> like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/drew212 , student lists kernel and FF as interests
[17:13] <ddecator> another quick question: i'm about to move back to michigan for the summer and my available hours will most likely change. do i just need to change it on the wiki page, or do i need to contact the admins and let them know?
[17:13] <ddecator> vish: oh, haha, micah and i have been working with drew some
[17:13] <vish> ddecator: yup , i know ;)
[17:14] <vish> do we assign one mentor for the whole 3 months or do we assign 1 mentor for 1 month and then switch
[17:14] <vish> to next interest.
[17:14] <pedro_> vish, ask him in which of those tasks he'd like to start to work first?
[17:14] <pedro_> in either of those he'd learn how to triage, policies, etc
[17:14] <ddecator> yah, i believe he wants to start with firefox but eventually, once he gets a better feel for the workflow, start working on kernel. but it'd be best to ask him
[17:15] <vish> pedro_: yup, that would be the first thing , I thinking of how long to keep under one mentor
[17:15] <charlie-tca> Why not simply assign the student where the mentor is available. At least it allows you to spread the mentee/mentor assignments out, then.
[17:15] <ddecator> charlie-tca: +1
[17:15] <pedro_> i like that
[17:16] <vish> charlie-tca: thats how we have planned right?
[17:16] <hggdh> IIRC, yes
[17:16] <charlie-tca> I thought we did. There is no need to move a student to another interest. He will pick that up along the way
[17:17] <vish> my concern is are we satisfying the students hunger to learn about both packages? do we just give user a FF mentor and say you are good to go? or do we assign another mentor for the kernel? if so how long for each?
[17:17] <charlie-tca> We are not limiting them to only work with the mentor, are we?
[17:17] <pedro_> no we are not, in fact we're teaching the students to work with the 'whole' bugsquad
[17:17] <pedro_> that's why we have this channel to begin
[17:18] <ddecator> they can have one official mentor to teach them the basics, but they can talk to others about other packages
[17:18] <charlie-tca> Can't he learn to triage the firefox bugs, then when he knows how to triage, he can also triage kernel bugs. He should not need a mentor for each package.
[17:18] <ddecator> i had pedro_ as my mentor and learned firefox triage ;)
[17:18] <pedro_> yeah i don't think that's a problem, really
[17:19] <vish> charlie-tca: kernel is quite a different workflow actually
[17:19]  * micahg talked to vish about that the other day
[17:19] <charlie-tca> Then maybe kernel needs it own mentor program?
[17:19] <hggdh> not really
[17:20] <hggdh> perhaps as specialisation, but we are getting them to understand triaging *in general*
[17:20] <micahg> each of us have our specialties, we can drive the mentees to the specialists when specialized questions arise
[17:20] <pedro_> well the student can contact the kernel triager and ask him for the workflow used there and learn both ie: firefox and kernel
[17:20] <pedro_> is just a matter of communication here
[17:20] <ddecator> micahg: +1
[17:20] <vish> right
[17:20] <hggdh> pedro_, micahg +1
[17:21] <vish> oh thats clears that up as well i suppose ;)
[17:21] <charlie-tca> Then there is no need to switch mentors
[17:21] <pedro_> there's no policy on "just talk to your mentor or a 1000 kittens are going to die"
[17:21] <micahg> that's a lot of kittens
[17:21] <micahg> no one can be that heartless :)
[17:21] <charlie-tca> +1
[17:21] <pedro_> oh 999 then ;-)
[17:22] <ddecator> you already killed one? :(
[17:22] <vish> nah , but assigning a FF mentor and the student would be overburdening a kernel mentor who already has a few students , while the FF mentor [ micahg ] gets lazy ;p
[17:22] <pedro_> oops
[17:22]  * micahg goes off to do real work :P
[17:22] <charlie-tca> There are more than just the mentors that can answer questions and help the student
[17:22] <pedro_> vish, well then we need to find some more mentors for the kernel :-)
[17:22] <vish> ;)
[17:23] <pedro_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/Students <- that's the current list of students
[17:23] <ddecator> vish: well thats why we ask where he wants to start. if he wants to do mostly kernel work, then he should have a kernel mentor from the start. but if that's not something he plans to do for a while, then it's all good :)
[17:23] <charlie-tca> I triage XFCE bugs. Am I the only person that can answer questions about xfce?
[17:23] <ddecator> valid point
[17:23] <micahg> charlie-tca: depends on how speciialized the bug process is for those packages
[17:23] <vish> pedro_: then i'm gonna purge the students who are not there on that wiki, sound good?
[17:24] <vish> qense has a lot of students and I dont see any of them around ;p
[17:24] <pedro_> vish, on the Mentors page rather, there we have the list of mentors + students
[17:24] <pedro_> just want to point that there's a few students waiting for being mentored
[17:24] <charlie-tca> pedro_: I verified most of the student page
[17:24] <vish> pedro_: yup , keeping in mind the new students we assigned
[17:24] <pedro_> so if you have some time and room to take one, please do so
[17:25] <ddecator> to take one? aren't we being assigned students? :p
[17:25] <pedro_> ddecator, yes, but you're welcome to say ' i want to work with this fellow!'
[17:26] <pedro_> just a reminder to our lovely bugsquad ;-)
[17:26] <charlie-tca> zus has a part-time connection and will be in and out. It will be appreciated if anyone around when he can get online helps him out
[17:26] <ddecator> pedro_: good to know, i'll take a look once i know what my available times will be
[17:26] <ddecator> charlie-tca: i help him quite a bit when he's on
[17:26] <pedro_> awesome!, let's just be proactive about this
[17:26] <pedro_> we always need more people to help us
[17:27] <ddecator> pedro_: so going back to my question that never got a response, once i know my available times should i just change the wiki or let you admins know as well?
[17:27] <charlie-tca> he really wants to learn, but when he goes offline, it could be three weeks
[17:27] <ddecator> yah...his time is kind of unpredictable too, haha
[17:27] <ddecator> charlie-tca: i can take him
[17:28] <charlie-tca> i took him just because of the time thing
[17:28] <pedro_> ddecator, changing the wiki is enough :-)
[17:28] <ddecator> pedro_: thanks :)
[17:28] <hggdh> ddecator: my view is you can update your availability yourself
[17:28] <micahg> we all get notified of wiki changes, right?
[17:28] <ddecator> charlie-tca: or that works too :)
[17:28] <ddecator> hggdh: right, just didn't know if you guys wanted to be updated on changes like that
[17:28] <pedro_> i guess so, hggdh are we subscribed to all those pages right?
[17:28] <pedro_> BugSquad/* i mean
[17:29] <vish> micahg: well , mentors subscribing to the page would be good , but when student is assigned the mentor is notified as well
[17:29] <hggdh> as far as I can see yes -- BugSquad/.* is subscribed
[17:29] <charlie-tca> I believe we are, pedro_ . I got an update from wiki updates today
[17:29] <pedro_> awesome, so we're going to be notified by email in the bugsquad list too ddecator
[17:29] <ddecator> good, i'll just leave a comment when i make the change then :)
[17:29] <pedro_> \o/
[17:29] <pedro_> anything else on the mentoring?
[17:30] <hggdh> it is always good to comment on a wiki change
[17:30] <vish> thats weird i dint receive mail
[17:30] <charlie-tca> you made the change, too
[17:30] <vish> mailman hates me :(
[17:30] <pedro_> :-(
[17:30] <ddecator> hggdh: i always try to
[17:31] <charlie-tca> vish: The comment on the change is: Dave walker hasnt reported to greg-g in a while
[17:31] <hggdh> ddecator: I know, this is why I did not target you on my reply ;-)
[17:31] <vish> charlie-tca: cool! :)
[17:31] <hggdh> Dave Walker? Daviey?
[17:32] <vish> hggdh: nah , another Dave ;)
[17:32] <hggdh> oh, OK
[17:32] <pedro_> heh
[17:32]  * hggdh begs pardon
[17:32] <vish> hggdh: https://edge.launchpad.net/~dogatemycomputer
[17:32] <vish> thats the Dave^
[17:32] <hggdh> oh, I remember him
[17:33] <ddecator> alright, i have to go take a final, bbl
[17:33] <pedro_> haha nice name
[17:33] <vish> :p
[17:33] <pedro_> ok any other agenda item for the meeting?
[17:34] <yofel> meeting time? or are we going to leave it?
[17:34] <vish> yofel: meeting in progress ;)
[17:35] <vish> sloooow progresssss
[17:35] <yofel> vish: no, are we going to put it on another date? or are we going to leave it on tuesday 16:00 UTC
[17:35] <vish> oh that!
[17:35] <pedro_> didn't we created a poll for that?
[17:35]  * vish likes this time schedule
[17:36] <pedro_> or was it for the qa meeting on wednesdays?
[17:36] <charlie-tca> +1 vish
[17:36] <yofel> well, there was http://www.when2meet.com/?30657-7nGss
[17:37] <yofel> which ended with wednesday 20:00 UTC for the most
[17:37] <hggdh> that's QA
[17:38] <yofel> hggdh: so they use that time now?
[17:38] <hggdh> yofel: every other week
[17:39] <hggdh> one week at 1700Z, next at 2000Z
[17:39] <yofel> ah, then we're back where we started :/
[17:39] <hggdh> not really. The whole point is to try to allow different TZs to participate
[17:39] <hggdh> but this is OT here
[17:40] <pedro_> nono
[17:40] <pedro_> they are 1700 and 1900 UTC
[17:41] <pedro_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2010-June/001049.html
[17:41] <hggdh> oops
[17:41]  * hggdh stands corrected
[17:41] <hggdh> as usual :-)
[17:41] <yofel> I'm not exactly against the current time, but right now I miss about half of the meeting as I don't get home before ~16:15UTC
[17:42] <hggdh> we could do the same, if there is interest. I am all in favour
[17:42] <pedro_> shall we try 2000 UTC for the next meeting?
[17:42] <hggdh> +1
[17:42] <vish> 20:00 is too late :(
[17:42]  * micahg has no objection
[17:42] <hggdh> 1900?
[17:42] <hggdh> vish?
[17:42] <yofel> erm, 1900 was qa...
[17:42] <yofel> 1800?
[17:42] <vish> what is the current time in UTC?
[17:42] <pedro_> 18? ;-)
[17:42] <yofel> @now
[17:43] <vish> ah then 19 is fine ;p
[17:43] <pedro_> 16:42
[17:43] <charlie-tca> should be 16:43 NOW
[17:43] <yofel> it is
[17:43] <vish> oh , then 17 is fine :)
[17:43] <xteejx> its 17:43 now UTC I think
[17:43] <xteejx> 16:43 sorry
[17:43] <pedro_> ok so... 17?
[17:44] <xteejx> UK is GMT+1 at the mo :)
[17:44] <vish>  <ubottu> Current time in Etc/UTC: June 08 2010, 16:43:52
[17:44] <charlie-tca> it is 16:43 UTC
[17:44] <xteejx> 16:44:28 :P
[17:44] <hggdh> xteejx: we are talking about UTC, *not* GMT ;-)
[17:44]  * micahg wonders if we can program all of these clocks to do bug triage :P
[17:44] <xteejx> hggdh, I know i know, I corercted myself ;)
[17:44] <pedro_> haha ok let's follow on the mailing list
[17:45] <xteejx> *corrected.... again haha
[17:45] <vish> well yofel's problem is the meeting starting at 16:00 , and he misses half hr , so 17 works for yofel right?
[17:45]  * hggdh wonders about a bot that prints the hour (UTC) every 30 min
[17:45] <pedro_> 1700 we might collide with the QA meeting at some point
[17:45] <xteejx> What's the meeting?
[17:45] <vish> oh yeah :s
[17:45] <yofel> true, so 18? That shouldn't be too late vish
[17:45] <vish> pedro_: oh , well , what ever the team decides ;)
[17:45] <charlie-tca> qa is going to 17 and 19, right? Can we do 16 and 18 ?
[17:46] <pedro_> 16 works pretty fine for me :-)
[17:47] <xteejx> what meeting are we talking about guys I joined halfway thru
[17:47] <pedro_> xteejx, bugsquad meeting times
[17:47] <xteejx> oh right :)
[17:47] <vish> well , we can have it at 17 regularly and when QA clashes , we can have at 16 for those days..
[17:47] <vish> or eitherway..
[17:48] <xteejx> what about 17, 16, 17, 16 UTC every other week in case some can't make it as late/early?
[17:48] <pedro_> sure, we just need to announce it earlier
[17:48] <pedro_> well it's a monthly meeting
[17:49] <pedro_> vish, i like your idea
[17:49] <xteejx> people finish work here at 16 UTC (17 GMT) so just thinking we may end up a few short form the UK
[17:49] <pedro_> any objection to vish proposal ?
[17:49] <xteejx> so 17 is good here
[17:50] <pedro_> so 1800 when the QA meeting clashes
[17:50] <yofel> that sounds good
[17:50] <pedro_> vish? that sounds good to you?
[17:50] <xteejx> good here...not that the UK  matters lol ;)
[17:50] <vish> pedro_: you meant 18 or 16 ? :)
[17:50] <vish> [22:19] <pedro_> so 1800 when the QA meeting clashes
[17:50] <pedro_> vish, 18 when the QA meeting clashes ours
[17:51] <pedro_> and the normal one at 17
[17:51] <vish> pedro_: ah , ok. wfm
[17:51] <pedro_> any objections to that?
[17:51] <xteejx> none here
[17:51] <yofel> no
[17:51] <pedro_> charlie-tca, hggdh, yofel, micahg , ddecator?
[17:51] <charlie-tca> none
[17:51] <hggdh> none
[17:51] <micahg> none
[17:52] <vish> 00
[17:52] <pedro_> ok great, i'll send it to the mailing list then
[17:52] <pedro_> any other topics for the meeting?
[17:52] <xteejx> I'll shut up and go back to hugday-ing :P
[17:52] <xteejx> pedro_: Can i suggest something?
[17:52] <charlie-tca> We aren't going to clash with wednesday qa meetings, ever
[17:52] <pedro_> xteejx, go for it
[17:53] <micahg> hugday, today?
[17:53] <xteejx> Is there any chance we can get an update on the scripts for firefox-lp-improvements, and in regards to the meeting explain to members about it, and effective reply techniques instead of "more info pls"
[17:53] <pedro_> charlie-tca, did you check it already?
[17:53] <xteejx> micahg: No I'm starting early
[17:53] <charlie-tca> this is tuesday
[17:53] <micahg> @today
[17:53] <charlie-tca> qa meets on wednesday
[17:53] <vish> oh , we were breaking our heads for nothing then :D
[17:53] <xteejx> D'oh
[17:54] <pedro_> blah you guys...
[17:54] <pedro_> vish is all your fault
[17:54] <vish> lmao!
[17:54] <vish> pedro_: hei! it wasnt me ;p
[17:54]  * micahg suggests getting on the fridge calendar
[17:54] <xteejx> yes it was I saw you lol
[17:54] <pedro_> haha good one
[17:54] <charlie-tca> lol
[17:54] <xteejx> go and sit on the naughty step!
[17:55] <xteejx> lol
[17:55] <yofel> that was from the original poll that suggested wednesday, we somehow mixed that up...
[17:55] <hggdh> I *thought* today was Wed, this is why I did not raise it
[17:55] <pedro_> thought so too
[17:55] <pedro_> i blame vish
[17:55]  * pedro_ runs
[17:55]  * charlie-tca back to hiding now
[17:55]  * yofel takes half the blame
[17:55] <yofel> as I brought it up
[17:55] <hggdh> this is another reason why myself and calendars don't go too well together
[17:55] <xteejx> lol crazy people :)
[17:55] <vish> finally! ;p
[17:55]  * micahg wonders why we'd be meeting on a Wed
[17:55] <pedro_> let's share it :-P
[17:56] <xteejx> pedro_: Anything on my suggestion? :)
[17:56] <pedro_> you're all so crazy folks
[17:56] <yofel> so tuesday 17UTC?
[17:56] <vish> yup
[17:56] <pedro_> xteejx, let's talk to bdmurray about it when he's available, he's maintaining that project
[17:56] <xteejx> Have to be crazy to work alongside you lot ;) hehe
[17:57] <xteejx> Cool, I meant telling the BugSquad about it and how to write replies to bugs effectively instead of a generic "more info please"
[17:57] <charlie-tca> still second TUESDAY of the month?
[17:57] <xteejx> it IS the 2nd Tuesday of the month....its the 8th today :S
[17:57] <pedro_> charlie-tca, that's correct
[17:58] <charlie-tca> thank you
[17:58] <micahg> pedro_: are you acting bugmaster ATM?
[17:58] <hggdh> guess so :-)
[17:59] <pedro_> micahg, oh no no, i'm just helping bdmurray with some tasks but he's still the bugmaster :-P
[17:59] <vish> puppet-master ;p
[17:59] <pedro_> hahaha
[17:59]  * xteejx maybe isn't shouting loud enough
[17:59] <hggdh> in absentia, but still THE bugmeister
[17:59] <xteejx> Can you hear me now???  *echo*........ :P
[17:59] <vish> xteejx: hmm?
[18:00] <micahg> hence the word acting as in not official :)
[18:00]  * bdmurray looks around
[18:00] <hggdh> heh. Hi Brian, we were talking about you :-)
[18:00] <pedro_> ok do we have any other topics?
[18:00] <xteejx> vish: About the BSQ meeting (didnt think BS was appropriate) .... i.e. getting new triagers to write more effective replies
[18:01] <vish> xteejx: we already have reply templates
[18:01] <xteejx> they're not being fully utilised :(
[18:01] <xteejx> esp. by newer triagers
[18:01] <pedro_> xteejx, ask to the triager to use them :-P
[18:01] <vish> xteejx: why new templates? they just need to be used , and to be pointed out ;)
[18:01] <xteejx> of course...I was thinking maybe we could bring that up in the meeting?
[18:01] <bdmurray> it'd be best if they were in the xml file used by greasemonkey and not the wiki
[18:02] <Flare183> And where is this new template at?
[18:02] <vish> Flare183: not new , but existing replies : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[18:02] <micahg> bdmurray: BTW, are tags supposed to work in ff-lp-improvements?
[18:02] <Flare183> Ah, alright
[18:03] <xteejx> I have wondered about the lp_button_tags thing...what is it?
[18:03] <bdmurray> micahg: no, those are broken due to launchpad requiring a referer...
[18:03] <micahg> bdmurray: ah, ok
[18:04] <bdmurray> its bug 564978
[18:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 564978 in launchpad-gm-scripts "lp_buttontags is broken on edge (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/564978
[18:04] <xteejx> ahhhh :)
[18:04] <micahg> I guess it's good to have the list though as autocomplete in the tags box works
[18:06] <pedro_> Folks, anything else for the meeting?
[18:06] <pedro_> going once
[18:06] <pedro_> twice
[18:07] <xteejx> only my one if needed otherwise nothing else
[18:07] <pedro_> alright, thanks everybody for attending!
[18:07] <pedro_> btw i've been working on revamping the bugsquad landing page on the wiki
[18:08] <pedro_> so if you have some time to review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PedroVillavicencio/bugsquad
[18:08] <pedro_> feedback is more than welcome ;-)
[18:10] <vish> pedro_: "Setting the priority of bugs reports." , maybe we can move/remove it , since bugsquad cant really do that. Also there was a question about that a couple of days ago
[18:11] <vish> or add exception in the brackets
[18:11] <pedro_> vish, what about putting a (BugControl only) and a link to it?
[18:11] <vish> :)
[18:11] <pedro_> ;-)
[18:12] <xteejx> pedro_: "When joining the Bug Squad, please keep up-to-date with bug management policies. Changes are always announced on the mailing list. " maybe we could add "for futher information please check the wiki form time to time or check with other members on irc.freenode.net at #ubuntu-bugs" ?
[18:12] <pedro_> xteejx, sounds good
[18:13] <pedro_> i'm off for lunch, ill be back later
[18:13] <vish> pedro_: is signing the Code of Conduct needed for Bugsquad?
[18:13] <vish> later ;)
[18:13] <pedro_> feel free to edit the page, we can move it later
[18:13] <xteejx> vish: It is now, has been for 5-6 months I think
[18:13]  * pedro_ -> lunch
[18:14] <vish> xteejx: it was used considered then it wasnt.  i'm a bit confused bout that ;)
[18:14] <xteejx> vish: You and me both lol :)
[18:20] <bdmurray> Its been required since about January.
[18:21] <xteejx> thought so :)
[18:21] <vish> bdmurray: yeah , i thought so too , that seemed the point of the whole purge.. someone confused me after that :s
[18:22] <xteejx> vish: Wasn't me :p
[18:23] <vish> heh
[18:55] <ddecator> pedro_: that time works for me (even though it looks like it was already decided on :p)
[18:58] <jcastro> pedro_: If I want to file a bug on the status.qa.ubuntu.com pages I file it against ...?
[19:07] <vish> issyl0: hi. a while ago you had applied for bug squad mentor , are you still looking for a mentor?
[19:08] <vish> if you are we can assign you a mentor : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[19:09] <pedro_> jcastro, under ubuntu-qa-website
[19:26] <vish> hmm , mrooney is active on lp , I'm just gonna approve hima nd he can report back if he doesnt want to mentor ;p
[19:52] <vish> hehe, that was a quick reply ;)
[20:06] <hggdh> yeah, so now we know the does not want it
[20:06] <hggdh> did not reply to email, but acted quickly when you added him in
[20:13] <vish> hggdh: the main catch was "we will be assigning students soon" ;p
[20:16] <hggdh> vish: nothing like incentives ;-)
[21:10] <marti1125> hello :D
[21:12] <xteejx> Hi marti1125
[21:15] <xteejx> marti1125: Did you resend your Bug Squad application with your Launchpad ID?
[21:16] <marti1125> i am new in team BugSquad, https://launchpad.net/~marti1003-deactivatedaccount
[21:18] <xteejx> mart1125: Your account has also been deactivated
[21:18] <marti1125> sorry
[21:18] <marti1125> how activate
[21:18] <xteejx> speak to the guys at #launchpad they should be able to sort it out for you :)
[21:19] <marti1125> thank you
[21:19] <xteejx> No problem :)
[21:20] <BlackZ> hey xteejx ;)
[21:21] <marti1125> but i am member BugSquad
[21:22] <BlackZ> marti1125: so you have chosen the ID ~marti1003-deactivatedaccount
[21:22] <BlackZ> it isn't deactivated :)
[21:22] <BlackZ> (I guess)
[21:22] <xteejx> BlackZ: Very doubtful, prob *was* a deactivated account but logged into recently, maybe the name doesn't change
[21:23] <BlackZ> xteejx: he can change the name
[21:23] <xteejx> BlackZ: Hi by the way, here I am in my normal buggy world not motu haha :)
[21:24] <BlackZ> xteejx: maybe it's a launchpad bug
[21:24] <xteejx> :S
[21:24] <xteejx> Oh hang on it's going to the page now, (it was bitching before)
[21:24] <xteejx> marti1125: You are already a BugSquad member
[21:25] <hggdh> xteejx: the account is active, I added it in
[21:25] <BlackZ> xteejx: I said that
[21:25] <BlackZ> so, probably that's his launchpad ID
[21:25] <hggdh> it's just the nick ;-)
[21:25] <BlackZ> :)
[21:25] <marti1125> heheh, in me account, i edit me profile name: marti1003-deactivatedaccount, i change name :D
[21:25] <xteejx> D'ohhhhhhhhh
[21:25] <marti1125> https://launchpad.net/~marti1125
[21:25] <xteejx> Blonde moment guys :D
[21:25] <hggdh> so, marti1125, what can we do for you?
[21:26] <BlackZ> marti1125: welcome aboard
[21:26] <marti1125> thanks :D
[21:27] <xteejx> marti1125: Welcome to the Team :D
[21:27] <marti1125> :D
[21:27] <xteejx> marti1125: As hggdh said, how can we help?
[21:27] <BlackZ> I think I solved his question in #launchpad
[21:28] <marti1125> i join 5 A Day Participants
[21:28] <xteejx> marti1125: Cool
[21:28] <BlackZ> marti1125: happy triaging! if you have any doubt or you want to talk with a ubuntu bug control member ask!
[21:29] <BlackZ> s/a/an
[21:29] <BlackZ> marti1125: that's good :)
[21:29] <marti1125> :D
[21:29] <xteejx> marti1125: If no-ones around when you need a question answered or if you don't get a reply within say 20 minutes, post it on the BugSquad mailing list :)
[21:32] <marti1125> what do you make?  5-a-day-ing
[21:33] <xteejx> marti1125: What do you mean?
[21:34] <marti1125> what is Triage?
[21:35] <xteejx> marti1125: Have you read the BugSquad wiki page?
[21:35] <marti1125> ok
[21:35] <xteejx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[21:35] <xteejx> I thought that was one of the requirements for entry to the BugSquad???
[21:36] <xteejx> hggdh: ^
[21:36] <hggdh> xteejx: no, it is not a requirement, but strongly encouraged
[21:36] <xteejx> ah right - bit worrying lol
[21:37] <hggdh> marti1125: you really should read the page xteejx gave you.
[21:38] <marti1125> i read about bugsquad
[21:39] <BlackZ> marti1125: if you join a team it's supposed to know what the team does, isn't it?
[21:41] <marti1125> yes but i read about BugSquad but i didnt read about Triage, i start now
[21:52] <DrKenobi> Hi! I'm new here. Need some help. I think this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/393121 it's not a proper bug, I think it'a a support request. Someone help me please!
[21:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 393121 in ubuntu "Canon pixma MP190 support (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[21:56] <greg-g> DrKenobi: that appears to be a valid bug, "Choosing the bundled MP180 ubuntu driver allows the printer to print but scanner will not function."
[22:08] <xteejx> the definition of Triage and what it covers is in the link I gave earlier https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad - it's like the first thing on it, 2nd paragraph...