[00:00] <maco> mint uses medibuntu's repos. there's someone who complained to mint devs about the presence of "hotbabe" in its repos. hotbabe was removed from debian & ubuntu years ago for being inappropriate / stupid. mint devs ignored
[00:00] <rww> would be nice if Mint users used
[00:00] <rww> Mint's own support, instead of #ubuntu
[00:01] <czajkowski> maco: saw the thread on linuxchic about that
[00:01] <rww> ditto Backtrack users
[00:01] <czajkowski> maco: but as was pointed out, free software is free choice, people don't have to install it if they don't want to
[00:01] <maco> czajkowski: huh? i dont recall seeing that on the linuxchix list. which list and when?
[00:01] <czajkowski> hmm
[00:02] <JanC> 'hotbabe' actually allows you to use other (less offensive) themes, but I don't know if any got made/packaged ever...
[00:03] <czajkowski> maco: might have been techtalk mailing list
[00:03] <maco> so we could make like... hot salsa theme? and make it get boilier?
[00:03] <maco> er
[00:03] <maco> hot chili :P
[00:04] <JanC> you could just use about any set of images
[00:04] <JanC> IIRC
[00:05] <czajkowski> Pendulum: froodie and I both knew paddy well, having both being involved in the SU, he got staomach cancer a few weeks ago but it'd spread too far :(
[00:05] <czajkowski> bah
[00:13] <akgraner> AlanBell, rww ping
[00:14] <akgraner> will you all be available tomorrow morning?
[00:14] <akgraner> I'll be setting up the Condorcet stuff
[00:14] <akgraner> :-)
[00:19] <rww> akgraner: I'm available all day tomorrow
[00:19] <rww> and the rest of today, at that
[00:22] <akgraner> rww, how early will you be online tomorrow?
[00:22] <akgraner> I won't be on much longer tonight
[00:23] <rww> akgraner: whenever you want, my sleep cycle is flexible
[00:23] <akgraner> rww, how does 10am your time sound?
[00:23] <rww> akgraner: works for me
[00:24] <akgraner> AlanBell, is that too late for you?  10am Pacific/1pm Eastern
[00:24] <akgraner> rww
[00:24] <akgraner> rww, let me get you a link to read over :-)
[00:25] <rww> AlanBell: that's 6pm your time, to save you the math
[00:25] <akgraner> hehe
[00:26] <akgraner> rww, here is the link to the site - http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/civs/faq.html
[00:33] <rww> oh good. I couldn't find it when I searched; I can't spell "Condorcet" >.>
[00:36] <pleia2> akgraner gave us all lessons on how to say it at UDS (silent "t"? who knew! :))
[00:37] <akgraner> scott richie taught me how to say it - I guess it's French :-)
[00:37] <maco> pleia2: wait really?
[00:37] <maco> i say it like con-door-sit
[00:37] <akgraner> he giggled when I said CON DOOR SIT
[00:38] <pleia2> it's more like con-door-say, right?
[00:38] <akgraner> nods
[00:38] <rww> I spell it Concordet in my head, hence aforementioned problems
[00:39] <akgraner> I still say it more like CON DER SAY - but oh well - I warned people early on - I can redneck anything in 5 mins or less :-)
[00:40] <pleia2> lol
[00:40]  * rww finishes reading FAQ
[00:40] <akgraner> so I am trying out Liferea for RSS Feeds
[00:41] <akgraner> it's seems to be meeting all my needs
[00:41]  * elly loves snownews
[00:41] <maco> pleia2: wanna help me write a Redneck interpreter for Amber that turns redneck sentences into python?  we can use lex & yacc
[00:42] <rww> I like Liferea. LucidFox made an indicator applet thing for it, too :)
[00:42] <pleia2> maco: hahaha
[00:42] <pleia2> that would be the best
[00:43] <maco> instead of self.foo use kin.foo
[00:43] <maco> or hehehe remembering I Love Lucy
[00:44] <maco> "cousin foo"
[00:44] <maco> she has a cousin whose name i forget, and when he visits, he tells ricky that back home they call everybody cousin
[00:45] <akgraner> hehe
[00:45] <akgraner> :-)
[01:24] <nigelb> Pendulum: official dates?
[01:34] <Pendulum> nigelb: yes from robbiew
[01:35] <nigelb> Pendulum: oh. I have to pace up my passport renewal thing.  I'm currently stuck on something, looks like I have to apply pressure there
[01:45] <akgraner> woo hoo UDS on my b-day!
[01:47] <JanC> akgraner: next UDS got announced already?
[01:48] <nigelb> akgraner: wow! Yay!
[01:50] <akgraner> let's hope everything goes according to the 10.10.10 plan :-)
[01:50] <elky> oh, where?
[01:50] <akgraner> hmm that I don't know
[01:50] <elky> akgraner, wait... your birthday is when?
[01:50] <nigelb> I think some time in oct
[01:50] <akgraner> Oct 29 :-)
[01:50] <elky> akgraner, 31st here
[01:50] <elky> scorpiooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOO!
[01:51] <elky> This explains plenty.
[01:51] <akgraner> oh that explains so much ;-P
[01:51] <akgraner> lol
[01:52] <rww> October 14th here, so I'm a Libra. This apparently makes me balanced or something.
[01:52] <rww> (go go October)
[01:52] <akgraner> w00t w00t!
[01:52] <akgraner> anyone using evolution?
[01:52] <nigelb> yes!
[01:52] <akgraner> I am thinking about trying it out - normally I just delete it
[01:53]  * rww snuggles mutt
[01:53] <elky> so long as you don't need to swap smtp servers regularly, it's pretty ok
[01:53] <akgraner> but I am thinking I need the calendar reminders popping up for me and stuff
[01:53] <nigelb> akgraner: its better with firefox then
[01:53] <nigelb> evolution calender is clunky
[01:54] <akgraner> well I get the reminders on my phone
[01:54] <akgraner> but when I am at home - I usually have my cell phone turned off :-/
[01:55] <nigelb> akgraner: oh, wait, I meant thunderbird
[01:55] <akgraner> no worries :-)
[01:56] <akgraner> brb gotta work on some wikis :-)
[06:51] <rww> AlanBell: do you have scrollback from earlier when akgraner and I were talking about voting stuff?
[07:12] <AlanBell> yes I have
[07:12] <AlanBell> 6pm ish
[07:13] <AlanBell> go for it, I may or may not be about by then but don't wait for me
[07:25] <d_molish> h
[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[14:24] <akgraner> svaksha, ping
[14:24] <akgraner> I have a mailing list question :-)
[14:24] <czajkowski> akgraner: morning
[14:24] <akgraner> czajkowski, hey you!
[14:25] <akgraner> banging my head on the keyboard this morning - I need to tighten the spam filter on a mailing list   - wanted to find out what we have ubuntu women set at
[14:25] <czajkowski> akgraner: spam on which list?
[14:26] <akgraner> -news-team
[14:26] <czajkowski> is it on launchpad or mail man?
[14:26] <akgraner> -news is fully moderated
[14:26] <akgraner> mailman
[14:27] <czajkowski> ah not so bad so
[14:29] <akgraner> no but enough to where I am getting 3-5 emails a day about fixing it
[14:30] <akgraner> which is more than the amount of spam
[14:30] <akgraner> grrrr
[14:30] <czajkowski> that's not soo bad :)
[14:31] <akgraner> well no - but add it to all the other and well you get the idea - :-/  was just wanting to tighten it a bit
[15:38] <JanC> akgraner: is that spam from subscribed people?
[16:09] <akgraner> JanC, doesn't look like I checked that 1st
[16:09] <akgraner> which is what makes it weird
[16:10] <JanC> are non-listmembers allowed to mail to that list?
[16:11] <akgraner> not supposed to be so I am going back through it all again
[16:11] <JanC> check if there are any exceptions defined
[16:11] <akgraner> k
[16:12] <JanC> e.g. it's possible to accept all mails coming from a certain domain
[17:01] <svaksha> akgraner: hi. a spammer is spoofing the list email to spam the list, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2010-June/001087.html
[17:01] <akgraner> yep
[17:11] <JanC> so, somehow the list address is whitelisted / subscribed?
[17:15] <svaksha> JanC: i told her that if they use a yahoo/gmail id you cannot tell they are a spammer, but usually they run their own domains. so checking each domain for the spammy subscriber may be the only way.
[17:16] <JanC> but why should anybody be allowed to use the list address for sending mail?
[17:18] <svaksha> JanC: they shouldnt. a spammer does not respect such niceties unfortunately.
[17:19] <JanC> well, doesn't blacklisting the list address work then?  or are they also using other addresses?
[17:19] <JanC> oh, and it might be useful to restrict access to the subscriber list in mailman
[17:21] <svaksha> JanC: she would need to know _who_ it is first
[17:21] <svaksha> JanC: the list is already restricted to the admin only
[17:21] <JanC> why would you need to know that?
[17:22] <svaksha> if it werent, they would gt individual spam and would not complain that its coming from the list
[17:22] <svaksha> JanC: need to knowwhat?
 JanC: she would need to know _who_ it is first
[17:25] <svaksha> that was in reply to 8:16 < JanC> but why should anybody be allowed to use the list address for sending mail?
[17:26] <svaksha> if a list subscriber is spamming the list she would have to search who it is
[17:26] <svaksha> s/search/identify
[17:30] <JanC> I thought they were not subscribed to the list?
[17:37] <svaksha> akgraner said the subscribers are only allowed to post, so if they are not sub'd to the list why is it hitting the archives?
[17:40] <akgraner> JanC they are supposed to be subscribed to post to the list  - without moderation
[17:41] <akgraner> so i need to find my lovely spammer :-)
[17:43] <JanC> but you said you checked and they weren't subscribed?
[17:43] <JanC> so they probably subscribe and unsubscribe again?
[17:44] <akgraner> I don't know I just have to look through everything which I can't do right this sec  - so as soon as I figure it out - I'll let you know :-)
[17:44] <akgraner> I appreciate all the suggestions though
[17:44] <akgraner> I thought it would be a quick fix - I'm thinking I may need to block some key words
[17:51] <svaksha> JanC: they are subscribed. in the archives _some_ of the spam is a reply to the mails hitting the list. i'd guess they are using bots which automate the process of changing the smtp headers to spoof the list emailid to avoid discovery, hence removal from the list.
[17:52] <svaksha> if its a non-subscriber MM will not store replies in a threaded fashion
[19:21] <maco> svaksha: you can reply to lists using gmane's web interface...
[19:22] <maco> if your from address is one thats not blocked, it'll go through
[19:22] <maco> so they dont actually have to be subscribed
[19:24] <JanC> it should be easy to see if that's the case from the mail headers
[19:31] <svaksha> maco: yes, but i dont know the settings for -news list.
[20:48] <akgraner> -news is fully moderated
[20:48] <akgraner> -news-team is not
[21:04] <maco> wrong chan
[21:57] <rww> akgraner: ack! my phone apparently tells me about highlights and not PMs for some reason >.>\
[22:01] <akgraner> no worries - give me just a few :-)  and we'll work on stuff
[22:01] <akgraner> :-)
[22:03]  * rww pokes at forwarder configuration in the meantime
[22:10] <rww> oh, it's only set to match against public channels. duh, rww >.>