[00:09] <abstrakt> what's the wiki page about turning regular ubuntu into ubuntu studio?
[00:20] <holstein> !vanilla
[00:20] <holstein> abstrakt: ^^
[00:22] <abstrakt> holstein, any idea how to get my wireless driver working while under -rt ?
[00:22] <holstein> thats a good question
[00:22] <abstrakt> heh, yeah it is
[00:22] <holstein> i would probably look into adding it as a module i guess
[00:22] <abstrakt> driver manager says: "This driver is activated but not in use"
[00:23] <holstein> thats going to be challenging to find help with that
[00:23] <abstrakt> holstein, that's just it though i added it already
[00:23] <abstrakt> through the "Hardware Drivers" "Control Panel"
[00:23] <abstrakt> System -> Administration -> Hardware drivers
[00:23] <abstrakt> works in regular kernel but not in -rt
[00:23] <holstein> thats true
[00:23] <holstein> that should be the same i suppose
[00:24] <abstrakt> what should be the same as what?
[00:24] <holstein> as if you built a module into some other kernel
[00:24] <holstein> LIKE adding it to the gerneric kernel is the same as installing the restricted driver
[00:24] <holstein> maybe?
[00:24] <holstein> maybe not...
[00:25] <abstrakt> sorry i don't quite follow
[00:25]  * holstein just thinking outloud
[00:25] <holstein> SAY
[00:25] <holstein> you had the generic kernel
[00:25] <holstein> back in the day
[00:25] <holstein> about 3 years ago
[00:25] <abstrakt> still have it
[00:25] <abstrakt> oh
[00:25] <abstrakt> the royal "you" :)
[00:25] <holstein> and you had a wireless adapter
[00:25] <holstein> yeah :)
[00:26] <holstein> and the kernel didnt support it
[00:26] <holstein> you could build your own kernel
[00:26] <holstein> or add it as a module
[00:26] <holstein> AFAIK
[00:26] <holstein> im not sure if i have the terminology corret
[00:26] <abstrakt> um, that's, basically right
[00:26] <holstein> i never got any of that to work for me back in the day ;)
[00:26] <holstein> ANYWAYS
[00:27] <abstrakt> i've compiled kernels before
[00:27] <holstein> we are assuming that adding the 'restricted driver' is the same process
[00:27] <holstein> as adding a module to the generic kernel
[00:27] <abstrakt> uh, yeah it's gotta be a module based system afaik
[00:27] <holstein> BUT maybe its not
[00:27] <abstrakt> cuz it's not distributed with the kernel
[00:27] <abstrakt> cuz of the licensing
[00:27] <abstrakt> so it has to be a module
[00:27] <holstein> i dont know
[00:27] <holstein> have you tried
[00:27] <holstein> removing the driver
[00:28] <abstrakt> yup
[00:28] <holstein> and installing it while running RT?
[00:28] <holstein> hmmmm
[00:28] <abstrakt> i originally installed while running -rt
[00:28] <abstrakt> and it said "ok now you need to reboot"
[00:28] <abstrakt> and i said "ok... poke"
[00:28] <abstrakt> and it rebooted
[00:28] <abstrakt> and i got a fancy new black screen
[00:28] <holstein> and no love
[00:28] <abstrakt> and it didn't go any farther
[00:29] <abstrakt> BIOS loaded, but instead of grub a single blinking cursor and beepy keys
[00:29] <holstein> i got nothin...
[00:29] <holstein> let me see if my friend is online
[00:29] <abstrakt> yeh me neither
[00:29] <abstrakt> this has happened with 10.04 and 9.10
[00:29] <abstrakt> 64 bit
[00:29] <abstrakt> both
[00:29] <abstrakt> both, are/were 64 bit
[00:30] <abstrakt> but 64 def provides a noticeable increase in latency performance
[00:30] <abstrakt> so i'd really like to use 64 bit if possible, but, don't really wanna go without network
[00:30] <abstrakt> don't wanna have to reboot just to get network
[00:30] <holstein> my friend is away
[00:30] <holstein> BUT i sent him a PM
[00:30] <abstrakt> oh well
[00:30] <abstrakt> k
[00:30] <holstein> if he responds i'll let you know
[00:31] <abstrakt> i think this isn't an issue on 32 bit honestly :/
[00:31] <holstein> hes a kernel dev
[00:31] <abstrakt> oh, wow, ok
[00:31] <holstein> and i think he would know who to talk to
[00:31] <holstein> at least
[00:31] <holstein> if he dosnt have time for us
[00:31] <abstrakt> i mean i don't know what he could do about it cuz it's a proprietary driver
[00:31] <holstein> he doesnt do the RT kernel at all AFAIK
[00:31] <abstrakt> k
[00:31] <holstein> doesnt hurt to ask
[16:25] <bartje> hi, I seem to have a problem with kino, more specific, it won't start because it doesn't find libquicktime.so.1 . It indeed is not on my harddrive, even though I did install libquicktime1, also the dev package...
[16:26] <bartje> using ubuntustudio 10.04 by the way
[16:27] <bartje> and kdenlive doesn't want to connect to my camcorder either (firewire), the permissions are right, and I do have the user (me) in the video group
[16:32] <bartje> starting dvgrab from the command line, it gives the same error, no libquicktime.so.1... so there's the  problem apparently
[16:45] <bartje> I solved it using this :
[16:45] <bartje> cd /usr/lib
[16:45] <bartje> sudo sudo ln libquicktime.so.0 libquicktime.so.1
[16:45] <bartje> (one sudo ofcourse :-) )
[16:47] <bartje> and my camcorder now connects to kdenlive too, so, this was an error. Are there any others that have had this problem? Maybe it's a bug to be fixed, if so, I'd file a bug report..
[16:52] <astraljava> bartje: Doesn't it look like a bug? At least it reeks of bug to me. :) So yes, file it, as it seems to have been around from at least second half of 2008: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=873974
[16:54] <bartje> I never had this problem before, and I do use ubuntu since 2008
[16:54] <holstein> bartje: strange, that seems so much like a permissions issue doesnt it?
[16:54] <bartje> it is fixed like I described, so no rights problem
[16:54] <bartje> sorry, 'permission problem'
[16:55] <holstein> bartje: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+filebug
[16:56] <holstein> i think thats a good start
[16:56] <bartje> ok, thanks :-)
[17:04] <astraljava> Hmm... don't know really if it's a bug or not. Or rather, a bug on which piece of software. /usr/lib/libquicktime.so.1 is installed on 8.10 version of libquicktime1, but looks like it isn't anymore.
[17:06] <holstein> i was reading wrong:/
[17:06] <holstein> i thought the programs getting started sudo made it work
[17:06] <holstein> astraljava: were you just trying it?
[17:07] <bartje> I tried using sudo kino, but that didn't do the job
[17:07] <bartje> so, anyone else that can't start kino?
[17:08] <holstein> what was the command that you were using bartje ?
[17:08] <holstein> can i do it withoug a camcorder?
[17:08] <holstein> i'll try and confirm it
[17:08]  * holstein is an audio guy
[17:08] <bartje> :-)
[17:08] <bartje> bugreport is written, I just have to push the 'submit' button
[17:08] <holstein> hit it
[17:09] <holstein> cant hurt
[17:09] <bartje> done
[17:09] <bartje> I reproduced the error by starting dvgrab from the commandline,
[17:10] <holstein> that sounds like something i can handle
[17:10] <bartje> I guess the options for where the bug is, are limited to dvgrab or libquicktime1
[17:13] <astraljava> holstein: No I did not. I just checked whether I had that file, and when I did, which package owned it. Now I'm not just sure whether it's a bug on libquicktime1 for not including it, or kino et al. for still depending on it.
[17:19] <bartje> so you guys have the same problem?
[17:19] <holstein> hmmm
[17:19] <holstein> is dvdgrab installed by default?
[17:20] <holstein> OH
[17:20] <holstein> hehe
[17:21] <holstein> i was spelling it wrong
[17:21] <bartje> :-)
[17:22] <holstein> i also only have the audio meta-pacakges
[17:22] <holstein> packages*
[17:22] <holstein> i'm installing kino and dvgrab
[17:23] <holstein> SO kino started fine
[17:24] <holstein> bartje: was there something in particular in kino?
[17:24] <holstein> that i can trigger without a camera?
[17:25] <bartje> hmm, I didn't try starting Kino without the camera connected of course, should have done that before
[17:25] <holstein> and i get 'Error: no camera exists' with dvgrab
[17:26] <holstein> i dont think im going to be able to reproduce it without a camera
[17:26] <bartje> I'll unlink libquicktime.so.1, and try again with the camera disconnected, OK?
[17:27] <holstein> its up to you
[17:27] <holstein> the bug report is good
[17:27] <holstein> i was just going to try and confirm it with different hardware
[17:27] <holstein> to get the camera out of the equasion
[17:27] <bartje> ah, ok
[17:32] <holstein> ScottL: is there a testing ppa i should add?
[17:32] <holstein> to get the pulse-jack package for testing with maverick?
[17:34] <bartje> I did get the same error with the camcorder disconnected, weird...
[17:34] <holstein> bartje: hmmm
[17:34] <holstein> just starting kino?
[17:35] <bartje> using kino 1.3.4
[17:38] <holstein> 1.3.4-1ubuntu1
[17:38] <bartje> yep, same one here
[17:42] <astraljava> bartje: What's the output of: dpkg -L libquicktime1|grep .so.
[17:43] <bartje> /usr/lib/libquicktime/lqt_faac.so
[17:43] <bartje> /usr/lib/libquicktime/lqt_videocodec.so
[17:43] <bartje> /usr/lib/libquicktime/lqt_schroedinger.so
[17:43] <bartje> /usr/lib/libquicktime/lqt_x264.so
[17:43] <bartje> /usr/lib/libquicktime/lqt_mjpeg.so
[17:43] <bartje> /usr/lib/libquicktime/lqt_audiocodec.so
[17:43] <bartje> /usr/lib/libquicktime/lqt_rtjpeg.so
[17:43] <bartje> /usr/lib/libquicktime/lqt_faad2.so
[17:43] <bartje> /usr/lib/libquicktime/lqt_lame.so
[17:43] <bartje> /usr/lib/libquicktime/lqt_vorbis.so
[17:43] <bartje> /usr/lib/libquicktime/lqt_ffmpeg.so
[17:43] <bartje> /usr/lib/libquicktime/lqt_png.so
[17:43] <bartje> /usr/lib/libquicktime/lqt_dv.so
[17:43] <bartje> /usr/lib/libquicktime.so.0.0.0
[17:44] <bartje> oops, flooding-warning :-/
[17:44] <holstein> hehe
[17:44] <holstein> i can get kino running
[17:44] <holstein> on maverick and lucid
[17:44] <holstein> BUT i got no camera
[17:45] <bartje> I have the option to select quicktime DV in preferences-Capture
[17:45] <bartje> in previous versions I did not
[17:45] <holstein> which i assume is a nice new feature
[17:46] <bartje> (if I remember it well, I don't remember ever having seen that option before)
[17:46] <holstein> cool
[17:46] <holstein> i havent looked at the video tools in a long time
[17:47] <holstein> kino looks great
[17:47] <astraljava> bartje: Yeah flooding, since you left out the final dot. :)
[17:47] <bartje> ah, ok, that happens with copy/paste.
[17:48] <astraljava> But it's okay, shows that the package didn't install that file for you. Can you holstein do the same, please?
[17:48] <holstein> :)
[17:49] <holstein> i get 2 lines
[17:49] <holstein> /usr/lib/libquicktime.so.1.0.0
[17:49] <holstein> and
[17:49] <holstein> /usr/lib/libquicktime.so.1
[17:50] <astraljava> holstein: Thanks. What's the output of: apt-cache policy libquicktime1 ? The both of you, please. :)
[17:52] <bartje> and a dot at the end...  :-)
[17:52] <bartje> libquicktime1:
[17:52] <bartje>   Geïnstalleerd: 2:1.1.4+0ubuntu0+withcodecs3
[17:52] <bartje>   Kandidaat: 2:1.1.4+0ubuntu0+withcodecs3
[17:52] <bartje>   Versietabel:
[17:52] <bartje>  *** 2:1.1.4+0ubuntu0+withcodecs3 0
[17:52] <holstein> installed and candidate versions are both 2:1.1.4-1
[17:52] <bartje>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/falk-t-j/lucid/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages
[17:52] <bartje>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[17:52] <bartje>      2:1.1.4-1 0
[17:52] <bartje>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/universe Packages.
[17:52] <holstein> hmmm
[17:53] <holstein> libquicktime1: Installed: 2:1.1.4-1 Candidate: 2:1.1.4-1
[17:53] <holstein> like that
[17:53] <holstein> and
[17:53] <holstein> Version table:
[17:53] <holstein>  *** 2:1.1.4-1 0
[17:53] <holstein>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/universe Packages
[17:53] <holstein>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[17:54] <astraljava> bartje: There's your answer, you're using an out-of-distro version of the package.
[17:54] <holstein> pastebin not getting any love today ;)
[17:54] <astraljava> It's only a couple of lines, no that big a deal. :D
[17:55] <holstein> OH yeah
[17:55] <holstein> the falk PPA
[17:55] <holstein> bartje: falk is over in #opensourcemusicians right now
[17:55] <bartje> is over, you mean, not in use anymore?
[17:55] <holstein> no
[17:55] <holstein> the guy
[17:55] <holstein> hes over there
[17:56] <holstein> if you want to tell him
[17:56] <holstein> falktx
[17:56] <bartje> ah, sure
[17:57] <bartje> glad to do some usefull for ubuntustudio for once :-)
[17:57] <holstein> :)
[17:58] <astraljava> bartje: Actually, that had nothing to do with ubuntustudio, as it wasn't the version we use. :D
[17:58] <holstein> kxstudio is kind of an unofficial proving ground though
[17:59] <holstein> for some ubuntustudio future projects
[18:00] <bartje> wow, useful for the future then :-)
[18:14] <bartje> gotto go, rehearsal :-), thanks for the advice
[18:15] <holstein> bartje: later
[18:16] <astraljava> bartje: Have fun!
[18:17] <bartje> I surely will, Aux Raus (belgian franchise) is fun :-p, bye
[20:45] <abstrakt> anyone here made a liveUSB image out of the studio ISO?
[20:45] <abstrakt> i tried making one using the fedora LiveUSB creator but no go :/
[20:45] <abstrakt> eventually it said it couldn't find media and wanted to know where to find media, like gave me a list that said to try to e.g. use a CD or whatever
[20:46] <abstrakt> but there's no way to select the USB drive as the media
[20:46] <holstein> abstrakt: i didnt get it to install
[20:46] <holstein> i tried it too, and gave up
[20:46] <holstein> the same with a crunchbang ISO that uses that installer
[20:47] <abstrakt> :(
[20:47] <abstrakt> damn
[20:47] <abstrakt> i seriously don't want to use a CD
[20:47] <abstrakt> my DVD/CD drive is totally screwed
[20:47] <abstrakt> and it's SOOOO slow compared to USB
[20:48] <abstrakt> holstein: hey, where's that list of software that i need to *remove* to make my system be like ubuntu studio?
[20:48] <abstrakt> i can't find any such list
[20:48] <abstrakt> only documents explaining what to add
[20:48] <holstein> hmmmm
[20:48] <holstein> im not sure
[20:48] <holstein> i usually just add the stuff i need
[20:48] <holstein> ive done it before though
[20:49] <holstein> and adding just worked
[20:49] <holstein> the network manager should be taken out i suppose
[20:49] <holstein> if you want it to be the same
[20:49] <holstein> BUT i wouldnt do that unless you run into an issue
[21:07] <astraljava> abstrakt: Did your google-fu fail you? :D https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/usb-creator/C/making-a-live-usb.html
[21:07] <abstrakt> astraljava: yes it did because A) that's not for 10.04 and B) my usb-creator program just doesn't work
[21:08] <abstrakt> works on windows, not on ubuntu
[21:08] <abstrakt> dunno why but them's the breaks
[21:08] <abstrakt> i'm already on 9.10
[21:08] <abstrakt> astraljava: also... that's not ubuntu STUDIO specific
[21:08] <abstrakt> ubuntu studio uses a different (alternate/text based) installer
[21:09] <astraljava> abstrakt: Oh, dang. Forgot we were on #ubuntustudio, my mistake. :)
[21:09] <astraljava> abstrakt: Yeah, might be hard to do that, since the .iso doesn't have desktop.