[00:00] <shadeslayer> lex79: for accessibility?
[00:00] <lex79> yes
[00:01] <shadeslayer> lex79: i can pastebin the diff for the 2 branches if you want
[00:06] <shadeslayer> lex79: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeaccessibility/ubuntu/+merge/27093 
[00:07] <lex79> shadeslayer: ok, I will look soon
[00:07] <shadeslayer> lex79: its not complete yet,do i need to add a conflicts too?
[00:07] <lex79> no, I can do
[00:08] <shadeslayer> lex79: hmm.. ok as you wish... ill just update the package in ninja ppa
[00:08] <lex79> kk
[00:08] <ryanakca> Riddell: Good
[00:21] <shadeslayer> lex79: im going to sleep,can you package the lucid version of kdeaccessibility ?
[00:21] <lex79> yes
[00:21] <shadeslayer> thanks :)
[00:22] <lex79> shadeslayer: btw no need (<< 4:4.4.85) in conflicts or replaces, since kttsd is gone
[00:22] <shadeslayer_> lex79: ah ok
[00:22] <lex79> ;)
[01:01] <lex79> oh they bumped soversion of liblancelot
[01:01] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136109 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Actually set the speed text to the downloadSpeed QString we make. :/
[01:04] <lex79> JontheEchidna: can't we ship lancelot dev libraries?
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> lex79: Nothing uses them, and Debian and us came to the agreement that it's not worth it
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> since in the past there have been ABI breaks without .so version bumps, and general .so weirdness
[01:05] <ScottK> IIRC upstream even agreed.
[01:06] <lex79> ok
[01:10] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136110 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/ (detailswidget.cpp detailswidget.h) Don't shows the speed label unless the speed is above zero.
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> ^So I can either say "Speed: 0 KiB/s" at the start of the download, when APT doesn't have an estimate yet, or I can hide the label whenever speed hits 0 KiB/s, which would cover this scenario but also have the effect of hiding the speed label any time the download speed legitimately is zero
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> The first solution is inaccurate, but more informative if in the middle of a download the speed reaches zero, while the second solution prevents inaccurate info being presented, but presents less info if the download speed reaches zero in the middle of the download
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> The difference is that APT will always have a time at the start of a download where it reports zero, whereas the case where a user's download hits zero is not as certain
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> So that's why I went with the above commit
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> Any suggestions for a better solution are welcome
[01:21] <lex79> JontheEchidna: It's just a thought, since "the case where a user's download hits zero is not as certain" but  APT will always have a time at the start...maybe when label is 0 Kib/s could show "Calculating..." or something like that
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> Ideally the apt fetcher would return -1 when it's calculating, and 0 when the download really is zero, but that's a bit out of our control I think
[01:24] <lex79> I think so
[01:24] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Can you set a flag the first time you get a non-zero download speed and then show zero if the flag is set?
[01:25] <ScottK> (and the speed is zero again)
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> that could work
[01:25] <ScottK> I think hiding the legit zeros would confuse users, so it's worth the added complexity.
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, I wonder if I could get an upstream apt patch for returning -1 while still calculating...
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> looks like a one-liner
[01:26] <ScottK> You'd have to patch everything that relied on the existing return value too.
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> hrm, yeah...
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> stupid old apis
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> Well, your solution should work elegantly, even if it is sad that we have to do it that way
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> I could do this inside the qapt library so that nobody else using it has to figure it out
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> "The fail stops here"
[01:33] <ScottK> Good plan.
[01:46] <apachelogger> I got sold but I'm not soldier *sing* ^^
[02:01] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136115 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (5 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed)
[02:01] <CIA-91> In the fetcher constructor, add a m_calculatingSpeed bool that is initialized to
[02:01] <CIA-91> true. Once the download starts (but before we get > 0 speeds from apt), set the
[02:01] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: thanks
[04:23] <ScottK> Riddell: gpsd MIR is approved.  I'm going to look at updating packages for it.  Please pre-promote it so they'll build in the archive.
[09:42] <ghostcube> o/
[11:06] <Riddell> nobody going to put their name forward for coucil elections?
[11:07] <Riddell> lex79: think of the power!
[11:07] <Riddell> Mamarok: think of the glory
[11:07] <Riddell> Quintasan|Szel: it could be yours!
[11:07] <Riddell> ryanakca: you could be famous!
[11:08] <Mamarok> Riddell: I don't think I need glory :)
[11:08] <Riddell> now you do, you're not in the /topic any more :)
[11:09] <Riddell> Mamarok: you do have a good feel for the community and good upstream links
[11:09] <Mamarok> nah, not sure, it comes with a lot of responsabilities, and sessions and stuff
[11:09] <Riddell> it really doesn't
[11:09] <Mamarok> hm, how much time to think do I have?
[11:09] <Riddell> until next monday
[11:10] <Mamarok> short...
[11:10] <Riddell> (unless nobody puts their name forward and it gets extended)
[11:11] <Riddell> jussi: one more council doesn't hurt :)
[11:12] <Tonio_> Riddell, on my side I havent been active enough recently to apply :)
[11:12] <Tonio_> Riddell, sadly, real life consumes a lot of time nowadays :(
[11:13] <Riddell> bah
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell, though I still expect to get more free time soon... just I have no visibility on that point
[11:15] <Tonio_> Riddell, anyway, I used to be a council member so if you need a name, I'll apply
[11:15] <Riddell> rgreening, nhandler, neversfelde, nixternal: fame, power and glory awaits!
[11:17] <Riddell> debfx: being a council member makes you really fancyable
[11:19] <jussi> lol
[11:19] <jussi> I was mulling it over anyway
[11:19] <jussi> If peoples want me.. :)
[11:20] <Riddell> everyone wants you jussi!
[11:21] <jussi> well hat is in the ring now :)
[11:22] <Riddell> a|wen: you wouldn't want jussi to feel all alone would you?
[11:23] <jussi> Riddell: how many spots are we filling? 
[11:23] <Riddell> three
[11:23] <a|wen> not at all ... hi jussi!
[11:23] <jussi> hi a|wen
[11:24] <Riddell> (that's a hint about putting your name forward for kubuntu council incase you missed it a|wen :)
[11:24] <Riddell> txwikinger2 and txwikinger3: you could put both your names forward!
[11:25]  * Riddell suspects ScottK is still alergic to the idea
[11:27] <ScottK> Probably, although perhaps less so than in the past.
[11:29] <a|wen> (ahh ... sadly I don't have that much time currently, so maybe it shouldn't be this time around)
[11:29] <Riddell> a meeting every few weeks isn't much time
[11:31] <a|wen> true; but starting new job soon, I've promised myself not to engage in too many new activities, until I find out if there is room for it in the new schedule
[11:32] <a|wen> but I'll do my best to still show up at kubuntu meetings and help around
[11:40] <ryanakca> Riddell: I don't think that I've been around enough lately to put myself forward. Maybe next time around.
[12:01] <Riddell> ScottK: gpsd moved to main
[12:01] <ScottK> Riddell: Great.  I think I've about got workspace sorted for it.
[12:03] <jussi> !info gpsd
[12:03] <jussi> ahh :)
[12:11] <ScottK> Riddell: symbol files for -workspace need fixing and I don't have the time.
[12:12] <Riddell> ScottK: just commit to bzr with a large TODO in the changelog
[12:12] <Riddell> and comment on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[12:13] <ScottK> Will do.
[12:55] <Riddell> meh, beta 2 release happening today
[12:56] <Riddell> neversfelde, lex79: how's kdebase and kdemultimedia?
[12:56] <lex79> kdemultimedia is in ninja
[12:56] <Riddell> lovely
[12:57] <lex79> kdebase dunno, neversfelde was on it yesterday
[12:57]  * Riddell dist-upgrades
[13:07] <lex79> Riddell: I still have upgrade, you should see if marble and digikam work
[13:07] <lex79> ah and maybe if kdepim work since I built 4.4.4 against kdepimlibs 4.4.85
[13:08] <Riddell> will do
[13:08] <Riddell> also installing lucid so i can test that properly
[13:08] <lex79> ok
[13:09] <shadeslayer> jussi: +1 :)
[13:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: now you just have to find someone else to nominate themselves and we'll have a council who can make you a member :)
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hehe :P
[13:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what about apachelogger ?
[13:10] <Riddell> he's already on 
[13:10] <Riddell> from last year, still got a year to go
[13:10] <shadeslayer> ah ok..
[13:11] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> anybody on lucid that can test a few SRU's?
[13:14] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: fire away
[13:15] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: sure; and even have a kubuntu lucid VM I'm testing some more stuff in right now
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: bug 578215, install kubuntu-default-settings from lucid-proposed, create a new user, and see if file indexing is disabled in System Settings -> advanced -> semantic desktop
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> nepomuk should still be enabled, but file indexing should be unchecked
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> bug 588709: ensure that kpackagekit doesn't depend on kdebase-workspace-bin
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> after apt-get updating after enabling lucid-proposed
[13:16] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i probably have that package
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> just apt-cache show kpackagekit and see if 0.5.4-0ubuntu4.1 depends on kpackagekit
[13:17] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i have 1:10.04ubuntu23.1 from updates
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: ah, you'll want 1:10.04ubuntu23.2. Must not be there yet
[13:17] <shadeslayer> yeah i have proposed enabled....
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> still building and/or waiting to be published
[13:18] <JontheEchidna> should be there today
[13:18] <rgreening> morning Riddell
[13:18] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: same thing for kpk
[13:18] <shadeslayer> i have 0.5.4-0ubuntu4
[13:19] <lex79> neversfelde: I'm doing kdebase
[13:20] <shadeslayer> lex79: hehe :P
[13:21] <rgreening> Riddell: whats the fame/power/glory awaiting us?
[13:21] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: btw can i just remove the .kde dir to test it out?
[13:22] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: yeah
[13:22] <Riddell> rgreening: should you put your name forward for the kubuntu council
[13:22] <rgreening> umm.. I have a year left.. so I was planning on staying on
[13:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw there were alread 3 nominations , you,neversfelde and jussi :)
[13:23] <shadeslayer> now there are 4 :P
[13:23] <Riddell> rgreening: oh aye, never mind the 
[13:23] <rgreening> Riddell: :)
[13:24] <rgreening> I haz the fame power and glory for another 300+ days :)
[13:24] <shadeslayer> rgreening: you will probably get re-elected :P
[13:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw kubuntu members can vote any number of times,right?
[13:25] <shadeslayer> for different candidates...
[13:25] <Riddell> it'll be a concordant thingy vote
[13:39] <maco> Riddell: condorcet?
[13:51] <Riddell> maco: could well be
[13:52] <maco> silly Riddell
[13:52]  * maco hugs
[13:56] <Riddell> lex79: KDE SC works, marble works, digikam works but i can't work out how to get it to use marble
[13:57] <lex79> don't look at me, I dont use that stuff :P
[13:57] <Riddell> still no blur behind the transparent plasma bits
[13:57] <JontheEchidna> kde bug 240956
[13:58] <lex79> I'm reuploading kdelibs, kdoctools should depends on kdelibs5-data
[13:58] <JontheEchidna> ^the problem intel users are facing
[13:58] <lex79> need to fox kphotoalbum mess
[13:58] <lex79> blur works here with nvidia
[13:58] <Riddell> kontact loads but adding an item to the calendar crashes it :(
[13:59] <lex79> kmail?
[14:00] <Riddell> I don't know if I have any e-mail accounts to test kmail with
[14:00] <maco> Riddell: do you use imap or pop?
[14:00] <Riddell> without any accounts I use neither :)
[14:00] <maco> you have accounts!
[14:01] <maco> if you use imap on one of 'em just, make kmail use that same account with imap
[14:01] <maco> like, say, your gmail
[14:01] <Riddell> my gmail has too many e-mails in it for kmail to like
[14:01] <Riddell> let me try my canonical account
[14:01] <jussi> lol
[14:01]  * shadeslayer never understood the need to fetch mail on your disk when all of it can be in the ' cloud '
[14:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: heh same here :P
[14:02] <maco> there's a point where that happens?
[14:02] <maco> i delete old mails every 6mo, so i "only" have 665mb in use for my gmail
[14:02] <jussi> maco: you abviously havent seen the number of emails in riddels inbox...
[14:02] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: im pulling in the new kubuntu-default-settings now
[14:03] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[14:03] <maco> it takes about 12 hours to sync when i setup dimap with it on a new computer
[14:03]  * jussi remembers seeing it at UDS...
[14:03] <shadeslayer> i could fit all of my mail onto a CD right now :P
[14:04] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: no new kpk
[14:04] <Riddell> groovy, kmail works with imap
[14:05] <jussi> Riddell: *real* imap? or just dimap?
[14:05] <Riddell> real imap
[14:05] <jussi> ooh, thats nice!!!
[14:05] <Riddell> what do you mean "just dimap" isn't dimap more buggy in general?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> jussi: whats dimap?
[14:05] <jussi> disconnected imap
[14:05] <shadeslayer> hmm..
[14:08] <lex79> neversfelde: kdebase uploaded
[14:13] <maco> Riddell: as long as ive used kde, dimap's been the one that actually works
[14:13] <Riddell> hmm, commands freezing on my console
[14:13] <maco> Riddell: regular imap crashed kmail if you tried to delete >1 email at a time
[14:14] <jussi> yeah, that
[14:20] <ghostcube> woah i have over 1 gig in my gmail account o.O
[14:20] <ghostcube> need to delete some of them
[14:24] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm not seeing a commit from you for kdebase-workspace in bzr
[14:29] <ghostcube> ehlo shadeslayer do you run an N900 now too?
[14:29] <ghostcube> seen you in maemo :)
[14:29] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: hehe :P
[14:29] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: no i just saw the maemo announcement and was downloading the ISO :P
[14:29] <ghostcube> ah ok :)
[14:30] <shadeslayer> brb
[14:32] <txwikinger2> Riddell: why would I do that? :p
[14:36] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: confirmed,strigi is disabled but nepomuk is enabled
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: thanks. please leave a comment on the bug to that effecgt
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> *effect
[14:36] <shadeslayer> sure.. i dont remember the bug number though :)
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> bug 578215
[14:37] <txwikinger> Riddell: I think we have very good nominations and I am too stretched at the moment
[14:37]  * txwikinger needs to rebuild the LoCo
[14:37] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: nope not that one :)
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: yeah, that one :)
[14:38] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[14:38] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i thought it was 578215
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> yes... that's what I posted :)
[14:38] <shadeslayer> oh right :)D
[14:40] <JontheEchidna> brb, rebooting to see if the ldap stuff I did on the server works
[14:54] <Riddell> lex79: beta 2 working lovely for lucid
[14:56] <txwikinger> Riddell: something wrong with the build system?
[14:56]  * txwikinger wonders about those funny failures in the e-mails
[14:56] <Riddell> txwikinger: what build system?
[14:56] <txwikinger> Riddell: Launchpad
[14:57] <Riddell> hum
[14:57] <txwikinger> I think it is for ninja-ppas
[14:57] <txwikinger> I haven't sent anything up.. just got these e-mails that did not make sense to me
[14:58]  * txwikinger needs to go to a meeting
[14:58] <Riddell> too many uploads happening too quick, launchpad gets confused
[14:59] <txwikinger> ah
[14:59]  * Riddell throws up digikam for lucid to make it even more confused
[14:59] <txwikinger> rofl
[15:00] <txwikinger> meeting is delayed :)
[15:03]  * shadeslayer gets cracking on Digital Electronics 
[15:33] <Riddell> lex79: you forgot to prune-nonfree in soprano
[15:34] <Riddell> lex79, shadeslayer_: I'm going to start uploading to maverick if you guys have no objections
[15:34] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: everything in bzr is good to go imo
[15:34] <shadeslayer_> well.. if lex added the kttsd replaces/conflicts :P
[15:36] <Riddell> he did indeed
[15:36] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: awesome :)
[15:36] <Riddell> totally awesome
[15:40] <ghostcube> is 4.5 already in an ppa? 
[15:40] <shadeslayer_> kubotu: np
[15:40] <kubotu> shadeslayer_ listened to ""complicated" (avril lavigne)" by Avril Lavigne 13 days ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/5o4cq6gKFAbR1V7wITwB7n] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more
[15:40] <shadeslayer_> ghostcube: yes
[15:41] <ghostcube> shadeslayer_: which one is it in?
[15:41] <ghostcube> havent found it till now :|
[15:41] <Riddell> ninjas
[15:41] <shadeslayer_> ghostcube: its in the experimental ppa,use with caution
[15:41] <ghostcube> ahh ok 
[15:41] <ghostcube> :)
[15:41] <ghostcube> going to test later ;)
[15:41] <ghostcube> thx
[15:42] <shadeslayer_> ghostcube: have fun :)
[15:42] <ghostcube> :)
[15:42] <shadeslayer_> ghostcube: you might want to use sudo apt-get -f install to fix stuff :P
[15:42] <ghostcube> shadeslayer_: hehe like always :)
[15:42] <shadeslayer_> :P
[15:42] <ghostcube> i even use apt-get on my maemo but its not recommended
[15:42] <ghostcube> :D
[15:43] <ghostcube> hmmm but i bet moving .kde is again the trick :)
[15:43] <shadeslayer_> ghostcube: got a torrent for maemo?
[15:43]  * shadeslayer_ wont do the ftp dance again..
[15:43] <ghostcube> nope i just caught the iso and flashed my nokia 
[15:43] <ghostcube> sorry
[15:44] <shadeslayer_> ghostcube: oh no problems :)
[15:44] <ghostcube> but i may can upload the image if i find it 
[15:44] <ghostcube> :)
[15:44] <shadeslayer_> ghostcube: well the image is already there on FTP...
[15:44] <shadeslayer_> i want a torrent :P
[15:44] <ghostcube> hehe
[15:49] <shadeslayer_> kubotu: np
[15:49] <kubotu> shadeslayer_ listened to ""complicated" (avril lavigne)" by Avril Lavigne 13 days ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/5o4cq6gKFAbR1V7wITwB7n] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more
[15:49] <shadeslayer_> heh...
[16:19]  * Riddell ponders between beta and experimental PPA for 4.5 beta 2 lucid
[16:19] <Riddell> it should go in beta all things being to beta quality
[16:19] <Riddell> and my test on my netbook here shows it's of good quality
[16:19] <Riddell> unlike beta 1
[16:22] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: awesome,release beta 2 already then :P
[16:22] <Riddell> it's being uploaded to maverick now
[16:23] <Riddell> still finishing my lucid testing and waiting on digikam to compile
[16:23] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: oh i meant lucid
[16:30] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: hmm... do we care about armel builds?
[16:32] <ScottK> Riddell: There's other workspace stuff still needed besides the symbol file stuff.
[16:33] <shadeslayer_> bah.. nvm
[16:33] <ScottK> Working on it.
[16:33] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: btw i nominated you for KC,hope your ok with that
[16:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: I am.
[16:35] <shadeslayer_> :)
[16:36] <Riddell> for asdf in attica cmake digikam eigen2 gluon kde4libs kdeaccessibility kdeadmin kdeartwork kdebase kdebase-runtime  kdebase-workspace  kdebindings kdeedu kdegames kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdepimlibs kdeplasma-addons  kdesdk kdetoys kdeutils kdevelop kdevplatform kdewebdev libmsn meta-kde  oxygen-icons  phonon pkg-kde-tools python-qt4  qscintilla2 qt4-x11  qtcreator qtwebkit shared-desktop-ontologies  sip4-qt3  soprano; do echo ${asdf}; copy-pa
[16:36] <Riddell> that should keep it busy
[16:37] <nixternal> Riddell: I had the fame, the power, and the glory...actually I like to think I did, but anyways, I have been on the KC already, let new people in...nobody wants the second longest kubuntu developer anyways
[16:38] <lex79> Riddell: did you fix soprano?
[16:38] <Riddell> lex79: I removed the .jars from the .orig
[16:39] <lex79> kk
[16:40] <Riddell> ** testers needed for KDE SC 4.5 beta 2 on 10.04
[16:40] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: where is it located?
[16:40] <jussi> o/
[16:40] <jussi> exactly, where is it...
[16:40] <jussi> :D
[16:40] <gorgonizer> willing to test as well
[16:41] <shadeslayer_> jussi: :P
[16:41] <shadeslayer_> jussi: probably in beta ppa :)
[16:41] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm installing now :-)
[16:41] <Riddell> rbelem: from ninjas?
[16:41] <shadeslayer_> rbelem: from where?
[16:41] <rbelem> from ninjas :-)
[16:41] <Riddell> it's being copied into kubuntu-ppa/beta but it's not done yet
[16:42] <jussi> right, please let us know when its doen :)
[16:45]  * jussi has a nice bottle of this... http://farm1.static.flickr.com/9/12301861_26fdf19bc9.jpg looks like till be a nice night :D
[16:45] <Riddell> what is it?
[16:48] <jussi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut_brandy
[16:48] <jussi> Ive the 3 star stuff though :D
[16:55] <Riddell> hmm, maverick getting quite broken
[16:56] <ScottK> Riddell: X stuff?
[16:56] <Trouble> I didn't realise 4.5 beta 2 had been packaged for 10.04!
[16:56] <Trouble> I was keeping an eye on the Wiki
[16:56] <Trouble> Downloading and installing now...
[16:57] <Riddell> ScottK: lower, processes stop responding
[16:57] <ScottK> Ouch.
[16:57] <Riddell> Trouble: it's not announced yet.  where are you downloading from?
[16:58] <Trouble> Ninjas
[16:59] <jussi> so am I now allowed to say "well here's Trouble..." :P ?
[16:59] <Trouble> Only if I cause a fuss :-p
[16:59] <shadeslayer_> jussi: rofl
[17:00] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: akonadi wont upgrade with dist upgrade as of now.. from beta ppa
[17:01] <Trouble> I thought 4.5 beta 2 hasn't finished copying to beta ppa yet?
[17:01] <shadeslayer_> Trouble: it isnt..
[17:01] <shadeslayer_> im just saying :)
[17:01] <Trouble> :-p
[17:03] <Riddell> it'll need the new qt
[17:04] <shadeslayer> heh get this,India is carrying out a census and all of us will get a Unique ID,and guess who is handling the backend for storage and stuff...
[17:05] <Riddell> we'll never know
[17:06] <lex79> lol
[17:07] <shadeslayer> lex79: eh?
[17:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we're all waiting to find out who's running the census
[17:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah..
[17:08] <lex79> :)
[17:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Microsoft :P
[17:08] <Riddell> boo
[17:08] <shadeslayer> Now all my personal info is in the hands of people whom i dont trust :P
[17:09] <Riddell> kubuntu-ppa/beta should be published now
[17:09] <Riddell> who wants to try it out?
[17:09] <lex79> Riddell: you need to upload meta-kde first...
[17:09] <lex79> maybe eh
[17:09] <Trouble> Installed.... Rebooting...
[17:09] <Riddell> meta-kde - 5:62ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa3  is in
[17:10] <Riddell> Trouble: really?  that was suspiciously fast
[17:10] <gorgonizer> Riddell: installling now from the Bate PPA.
[17:10] <rbelem> Riddell, are the packages the same from ninjas?
[17:10] <Trouble> JANET ;-)
[17:10] <lex79> ah I mean in maverick, but you already uploaded, nevermind
[17:10] <Trouble> Downloading took seconds
[17:10] <Riddell> rbelem: yes
[17:11] <Trouble> Riddell: Installing took a little longer
[17:11] <Trouble> Anyway brb (hopefully)
[17:12] <shadeslayer> stupid irssi and my net connection....
[17:13] <shadeslayer> packages are in beta ppa :)
[17:14] <mfraz74> at the moment it is saying i need to remove 14 packages
[17:14] <Trouble> Oooo this is nice
[17:14] <Riddell> mfraz74: can you pastebin those?
[17:14] <Riddell> Trouble: yay!
[17:14] <shadeslayer> seems to be working fine here :)
[17:15] <mfraz74> http://pastebin.com/NXq7aHxW
[17:15] <shadeslayer> mine is http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/VTPxrzDe
[17:16] <ScottK> Riddell: In kinfocenter, it seems just to have the files listed in kinfocenter.install.linux and not the ones in kinfocenter.install. (this is workspace).  I can't see why that would be.  Could you have a look?
[17:16] <Riddell> mfraz74: that's all good, they're all packages which have gone away, carry on
[17:16] <mfraz74> riddell: OK thanks
[17:17] <mfraz74> updating
[17:17] <Trouble> I'm liking the new system tray icons
[17:18] <jussi> hrm...
[17:18] <jussi> its trying to remove xbmc...
[17:18] <jussi>   freespacenotifier kdebase-plasma kdepimlibs-data kdesnake libkfontinst4 libkonqsidebarplugin4 libkwineffects1 libmarble4 libplasma-applet-system-monitor4 libplasmaclock4
[17:18] <jussi>   libprocesscore4 libprocessui4 libqt4-assistant libqt4-phonon libsmokekde4-3 libtaskmanager4 libweather-ion4 plasma-widget-daisy plasma-widget-smooth-tasks xbmc xbmc-data
[17:18] <jussi>   xbmc-skin-confluence xbmc-web
[17:19] <shadeslayer> jussi: 0_o
[17:19] <DarthFrog> Ouch.
[17:19] <shadeslayer> i wonder what would have a conflict with xbmc....
[17:19] <Riddell> what is xbmc?
[17:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its a media center app
[17:19] <shadeslayer> like windows media center
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: xBox Media Center :P
[17:20] <jussi> and why is smooth tasks going away? is it now integrated?
[17:20] <mfraz74> hope it fixes the odd problems i've been having with device notifyer
[17:20] <Riddell> my apt-cache knows nothing about it
[17:20] <shtylman> if I have a .so.#.#.# that I ship in some package... what/where/how do I make the symlink from just the .so -> .so.#.#.# ?
[17:21] <shtylman> is that in the post install script?
[17:21] <shtylman> or does the symlink also get packaged up?
[17:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah theres a seprate ppa forit
[17:21] <Riddell> shtylman: the build system will make the symlink
[17:21] <shtylman> and ship in the .deb
[17:21] <shadeslayer> shtylman: in the install file
[17:22] <shtylman> gotcha.. so I need to make the buildsystem make a symlink on 'install' basically
[17:22] <Riddell> shtylman: the buildsystem will make the symlink when it makes the library
[17:22] <shtylman> Riddell: depends on the buildsystem right?
[17:22] <Riddell> assuming the buildsystem is at all sane and it really is a shared library and not a plugin or whatever
[17:22] <shtylman> right
[17:23] <tsimpson> it should also make the .so.# so apps can link at runtime
[17:24] <DarthFrog> I just added the backports-beta-ppa repo.  Now I have 104 blocked updates. :-)
[17:24] <mfraz74> darthfrog: how are you trying to update?
[17:25] <DarthFrog> kpackagekit
[17:25] <jussi> downloading and installing beta2 now
[17:25] <mfraz74> darthfrog: try from konsole
[17:26] <DarthFrog> mfraz74: I will, as soon as the security updates are finished.
[17:29] <Trouble> Updating my Kubuntu NetBook to 4.5 beta 2 :)
[17:29] <DarthFrog> Hmm, it wants to remove kdebase-plasma
[17:29] <Riddell> DarthFrog: that's fine
[17:30] <rbelem> it is working fine here :-)
[17:31] <Trouble> The new notifications is pretty cool
[17:31] <DarthFrog> Riddell:  The list of packages to be removed is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/447284/  Is this correct?
[17:32] <Riddell> ScottK: may not have time for kdebase today a but I can get to it soon
[17:32] <ScottK> OK.  I'll see if I can figure something out.
[17:32] <Riddell> ScottK: where's the launchpad product for bugs in our PPA packages?
[17:32] <ScottK> Riddell: I do have workspace changes.  Should I just upload those to the public PPA and push them in bzr when they're ready?
[17:33] <Riddell> ScottK: I'd rather not change PPA packages now, they're working and about to be announced, just put in bzr and when ready maverick
[17:34] <ScottK> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa
[17:34] <ScottK> OK.
[17:34] <ScottK> It'd be nice if someone who normally does triage like txwikinger would subscribe to the bugs there.
[17:34] <txwikinger> ScottK: ok
[17:34] <ScottK> Thanksl
[17:34] <ScottK> Thanks even
[17:35] <mfraz74> i see the chooserhosts line in kdmrc has been cleaned up a bit
[17:37] <shadeslayer> even kpk doesnt block any update now :D
[17:40] <mfraz74> updates installed, suppose i have to log out and back in to see the differences?
[17:40] <Riddell> mfraz74: yes please
[17:40] <mfraz74> here goes then
[17:40] <Riddell> how's this? http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.5-beta-2
[17:40] <mfraz74> see you on the other side
[17:41] <DarthFrog> "crack of the week".  :-)))))))
[17:44] <jussi> right. installed, now to restart kde. brb...
[17:47] <shadeslayer> heh.. no one updated #kubuntu with the 4.4.4 release :P
[17:47] <jussi> nice icons... has someone go a link to the changelog?
[17:48] <shadeslayer> jussi: i can get you the changelog for 4.4.80
[17:48] <neversfelde> lex79: thank you
[17:48] <jussi> shadeslayer: perfect
[17:48] <shadeslayer> since 4.4.85 is yet to be released :P
[17:48] <mfraz74> kmail: error while loading shared libraries: libkontactinterface.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:49] <mfraz74> also, can't seem to right click on most of the icons in the system tray
[17:50] <jussi> yeah, amarok and kopete dont right click
[17:50] <shadeslayer> ok i have a really crappy connection so im signing off until it gets better :P
[17:51] <jussi> nor does kmix 
[17:51] <mfraz74> can't launch anything to do with kontact
[17:52] <DarthFrog> Well, so far, so good.  The machine booted. :-)
[17:53] <Riddell> mfraz74: bah, I didn't copy kdepim
[17:53] <Riddell> let me do that now
[17:53] <mfraz74> looks like kdepimlibs5 hasn't been upgraded
[17:53] <ScottK> mfraz74: By design.
[17:53] <mfraz74> doh
[17:53] <ScottK> mfraz74: pimlibs and pim won't get updated until 4.5.1.
[17:53] <mfraz74> scottk: no emails mean nothing to distract us?
[17:53] <ScottK> No, just keep using the 4.4 ones and it should work fine.
[17:53] <jussi> mfraz74: kontact is borked here also
[17:54] <mfraz74> scottk: how do we work around this then?
[17:54] <Riddell> kdepim won't work, needs the new 4.4.4 ones, copyingnow
[17:54] <ScottK> There you go.
[17:54] <mfraz74> thanks jr
[17:55] <mfraz74> regarding the new icons, they look odd with some of the older ones there too
[17:55] <mfraz74> anything we can do to fix the right click menus?
[17:55] <DarthFrog> the new icons seem somewhat ... colourless.
[17:56] <mfraz74> darthfrog: yes, even moreso with choqok's bright green icon
[17:56] <Riddell> mfraz74: systray menus are agateau's area but he seems away for the day
[17:57] <Riddell> I think the colourless icons are the "give them something trivial to complain about so they don't notice the rest is perfect" approach
[17:58] <DarthFrog> In "Desktop Settings/Wallpaper/Slideshow"  the Up/Down arrows for "Change Images ..." doesn't have any effect other than to give focus to the input field.
[17:58] <mfraz74> riddell: like moving the icons in ubuntu? ;)
[17:58] <Riddell> DarthFrog: upstream bug
[17:59] <DarthFrog> No big deal.
[17:59] <mfraz74> just had a plasma crash
[18:00] <mfraz74> black screen after using quick launch
[18:01] <mfraz74> plasma-desktop[3105]: segfault at c ip 004934a8 sp bf98e0f0 error 4 in libkio.so.5.5.0[37c000+270000]
[18:01] <ScottK> DarthFrog: Be sure to file the bug.
[18:02] <Riddell> mfraz74: hmm, same here
[18:02] <DarthFrog> OK, shall do.
[18:02] <mfraz74> riddell: how do I get the desktop back?
[18:03]  * txwikinger thinks he is on the wrong mailing lists
[18:03] <ScottK> mfraz74: Do you happen to have a konsole window open?
[18:04] <mfraz74> no, but alt-f2 still works, now have konsole
[18:04] <ScottK> OK.
[18:04] <Riddell> run plasma-desktop
[18:05] <ScottK> Doing this from the VT would have been fine too ^^^
[18:06] <mfraz74> got it back
[18:07] <mfraz74> what does the + symbol do on folders when using folder view?
[18:08] <mfraz74> ok, figured it out now
[18:08] <Riddell> mfraz74: kdepim is up
[18:09] <mfraz74> thanks
[18:10] <mfraz74> looks like the quick access thingy is broken
[18:11] <jussi> looks like kde pim all works now
[18:13] <mfraz74> yes, working now
[18:15] <mfraz74> removing 'quick access' until it is working
[18:19] <DarthFrog> Is there a proper name for the Up/Down arrows in an input box?
[18:20] <Riddell> bulldog98, debfx: I see rekonq has a new beta out, any chance of packages for maverick?
[18:20] <Riddell> preferably using debfx's current packaging
[18:20] <Riddell> gorgonizer: how did it go?
[18:21] <lex79> Riddell: don't upload digikam to maverick, there's a new version, I'm going to packaging
[18:22] <mfraz74> darthfrog: bump icons?
[18:22] <Riddell> lex79: I did hear rumours of 1.3, it needs kdegraphics from 4.5 beta 2
[18:22] <mfraz74> digikam 1.3 is out
[18:22] <bulldog98> Riddell: I copyed his package behavior now in the PPA
[18:22] <lex79> Riddell: I know I'm doing
[18:23] <bulldog98> I think it’s build now
[18:23] <Riddell> bulldog98: so packages of 0.4.95 will be in your PPA?
[18:23] <mfraz74> any idea why when using application laucher, items in games show their description not their name? 
[18:23] <bulldog98> Riddell: with the addition of +git…
[18:24] <gorgonizer> seems excellent so far, no overwirte issues during install, boot up seems fine
[18:24] <gorgonizer> just checking the general desktop now, my desktop widgets have been resized, but that is a non-issue really..
[18:26] <Riddell> bulldog98: would you be able to do a source package with the 0.4.95 release tar to be uploaded?
[18:27] <bulldog98> Riddell: think so
[18:29] <txwikinger> ScottK: Does KNR use a different login than Kubuntu?
[18:29] <ScottK> txwikinger: No.
[18:29] <ScottK> KDM is the same.
[18:29] <txwikinger> hmm.. that is odd.. on my netbook, it takes 5 secs until the login widget disappears after I hit enter
[18:29] <ScottK> mgraesslin: I forwarded your last message to the ayatana list.  I agree there's not much point in continuing the conversation.
[18:29] <txwikinger> I never saw that on a desktop
[18:30] <ScottK> txwikinger: There is an issue with plasma-netbook startup that we need to loo into.
[18:30] <ScottK> loo/look
[18:30] <txwikinger> ah
[18:31] <mgraesslin> yes thanks
[18:31] <mgraesslin> it's a lost war
[18:34] <bulldog98> Riddell: no tarball out by now
[18:34] <bulldog98> will ask for
[18:35] <mfraz74> another plasma crash - clicked on the next month icon in the digital clock calendar
[18:36] <lex79> soyuz seems really busy today, we have a low build score
[18:37] <Riddell> bulldog98: what's this then? http://opendesktop.org/content/show.php?content=94258
[18:37] <bulldog98> Riddell: thought adamj would first publish it on gitorious or sourceforge
[18:42] <bulldog98> Riddell: the translations are missing in the tarball
[18:43] <gorgonizer> Riddell et al: cheers for the 4.4.85 packages, appear to be working without a hitch, highly impressed in comparison to 4.4.80...
[18:43] <mfraz74> should i have items in the lost and found section of system settings?
[18:44] <Riddell> bulldog98: oh tsk to adamj
[18:44] <Riddell> gorgonizer: lovely thanks
[18:45] <Riddell> mfraz74: no but it's a known issue
[18:45] <jussi> Does anyone know what binary is called when you lock the desktop? (ctrl+alt+L) ie. how would you call that from the CLI? (if possible)?
[18:49] <Riddell> anyone able to publish the story when kde releases?
[18:49] <Riddell> I'm going out for an hour
[18:51] <bulldog98> debfx: If we release rekonq in main it would be usefull to add an dbg package to it, wouldn’t it?
[18:54] <sushilcha> jussi: i think "qdbus org.freedesktop.ScreenSaver /ScreenSaver Lock" is called
[18:54] <jussi> sushilcha: thanks
[19:01] <neversfelde> Riddell: I can publish
[19:04] <debfx> bulldog98: it already has a debug package (in debian)
[19:04] <bulldog98> debfx: so adding the debug package in kubuntu would be good
[19:22] <lex79> JontheEchidna: around for an upload?
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> lex79: yep
[19:23] <lex79> JontheEchidna: kdeaccessibility from bzr, thanks
[19:29] <lex79> JontheEchidna: also kdeedu if you can, I forgot to add conflicts/replace for libmarblewidget10
[19:29] <lex79> now it's fixed
[19:29] <lex79> :(
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> kk'
[19:30] <txwikinger> Is it normal that kdeinit4 uses 3856M virt and 772M res ?
[19:32] <neversfelde> seems that we are the early bird on LinuxTag http://www.flickr.com/photos/37728609@N00/4683657018/
[19:32] <txwikinger> well.. is konsole I guess.. but still
[19:34] <bulldog98> neversfelde: hey tomorrow I’ll be there too
[19:34] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: wheres linux tag this year?
[19:34] <neversfelde> :)
[19:34] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: in Berlin
[19:35] <shadeslayer> :'(
[19:35] <shadeslayer> My dad is coming next week... i should have applied for a visa too :P
[19:35] <shadeslayer> s/coming/going to berlin
[19:36] <neversfelde> hehe, yes you should have done
[19:36] <neversfelde> well, as always I cannot go there either
[19:36] <shadeslayer> there never seem to be any FOSS events in india :|
[19:37] <shadeslayer> btw canonical is having a buisness promo meet thingy in UK
[19:37] <neversfelde> you have to organize an event then :)
[19:37] <neversfelde> and invite me
[19:37] <shadeslayer> only 60 or so free tickets left :P
[19:38] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: sure sure :D
[19:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: doesnt shiptit send any stickers with CD's anymore? 
[19:54] <shadeslayer> kde api is back online :D
[19:59] <shadeslayer> lex79: btw the right click on systray is disabled.. packaging error or upstream problem?
[19:59] <lex79> it works here
[20:00] <shadeslayer> lex79: on a app as well? like amarok
[20:00] <lex79> I didn't try with amarok, but with other apps work
[20:00] <shadeslayer> im still upgrading,someone in #kubuntu asked :)
[20:00] <gorgonizer> I am having that issue..
[20:01] <shadeslayer> gorgonizer: raindog in #kubuntu has same issue
[20:01] <gorgonizer> though I have found that KDEBluetooth responds to a left then middle click..
[20:02] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[20:02]  * shadeslayer still has 3 hours till full upgrade
[20:02] <gorgonizer> shadeslayer: oh, unlucky..
[20:03] <shadeslayer> the speed is jumpy.... reaches as high as 1 MBps and then drops to 9 KBps :P
[20:05] <neversfelde> shall I publish the 4.5 beta2 story on kubuntu.org or is someone else already doing it?
[20:05] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: already done
[20:06] <shadeslayer> hmm wait
[20:06] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: well, it is not available on latest news?
[20:06] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[20:06] <neversfelde> and it shouldn't be done befor it is released
[20:06] <shadeslayer> i thought that when the page got prepped it was published :P
[20:07] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: only in PPA?
[20:07] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: eh?
[20:08] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: haven’t got that update till now in maverick
[20:08] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: oh thats because kdelibs and kdebase is building till now and all other packages failed :P
[20:08] <shadeslayer> probably
[20:10] <shadeslayer> lex79: weird.. kdebase 4.4.85 is not even uploaded :D
[20:10] <lex79> in maverick?
[20:10] <shadeslayer> yep
[20:11] <neversfelde> story is on promoted to front page
[20:11] <neversfelde> was already published
[20:12] <neversfelde> -on
[20:14] <lex79> Riddell: when you come back, kdebase, oxygen-icons, kdepim-runtime and kdepim still need upload
[20:16]  * shadeslayer gives +1 to KDE for running the laptop kooler
[20:16] <shadeslayer> might be the .35 kernel... but hey KDE deserves some love :P
[20:18] <shadeslayer> in other news Gnome 3.0 will probably suck big time since they dropped GAJ and libclutter 
[20:18] <lex79> JontheEchidna: now plasma script is very buggy, if you add a widget on the desktop and then restart plasma you lose the widget and other plasma settings
[20:19] <lex79> :)
[20:19] <shadeslayer> lex79: thats because plasma doesnt get time to store the settings
[20:19] <shadeslayer> lex79: i had this issue sometime before :)
[20:20] <lex79> uhm strange didn't see before
[20:20] <shadeslayer> on the other hand if you quit plasma manually with kquitapp plasma-desktop it does write the config and everything is fluffy :P
[20:21] <lex79> nope, I tried
[20:22] <shadeslayer> hmm then that is a bug :P
[20:22] <shadeslayer> lex79: which widget btw?
[20:22] <lex79> all
[20:23] <shadeslayer> in beta 2?
[20:23] <lex79> yes
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> lex79: go to the cashew and click activities
[20:25] <shadeslayer> lex79: folderview causes plasma to crash in 4.4.80 here
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> they might be in a different activity
[20:26] <lex79> O.o
[20:26] <shadeslayer> lex79: multiple activities?
[20:26] <lex79> yes
[20:26] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[20:26] <lex79> 13
[20:26] <lex79> lol
[20:26] <shadeslayer> \o/
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> that goes back to the issue we were having yesterday, where both KDE"s default desktop script and our desktop script run
[20:27] <jjesse> you have 13 activities?
[20:27] <shadeslayer> ah.. i have 5 of them too :P
[20:27] <lex79> JontheEchidna: that script creates new activities by default too ?
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> yes, it creates 1 activity
[20:28] <lex79> ah that explain my 13 activities
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> I'm betting the widgets you added are somewhere in those
[20:30] <lex79> yep
[20:30] <shadeslayer> lex79: does the quick browser plasmoid work in  the taskbar?
[20:30] <lex79> plasma crashes if click on it
[20:30] <shadeslayer> dang :(
[20:30] <lex79> it needs some love
[20:31] <shadeslayer> lex79: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=240094
[20:32] <shadeslayer> idk how thats resolved :P
[20:34] <shadeslayer> j #launchpad
[20:39]  * shadeslayer now haz new ubuntu font
[20:40] <gorgonizer> shadeslayer: I think they resolved that bug as they see ti as a thrid party widget and not their issue :)
[20:40] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:41] <neversfelde> wow, updated my lucid with the 4.4.85 packages, no problems
[20:41] <neversfelde> good job, I'd say :)
[20:41] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: whee :D
[20:42] <lex79> neversfelde: obviously, you know
[20:42] <lex79> :P
[20:42] <shadeslayer> zomg.... ubuntu beta font+KDE== awesome :P
[20:44] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: what font where?
[20:45] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/new-ubuntu-font-how-to-download-it-but.html
[20:45] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: thanks
[20:45] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: no problems,it looks good at some places,but webpages are no go
[20:46] <Tm_T> hmm, that kind of thing, no thanks for me ):
[20:46] <shadeslayer> a bit blurry too :P
[20:47] <Riddell> yo, what did I miss
[20:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: I hope you did miss me for a second
[20:51]  * Tm_T hides
[20:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 00:44 < lex79> Riddell: when you come back, kdebase, oxygen-icons, kdepim-runtime and kdepim still need upload
[20:52] <Riddell> yeah, my computer keeps freezing before oxygen icons can be uploaded :(
[20:52] <Riddell> Tm_T: totally
[20:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: either you need a new computer or the computer needs a new you :P
[20:55] <shadeslayer> brb
[21:04] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: I have no disabled right click
[21:05] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: eh? i dont understand...
[21:06] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: didn't you talk about a disabled right click in 4.4.85 before?
[21:06] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: yes i did,but gorgonizer had the issue
[21:06] <shadeslayer> as did raindog in #kubuntu
[21:06] <shadeslayer> im still upgrading... lex79 doesnt seem to have it though
[21:08] <neversfelde> I lost all my plasma Settings, might be realted to a dual monitor setup
[21:16] <neversfelde> note to myself, do not upgrade, if you are a kontact user
[21:16] <neversfelde> I guess it is a known problem that kontact is not starting with 4.4.85?
[21:16] <neversfelde> or does it need a rebauild?
[21:16] <neversfelde> rebuild
[21:17] <neversfelde> kmail: error while loading shared libraries: libkontactinterface.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[21:17] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: kontact is still stuck at 4.4.3 or something
[21:18] <shadeslayer_> yeah.. 4.4.4
[21:18] <shadeslayer_> it will be released after 1 month or so after kde 4.5 release ;)
[21:18] <neversfelde> yes I know
[21:19] <neversfelde> so 4.4.4 Kontact does not work with 4.4.85?
[21:19] <shadeslayer_> dont think so...
[21:20] <shadeslayer_> but i might be wrong....
[21:21] <txwikinger> only kontact or also kmail etc?
[21:21] <neversfelde> also kmai
[21:21] <neversfelde> l
[21:25] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: btw wheres the option in kmail to leave the mail on the server?
[21:25] <neversfelde> use IMAP :)
[21:26] <shadeslayer_> ok
[21:26] <shadeslayer_> thats what im using :P
[21:26] <neversfelde> I do not know anything about the pop protocoll and kmal
[21:26] <shadeslayer_> sending is via SMTP
[21:26] <neversfelde> so everything should be left on the server when using IMAP?
[21:27] <shadeslayer_> ok.. ive never used kmail before :P
[21:32] <neversfelde> should be the same with every other client
[21:33]  * txwikinger does not suggest IMAP.. rather use disconnected IMAP
[21:34] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: ive never used imap/smtp before,i usually check mail online :P
[21:37] <neversfelde> txwikinger: I use dis IMAP on my laptop and IMAP on my desktop 
[21:37] <neversfelde> works fine
[21:37] <neversfelde> well, so far :)
[21:37] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: why do i get Cannot open file "/home/shadeslayer/.kde/share/apps/kmail/imap/478154403":
[21:38] <shadeslayer_> No such file or directory
[21:38] <neversfelde> dunno
[21:38] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: whats the diff. between the two?
[21:38] <txwikinger> I haven't tried IMAP since last October, but before that I had losts of problems until I went to dis IMAP
[21:39] <neversfelde> ah, I found the right click problem
[21:39] <lex79> weird, kmail and kontact work here
[21:40] <lex79> in maverick
[21:40] <neversfelde> no context menu when clicking on the amarok icon in tray
[21:40] <neversfelde> lex79: a rebuild is needed?
[21:41] <lex79> for amarok?
[21:41] <neversfelde> lex79: no kdepim
[21:41] <lex79> uhm kdepim and kdepim-runtime 4.4.4 are already built against 4.4.85
[21:41] <neversfelde> mhh
[21:42] <lex79> neversfelde: are you in lucid or maverick?
[21:42] <neversfelde> lex79: this is lucid
[21:42] <txwikinger> in 4.4.2 it works
[21:42] <neversfelde> with 4.4.85 from beta backports
[21:43] <lex79> neversfelde: check the version of kdepim and kdepim-runtime that you have installed
[21:44] <lex79> or the version of kmail and kontact
[21:44] <neversfelde> lex79: kdepim-runtime is Installiert: 4:4.4.4-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1
[21:44] <neversfelde> and for kmail the same
[21:45] <neversfelde> so something else is wrong
[21:46] <lex79> ls /usr/lib/libkontactinterface.so.4
[21:46] <lex79> what show?
[21:46] <neversfelde> if I am not the only one with this problem, we should probably display a warning on kubuntu.org
[21:47] <neversfelde> lex79: No such file or directory
[21:47] <lex79> strange, do you have kdempilibs5 installed?
[21:47] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: kontact is working on lucid + 4.4.80 :)
[21:48] <neversfelde> lex79: yes, 4:4.4.85-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa2
[21:49]  * shadeslayer_ wonders where kontact goes after minimizing
[21:50] <lex79> I wrong something in kdepimlibs, wait
[21:50] <shadeslayer_> lex79: missing .so in install file?
[21:50] <lex79> no
[21:50] <shadeslayer_> then?
[21:51] <lex79> uhm?
[21:51] <lex79> neversfelde: do you have libkontactinterface4 installed?
[21:52] <shadeslayer_> heh... getting 4MBps down now :P
[21:53] <neversfelde> lex79: no
[21:53] <neversfelde> and after installing it
[21:53] <neversfelde> kontact: error while loading shared libraries: libakonadi-contact.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[21:53] <lex79> I'm going to fix the mess
[21:54] <ScottK> lex79: I'm working on an update to -workspace.
[21:54] <lex79> ScottK: ok
[21:55] <neversfelde> lex79: after installing libakonadi-contact4 everything works fine
[21:55] <Trouble_> I'd like to make a complaint... Beta 2 is a little buggy :-p
[21:55] <shadeslayer_> Trouble_: :)
[21:55] <Trouble_> :-p
[21:56] <shadeslayer_> Trouble_: we can see that :P,but its less buggy than beta 1
[21:56] <lex79> neversfelde: ok, thanks, I'll upload kdepimlibs to ppa shortly
[21:56] <shadeslayer_> good thing we didnt release it in -beta or else there would have been a ton of problems
[21:57] <Trouble_> lol
[21:58] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: how do i restore kontact :P
[21:58] <neversfelde> lex79: thanks for fixing it and again thanks for uploading kdebase, I did not get to it because I missed a test
[21:58] <neversfelde> shadeslayer_: restore?
[21:58] <lex79> no problem
[21:58] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: like i minimized/clicked the x at the top,and now i cant see it anywhere,the notifier still shows that its running rhough
[21:59] <shadeslayer_> *though
[21:59] <neversfelde> shadeslayer_: you should configure kmail to be present in the try everytime
[21:59] <neversfelde> s/try/tray
[22:00] <Trouble_> Thanks for packaging beta 2 btw! I don't think any of you get enough thanks!
[22:01] <shadeslayer_> Trouble_: we did package beta 1 too,just didnt release it officially :P
[22:02] <shadeslayer_> neversfelde: thanks :D
[22:03] <Trouble_> shadeslayer_: Thank you for that too :-p
[22:03] <shadeslayer_> hehe :D
[22:03] <Trouble_> I did notice you packaging beta 1, didn't realise it was complete
[22:03] <Trouble_> Glad I didn't install it tho' :-p
[22:03] <Trouble_> Beta 2 is alright really
[22:04] <shadeslayer_> yeah..
[22:07] <Trouble_> 4.4.4 Netbook was pretty buggy for me anyway, so I'm sure 4.5 beta 2 is an improvement :-p
[22:32] <shadeslayer_> btw https://edge.launchpad.net/rekonq needs more info :P
[22:47] <EagleScreen> anyone has test Kubuntu + webkit in KDE 4.5? it is suposed to work, this could be a better choice than switch to Rekonq
[22:48] <EagleScreen> I mean webkit in Konqueror 4.5
[22:48] <shadeslayer_> EagleScreen: it does work but your late :P
[22:48] <shadeslayer_> EagleScreen: the seeds have already been switched,konqueror has been replaced :P
[22:49] <EagleScreen> well, Rekonq is better than Koqnueror with KHTM
[22:49] <shadeslayer_> EagleScreen: i cant do anything about it,you might want to discuss with Riddell or JontheEchidna 
[22:50] <Riddell> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3998 is enlightening
[22:51] <EagleScreen> if Konqueror still doesn't work with webkit, there is nothing to discuss
[22:54] <tazz> hey guys, i cant find libcaptury-dev package in 10.04 it is mentioned as an optional package for building kdebase-workspace, is there any replacement for this package?
[22:56] <Riddell> it got removed I think
[22:56] <Riddell> upstream deprecated it
[22:57] <shadeslayer_> my upgrade is almost complete :P
[22:57] <shadeslayer_> another min for the download to finish xD
[22:57] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/captury  removed back in karmic
[22:57] <tazz> Ah i see, Riddell do we have a substitute for the package? I am about the modify the documentation, to add a mention.
[22:58] <Riddell> tazz: no, it's not used by upstream any more
[22:58] <Riddell> tazz: which documentation?
[22:58] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: building kde from svn docs
[22:58] <tazz> Riddell, http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Kubuntu_and_Debian
[22:59] <Riddell> tazz: remove any mention, KDE hasn't used it for over a year
[23:00] <tazz> sure. Thanks for helping Riddell 
[23:06] <shadeslayer_> wow...
[23:06] <shadeslayer_> i just found a new feature,press ctr+F8 and drag apps to other desktops
[23:07] <Riddell> nifty this KDE thing :)
[23:07] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: yeah! 
[23:07]  * shadeslayer_ loves this new feature :D
[23:08]  * Trouble_ looks up Gnome
[23:08] <shadeslayer_> the only place gnome will be on my PC is now the Trash Bin :P
[23:10] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: whoa! you can add more desktops too! :D
[23:10] <shadeslayer_> theres a nifty littely + button at the bottom
[23:10] <shadeslayer_> *little
[23:12] <Riddell> clever that
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer_: crtl + F8 has been there since 4.1 :P The + button is new though
[23:12] <shadeslayer_> JontheEchidna: no not that,press Ctrl+F8 and you can drag apps to other desktops
[23:12] <shadeslayer_> that wasnt there before
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> was here
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> only maximized windows didn't work, until they always unmaximized them when you activated the effect
[23:13] <shadeslayer_> hmm... maybe i never tried it then :P
[23:14] <shadeslayer_> My KDE usage jumps to 100 pc whenever theres a beta release around the corner and keeps deteriorating after the actual release xD
[23:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no overwrite errors in this release \o/
[23:17] <Riddell> amazing isn't it?  a slick release all round I think
[23:17] <Riddell> well done shadeslayer and lex79 on that
[23:17] <shadeslayer> :D
[23:17] <shadeslayer> ok brb... kernel needs a reboot :)
[23:26] <shadeslayer> well... apart from the right click issue,everything is kool :D
[23:35] <lex79> I don't remember if kubuntu-dev application needs sponsors, like core-dev applications
[23:37] <lex79> ok found, it needs
[23:37] <Riddell> always good to make our decision easier
[23:41] <shadeslayer> lex79: there definitely seems to be a issue with right click in systray
[23:42] <shadeslayer> with only a few apps though
[23:42] <lex79> with all apps? I don't have problems here
[23:42] <lex79> ah
[23:42] <shadeslayer> kmail works but klipper doesnt :P
[23:43] <shadeslayer> the sound icon doesnt work too....
[23:43] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136462 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/workeracquire.cpp No need to cast to int here
[23:43] <lex79> maybe dbus menu issue, I don't know
[23:43] <lex79> klipper works here with right click
[23:44] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136463 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/workeracquire.cpp Reset m_calculatingSpeed to "true" when starting a new fetch
[23:44] <lex79> Riddell: you should start to retry with kdepimlibs
[23:44] <lex79> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu1
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> backporting libdbusmenu-qt 0.3.3 will fix it
[23:45] <lex79> shadeslayer: are you in lucid?
[23:45] <shadeslayer> yes
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> we had the same issue in maverick until I updated libdbusmenu the other day
[23:46] <Riddell> lex79: done
[23:46] <Riddell> anything else?
[23:46] <lex79> nope for now, the other packages needs kdepimlibs first
[23:47] <lex79> shadeslayer: can you do libdbusmenu-qt 0.3.3 backport?
[23:47] <lex79> and upload to beta ppa
[23:47] <shadeslayer> lex79: wheres the source?
[23:48] <shadeslayer> i can have a look and try :)
[23:48] <lex79> in launchpad
[23:49] <shadeslayer> lex79: https://edge.launchpad.net/libdbusmenu-qt
[23:49] <shadeslayer> right?
[23:49] <lex79> uhm
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdbusmenu-qt
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> can grab the maverick packaging from there
[23:50] <shadeslayer> yeah im just copying the dsc url :P
[23:53] <shadeslayer> E: libdbusmenu-qt source: missing-build-dependency quilt (>= 0.46-7~)
[23:53] <shadeslayer> hmm...
[23:53] <shadeslayer> should i just ignore that?
[23:53] <lex79> uhm weird https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu1/+build/1784027
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: removing the versioning from the build-dep should fix it
[23:57] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: quilt has no version associated with it
[23:57] <shadeslayer> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.3), cmake, libqt4-dev, quilt, libqjson-dev, pkg-config
[23:58]  * Riddell snoozes
[23:58] <lex79> Riddell: kdepim? uploaded?
[23:59] <shadeslayer> hehe :P