[00:00] lex79: for accessibility? [00:00] yes [00:01] lex79: i can pastebin the diff for the 2 branches if you want [00:06] lex79: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeaccessibility/ubuntu/+merge/27093 [00:07] shadeslayer: ok, I will look soon [00:07] lex79: its not complete yet,do i need to add a conflicts too? [00:07] no, I can do [00:08] lex79: hmm.. ok as you wish... ill just update the package in ninja ppa [00:08] kk [00:08] Riddell: Good [00:21] lex79: im going to sleep,can you package the lucid version of kdeaccessibility ? [00:21] yes [00:21] thanks :) === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ [00:22] shadeslayer: btw no need (<< 4:4.4.85) in conflicts or replaces, since kttsd is gone [00:22] lex79: ah ok [00:22] ;) [01:01] oh they bumped soversion of liblancelot [01:01] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136109 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/qaptbatch.cpp Actually set the speed text to the downloadSpeed QString we make. :/ [01:04] JontheEchidna: can't we ship lancelot dev libraries? [01:04] lex79: Nothing uses them, and Debian and us came to the agreement that it's not worth it [01:05] since in the past there have been ABI breaks without .so version bumps, and general .so weirdness [01:05] IIRC upstream even agreed. [01:06] ok [01:10] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136110 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/utils/qapt-batch/ (detailswidget.cpp detailswidget.h) Don't shows the speed label unless the speed is above zero. [01:12] ^So I can either say "Speed: 0 KiB/s" at the start of the download, when APT doesn't have an estimate yet, or I can hide the label whenever speed hits 0 KiB/s, which would cover this scenario but also have the effect of hiding the speed label any time the download speed legitimately is zero [01:15] The first solution is inaccurate, but more informative if in the middle of a download the speed reaches zero, while the second solution prevents inaccurate info being presented, but presents less info if the download speed reaches zero in the middle of the download [01:16] The difference is that APT will always have a time at the start of a download where it reports zero, whereas the case where a user's download hits zero is not as certain [01:16] So that's why I went with the above commit [01:16] Any suggestions for a better solution are welcome [01:21] JontheEchidna: It's just a thought, since "the case where a user's download hits zero is not as certain" but APT will always have a time at the start...maybe when label is 0 Kib/s could show "Calculating..." or something like that [01:23] Ideally the apt fetcher would return -1 when it's calculating, and 0 when the download really is zero, but that's a bit out of our control I think [01:24] I think so [01:24] JontheEchidna: Can you set a flag the first time you get a non-zero download speed and then show zero if the flag is set? [01:25] (and the speed is zero again) [01:25] that could work [01:25] I think hiding the legit zeros would confuse users, so it's worth the added complexity. [01:26] Hmm, I wonder if I could get an upstream apt patch for returning -1 while still calculating... [01:26] looks like a one-liner [01:26] You'd have to patch everything that relied on the existing return value too. [01:27] hrm, yeah... [01:27] stupid old apis [01:27] Well, your solution should work elegantly, even if it is sad that we have to do it that way [01:28] I could do this inside the qapt library so that nobody else using it has to figure it out [01:28] "The fail stops here" [01:33] Good plan. [01:46] I got sold but I'm not soldier *sing* ^^ [02:01] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1136115 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (5 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed) [02:01] In the fetcher constructor, add a m_calculatingSpeed bool that is initialized to [02:01] true. Once the download starts (but before we get > 0 speeds from apt), set the [02:01] ScottK: thanks === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [04:23] Riddell: gpsd MIR is approved. I'm going to look at updating packages for it. Please pre-promote it so they'll build in the archive. === a1 is now known as al [09:42] o/ [11:06] nobody going to put their name forward for coucil elections? [11:07] lex79: think of the power! [11:07] Mamarok: think of the glory [11:07] Quintasan|Szel: it could be yours! [11:07] ryanakca: you could be famous! [11:08] Riddell: I don't think I need glory :) === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Alpha 1 released! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Ninjas 4.5 beta 2 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | Kubuntu Council Needs You for election candidate | speakers wanted https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [11:08] now you do, you're not in the /topic any more :) [11:09] Mamarok: you do have a good feel for the community and good upstream links [11:09] nah, not sure, it comes with a lot of responsabilities, and sessions and stuff [11:09] it really doesn't [11:09] hm, how much time to think do I have? [11:09] until next monday [11:10] short... [11:10] (unless nobody puts their name forward and it gets extended) [11:11] jussi: one more council doesn't hurt :) [11:12] Riddell, on my side I havent been active enough recently to apply :) [11:12] Riddell, sadly, real life consumes a lot of time nowadays :( [11:13] bah [11:14] Riddell, though I still expect to get more free time soon... just I have no visibility on that point [11:15] Riddell, anyway, I used to be a council member so if you need a name, I'll apply [11:15] rgreening, nhandler, neversfelde, nixternal: fame, power and glory awaits! [11:17] debfx: being a council member makes you really fancyable [11:19] lol [11:19] I was mulling it over anyway [11:19] If peoples want me.. :) [11:20] everyone wants you jussi! [11:21] well hat is in the ring now :) [11:22] a|wen: you wouldn't want jussi to feel all alone would you? [11:23] Riddell: how many spots are we filling? [11:23] three [11:23] not at all ... hi jussi! [11:23] hi a|wen [11:24] (that's a hint about putting your name forward for kubuntu council incase you missed it a|wen :) [11:24] txwikinger2 and txwikinger3: you could put both your names forward! [11:25] * Riddell suspects ScottK is still alergic to the idea [11:27] Probably, although perhaps less so than in the past. [11:29] (ahh ... sadly I don't have that much time currently, so maybe it shouldn't be this time around) [11:29] a meeting every few weeks isn't much time [11:31] true; but starting new job soon, I've promised myself not to engage in too many new activities, until I find out if there is room for it in the new schedule [11:32] but I'll do my best to still show up at kubuntu meetings and help around [11:40] Riddell: I don't think that I've been around enough lately to put myself forward. Maybe next time around. [12:01] ScottK: gpsd moved to main [12:01] Riddell: Great. I think I've about got workspace sorted for it. [12:03] !info gpsd [12:03] gpsd (source: gpsd): Global Positioning System - daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.92-4 (lucid), package size 88 kB, installed size 208 kB [12:03] ahh :) [12:11] Riddell: symbol files for -workspace need fixing and I don't have the time. [12:12] ScottK: just commit to bzr with a large TODO in the changelog [12:12] and comment on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging [12:13] Will do. [12:55] meh, beta 2 release happening today [12:56] neversfelde, lex79: how's kdebase and kdemultimedia? [12:56] kdemultimedia is in ninja [12:56] lovely [12:57] kdebase dunno, neversfelde was on it yesterday [12:57] * Riddell dist-upgrades [13:07] Riddell: I still have upgrade, you should see if marble and digikam work [13:07] ah and maybe if kdepim work since I built 4.4.4 against kdepimlibs 4.4.85 [13:08] will do [13:08] also installing lucid so i can test that properly [13:08] ok [13:09] jussi: +1 :) [13:10] shadeslayer: now you just have to find someone else to nominate themselves and we'll have a council who can make you a member :) [13:10] Riddell: hehe :P [13:10] Riddell: what about apachelogger ? [13:10] he's already on [13:10] from last year, still got a year to go [13:10] ah ok.. [13:11] \o/ [13:14] anybody on lucid that can test a few SRU's? [13:14] JontheEchidna: fire away [13:15] JontheEchidna: sure; and even have a kubuntu lucid VM I'm testing some more stuff in right now [13:15] shadeslayer: bug 578215, install kubuntu-default-settings from lucid-proposed, create a new user, and see if file indexing is disabled in System Settings -> advanced -> semantic desktop [13:15] Launchpad bug 578215 in kdebase-runtime (Ubuntu Lucid) "virtuoso-t eats my cpu, should be nice" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/578215 [13:15] nepomuk should still be enabled, but file indexing should be unchecked [13:16] bug 588709: ensure that kpackagekit doesn't depend on kdebase-workspace-bin [13:16] Launchpad bug 588709 in kpackagekit (Ubuntu Lucid) "KPackageKit depends on kdebase-workspace-bin uneccessarily" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/588709 [13:16] after apt-get updating after enabling lucid-proposed [13:16] JontheEchidna: i probably have that package [13:17] just apt-cache show kpackagekit and see if 0.5.4-0ubuntu4.1 depends on kpackagekit [13:17] JontheEchidna: i have 1:10.04ubuntu23.1 from updates [13:17] shadeslayer: ah, you'll want 1:10.04ubuntu23.2. Must not be there yet [13:17] yeah i have proposed enabled.... [13:17] still building and/or waiting to be published [13:18] should be there today [13:18] morning Riddell [13:18] JontheEchidna: same thing for kpk [13:18] i have 0.5.4-0ubuntu4 [13:19] neversfelde: I'm doing kdebase [13:20] lex79: hehe :P [13:21] Riddell: whats the fame/power/glory awaiting us? [13:21] JontheEchidna: btw can i just remove the .kde dir to test it out? [13:22] shadeslayer: yeah [13:22] rgreening: should you put your name forward for the kubuntu council [13:22] umm.. I have a year left.. so I was planning on staying on [13:22] Riddell: btw there were alread 3 nominations , you,neversfelde and jussi :) [13:23] now there are 4 :P [13:23] rgreening: oh aye, never mind the [13:23] Riddell: :) [13:24] I haz the fame power and glory for another 300+ days :) [13:24] rgreening: you will probably get re-elected :P [13:25] Riddell: btw kubuntu members can vote any number of times,right? [13:25] for different candidates... [13:25] it'll be a concordant thingy vote [13:39] Riddell: condorcet? [13:51] maco: could well be [13:52] silly Riddell [13:52] * maco hugs [13:56] lex79: KDE SC works, marble works, digikam works but i can't work out how to get it to use marble [13:57] don't look at me, I dont use that stuff :P [13:57] still no blur behind the transparent plasma bits [13:57] kde bug 240956 [13:57] KDE bug 240956 in compositing "Blur effect loads but doesn't work if FBO status is not GL_FRAMEBUFFER_COMPLETE_EXT" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=240956 [13:58] I'm reuploading kdelibs, kdoctools should depends on kdelibs5-data [13:58] ^the problem intel users are facing [13:58] need to fox kphotoalbum mess [13:58] blur works here with nvidia [13:58] kontact loads but adding an item to the calendar crashes it :( [13:59] kmail? [14:00] I don't know if I have any e-mail accounts to test kmail with [14:00] Riddell: do you use imap or pop? [14:00] without any accounts I use neither :) [14:00] you have accounts! [14:01] if you use imap on one of 'em just, make kmail use that same account with imap [14:01] like, say, your gmail [14:01] my gmail has too many e-mails in it for kmail to like [14:01] let me try my canonical account [14:01] lol [14:01] * shadeslayer never understood the need to fetch mail on your disk when all of it can be in the ' cloud ' [14:02] Riddell: heh same here :P [14:02] there's a point where that happens? [14:02] i delete old mails every 6mo, so i "only" have 665mb in use for my gmail [14:02] maco: you abviously havent seen the number of emails in riddels inbox... [14:02] JontheEchidna: im pulling in the new kubuntu-default-settings now [14:03] hehe... [14:03] it takes about 12 hours to sync when i setup dimap with it on a new computer [14:03] * jussi remembers seeing it at UDS... [14:03] i could fit all of my mail onto a CD right now :P [14:04] JontheEchidna: no new kpk [14:04] groovy, kmail works with imap [14:05] Riddell: *real* imap? or just dimap? [14:05] real imap [14:05] ooh, thats nice!!! [14:05] what do you mean "just dimap" isn't dimap more buggy in general? [14:05] jussi: whats dimap? [14:05] disconnected imap [14:05] hmm.. [14:08] neversfelde: kdebase uploaded [14:13] Riddell: as long as ive used kde, dimap's been the one that actually works [14:13] hmm, commands freezing on my console [14:13] Riddell: regular imap crashed kmail if you tried to delete >1 email at a time [14:14] yeah, that [14:20] woah i have over 1 gig in my gmail account o.O [14:20] need to delete some of them [14:24] ScottK: I'm not seeing a commit from you for kdebase-workspace in bzr [14:29] ehlo shadeslayer do you run an N900 now too? [14:29] seen you in maemo :) [14:29] ghostcube: hehe :P [14:29] ghostcube: no i just saw the maemo announcement and was downloading the ISO :P [14:29] ah ok :) [14:30] brb [14:32] Riddell: why would I do that? :p === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [14:36] JontheEchidna: confirmed,strigi is disabled but nepomuk is enabled [14:36] shadeslayer: thanks. please leave a comment on the bug to that effecgt [14:36] *effect [14:36] sure.. i dont remember the bug number though :) [14:36] bug 578215 [14:36] Launchpad bug 578215 in kdebase-runtime (Ubuntu Lucid) "virtuoso-t eats my cpu, should be nice" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/578215 [14:37] Riddell: I think we have very good nominations and I am too stretched at the moment [14:37] * txwikinger needs to rebuild the LoCo [14:37] JontheEchidna: nope not that one :) [14:37] shadeslayer: yeah, that one :) [14:38] ok :) [14:38] JontheEchidna: i thought it was 578215 [14:38] yes... that's what I posted :) [14:38] oh right :)D [14:40] brb, rebooting to see if the ldap stuff I did on the server works [14:54] lex79: beta 2 working lovely for lucid [14:56] Riddell: something wrong with the build system? [14:56] * txwikinger wonders about those funny failures in the e-mails [14:56] txwikinger: what build system? [14:56] Riddell: Launchpad === amichair is now known as amichairo [14:57] hum [14:57] I think it is for ninja-ppas [14:57] I haven't sent anything up.. just got these e-mails that did not make sense to me [14:58] * txwikinger needs to go to a meeting [14:58] too many uploads happening too quick, launchpad gets confused [14:59] ah [14:59] * Riddell throws up digikam for lucid to make it even more confused [14:59] rofl [15:00] meeting is delayed :) [15:03] * shadeslayer gets cracking on Digital Electronics === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ === amichairo is now known as amichair === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [15:33] lex79: you forgot to prune-nonfree in soprano [15:34] lex79, shadeslayer_: I'm going to start uploading to maverick if you guys have no objections [15:34] Riddell: everything in bzr is good to go imo [15:34] well.. if lex added the kttsd replaces/conflicts :P [15:36] he did indeed [15:36] Riddell: awesome :) [15:36] totally awesome [15:40] is 4.5 already in an ppa? [15:40] kubotu: np [15:40] shadeslayer_ listened to ""complicated" (avril lavigne)" by Avril Lavigne 13 days ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/5o4cq6gKFAbR1V7wITwB7n] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more [15:40] ghostcube: yes [15:41] shadeslayer_: which one is it in? [15:41] havent found it till now :| [15:41] ninjas [15:41] ghostcube: its in the experimental ppa,use with caution [15:41] ahh ok [15:41] :) [15:41] going to test later ;) [15:41] thx [15:42] ghostcube: have fun :) [15:42] :) [15:42] ghostcube: you might want to use sudo apt-get -f install to fix stuff :P [15:42] shadeslayer_: hehe like always :) [15:42] :P [15:42] i even use apt-get on my maemo but its not recommended [15:42] :D [15:43] hmmm but i bet moving .kde is again the trick :) [15:43] ghostcube: got a torrent for maemo? [15:43] * shadeslayer_ wont do the ftp dance again.. [15:43] nope i just caught the iso and flashed my nokia [15:43] sorry [15:44] ghostcube: oh no problems :) [15:44] but i may can upload the image if i find it [15:44] :) [15:44] ghostcube: well the image is already there on FTP... [15:44] i want a torrent :P [15:44] hehe [15:49] kubotu: np [15:49] shadeslayer_ listened to ""complicated" (avril lavigne)" by Avril Lavigne 13 days ago; [http://open.spotify.com/track/5o4cq6gKFAbR1V7wITwB7n] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more [15:49] heh... === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [16:19] * Riddell ponders between beta and experimental PPA for 4.5 beta 2 lucid [16:19] it should go in beta all things being to beta quality [16:19] and my test on my netbook here shows it's of good quality [16:19] unlike beta 1 [16:22] Riddell: awesome,release beta 2 already then :P [16:22] it's being uploaded to maverick now [16:23] still finishing my lucid testing and waiting on digikam to compile [16:23] Riddell: oh i meant lucid [16:30] Riddell: hmm... do we care about armel builds? [16:32] Riddell: There's other workspace stuff still needed besides the symbol file stuff. [16:33] bah.. nvm [16:33] Working on it. [16:33] ScottK: btw i nominated you for KC,hope your ok with that [16:35] shadeslayer_: I am. [16:35] :) [16:36] for asdf in attica cmake digikam eigen2 gluon kde4libs kdeaccessibility kdeadmin kdeartwork kdebase kdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace kdebindings kdeedu kdegames kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdepimlibs kdeplasma-addons kdesdk kdetoys kdeutils kdevelop kdevplatform kdewebdev libmsn meta-kde oxygen-icons phonon pkg-kde-tools python-qt4 qscintilla2 qt4-x11 qtcreator qtwebkit shared-desktop-ontologies sip4-qt3 soprano; do echo ${asdf}; copy-pa [16:36] that should keep it busy [16:37] Riddell: I had the fame, the power, and the glory...actually I like to think I did, but anyways, I have been on the KC already, let new people in...nobody wants the second longest kubuntu developer anyways [16:38] Riddell: did you fix soprano? [16:38] lex79: I removed the .jars from the .orig [16:39] kk [16:40] ** testers needed for KDE SC 4.5 beta 2 on 10.04 [16:40] Riddell: where is it located? [16:40] o/ [16:40] exactly, where is it... [16:40] :D [16:40] willing to test as well [16:41] jussi: :P [16:41] jussi: probably in beta ppa :) [16:41] Riddell, i'm installing now :-) [16:41] rbelem: from ninjas? [16:41] rbelem: from where? [16:41] from ninjas :-) [16:41] it's being copied into kubuntu-ppa/beta but it's not done yet [16:42] right, please let us know when its doen :) [16:45] * jussi has a nice bottle of this... http://farm1.static.flickr.com/9/12301861_26fdf19bc9.jpg looks like till be a nice night :D [16:45] what is it? [16:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut_brandy [16:48] Ive the 3 star stuff though :D [16:55] hmm, maverick getting quite broken [16:56] Riddell: X stuff? [16:56] I didn't realise 4.5 beta 2 had been packaged for 10.04! [16:56] I was keeping an eye on the Wiki [16:56] Downloading and installing now... [16:57] ScottK: lower, processes stop responding [16:57] Ouch. [16:57] Trouble: it's not announced yet. where are you downloading from? [16:58] Ninjas [16:59] so am I now allowed to say "well here's Trouble..." :P ? [16:59] Only if I cause a fuss :-p [16:59] jussi: rofl [17:00] Riddell: akonadi wont upgrade with dist upgrade as of now.. from beta ppa [17:01] I thought 4.5 beta 2 hasn't finished copying to beta ppa yet? [17:01] Trouble: it isnt.. [17:01] im just saying :) [17:01] :-p [17:03] it'll need the new qt [17:04] heh get this,India is carrying out a census and all of us will get a Unique ID,and guess who is handling the backend for storage and stuff... [17:05] we'll never know [17:06] lol [17:07] lex79: eh? [17:07] shadeslayer: we're all waiting to find out who's running the census [17:08] Riddell: ah.. [17:08] :) [17:08] Riddell: Microsoft :P [17:08] boo [17:08] Now all my personal info is in the hands of people whom i dont trust :P [17:09] kubuntu-ppa/beta should be published now [17:09] who wants to try it out? [17:09] Riddell: you need to upload meta-kde first... [17:09] maybe eh [17:09] Installed.... Rebooting... [17:09] meta-kde - 5:62ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa3 is in [17:10] Trouble: really? that was suspiciously fast [17:10] Riddell: installling now from the Bate PPA. [17:10] Riddell, are the packages the same from ninjas? [17:10] JANET ;-) [17:10] ah I mean in maverick, but you already uploaded, nevermind [17:10] Downloading took seconds [17:10] rbelem: yes [17:11] Riddell: Installing took a little longer [17:11] Anyway brb (hopefully) [17:12] stupid irssi and my net connection.... [17:13] packages are in beta ppa :) [17:14] at the moment it is saying i need to remove 14 packages [17:14] Oooo this is nice [17:14] mfraz74: can you pastebin those? [17:14] Trouble: yay! [17:14] seems to be working fine here :) [17:15] http://pastebin.com/NXq7aHxW [17:15] mine is http://www.kubuntu.pastebin.com/VTPxrzDe [17:16] Riddell: In kinfocenter, it seems just to have the files listed in kinfocenter.install.linux and not the ones in kinfocenter.install. (this is workspace). I can't see why that would be. Could you have a look? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:16] mfraz74: that's all good, they're all packages which have gone away, carry on [17:16] riddell: OK thanks [17:17] updating [17:17] I'm liking the new system tray icons [17:18] hrm... [17:18] its trying to remove xbmc... [17:18] freespacenotifier kdebase-plasma kdepimlibs-data kdesnake libkfontinst4 libkonqsidebarplugin4 libkwineffects1 libmarble4 libplasma-applet-system-monitor4 libplasmaclock4 [17:18] libprocesscore4 libprocessui4 libqt4-assistant libqt4-phonon libsmokekde4-3 libtaskmanager4 libweather-ion4 plasma-widget-daisy plasma-widget-smooth-tasks xbmc xbmc-data [17:18] xbmc-skin-confluence xbmc-web [17:19] jussi: 0_o [17:19] Ouch. [17:19] i wonder what would have a conflict with xbmc.... [17:19] what is xbmc? [17:19] Riddell: its a media center app [17:19] like windows media center [17:20] Riddell: xBox Media Center :P [17:20] and why is smooth tasks going away? is it now integrated? [17:20] hope it fixes the odd problems i've been having with device notifyer [17:20] my apt-cache knows nothing about it [17:20] if I have a .so.#.#.# that I ship in some package... what/where/how do I make the symlink from just the .so -> .so.#.#.# ? [17:21] is that in the post install script? [17:21] or does the symlink also get packaged up? [17:21] Riddell: yeah theres a seprate ppa forit [17:21] shtylman: the build system will make the symlink [17:21] and ship in the .deb [17:21] shtylman: in the install file [17:22] gotcha.. so I need to make the buildsystem make a symlink on 'install' basically [17:22] shtylman: the buildsystem will make the symlink when it makes the library [17:22] Riddell: depends on the buildsystem right? [17:22] assuming the buildsystem is at all sane and it really is a shared library and not a plugin or whatever [17:22] right [17:23] it should also make the .so.# so apps can link at runtime [17:24] I just added the backports-beta-ppa repo. Now I have 104 blocked updates. :-) [17:24] darthfrog: how are you trying to update? [17:25] kpackagekit [17:25] downloading and installing beta2 now [17:25] darthfrog: try from konsole [17:26]