| === rackIT is now known as rackIT_AFK | ||
| === bobbert is now known as Guest32390 | ||
| Lzy | Key, is their anything like kde-core still around? I'm looking for a barebones kde installation | 00:17 |
|---|---|---|
| Lzy | *Hey | 00:17 |
| shadeslayer | Lzy: kde-minimal might be of help | 00:18 |
| shadeslayer | there might be even a kde-standard :P | 00:18 |
| shadeslayer | or something like that | 00:18 |
| shadeslayer | yeah kde-standard :) | 00:19 |
| Lzy | Thanks shadesslayer, i would install kubuntu as itself but somethings drains my entire battery within an hour, i'm hoping a barebones kde doesn't :( | 00:19 |
| shadeslayer | Lzy: hmm.. idk about that,but i would suggest changing the power profile | 00:20 |
| Lzy | This was on xtreme powersaver :/ | 00:20 |
| shadeslayer | Lzy: how old is the battery? | 00:20 |
| Lzy | 3 weeks | 00:20 |
| shadeslayer | \o/ | 00:20 |
| Lzy | I'm currently testing ubuntu with gnome and my battery will last for about 4 hours whilst playing music and web surfing | 00:21 |
| Lzy | But my love is with kde, so i want to have it one way or another | 00:21 |
| === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ | ||
| shadeslayer_ | Lzy: hehe :P | 00:22 |
| shadeslayer_ | dunno what will help :( | 00:22 |
| Lzy | See what i don't understand, if this was present in all Kubuntu 10.4 installation it would be a very critical bug that would have been squashed a long time ago | 00:22 |
| Lzy | But by the looks of it, i'm the only one experiencing it :( | 00:23 |
| shadeslayer_ | Lzy: im going to sleep,sorry have to leave it mid way :) | 00:23 |
| wedo | how to enable file sharing between two kubuntu machines on wireless network | 00:26 |
| cynewave | Anyone here good with sound problems? | 00:28 |
| Lzy | Got it, theirs kde-minimal (going to try this), kde-standard and kde-full. | 00:28 |
| cynewave | Ok - anyone here with an idea of where to go to find someone good at sound issues? | 00:29 |
| cynewave | My sound works but only with one application at a time... | 00:30 |
| Lzy | cynewave: Goto System Settings > Multimedia and move pulseaudio up to the top | 00:31 |
| Lzy | This person had the same problem and it worked for him/her: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1495482 | 00:32 |
| cynewave | First - Thanks. Second - Don't have pulseaudio, just HDA intel analog, then HDA digital, then Jack Audio | 00:33 |
| Lzy | cynewave: I'm browsing various threads on this issue (quite a few people have it) theirs another solution you could try, i'm afraid i wouldn't really know how to diagnose the root cause of this | 00:36 |
| Lzy | http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9163504 | 00:37 |
| Lzy | I have to have my headphones plugged in to hear anything, my internal speakers aren't working :( Not the only one with a sound issue lol | 00:41 |
| Lzy | I want to enable the power management plasmoid in the system tray but it is greyed out, what do i do to enable it? | 00:57 |
| === root is now known as Guest1350 | ||
| Guest1350 | any ideas how to install the desktop effects in backtrack4 when i hit the install desktop effects button says command not found | 01:00 |
| cynewave | Lzy - which threads did you find on this? | 01:04 |
| Guest1350 | ??? | 01:04 |
| cynewave | Also - Lzy - I think your power management plasmoid needs to be configured to point to the correct device. if what it's managing is invalid it will be greyed out | 01:07 |
| Lzy | cnewave: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:ubuntuforums.org+ubuntu+sound+only+works+one+app+at+a+time&sa=X&ei=X9sOTMG1DaH-0gTZ1bWNDg&ved=0CBkQrQIwAA | 01:08 |
| Lzy | Quite a few of them have been tagged as solved | 01:08 |
| Lzy | It's definatly detected my battery | 01:09 |
| === pavel_ is now known as estres | ||
| wedo | how to enable file sharing between two kubuntu machines on wireless network | 01:14 |
| Lzy | wedo: YOu can set up sharing via the sharing module in syste preferences | 01:25 |
| wedo | Lzy: i cant find any options there but the user and password | 01:25 |
| Lzy | wedo: Have you checked out the network folder? | 01:28 |
| Lzy | You can add a network place from their | 01:28 |
| wedo | Lzy: i cant config the sharing folders, i cant make the folders shared | 01:29 |
| Lzy | SO right clicking a file > properties > sharing dosn't do anything? | 01:32 |
| wedo | Lzy: there are coniguration option but when click on it does not give anything | 01:40 |
| === elijah is now known as Guest14490 | ||
| === ussher is now known as ussher_ | ||
| ussher_ | on kubuntu 10.04 clicking alt+F1 will bring up the contents of the K menu, is there any way to do the same action to show the desktop widget contents? (i have a desktop folder widget next to the K menu) | 01:53 |
| Breetai | I have had 2 computers in the last day where kopete shows all yahoo contacts as signed in but no one is reachable. A reboot takes care of it. Anyone else seen this behaviour. | 01:55 |
| doleyb | Hi when I had karmic I could play dvds with dragon, but now in lucid the Play Disc button does nothing. What should I do? | 02:26 |
| beelzebu | hola | 02:32 |
| beelzebu | al gun dj? | 02:33 |
| beelzebu | por aka | 02:33 |
| === david is now known as Guest81270 | ||
| === Guest81270 is now known as anditosan | ||
| anditosan | I have a sony vaio vpceb11fm with an intel hd sound card that I can't configure | 02:41 |
| anditosan | [19:40] <anditosan> I installed the updated alsa drivers and the problem persists | 02:41 |
| anditosan | [19:40] <anditosan> can you help me> | 02:41 |
| anditosan | [19:40] <anditosan> ? | 02:41 |
| FloodBotK1 | anditosan: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. | 02:41 |
| anditosan | sorry | 02:41 |
| anditosan | I didn;t want to type everything again | 02:41 |
| === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler | ||
| ussher_ | doleyb: Ive had good luck with playing stuff with 'vlc' it seams to play everything. | 03:20 |
| doleyb | Yes well, I'd like to have other programs work just on principle. dragon used to work in karmic, so it still should in lucid. | 03:24 |
| Swiftpaw | Test | 03:30 |
| ershad | Could you help me to install a theme downloaded from kde-look.org? It's a tar.gz archive which contains a .qss and .bespin files. I'm running KDE 4.4.4. | 03:31 |
| Swiftpaw | New at this myself. Wish I could help. :/ | 03:33 |
| ershad | Swiftpaw: :) | 03:33 |
| ershad | I couldn't find an option to install theme. | 03:34 |
| Swiftpaw | To be honest this is the first time I've ever used IRC althought I've chatted in games a lot. I downloaded a theme from the Ubuntu website and it worked fine even though it didn't specifically list Kubuntu compatible. | 03:35 |
| Swiftpaw | Did it download the theme into a folder or do you not know where it is? | 03:36 |
| Swiftpaw | Using Konquerer or Firefox? | 03:36 |
| ershad | I'm using Firefox | 03:39 |
| ershad | and downloaded as usual, to a directory | 03:40 |
| ershad | I mean, to the default ~/Downloads dir | 03:40 |
| Swiftpaw | Oh, the only themes I've installed were using the Add-ons selection on the tools tab. They have a lot of nice ones there but if you have a custom one I have no clue. Sorry. :( | 03:43 |
| ershad | It's alrigt, Thank you :) | 03:44 |
| ershad | Swiftpaw: may be because I have not installed an application to install KDE themes? | 03:53 |
| Swiftpaw | What is the main difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu? Have to say the reason I stuck with Kubuntu was because it worked better with Youtube and Hulu. | 03:54 |
| Swiftpaw | I didn't download anything to install my themes though, although I did download quite a few packages and it may have been in one of them. How do you send a private message? | 03:57 |
| ershad | in irc ? | 03:57 |
| Swiftpaw | Yes | 03:57 |
| Swiftpaw | I guess I mean how did you make your message to me yellow? :/ | 03:58 |
| Swiftpaw | er orange. | 03:58 |
| ershad | Mention your name, | 03:58 |
| ershad | like this : Swiftpaw | 03:58 |
| Swiftpaw | Ah, kk. Thanks. | 03:58 |
| Swiftpaw | Do you have the basic Kubuntu install or have you downloaded other packages? | 03:59 |
| ershad | Swiftpaw: I did a custom install, by specifiying only the required packages | 04:00 |
| ershad | I running KDE in Ubuntu machine | 04:00 |
| ershad | 10.04, to be precise | 04:00 |
| Swiftpaw | ershad Oh, I downloaded the recommended packages but I installed some more for java, flash, and video too. But that doesn't sound like it would require anything like that. :/ | 04:02 |
| === rackIT_AFK is now known as rackIT | ||
| Swiftpaw | afk | 04:02 |
| ershad | Swiftpaw: yeah,. | 04:02 |
| Swiftpaw | ershad Found this on firefox help. Not sure how it will come out but you may want to try. You are asked to download the add-on, rather than installing it | 04:19 |
| Swiftpaw | Some websites serve add-ons as downloads, requiring you to download the file to your computer, before installing it. | 04:19 |
| Swiftpaw | * These files are usually .xpi or .jar files. | 04:19 |
| Swiftpaw | 1. Download the file to your local computer. | 04:19 |
| Swiftpaw | 2. In the menu at the top of the Firefox window, click the Tools menu, and select Add-ons. The Add-ons window is displayed. | 04:19 |
| FloodBotK1 | Swiftpaw: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. | 04:19 |
| Swiftpaw | 3. To add the downloaded add-on to the list of available add-ons, drag and drop the file into the Add-ons window. The Add-on is added to the list. | 04:19 |
| Swiftpaw | Oops. Sorry, that was suppose to be to one person but my paste messed it up. :/ | 04:20 |
| ershad | Swiftpaw: I would like to install KDE theme, not firefox theme | 04:20 |
| Swiftpaw | ershad Oh, didn't know KDE had themes. lol I'll have to look that up too. :) | 04:21 |
| ershad | Swiftpaw: :) | 04:22 |
| Swiftpaw | ershad Can I assume the theme goes beyond just the wallpaper? How much more does it change? | 04:23 |
| Smartie | Who's here? | 04:24 |
| Smartie | I have a BURNING question. Anyone want to answer? | 04:24 |
| DarthFrog | Nope. | 04:24 |
| ershad | Swiftpaw: Well, Theme change may result in complete change in colours, buttons and widgets | 04:24 |
| Smartie | dang. | 04:25 |
| rww | !ask | 04:25 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | 04:25 |
| Swiftpaw | Ah, looking at the site now ershad. :) Hopefully they have something here buried somewhere. :) | 04:25 |
| ershad | Swiftpaw: Try this:http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/roxydoxy?content=125979 | 04:26 |
| ershad | Swiftpaw: I was trying to install it | 04:26 |
| Smartie | Ok. Here goes. I am designing a multitouch display and I am running Kubuntu. i am mainly trying to make a keyboard and a periodic table of elements similar to the one at http://www.ptable.com and one I downloaded on my Windows machine called Periodic Table | 04:27 |
| Swiftpaw | ershad Oh oh, I think you got me hooked now too. That one looks pretty sweet. :) | 04:27 |
| Smartie | How would I go about doing that programming? | 04:27 |
| Smartie | hello? | 04:31 |
| Smartie | My internet just had a brownout. Did anyone respond to that question? | 04:34 |
| ershad | Swiftpaw: Ok then, Nice day :) | 04:36 |
| Swiftpaw | ershad Ok, you too. Found some install instructions but for something using applets and stuff. Not sure if it applies to your case. Good luck. | 04:37 |
| Smartie | >Ok. Here goes. I am designing a multitouch display and I am running Kubuntu. i am mainly trying to make a keyboard and a periodic table of elements similar to the one at http://www.ptable.com and one I downloaded on my Windows machine called Periodic Table. How would you go about doing that? | 04:41 |
| === Smartie is now known as ZachTheBuilder | ||
| === ZachTheBuilder is now known as Smartie | ||
| Smartie | >Ok. Here goes. I am designing a multitouch display and I am running Kubuntu. i am mainly trying to make a keyboard and a periodic table of elements similar to the one at http://www.ptable.com and one I downloaded on my Windows machine called Periodic Table | 04:47 |
| === Smartie is now known as Smarite | ||
| Smarite | >Ok. Here goes. I am designing a multitouch display and I am running Kubuntu. i am mainly trying to make a keyboard and a periodic table of elements similar to the one at http://www.ptable.com and one I downloaded on my Windows machine called Periodic Table' | 04:48 |
| Smarite | >Ok. Here goes. I am designing a multitouch display and I am running Kubuntu. i am mainly trying to make a keyboard and a periodic table of elements similar to the one at http://www.ptable.com and one I downloaded on my Windows machine called Periodic Table | 04:48 |
| FloodBotK1 | Smarite: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. | 04:48 |
| rww | !repeat | 04:48 |
| ubottu | Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com/ http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ or http://www.kubuntuforums.net/ while you wait. | 04:48 |
| Smarite | sorry. I have a virus. Its being taken care of. | 04:49 |
| Smarite | sorry. I have a virus. Its being taken care of. | 04:49 |
| Smarite | Aaaaaaand There. sorry. | 04:49 |
| rr6937-aafxfhe | #ubuntu | 04:50 |
| rob____ | hello world | 04:58 |
| Fieldy | !java | 05:09 |
| ubottu | To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java. For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases. | 05:09 |
| === rackIT is now known as rackIT_AFK | ||
| snarkfish | anybody know where sun-java6 dissapeared to? | 05:51 |
| snarkfish | its not in the repo anymore | 05:51 |
| ^Lightning^ | wow. upgrade will take 5 + 'a few' hours with my connection. AND I'm denied another CD. :| | 05:53 |
| snarkfish | what do you mean denied another disc? | 05:54 |
| ^Lightning^ | They won't send me one. | 05:54 |
| ^Lightning^ | And I can't buy. I live in India. | 05:54 |
| ^Lightning^ | Any alternatives? | 05:55 |
| ^Lightning^ | I'm going to try upgrading to 2 mbps for a few hours. | 05:55 |
| snarkfish | download iso burn the cd yourself or make a usb thumbdrive install | 05:55 |
| ^Lightning^ | My connection is 64 kbs. | 05:57 |
| ^Lightning^ | Not happening for me | 05:57 |
| snarkfish | ah | 05:57 |
| snarkfish | yah going to suck bad for you. just start the download goto work come home goto bed itll be done tomorrow | 05:57 |
| ^Lightning^ | It's running at 84-90 kbps now. 4 hours to download. If I don't have another powercut in between I'm good | 06:05 |
| snarkfish | good luck | 06:05 |
| snarkfish | if you can purchase UPS | 06:06 |
| ^Lightning^ | I have one | 06:08 |
| ^Lightning^ | 2 battery. | 06:08 |
| ^Lightning^ | Bt the cuts here are for like an hour each | 06:09 |
| ^Lightning^ | And the UPS is quite old. | 06:09 |
| snarkfish | take you monitor off the ups | 06:09 |
| ^Lightning^ | Laptop. | 06:09 |
| ^Lightning^ | I only run my modem on it | 06:09 |
| ^Lightning^ | When I have a cut | 06:09 |
| snarkfish | laptop plugged in uses like 12 watts.. ups should be able to run for hours with 12 watt drain | 06:09 |
| ^Lightning^ | <^Lightning^> And the UPS is quite old. | 06:10 |
| ^Lightning^ | Thanks for the help anyways | 06:10 |
| snarkfish | yup | 06:11 |
| ^Lightning^ | What distribution are you using? | 06:12 |
| snarkfish | kubuntu 10.4 | 06:12 |
| ^Lightning^ | I'm stuck on Jaunty | 06:12 |
| ^Lightning^ | :( | 06:12 |
| ^Lightning^ | Lifehacker is paying loads of attention to Ubuntu 10.4. Even though KDE is more Lifehacker type. | 06:13 |
| snarkfish | lol | 06:13 |
| ^Lightning^ | 2 hours left. | 06:14 |
| ^Lightning^ | This better be worth it. I'm paying a dollar 20 cents an hour for the upgrade. | 06:15 |
| ^Lightning^ | (speed) | 06:15 |
| snarkfish | dude | 06:16 |
| === pedro is now known as pbc | ||
| === erizo_ is now known as khivah | ||
| ershad | Hello, I'm using KDE 4.4.4, Have some contacts in KAddressbook, but I couldn't access it in kmail. Could you help me to correct it? | 07:44 |
| Lynoure | If I want to start screen locking from the command line, what command should I use? Seems my locking does not work at all, but I have not found the binary that does it yet | 08:13 |
| wllkmbll | Does anyone know how to change konsloe's font? | 08:31 |
| === bourne is now known as br0te | ||
| wedo | hello all | 09:37 |
| wedo | I need help plz | 09:37 |
| wedo | I have two kubuntu machines and want to share files between them, can anybody help plz | 09:37 |
| wedo | I have two kubuntu machines and want to share files between them, can anybody help plz | 09:48 |
| tsimpson | wedo: probably the easiest way is by installing the ssh server on both and using sshfs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS | 09:50 |
| RaGNORAK | !nvidia | 09:52 |
| ubottu | For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto | 09:52 |
| === jfelipe is now known as jfelipe_h | ||
| wedo | tsimpson: I'm not familiar with ssh I wan to enable the normal sharing like between windows machines | 10:11 |
| tsimpson | that's samba, but it's more difficult to setup | 10:11 |
| tsimpson | !samba | 10:11 |
| ubottu | Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT. | 10:11 |
| tsimpson | see the second link (and ignore the word "windows") | 10:11 |
| === ubuntu_ is now known as Claudinux | ||
| ubuntu | aiiiiiiiiiiiiii | 10:58 |
| Lynoure | Yup, my screen locking only works once per boot :( | 10:58 |
| Lynoure | Any ideas of what to do to fix it? | 10:59 |
| ubuntu | yes............ | 10:59 |
| Lynoure | ubuntu: ok, what then? | 11:00 |
| === Waleed is now known as Guest49036 | ||
| AhmedBH | hi, i cant take my windows to another desktop with button 1 on a cube but works fine when i select walls, WHY ? | 11:08 |
| === nacer_ is now known as nacer | ||
| wedo_ | hello | 11:27 |
| wedo_ | i did a mv command to a folder and it did not mv to the dest but its gone , how can I get it back | 11:29 |
| larsjaaa | Hi, anyone know why CTRL-L in konqueror deletes/clears the url address instead of marking it? | 11:31 |
| wedo_ | i did a mv command to a folder and it did not mv to the dest but its gone , how can I get it back | 11:39 |
| RaGNORAK | did anyone have a problem while installing the nvidia graphics driver? coz everything runs fine but the startup bootscreen becomes very sketchy after i installed the driver | 11:40 |
| RaGNORAK | it looked good before i installed the driver | 11:41 |
| llutz | wedo_: what was you exact mv-command? | 11:41 |
| SandGorgon | hey guys.. running 4.4.80 (4.5 beta 1) - how do I get a different wallpaper for each virtual desktop ? I have already enabled "different widgets for each desktop" ? | 11:41 |
| SandGorgon | RaGNORAK, I remember I had a problem and I fixed it.. let me dig it up for you | 11:41 |
| RaGNORAK | oh thanks | 11:44 |
| SandGorgon | RaGNORAK, you may need to set nvagp to 1 in your xorg - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-173/+bug/34043 | 11:44 |
| SandGorgon | RaGNORAK, dont bother about the bug's title (suspend/resume) | 11:45 |
| wedo_ | llutz: I used "sudo mv /home/user/.config/folder /home/.config/folder | 11:46 |
| wedo_ | now the folder gone and did not move to the destnation | 11:46 |
| llutz | wedo_: ls -ld | 11:46 |
| llutz | wedo_: ls -la /home sorry | 11:46 |
| wedo_ | llutz: thank you i can see the folder in the result now | 11:49 |
| wedo_ | llutz: how can i move it back | 11:50 |
| llutz | sudo mv /home/.config/folder /home/user/.config/folder | 11:50 |
| wedo_ | thank you so much llutz | 11:55 |
| amgarching | hi, I've lost the taskbar applet, the KDE panel does not show window buttons anymore. How do I restore it? | 12:00 |
| amgarching | this is kde 4.4.2 | 12:00 |
| amgarching | I looked at all available widgets, there is only a "Window list", but it is not what I am looking for | 12:01 |
| amgarching | see also this http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=87896 there is no solution though | 12:07 |
| amichair | amgarching: you can always delete the widget configuration file and let a default one be created anew (but then you obviously loose your current config) | 12:13 |
| srikant | Hi there | 12:14 |
| amgarching | amichair: that was "task manager plasmoid" that was missing. I got them back, those window buttons. | 12:16 |
| amichair | amgarching: oh, good :-) | 12:16 |
| amichair | hi srikant | 12:16 |
| srikant | amichair: Hi How are you | 12:17 |
| === jtheuer__ is now known as jtheuer | ||
| amichair | srikant: I'm good. If you have a kubuntu question, go ahead and ask it, and if someone here can help, they will. | 12:18 |
| Lightning | Wow | 12:34 |
| Lightning | I just upgraded to 9.10 and it fucked everything | 12:34 |
| Lightning | My IRC colors are messed up. THe text is too small everywhere | 12:35 |
| Lightning | Random image on my app launcher. This is gonna take some work to fix | 12:35 |
| oxymoron | Can someone help me remove this KDE Desktop on Kickoff menu? http://imagebin.ca/view/5QJVwFb.html | 12:41 |
| Lightning | ^^ Same problem | 12:44 |
| oxymoron | Lightning: Good, then someone maybe could help us both ... | 12:46 |
| Lightning | I just upgraded | 12:46 |
| oxymoron | Lightning: one tip for you though, do clean install, never upgrade from one stable release to another ... | 12:46 |
| Lightning | I'm pretty sre I can remove the KDE by editing the theme. So you have any idea where it's stored though? | 12:47 |
| oxymoron | Sorry, no idea. | 12:48 |
| oxymoron | It shouldnt be there at all, so freaking ugly I puke. | 12:48 |
| oxymoron | and that search bar isnt centered and that search logo is ugly .. | 12:49 |
| greatwall | awioorvnwm | 12:49 |
| Lightning | What theme are you using? | 12:49 |
| greatwall | wekl klwejfio w fmwklfjisof4nkkshdsicmw | 12:49 |
| oxymoron | Lightning: Right now I have mixed a lot of different themes. One is called Amarezzio I think, one is perfection and so on. | 12:50 |
| Lightning | I'm running Tradegy, with a dark window color | 12:50 |
| Lightning | It looks nice except for that stupid KDE button | 12:51 |
| oxymoron | I would like a light variant of perfection Window decorator. But I havent find anyone doing the perfect theme. | 12:51 |
| oxymoron | Yeah KDE can go *** themselves with their logo ... | 12:51 |
| oxymoron | They could at least do it in svg | 12:51 |
| oxymoron | Hopefully KDE 4.5 will be polished everywhere :P | 12:52 |
| Lightning | Sorry. Have to keep quitting. | 12:54 |
| srikant | amichair: I've tried installing Kubuntu in OEM mode, unfortunately I could not see any option after next boot for option of Installing ALL PACKAGES from kubuntu DVD :-( | 12:55 |
| srikant | amichair: One of my biggest headache is increasing the plasma digital clock size in the Kubuntu PANEL | 12:57 |
| srikant | anyone who can help me in increasing the PLASMA DIGITAL CLOCK Size in the PANEL of kubuntu ??? | 12:58 |
| srikant | I've seen default clock sizes of fedora & open SUSE are bigger w.r.t to default panel height. | 12:59 |
| ntz_prg | heya | 13:11 |
| ntz_prg | how can i set a different wallpaper for my desktops ?? | 13:11 |
| ntz_prg | it has changed .. seems like from kde 3 | 13:12 |
| ntz_prg | i mean to have uniq wallpaper for each desktop | 13:12 |
| anvar | hi | 13:15 |
| anvar | it's anybody here ? | 13:16 |
| ntz_prg | anvar: no, i'm only insulting bot | 13:16 |
| anvar | ))) | 13:17 |
| anvar | i'm used ubuntu but today i decide used kubuntu | 13:18 |
| ntz_prg | anvar: type "ntz_prg <COMMAND>" ,, you can try "help, insultme, insult", type "<COMMAND> help" for more | 13:18 |
| anvar | help | 13:19 |
| anvar | )) | 13:19 |
| rww | ntz_prg: stop that. | 13:19 |
| ntz_prg | rww: bad syntax! you .. pussycat :D | 13:20 |
| anvar | Огромный писецц | 13:21 |
| Pici | !ru | 13:21 |
| ubottu | Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke | 13:21 |
| shadeslayer | anvar: hi | 13:21 |
| shadeslayer | anvar: what can we do to help? | 13:21 |
| AAU|Vince | !ru | 13:22 |
| ubottu | Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke | 13:22 |
| AAU|Vince | !fr | 13:22 |
| ubottu | Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc. Merci. | 13:22 |
| AAU|Vince | :) | 13:22 |
| anvar | how are you ? | 13:23 |
| shadeslayer | anvar: any issues you would like help with? | 13:23 |
| srikant | anyone who can help me in increasing the PLASMA DIGITAL CLOCK Size in the PANEL of kubuntu ??? | 13:35 |
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| lyhana8 | hello I got a problem with aptitude, I fail to update the repositories list | 14:04 |
| lyhana8 | Unable to connect to 127.0.0.1:8118 | 14:05 |
| lyhana8 | I think that related to privoxy/tor | 14:05 |
| lyhana8 | It fail when I do it as root, not when I do it as sudo | 14:07 |
| Exilant | Hi, can someone tell me how to use the compose key properly in kubuntu lucid? works nicely in non-kde applications, e.g. compose.. gives the ellipsis … in xterm or firefox, but in konsole or other kde apps it gives a high dot ˙, ignoring my .XCompose and the standard compose files for my locale | 14:08 |
| llutz | lyhana8: sudo grep -r 8118 /root/* | 14:08 |
| srikant | anyone who can help me in increasing the PLASMA DIGITAL CLOCK Size in the PANEL of kubuntu ??? | 14:10 |
| lyhana8 | llutz: that's strange that it happen as root but not sudo | 14:11 |
| llutz | lyhana8: so you as root set somewhere the proxy, reset it | 14:11 |
| llutz | lyhana8: sudo grep -r 8118 /root/* | 14:11 |
| llutz | lyhana8: sudo grep -r 8118 /etc/apt/* | 14:12 |
| lyhana8 | llutz: grep -r stuck on : grep: /root/../dev/mixer: Invalid argument | 14:28 |
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| llutz | lyhana8: whatever you did with your root-account, it should have links into /dev. press ctrl-c to stop, find manually the file you set "http_proxy=127.0.0.1:8118" and change it | 14:34 |
| lyhana8 | llutz: to spare you some time: I'm not a newbie :). I don't set up any file manually | 14:38 |
| llutz | lyhana8: but in at least one of your files, affecting the environment, the proxy is set. if you did or a ghost won't interest me at all | 14:39 |
| ghostcube | grml | 14:40 |
| lyhana8 | llutz: that was just to emphase that I've no idea which file contain this setting | 14:42 |
| basajaun | running 10.4 i can manage to run java applications java is installed and function in browser but nothing happen when I run a java sh script help? | 14:42 |
| BluesKaj | hey folks | 14:42 |
| basajaun | hi BluesKaj | 14:42 |
| basajaun | how do I run a java pplicatiob in kubuntu 10.4 | 14:49 |
| amichair | !java | basajaun | 14:50 |
| ubottu | basajaun: To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java. For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases. | 14:50 |
| sushilcha | lyhana8: check in /etc/environment | 14:50 |
| amichair | hey BluesKaj | 14:50 |
| basajaun | amichair Im have java installed and it works in browser | 14:51 |
| BluesKaj | basajaun, dunno but the #java chat might help you | 14:51 |
| lyhana8 | sushilcha: nothing~ | 14:51 |
| llutz | lyhana8: /root/.profile /root/.bashrc | 14:51 |
| amichair | basajaun: so what is the problem? | 14:52 |
| lyhana8 | llutz: sushilcha after the export it work fine, I'll look at the next reboot | 14:53 |
| basajaun | amichait I have downloaded a java game I used to use successfully in previous version of kubuntu | 14:54 |
| BluesKaj | basajaun, install kubuntu-restricted-extras | 14:54 |
| amichair | basajaun: are you getting an error? | 14:54 |
| basajaun | when I extract the package it contains a.jar file and a sh file which used to launch the program but nothing happens at all | 14:55 |
| BluesKaj | ok basajaun , Ill ask again do you have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed , or just jre? | 14:56 |
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| basajaun | I have Jre BluesKaj and sorry for not answering staight away | 14:57 |
| BluesKaj | well then basajaun install kubuntu-retricted -extras, it come with the proper web browser java plugins and java-base required | 14:58 |
| BluesKaj | err kubuntu-restricted-extras | 14:59 |
| basajaun | but BluesKaj the internet aspect works 100% | 14:59 |
| amichairo | basajaun: if you run 'java -version' command, what version do you see? | 14:59 |
| basajaun | amichairo: 1.6.0_18 | 15:00 |
| amichairo | basajaun: what does the sh script do? | 15:01 |
| basajaun | amichairo: nothing | 15:02 |
| amichairo | basajaun: btw 1.6.0_20 is the latest... strange that you have an older one - are you sure you're updated? (in 10.04 you need the partner repository enabled for java updates) | 15:02 |
| BluesKaj | ok basajaun , have it your way | 15:03 |
| basajaun | amichairo: if I check on the java web site it says I have 1.6.0_20 installed | 15:03 |
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| amichairo | basajaun: maybe the plugin and command line are looking in different places... how about 'sudo update-alternatives -- config java' | 15:04 |
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| Montblanc | pretty please, have a look at this bug, thanks! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/591532 | 15:04 |
| shadeslayer_ | Montblanc: please go to #ubuntu-bugs | 15:04 |
| lumm | moin | 15:05 |
| amichair | hmm... why did my nick change just then? | 15:05 |
| lumm | is it me or im the only one with such a bug ? -> http://i49.tinypic.com/16byfjb.png | 15:06 |
| BluesKaj | basajaun, check your sources.list and make sure all the deb urls aren't commented with a# | 15:06 |
| BluesKaj | then sudo aptitude update | 15:06 |
| lumm | to get the normal bar back i have to enable and disable the desktop effects after each start | 15:07 |
| basajaun | ok BluesKaj | 15:07 |
| lumm | (i never used those) | 15:07 |
| BluesKaj | basajaun, the cdrom one should be commented , otherwise apt won't look at any other repos | 15:09 |
| amichair | BluesKaj: maybe it would be safer to use software-properties-kde than modify sources directly? | 15:10 |
| RaGNORAK | lumm try manually setting your monitor resolution it helped for me | 15:11 |
| BluesKaj | amichair, time to get the feet wet , the package manager doesn't help users learn how to edit sources IMO | 15:11 |
| RaGNORAK | oh and what is that win xp icon on your taskbar? | 15:12 |
| amichair | BluesKaj: of course not, but some users may prefer being just users and getting their system to work - the advanced ones will know to ask for more :-) | 15:13 |
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| amichair | BluesKaj: just a thought :-) | 15:13 |
| BluesKaj | amichair, yeah , I get your point , but if they don't want to get into the detsils , they usually say so in my experience. | 15:16 |
| BluesKaj | err details | 15:16 |
| amichair | BluesKaj: ah, ok | 15:17 |
| srikant | amichair: You there ? | 15:17 |
| srikant | amichair: I have one doubt and I haven't found anyone answering for that : | 15:18 |
| srikant | amichair: anyone who can help me in increasing the PLASMA DIGITAL CLOCK Size in the PANEL of kubuntu ??? | 15:18 |
| amichair | srikant: I don't see a font size setting there... maybe if you remove the date part the time gets bigger? | 15:19 |
| amichair | srikant: at least how it looks on my screen, there's not much room to make it bigger (unless the whole panel is made bigger?) | 15:19 |
| srikant | amichair: Then how does Fedora & openSUSE are able to provide default digital clock with large size in the panel | 15:19 |
| srikant | amichair: provided fixed default size of the panel. | 15:20 |
| amichair | srikant: I don't know what other distros do. If you compare the settings between them, I'm sure you'll be able to find what's configured differently (font, bold, maybe a different clock widget?) | 15:22 |
| srikant | amichair: where exactly I can find control settings of plasma widgets in kubuntu ? | 15:23 |
| basajaun | well I have changed and opted for java jre open jdk was also installed | 15:23 |
| amichair | srikant: right click on the clock, and select 'Digital Clock Settings' | 15:23 |
| BluesKaj | basajaun, have you tried to install kubuntu-restricted-extras ? | 15:24 |
| srikant | amichair: :-) I have modified the settings there several times and never succeeded !! | 15:24 |
| * BluesKaj takes a break b | 15:25 | |
| BluesKaj | bbl | 15:26 |
| ahmed_ | Hello all | 15:26 |
| ahmed_ | i need some help please ? | 15:27 |
| basajaun | too late for BluesKaj but restricted extras are up and running | 15:27 |
| amichair | basajaun: did you run update-alternatives? and pick the latest sun jdk/jre? | 15:27 |
| ahmed_ | are theere any one who can help me ? | 15:27 |
| amichair | !ask | ahmed_ | 15:27 |
| ubottu | ahmed_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) | 15:27 |
| basajaun | and If I click on the java sh script file from console it says can access jar file | 15:28 |
| ahmed_ | ok thanks | 15:28 |
| ahmed_ | i have a problem with my monitor | 15:28 |
| ahmed_ | i have a Plug and Play Monitor | 15:28 |
| amichair | basajaun: if you run it in a terminal, is there any output? | 15:28 |
| ahmed_ | and Ubuntu 10.04 can't detect it | 15:29 |
| ahmed_ | and i can't get the correct Modeline for it | 15:29 |
| ahmed_ | what i do please ? | 15:29 |
| maco | ahmed_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution ? | 15:29 |
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| basajaun | amichair: and If I click on the java sh script file from console it says can access jar file | 15:31 |
| amichair | basajaun: what do you mean click from console? click would be in GUI, and running the script manually via keyboard would be in console | 15:31 |
| basajaun | ok amichair I press ctrl +f2 and type jshisen .sh | 15:36 |
| amichair | basajaun: is there any output? | 15:36 |
| basajaun | command not found | 15:37 |
| basajaun | file is executable | 15:37 |
| amichair | basajaun: try ./jshisen.sh (you can use tab for autocompletion) | 15:37 |
| amichair | before that, try 'cat jshisen.sh'. does it do anything other than 'java -jar <jar>'? | 15:38 |
| basajaun | No such file or directory | 15:42 |
| amichair | basajaun: if you type 'ls' do you see the files? is the current directory the one with the files in it? | 15:43 |
| basajaun | basajaun@etchea:~/Documents/jShisen-1$ lsinstall.cmd jShisen.jar jShisen.sh jsos2.ico jswin.ico | 15:46 |
| llutz | basajaun: ./jShisen.sh linux is case sensitive | 15:47 |
| amichair | basajaun: maybe you mixed the case in the previous commands (it is case-sensitive) | 15:47 |
| basajaun | no I do not understand anything been using this little program for years on previous version of Kubuntu | 15:51 |
| amichair | basajaun: try running 'java -jar jShisen.jar' (copy exactly with the same case). What is the output? | 15:52 |
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| basajaun | amichair: Unable to access jarfile jShisen.jar | 15:54 |
| basajaun | if I run terminal from folder with the command you just gave me it starts | 15:56 |
| basajaun | amichair: if I run terminal from folder with the command you just gave me it starts | 15:57 |
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| amichair | basajaun: so it's working OK when you start it this way? | 15:57 |
| basajaun | yes bit akward but works so I guess | 15:58 |
| amichair | basajaun: how did you run it in the past? not from a command line? | 15:58 |
| basajaun | no before it would start from script but so may things have changed this is an old application 2004 so... | 15:59 |
| amichair | basajaun: from the same terminal that just worked, if you run './jShisen.sh', does it work? | 16:02 |
| basajaun | yes if I open terminal from folder | 16:03 |
| BluesKaj | amichair, what about copying the exe file to /usr/bin/ ? | 16:04 |
| amichair | BluesKaj: exe file? | 16:04 |
| BluesKaj | oops thinking in windows again , the runfile | 16:05 |
| amichair | I think when he clicks the script in gui it doesn' use the current directory, and when he opens a terminal it does | 16:05 |
| basajaun | yes amichair sounds right other wiase it would indeed work | 16:06 |
| amichair | or, java is not on the path when running from gui (but that doesn't make immediate sense to me) | 16:07 |
| amichair | basajaun: are you running it by clicking in Dolphin? or something else? | 16:07 |
| basajaun | dolphin | 16:07 |
| amichair | basajaun: small chance - maybe it needs a restart to see the updated paths? | 16:09 |
| basajaun | small chances are to be tried Iĺl do that and thank you for your help amichair , much appreciated! | 16:10 |
| amichair | basajaun: my pleasure. I'm curious as to why it's not working... but at least we narrowed down when it does :-) | 16:11 |
| basajaun | ;) well I restart and let you know amichair | 16:12 |
| ahmed_ | please who can tell me where i found a Driver for a S3 graphic unichrome pro for Mother Board P4M800 | 16:13 |
| ahmed_ | i have try the openchrome | 16:13 |
| ahmed_ | but not working | 16:13 |
| BluesKaj | !openchrome | 16:15 |
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| BluesKaj | !pm | ahmed_ | 16:17 |
| ubottu | ahmed_: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers, and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. Please note that some people find it rude to be sent a PM without being asked for permission to do so first. | 16:17 |
| ahmed_ | ok sorry | 16:18 |
| ahmed_ | but i ask and any one help me | 16:18 |
| amichair | ahmed_: that means nobody here at the moment knows the answer. Try again a little later, and hopefully someone will join that will be able to help. | 16:20 |
| ahmed_ | amichair : ok thanks | 16:20 |
| basajaun | amichair: no luck lol | 16:23 |
| basajaun | but at least I can use the app from the folder | 16:24 |
| basajaun | but its intriguing all the same | 16:24 |
| Riddell | ** testers needed for KDE SC 4.5 beta 2 on 10.04 | 16:40 |
| basajaun | bye all | 16:41 |
| amichair | basajaun: I think it might be a Dolphin bug/wishlist, as I find a similar one for konqueror (executing files not in the current directory) | 16:42 |
| amichair | oh, ahem. | 16:42 |
| Smartie | I need help creating a touch keyboard and periodic table program for kubunu | 16:53 |
| Smartie | Anyone who can help, please join #Multitouch. | 16:53 |
| Smartie | Hello? is anyone here?? | 16:58 |
| mfraz74 | Looks like there are some updates in the kubuntu beta backports ppa | 17:10 |
| amichair | mfraz74: I think Riddell was just looking for vulenteers to check the KDE 4.5 SC backport (I hope I'm not mixing up ppas) | 17:11 |
| mfraz74 | amichair: they're 4.4.85 which I suppose is 4.5 beta | 17:12 |
| Riddell | mfraz74: that's KDE SC 4.5 beta 2, it hasn't been announced yet because we're waiting on some testers | 17:12 |
| Riddell | if you want to test install it and let us know how it works in #kubuntu-devel | 17:12 |
| mfraz74 | riddell: is digikam 1.3 going to be in that? | 17:12 |
| Riddell | mfraz74: not currently | 17:13 |
| mfraz74 | ok | 17:13 |
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| tzanger | good afternoon | 17:19 |
| tzanger | is there a way I can inquire the system about WHAT was changed when apt tells me there are new updates? | 17:19 |
| tzanger | I mean I see there's an xserver update... sounds good but what was changed? | 17:19 |
| amichair | tzanger: there's apt-listchanges | 17:19 |
| tzanger | amichair: verynice. thank you | 17:20 |
| llutz | tzanger: aptitude changelog package | 17:20 |
| tzanger | ahh it's not installed by default, that's why | 17:20 |
| tzanger | nothing in kpackagekit? | 17:20 |
| BluesKaj | llutz, iasked earlier about removiing makeactive in grub were you referring to legacy grub ? | 17:29 |
| BluesKaj | oh well, stuff to do ...bbl | 17:35 |
| amichair | why does apt-listchanges install exim? | 17:40 |
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| st-fl | hi. in kde i can select keyboard klayouts and switch them by clicking on the flag. is there a layout for IPA signs, too? | 17:47 |
| vbgunz_ | I just scanned a receipt in gimp. autocrop does not work. there is a very obvious huge border around the image and it never autocrops. the colored background stays put. whats wrong? | 17:50 |
| amichair | what video editor could y'all recommend? | 17:59 |
| vbgunz_ | I can almost swear gimp is just broken. no joke, autocrop doesn't work when I am 99% convinced it should and the scissors are in no way obvious. I go around the entire selection, get back to the first dot and nothing happens. I can definitely select something but anything further deals with the entire image. really? | 18:00 |
| alesan | hi, what is a LIGHTWEIGHT application to hear streaming music? | 18:03 |
| alesan | not amarok please | 18:03 |
| raindog | cli or gui? | 18:04 |
| alesan | well, gui is ok | 18:04 |
| alesan | as long as it small :) | 18:04 |
| alesan | my god amarok takes 700MB of RAM! | 18:04 |
| hawkI | whats it doing? storing the entire CD data image in memory? | 18:06 |
| raindog | Can't recall if mpd does streaming, but I think it does. | 18:06 |
| tsimpson | alesan: are you sure it's actually using 700MB of RAM | 18:06 |
| alesan | tsimpson, I just restarted amarok right now; htop tells me VIRT 1263M RES 103M but this parameter gets worse after several hours | 18:08 |
| tsimpson | alesan: which, VIRT or RES? | 18:08 |
| tsimpson | you can generally ignore the value of VIRT | 18:08 |
| alesan | RES, but let me run it for a while | 18:09 |
| alesan | I just recently upgraded to 10.04 | 18:09 |
| alesan | anyway | 18:09 |
| tsimpson | if it is using that much memory, you should probably report a bug | 18:09 |
| alesan | amarok is just bloated | 18:09 |
| alesan | from my personal point of view | 18:09 |
| tsimpson | if you want something a little smaller than amarok, try vlc | 18:10 |
| alesan | I liked the previous version of amarok, now I was so overwelmed by all these unnecessary functions that I wrote my own media player | 18:10 |
| alesan | but my app does not support streaming | 18:10 |
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| tsimpson | kmplayer is another alternative | 18:11 |
| alesan | oh ok | 18:11 |
| amichair | how much RES should the X process be taking? | 18:15 |
| tsimpson | that depends on what/how much X is doing | 18:18 |
| raindog | Isn't there an issue with Xorg and nvidia drivers currently? | 18:18 |
| amichair | tsimpson: such as? | 18:19 |
| tsimpson | what windows are open, how many images, what parts are visible, how often an application repaints, lots of things | 18:20 |
| amichair | I'm using nvidia drivers. currently X RES is 220M, which seems a bit on the high side | 18:20 |
| tsimpson | mine is using ~100MB | 18:20 |
| raindog | 540 here. Since 10.04 Xorg has been hungry. | 18:20 |
| amichair | I've got almost 4 days uptime. will keep monitoring to see if it grows with time, I suppose | 18:21 |
| tanderson_ | My xorg was getting nuts. I tried the nouvea driver for a while and didn't have a problem. reinstalled the nvidia and turned off desktop effects and it has been pretty tame. | 18:22 |
| raindog | I think I read about xorg and the newest nvidia drivers not playing well together. I have 3 days of uptime and moderate desktop effects. | 18:22 |
| amichair | well, at least it's a known issue, and someone will fix it eventually. Most memory leaks the devs don't believe exist (until you find them urself, if you have the time) | 18:24 |
| tsimpson | there's not much anyone can do about the nvidia driver, except the nvidia people | 18:25 |
| amichair | tsimpson: true. But I think they're ok as such, no? | 18:26 |
| raindog | tsimpson: yep. | 18:26 |
| tsimpson | I don't use an nvidia card, I'm quite happy with my intel chip :) | 18:26 |
| raindog | tsimpson: A friend of mine is sending me another graphics card, but alas it too is nividia. However, it will be better than my onboard one. | 18:28 |
| amichair | I have an onboard NVidia 9300. It was my compromise of not spending extra on a graphics card, and getting pretty good performance and support. I've been pretty happy with it. | 18:29 |
| raindog | amichair: I don't recall the model number of mine,but I too looked at as cost cutting measure. I have actually been surprised by how decent it is. | 18:30 |
| amichair | it's actually an Intel GPU (GMA500) that stands between kubuntu and my netbook :-( | 18:31 |
| ArGGu^^ | Just noticed that my kubuntu installation automatically installs security updates even though I have set that it should only notify about updates :S | 18:39 |
| ArGGu^^ | Has anyone else this behavior in kubuntu? | 18:40 |
| alesan | how do you configure so that everything is automatic? | 18:41 |
| alesan | I do not understand why it bother asking the user what to do | 18:41 |
| ArGGu^^ | alesan you can only set the security updates to automatically | 18:42 |
| ArGGu^^ | why everything should be automatic :D | 18:42 |
| alesan | because my mom does not know what is an update | 18:43 |
| alesan | and I am 6000miles away | 18:43 |
| ArGGu^^ | O_o seriously | 18:43 |
| alesan | why are you surprised, your mother knows how to deal with updates? | 18:43 |
| amichair | ArGGu^^: I just noticed this issue today as well | 18:44 |
| ArGGu^^ | amichair ok just noticed there is also bug report in launchpad | 18:44 |
| amichair | if u got a link, I'll add my vote. Or fix it, when I have the time :-) | 18:45 |
| ArGGu^^ | amichair the bug report link? | 18:46 |
| amichair | ArGGu^^: ya | 18:47 |
| ArGGu^^ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/586497 | 18:47 |
| amichair | ArGGu^^: Thanks. | 18:47 |
| raindog | Is there a way to reorder the activities list? | 18:48 |
| bbeck | I did an aptitude update this morning, and I noticed a have a lot of updates pending (Current status: 173 updates [+18], 352 new [+3].) Most of which are being kept back, but I imagine they are waiting on a dependency. I was wondering if anyone knew of anything being released today. I don't see anything on the kubuntu.org site. | 18:50 |
| raindog | bbeck: 4.5b2 was released today. | 18:51 |
| amichair | bbeck: if you use the lucid proposed backports ppa, KDE SC 4.5 Beta was uploaded today | 18:51 |
| bbeck | awesome! thank you. | 18:52 |
| amichair | bbeck: if you're gonna give it a shot, Riddell will be happy to hear your feedback | 18:53 |
| tsimpson | raindog: please note that it's not released to the general public, only for testing at the moment | 19:00 |
| raindog | tsimpson: Yes, I am aware of that fact. | 19:01 |
| ArGGu^^ | btw is there ever change that kubuntu would change it release cycle so that when new kde is released there would be new kubuntu? | 19:02 |
| raindog | I typically test out betas. | 19:02 |
| ArGGu^^ | it would be nice :) | 19:02 |
| ArGGu^^ | but would it make things bit harder because kubuntu and ubuntu are using same repositories? | 19:04 |
| jaime | hi, fresh 10.4, sending thunderbird mail with attachment freezes the whole machine in mid progress, not even magic sysrq works. no problems without attachment, no problem receiving mail+attachment, no problem displaying/saving those. reinstalled TB, started off fresh profile, to no avail. any ideas | 19:09 |
| st-fl | hi. how can i use IPA keyboard layout? | 19:09 |
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| patch | народ | 19:28 |
| patch | нужна помощь | 19:28 |
| FloodBotK1 | patch: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. | 19:28 |
| shadeslayer | !ru | patch | 19:28 |
| ubottu | patch: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke | 19:28 |
| tanderson_ | is there a setting in akregator that limits the number of articles to fetch? if so, where is it? I can't find it. | 19:31 |
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| raindog | Question: In 4.5b2 is right clicking functionality removed intentionally from app icons in the new notification area? | 19:56 |
| raindog | For instance, starting, pausing Amarok? | 19:56 |
| shadeslayer | raindog: hmm... that is a known issue,idk if its intentional or not | 19:56 |
| shadeslayer | raindog: maybe #kde can enlighten you? | 19:56 |
| raindog | shadeslayer: Thanks. Yeah, good idea. It's not a big deal for me, just am curious. | 19:57 |
| epicbeardman | raindog: I know they're working on the systray right now, so it might be borked. | 19:58 |
| shadeslayer | raindog: btw its working for some people :) | 20:00 |
| raindog | shadeslayer: Hmm. Strange. | 20:01 |
| gorgonizer | raindog: I am having issues with the SystemTray as well.. | 20:02 |
| epicbeardman | since there are quite a few 4.5 beta users, might I ask what's new besides notification area, info widget, and kmail? | 20:03 |
| epicbeardman | (oh, and tiling) | 20:04 |
| shadeslayer | epicbeardman: bug fixes :P | 20:04 |
| shadeslayer | epicbeardman: checkout the kde 4.5 beta 2 announcement page | 20:04 |
| epicbeardman | ok. I was just wondering if they snuck in some features without mentioning ;) | 20:05 |
| shadeslayer | now why would they do that? :P | 20:05 |
| epicbeardman | I would do it as a treat. Thousands of users would go `oh wow, they didn't mention that, cool!' | 20:06 |
| epicbeardman | of course, probably just as many would be mad. | 20:06 |
| gorgonizer | epicbeardman: kmail (the whole of KDEPIM in fact) is still at KDE 4.4 due to KDEPIM being ported to use Akonadi | 20:06 |
| epicbeardman | gorgonizer: do you know if the port will likely be done by 4.5 | 20:07 |
| epicbeardman | ? | 20:07 |
| gorgonizer | epicbeardman: from what I understood, it was aniticipated to be released 1 month after the first Beta of KDE SC 4.5, so I would certainly hope so.. | 20:08 |
| epicbeardman | k. I had some issues with kontact and akonadi, but I understood it was still pretty early code. | 20:09 |
| epicbeardman | any kstars users here with a telescope? | 20:12 |
| markit | my daddy's laptop had 8.xx, I've installed from scratch kubuntu 10.04, but now wireless connection keeps dropping! Any tip? | 20:35 |
| ^Lightning^ | markit: what laptop? | 20:35 |
| shadeslayer | markit: try the plasma-widget-networkmanager and/or WICD if its a nm problem,if its a driver problem try the wireless backport modules in the repo | 20:36 |
| markit | shadeslayer: maybe better the backport modules first... what is the package named? | 20:37 |
| shadeslayer | markit: linux-backports-modules-wireless- | 20:37 |
| shadeslayer | you need to put your kernel version after that | 20:38 |
| markit | shadeslayer: thaks. A known regression? | 20:38 |
| markit | and isn't enough having ppa repo ? | 20:38 |
| shadeslayer | markit: hmm.. dont know :) | 20:39 |
| epicbeardman | before we make suggestions, shouldn't we ask what model wireless card it is? | 20:40 |
| ^Lightning^ | Exaactly | 20:40 |
| ^Lightning^ | I bet it's Atheros | 20:40 |
| epicbeardman | ath would probably work, though, right? | 20:41 |
| epicbeardman | it's most likely either ath or bcm | 20:41 |
| epicbeardman | but I thought ath5k and ath9k covered 99% | 20:41 |
| ^Lightning^ | I have ath. I'm using Karmic. It doesn' | 20:41 |
| ^Lightning^ | t work | 20:41 |
| epicbeardman | markit: have you tried running the restricted drivers installer? | 20:41 |
| epicbeardman | ^Lightning^: interesante. | 20:42 |
| ^Lightning^ | I did mess around when I was Jaunty. Than I upgraded from the package manager today. | 20:42 |
| ^Lightning^ | Gonna go to Lucid tomorrow | 20:42 |
| markit | epicbeardman: I don't know about them... but I think are supported by Free software, otherwise should not work at all | 20:42 |
| ^Lightning^ | markit: WHAT LAPTOP DOES YOUR FATHER HAVE? | 20:42 |
| Pici | !caps | 20:43 |
| ubottu | PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too. | 20:43 |
| epicbeardman | more specifically, what is the make & model of the wireless card? | 20:43 |
| markit | ^Lightning^: sorry, I'm switching head between this pc and that laptop, trying your suggestions, so I missed some piece of conversation | 20:43 |
| shadeslayer | markit: if you can tell us the model no. of the card we can help better :) | 20:43 |
| markit | the laptop is an acer travelmate 7720g | 20:43 |
| markit | 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) | 20:44 |
| markit | (lspci output) | 20:44 |
| markit | Kernel driver in use: iwlagn | 20:44 |
| ^Lightning^ | Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (dual-band tri-mode 802.11a/b/g) | 20:45 |
| marcnarc | Anyone having problems starting amarok after updating to SC 4.4.4? | 20:46 |
| markit | ok, so I'll try the plasma widget network manager first? (seems not installed by default) | 20:46 |
| markit | or do you think is a driver issue? | 20:46 |
| shadeslayer | markit: try the plasma widget first ;) | 20:47 |
| markit | shadeslayer: can't find locally nor from internet | 20:48 |
| markit | (looking for "network" keyword) | 20:48 |
| shadeslayer | markit: cant you connect the latop via ethernet? | 20:49 |
| shadeslayer | would be easier that way... | 20:50 |
| markit | shadeslayer: sure, I'm ssh there | 20:50 |
| shadeslayer | !info plasma-widget-networkmanager | 20:50 |
| ubottu | Package plasma-widget-networkmanager does not exist in lucid | 20:50 |
| shadeslayer | !info plasma-widget-networkmanagement | markit | 20:50 |
| ubottu | markit: plasma-widget-networkmanagement (source: plasma-widget-networkmanagement): Network Management widget for KDE4 Plasma. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9~svn1112085-0ubuntu4 (lucid), package size 95 kB, installed size 296 kB | 20:50 |
| markit | and I can aptitude from cable (otherwise wireless connection lasts only few seconds...) | 20:50 |
| shadeslayer | markit: thats the package name :) | 20:51 |
| markit | shadeslayer: funny, aptitude search network | grep -i manager does not show it | 20:52 |
| markit | I'll investigate later | 20:52 |
| markit | ah, manaGEMENT | 20:52 |
| markit | lol | 20:52 |
| markit | I'm tired and probably blind ;) | 20:52 |
| shadeslayer | markit: :P | 20:53 |
| * markit crosses his fingers | 20:56 | |
| markit | :( | 20:56 |
| markit | dropped after some seconds | 20:56 |
| shadeslayer | markit: again? | 20:56 |
| shadeslayer | markit: which kernel? | 20:57 |
| shadeslayer | i have the same card.. :) | 20:57 |
| ^Lightning^ | Anyone here can help me with an AR242x?' | 20:58 |
| markit | argh, I've put the network plasma in teh taskbar, but showed a grayed rectangle | 20:58 |
| markit | I did "remove panel" but removed the whole taskbar | 20:58 |
| markit | and of course you can't restore easely | 20:58 |
| * markit hunts for his note about how to restore it | 20:58 | |
| shadeslayer | markit: oh no no,you need to add the network manager needs to be added in systray | 20:58 |
| shadeslayer | markit: right click on desktop > add panel | 20:59 |
| markit | 2.6.32-22-generic | 20:59 |
| markit | add panel adds an empty one | 20:59 |
| shadeslayer | markit: ok,try installing the backports modules,that should help | 20:59 |
| shadeslayer | markit: yeah,that it does | 20:59 |
| shadeslayer | fill it up with stuff you like :P | 21:00 |
| markit | hahaha, I try to reset to default instead | 21:00 |
| markit | maybe I'm lazy, maybe I'm a little irritade by this aproach | 21:00 |
| markit | irritated | 21:00 |
| markit | I'm always in fear of removing it when I work with plasmoids, that's not good | 21:01 |
| ^Lightning^ | Just lock widgets when yo're done | 21:01 |
| shadeslayer | markit: ah to reset it to default just remove your .kde folder in ~ | 21:01 |
| markit | rm ~/kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc | 21:03 |
| markit | (after a service kdm stop | 21:04 |
| markit | ) | 21:04 |
| markit | shadeslayer: so you have the same kernel + wireless chipset I have, you don't have any drop, and you are using restricted modules? | 21:04 |
| shadeslayer | markit: actually im using a newer kernel | 21:05 |
| markit | btw, probably I've to add an additiona backport repo, can't find any useful restricted package | 21:05 |
| markit | shadeslayer: oh, me too please! how can I do? | 21:06 |
| * markit wants 2.6.34 | 21:06 | |
| shadeslayer | markit: its the .35 kernel and i did experience some drops on the 34 kernels | 21:06 |
| markit | shadeslayer: so having it working with restricted modules is only a hope | 21:06 |
| markit | I thought intel wireless chipset were the best supported by Free software | 21:07 |
| shadeslayer | markit: well sort of,you could always remove the modules | 21:07 |
| shadeslayer | markit: yes,but the backports modules are simply newer git snapshots of the drivers | 21:07 |
| markit | linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-22-generic OR linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic ? | 21:08 |
| markit | or both? | 21:08 |
| shadeslayer | markit: the second one | 21:08 |
| shadeslayer | its a generic package for the modules | 21:09 |
| markit | ok, better reboot then (old M$Craops habbits, lol) | 21:09 |
| shadeslayer | markit: newer kernels can be found at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ | 21:10 |
| shadeslayer | markit: /!\ USE WITH CAUTION /!\ | 21:10 |
| markit | shadeslayer: well "I'll use IF DESPERATE" lol | 21:10 |
| shadeslayer | markit: hehe :) | 21:10 |
| soee_ | is it possible to put 2 panels at the top of the screen? | 21:10 |
| markit | can't tell my daddy that each upgrade we face lots of problems | 21:11 |
| soee_ | i mean second one under firs one | 21:11 |
| shadeslayer | soee_: yeah,but you wont be access one of them | 21:11 |
| markit | to be sincere, with foss is always a risk... my life is full of unespected regressions that ruin all your work | 21:11 |
| soee_ | "/ | 21:11 |
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| markit | can't put that damn plasmoiod on it's place | 21:13 |
| markit | shadeslayer_: oh, thanks A LOT | 21:13 |
| shadeslayer_ | np :) | 21:13 |
| markit | do't know if will work, but thanks a lot anyway | 21:13 |
| markit | :) | 21:13 |
| shadeslayer_ | markit: what you can also do is rmmod the module and modprobe it again | 21:13 |
| shadeslayer_ | just to check if it does the trick :P | 21:13 |
| shadeslayer_ | markit: sudo rmmod iwlagn;sudo modprobe iwlagn | 21:14 |
| markit | shadeslayer_: thaks, but I've already rebooted, put the damn plasmoid on teh desktop and I'm testing it | 21:15 |
| markit | urgh :( | 21:15 |
| markit | disconnected again | 21:15 |
| markit | now the pasmoid shows nothing (no wierd nor wireless) | 21:16 |
| markit | form bad to worse :( | 21:16 |
| KjetilK | Within a couple of days, on two different systems, the plasma networkmanagement widget has failed on me | 21:21 |
| KjetilK | and it doesn't seem to start on a restart | 21:21 |
| KjetilK | so far, I've used it only for wired connections | 21:23 |
| markit | mmm connection seems to drop exactly after 30 seconds... | 21:24 |
| KjetilK | I don't know where to start, really | 21:24 |
| markit | KjetilK: I've removed and reput on teh desktop, seems to list the connections again | 21:25 |
| * markit tries 2.6.35rc1 kernel, brrrr | 21:25 | |
| KjetilK | hmmm | 21:26 |
| KjetilK | one weird thing, I seem to have installed both plasma-widget-network-manager and plasma-widget-networkmanagement | 21:27 |
| markit | shadeslayer_: kernel 2.3.35rc1 seems did the trick, can't thank you enough (and all the others that have helped at the beginning) | 21:28 |
| shadeslayer_ | markit: awesome :D | 21:29 |
| markit | shadeslayer_: well, scaring! hope new kernel does not wipe out the hard disk ;P | 21:29 |
| shadeslayer_ | markit: can you file a bug against the 22 kernel? | 21:29 |
| shadeslayer_ | markit: nah its pretty stable.... | 21:30 |
| markit | shadeslayer_: I'll go to holiday for some days tomorrow, have no time right now | 21:30 |
| shadeslayer_ | markit: sure no problem | 21:30 |
| * KjetilK removes the former | 21:30 | |
| markit | wondering also if is a kubuntu-introduced bug or upstream | 21:30 |
| markit | in any case, I've learned also that if you want a plasmoid in the systray, you have to right click on systray and select "add" from there | 21:31 |
| markit | to be sincere, is not intuitive at all | 21:31 |
| markit | (the "modal" aproach is a bad design one) | 21:31 |
| contrast | Greets, everyone... Anyone using the KDE 4.5 Beta 2 packages yet? I'm wondering about stability, etc. :) | 21:32 |
| shadeslayer_ | contrast: yes you can upgrade but all the usual beta warnings apply | 21:34 |
| markit | well, I can't put there :( maybe i'm too tired | 21:34 |
| abdullah | s.a | 21:34 |
| markit | contrast: belive me, you are in trouble enough just running the "stable" things, don't hurt yourself! :) | 21:35 |
| contrast | markit: point taken, thanks. :) | 21:36 |
| KjetilK | can I start the network management widget from command line somehow? | 21:36 |
| contrast | KjetilK: knetworkmanager | 21:36 |
| KjetilK | contrast, isn't that a different program? | 21:37 |
| contrast | markit: Speaking strictly in terms of stability, how would you rate 4.5 so far, compared to 4.4? | 21:37 |
| bbeck | If I "aptitude upgrade" and I get a message about conflicts (e.g. conflict: 1) how can I go about finding out what that conflict is? | 21:37 |
| contrast | KjetilK: Erm, well it's a system tray applet, which is what I assumed you meant by "widget." :) | 21:37 |
| KjetilK | contrast, I'm not quite sure myself, but I was under the impression that the plasma widget is different from the knetworkmanager app... | 21:38 |
| markit | contrast: I've no idea, I'm fighting since some hours with troubles with 2.6.2 kernel and 4.4.4 kde, so... | 21:38 |
| contrast | markit: Ohh ok. Well, good luck with that. :) | 21:38 |
| contrast | KjetilK: Well, there *is* a Network Manager Plasma widget in the plasma-widget-networkmanagement package, but it's not recommended for use as it's supposedly pretty unstable. | 21:40 |
| KjetilK | contrast, oh, ok | 21:41 |
| contrast | KjetilK: knetworkmanager, the system tray applet which is installed by default, is probably what you want. ;) | 21:41 |
| KjetilK | then, that's probably what's bitten me | 21:41 |
| contrast | KjetilK: Ohh, you installed the widget? | 21:41 |
| KjetilK | hmmm, I didn't make a conscious decision about doing that on either system, but yeah... | 21:42 |
| contrast | hehe... Just selected all the packages that started with "plasma-widget-" and clicked Install, eh? I've done that a time or two myself. | 21:42 |
| basajaun | amichair: ? | 21:43 |
| contrast | KjetilK: You'll want to be sure to remove the widget from your desktop *before* uninstalling the package. Sometimes Plasma goes nuts if it can't find a widget that's supposed to be on the desktop. | 21:44 |
| KjetilK | contrast, I always use aptitude, so no :-) | 21:45 |
| KjetilK | and it isn't running | 21:45 |
| KjetilK | hmpf | 21:45 |
| basajaun | just to let you know concerning the intriguing java application- creating a short cut on desktop to jShisen opens it straight away renewed thanks for earlier on bye | 21:45 |
| * KjetilK logs out and gets the box connected with /etc/network/interfaces | 21:46 | |
| KjetilK | OK, now I've got knetworkmanager in, but it just sits there and says "Unmanaged" | 21:58 |
| KjetilK | what can I do about that? | 21:58 |
| ^Lightning^ | I got a problem. Just prgraded to Karmic. network manager won't let me enable wireless | 21:59 |
| * KjetilK found http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager | 21:59 | |
| ^Lightning^ | No | 22:01 |
| ^Lightning^ | as in I can't see any networks at all | 22:01 |
| ^Lightning^ | AR242x | 22:01 |
| contrast | ^Lightning^: First, open /etc/network/interfaces (Alt+F2 -> kdesudo kate /etc/network/interfaces), then place a # at the beginning of every line under "iface lo inet loopback". Save and exit... | 22:02 |
| contrast | Then, in a terminal (Alt+F2 -> konsole), run the following commands: sudo service networking restart; sudo service network-manager restart | 22:03 |
| ^Lightning^ | no lines below iface xxxxxxxx | 22:04 |
| ^Lightning^ | auto lo | 22:04 |
| ^Lightning^ | iface lo inet loopback | 22:04 |
| ^Lightning^ | Tha'ts it | 22:04 |
| contrast | ^Lightning^: Oook... Then let's have a look at /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state. Could you pastebin the contents of that file? | 22:05 |
| ^Lightning^ | 1 min | 22:06 |
| shadeslayer_ | contrast: btw ever tried the network manager with WICD backend? does it work> | 22:06 |
| contrast | shadeslayer_: Never tried it. NM generally does the job for me. :) | 22:07 |
| shadeslayer_ | hmm.. my nm doesnt connect to WEP networks sometimes :P | 22:07 |
| ^Lightning^ | I did that with a kdesudo kate | 22:07 |
| ^Lightning^ | Either empty, or non existent | 22:07 |
| KjetilK | Hmmmm, all I get when I set managed=true and then restart network-manager is "Network Management disabled" | 22:07 |
| KjetilK | and indeed, the state says so too | 22:07 |
| contrast | KjetilK: Pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces and /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state files? | 22:09 |
| contrast | ^Lightning^: I just googled "ar242x wireless ubuntu" (no quotes) and it showed several promising hits. Sounds like a hardware issue, so I'd start there. :) | 22:10 |
| ^Lightning^ | I've tried it all before | 22:10 |
| ^Lightning^ | Nothing works. It worked for a week and stopped suddenly | 22:11 |
| contrast | "hardware issue" as in you're missing a module. | 22:11 |
| contrast | ^Lightning^: So you installed madwifi? | 22:11 |
| mirza | I allso had wireless problems sicne last week and kernel update i think | 22:11 |
| mirza | knetworkmanager is disabled allways | 22:11 |
| mirza | bu wicd seems to work for me | 22:11 |
| contrast | Or do you mean it was working out of the box? | 22:11 |
| ^Lightning^ | I did something | 22:12 |
| ^Lightning^ | From some guide | 22:12 |
| ^Lightning^ | Now it's all screwed up | 22:12 |
| contrast | Did you save said guide to your bookmarks by any chance? That doesn't really give me much to go on. ;) | 22:12 |
| shadeslayer_ | or maybe check your history :P | 22:13 |
| ^Lightning^ | I have a guide in my bookmarks | 22:13 |
| ^Lightning^ | But I don't think it | 22:14 |
| ^Lightning^ | it's THAT one. | 22:14 |
| KjetilK | contrast, OK, I have to get it back on the net with interfaces to do that, just a minute | 22:14 |
| KjetilK | http://paste.ubuntu.com/447411/ | 22:15 |
| KjetilK | shouldn't be any surprises there... | 22:16 |
| contrast | brb, phone... | 22:16 |
| contrast | KjetilK: sudo mv /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state ~; sudo service network-manager restart | 22:19 |
| mukitu | hej everyone. I installed fglrx which worked quite well but I can't activete composite in KDE. fglrxinfo gives me no errors | 22:19 |
| contrast | KjetilK: Then just restart KNetworkManager | 22:20 |
| tinti | Hi, I want to change notifications from bottom/up to left/right where exactly is the source code of notificatio widget on taskbar | 22:21 |
| tinti | ? | 22:21 |
| KjetilK | contrast, ah, there, finally | 22:24 |
| Scunizi | How do you get kmail to Forward and email with an attachment.. so far I've found it strips the attachment | 22:24 |
| KjetilK | since I had used ifup -a -i /root/interfaces, I had to ifdown that first, kill knetworkmanager, which appeared to be hanging, then restart network-manager, then start knetworkmanager | 22:25 |
| KjetilK | thanks a lot | 22:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | Scunizi: tried googling? ( ive only just started using kmail ) | 22:26 |
| contrast | glad to help. :) | 22:28 |
| tazz | i am trying to install dependencies for building kde on 10.04, is there any replacement for the libcaptury-dev package ? | 22:30 |
| tazz | it seems to be dropped. | 22:31 |
| shadeslayer_ | tazz: one sec | 22:34 |
| shadeslayer_ | !find libcaptury-dev | 22:35 |
| ubottu | Package/file libcaptury-dev does not exist in lucid | 22:35 |
| shadeslayer_ | tazz: what depends on it? | 22:35 |
| tazz | shadeslayer_, its mentioned at http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Kubuntu_and_Debian | 22:36 |
| shadeslayer_ | tazz: btw #kubuntu-devel might have more idea on this | 22:36 |
| tazz | shadeslayer_, yup | 22:36 |
| shadeslayer_ | tazz: its a optional dep | 22:36 |
| tazz | shadeslayer_, yes i know, i am ignoring it for now. But i just wanted to make sure i was not missing something before i modify the documentation :) | 22:37 |
| shadeslayer_ | tazz: :) | 22:37 |
| shadeslayer_ | tazz: you can pull in all the deps with apt-get build-dep kdebase-workspace | 22:37 |
| shadeslayer_ | well... most of them,those are the deps that the official packages were built against | 22:38 |
| tazz | yup | 22:38 |
| tazz | well the page could be outofdate | 22:38 |
| shadeslayer_ | probably... | 22:39 |
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| hagabaka | I hate when newer versions of KDE are on ppa, they cause some programs/plasmoids to be removed | 23:53 |
| shadeslayer | hagabaka: thats because upstream KDE removed them | 23:56 |
| hagabaka | oh | 23:58 |
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