[00:17] <Lzy> Key, is their anything like kde-core still around? I'm looking for a barebones kde installation
[00:17] <Lzy> *Hey
[00:18] <shadeslayer> Lzy: kde-minimal might be of help
[00:18] <shadeslayer> there might be even a kde-standard :P
[00:18] <shadeslayer> or something like that
[00:19] <shadeslayer> yeah kde-standard :)
[00:19] <Lzy> Thanks shadesslayer, i would install kubuntu as itself but somethings drains my entire battery within an hour, i'm hoping a barebones kde doesn't :(
[00:20] <shadeslayer> Lzy: hmm.. idk about that,but i would suggest changing the power profile
[00:20] <Lzy> This was on xtreme powersaver :/
[00:20] <shadeslayer> Lzy: how old is the battery?
[00:20] <Lzy> 3 weeks
[00:20] <shadeslayer> \o/
[00:21] <Lzy> I'm currently testing ubuntu with gnome and my battery will last for about 4 hours whilst playing music and web surfing
[00:21] <Lzy> But my love is with kde, so i want to have it one way or another
[00:22] <shadeslayer_> Lzy: hehe :P
[00:22] <shadeslayer_> dunno what will help :(
[00:22] <Lzy> See what i don't understand, if this was present in all Kubuntu 10.4 installation it would be a very critical bug that would have been squashed a long time ago
[00:23] <Lzy> But by the looks of it, i'm the only one experiencing it :(
[00:23] <shadeslayer_> Lzy: im going to sleep,sorry have to leave it mid way :)
[00:26] <wedo> how to enable file sharing between two kubuntu machines on wireless network
[00:28] <cynewave> Anyone here good with sound problems?
[00:28] <Lzy> Got it, theirs kde-minimal (going to try this), kde-standard and kde-full.
[00:29] <cynewave> Ok - anyone here with an idea of where to go to find someone good at sound issues?
[00:30] <cynewave> My sound works but only with one application at a time...
[00:31] <Lzy> cynewave: Goto System Settings > Multimedia and move pulseaudio up to the top
[00:32] <Lzy> This person had the same problem and it worked for him/her: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1495482
[00:33] <cynewave> First - Thanks. Second - Don't have pulseaudio, just HDA intel analog, then HDA digital, then Jack Audio
[00:36] <Lzy> cynewave: I'm browsing various threads on this issue (quite a few people have it) theirs another solution you could try, i'm afraid i wouldn't really know how to diagnose the root cause of this
[00:37] <Lzy> http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9163504
[00:41] <Lzy> I have to have my headphones plugged in to hear anything, my internal speakers aren't working :( Not the only one with a sound issue lol
[00:57] <Lzy> I want to enable the power management plasmoid in the system tray but it is greyed out, what do i do to enable it?
[01:00] <Guest1350> any ideas how to install the desktop effects in backtrack4 when i hit the install desktop effects button says command not found
[01:04] <cynewave> Lzy - which threads did you find on this?
[01:04] <Guest1350> ???
[01:07] <cynewave> Also - Lzy - I think your power management plasmoid needs to be configured to point to the correct device. if what it's managing is invalid it will be greyed out
[01:08] <Lzy> cnewave: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+site:ubuntuforums.org+ubuntu+sound+only+works+one+app+at+a+time&sa=X&ei=X9sOTMG1DaH-0gTZ1bWNDg&ved=0CBkQrQIwAA
[01:08] <Lzy> Quite a few of them have been tagged as solved
[01:09] <Lzy> It's definatly detected my battery
[01:14] <wedo> how to enable file sharing between two kubuntu machines on wireless network
[01:25] <Lzy> wedo: YOu can set up sharing via the sharing module in syste preferences
[01:25] <wedo> Lzy: i cant find any options there but the user and password
[01:28] <Lzy> wedo: Have you checked out the network folder?
[01:28] <Lzy> You can add a network place from their
[01:29] <wedo> Lzy: i cant config the sharing folders, i  cant make the folders shared
[01:32] <Lzy> SO right clicking a file > properties > sharing dosn't do anything?
[01:40] <wedo> Lzy: there are coniguration option but when click on it does not give anything
[01:53] <ussher_> on kubuntu 10.04 clicking alt+F1 will bring up the contents of the K menu, is there any way to do the same action to show the desktop widget contents?  (i have a desktop folder widget next to the K menu)
[01:55] <Breetai> I have had 2 computers in the last day where kopete shows all  yahoo contacts as signed in but no one is reachable. A reboot takes care of it. Anyone else seen this behaviour.
[02:26] <doleyb> Hi when I had karmic I could play dvds with dragon, but now in lucid the Play Disc button does nothing.  What should I do?
[02:32] <beelzebu> hola
[02:33] <beelzebu> al gun dj?
[02:33] <beelzebu> por aka
[02:41] <anditosan>  I have a sony vaio vpceb11fm with an intel hd sound card that I can't configure
[02:41] <anditosan> [19:40] <anditosan> I installed the updated alsa drivers and the problem persists
[02:41] <anditosan> [19:40] <anditosan> can you help me>
[02:41] <anditosan> [19:40] <anditosan> ?
[02:41] <FloodBotK1> anditosan: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:41] <anditosan> sorry
[02:41] <anditosan> I didn;t want to type everything again
[03:20] <ussher_> doleyb: Ive had good luck with playing stuff with 'vlc'  it seams to play everything.
[03:24] <doleyb> Yes well, I'd like to have other programs work just on principle.  dragon used to work in karmic, so it still should in lucid.
[03:30] <Swiftpaw> Test
[03:31] <ershad> Could you help me to install a theme downloaded from kde-look.org? It's a tar.gz archive which contains a .qss and .bespin files. I'm running KDE 4.4.4.
[03:33] <Swiftpaw> New at this myself. Wish I could help. :/
[03:33] <ershad> Swiftpaw: :)
[03:34] <ershad> I couldn't find an option to install theme.
[03:35] <Swiftpaw> To be honest this is the first time I've ever used IRC althought I've chatted in games a lot. I downloaded a theme from the Ubuntu website and it worked fine even though it didn't specifically list Kubuntu compatible.
[03:36] <Swiftpaw> Did it download the theme into a folder or do you not know where it is?
[03:36] <Swiftpaw> Using Konquerer or Firefox?
[03:39] <ershad> I'm using Firefox
[03:40] <ershad> and downloaded as usual, to a directory
[03:40] <ershad> I mean, to the default ~/Downloads dir
[03:43] <Swiftpaw> Oh, the only themes I've installed were using the Add-ons selection on the tools tab.  They have a lot of nice ones there but if you have a custom one I have no clue. Sorry. :(
[03:44] <ershad> It's alrigt, Thank you :)
[03:53] <ershad> Swiftpaw: may be because I have not installed an application to install KDE themes?
[03:54] <Swiftpaw> What is the main difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu?  Have to say the reason I stuck with Kubuntu was because it worked better with Youtube and Hulu.
[03:57] <Swiftpaw> I didn't download anything to install my themes though, although I did download quite a few packages and it may have been in one of them.  How do you send a private message?
[03:57] <ershad> in irc ?
[03:57] <Swiftpaw> Yes
[03:58] <Swiftpaw> I guess I mean how did you make your message to me yellow? :/
[03:58] <Swiftpaw> er orange.
[03:58] <ershad> Mention your name,
[03:58] <ershad> like this : Swiftpaw
[03:58] <Swiftpaw> Ah, kk. Thanks.
[03:59] <Swiftpaw> Do you have the basic Kubuntu install or have you downloaded other packages?
[04:00] <ershad> Swiftpaw: I did a custom install, by specifiying only the required packages
[04:00] <ershad> I running KDE in Ubuntu machine
[04:00] <ershad> 10.04, to be precise
[04:02] <Swiftpaw> ershad Oh, I downloaded the recommended packages but I installed some more for java, flash, and video too. But that doesn't sound like it would require anything like that. :/
[04:02] <Swiftpaw> afk
[04:02] <ershad> Swiftpaw: yeah,.
[04:19] <Swiftpaw> ershad Found this on firefox help. Not sure how it will come out but you may want to try. You are asked to download the add-on, rather than installing it
[04:19] <Swiftpaw> Some websites serve add-ons as downloads, requiring you to download the file to your computer, before installing it.
[04:19] <Swiftpaw>     * These files are usually .xpi or .jar files.
[04:19] <Swiftpaw>    1. Download the file to your local computer.
[04:19] <Swiftpaw>    2. In the menu at the top of the Firefox window, click the Tools menu, and select Add-ons. The Add-ons window is displayed.
[04:19] <FloodBotK1> Swiftpaw: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:19] <Swiftpaw>    3. To add the downloaded add-on to the list of available add-ons, drag and drop the file into the Add-ons window. The Add-on is added to the list.
[04:20] <Swiftpaw> Oops. Sorry, that was suppose to be to one person but my paste messed it up. :/
[04:20] <ershad> Swiftpaw: I would like to install KDE theme, not firefox theme
[04:21] <Swiftpaw> ershad Oh, didn't know KDE had themes. lol I'll have to look that up too. :)
[04:22] <ershad> Swiftpaw: :)
[04:23] <Swiftpaw> ershad Can I assume the theme goes beyond just the wallpaper? How much more does it change?
[04:24] <Smartie> Who's here?
[04:24] <Smartie> I have a BURNING question. Anyone want to answer?
[04:24] <DarthFrog> Nope.
[04:24] <ershad> Swiftpaw: Well, Theme change may result in complete change in colours, buttons and widgets
[04:25] <Smartie> dang.
[04:25] <rww> !ask
[04:25] <Swiftpaw> Ah, looking at the site now ershad. :)  Hopefully they have something here buried somewhere. :)
[04:26] <ershad> Swiftpaw: Try this:http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/roxydoxy?content=125979
[04:26] <ershad> Swiftpaw: I was trying to install it
[04:27] <Smartie> Ok. Here goes. I am designing a multitouch display and I am running Kubuntu. i am mainly trying to make a keyboard and a periodic table of elements similar to the one at http://www.ptable.com and one I downloaded on my Windows machine called Periodic Table
[04:27] <Swiftpaw> ershad Oh oh, I think you got me hooked now too. That one looks pretty sweet. :)
[04:27] <Smartie> How would I go about doing that programming?
[04:31] <Smartie> hello?
[04:34] <Smartie> My internet just had a brownout. Did anyone respond to that question?
[04:36] <ershad> Swiftpaw: Ok then, Nice day :)
[04:37] <Swiftpaw> ershad Ok, you too. Found some install instructions but for something using applets and stuff. Not sure if it applies to your case. Good luck.
[04:41] <Smartie> >	Ok. Here goes. I am designing a multitouch display and I am running Kubuntu. i am mainly trying to make a keyboard and a periodic table of elements similar to the one at http://www.ptable.com and one I downloaded on my Windows machine called Periodic Table. How would you go about doing that?
[04:47] <Smartie> >	Ok. Here goes. I am designing a multitouch display and I am running Kubuntu. i am mainly trying to make a keyboard and a periodic table of elements similar to the one at http://www.ptable.com and one I downloaded on my Windows machine called Periodic Table
[04:48] <Smarite> >	Ok. Here goes. I am designing a multitouch display and I am running Kubuntu. i am mainly trying to make a keyboard and a periodic table of elements similar to the one at http://www.ptable.com and one I downloaded on my Windows machine called Periodic Table'
[04:48] <Smarite> >	Ok. Here goes. I am designing a multitouch display and I am running Kubuntu. i am mainly trying to make a keyboard and a periodic table of elements similar to the one at http://www.ptable.com and one I downloaded on my Windows machine called Periodic Table
[04:48] <FloodBotK1> Smarite: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:48] <rww> !repeat
[04:49] <Smarite> sorry. I have a virus. Its being taken care of.
[04:49] <Smarite> sorry. I have a virus. Its being taken care of.
[04:49] <Smarite> Aaaaaaand There. sorry.
[04:50] <rr6937-aafxfhe> #ubuntu
[04:58] <rob____> hello world
[05:09] <Fieldy> !java
[05:51] <snarkfish> anybody know where sun-java6 dissapeared to?
[05:51] <snarkfish> its not in the repo anymore
[05:53] <^Lightning^> wow. upgrade will take 5 + 'a few' hours with my connection. AND I'm denied another CD. :|
[05:54] <snarkfish> what do you mean denied another disc?
[05:54] <^Lightning^> They won't send me one.
[05:54] <^Lightning^> And I can't buy. I live in India.
[05:55] <^Lightning^> Any alternatives?
[05:55] <^Lightning^> I'm going to try upgrading to 2 mbps for a few hours.
[05:55] <snarkfish> download iso burn the cd yourself or make a usb thumbdrive install
[05:57] <^Lightning^> My connection is 64 kbs.
[05:57] <^Lightning^> Not happening for me
[05:57] <snarkfish> ah
[05:57] <snarkfish> yah going to suck bad for you. just start the download goto work come home goto bed itll be done tomorrow
[06:05] <^Lightning^> It's running at 84-90 kbps now. 4 hours to download. If I don't have another powercut in between I'm good
[06:05] <snarkfish> good luck
[06:06] <snarkfish> if you can purchase UPS
[06:08] <^Lightning^> I have one
[06:08] <^Lightning^> 2 battery.
[06:09] <^Lightning^> Bt the cuts here are for like an hour each
[06:09] <^Lightning^> And the UPS is quite old.
[06:09] <snarkfish> take you monitor off the ups
[06:09] <^Lightning^> Laptop.
[06:09] <^Lightning^> I only run my modem on it
[06:09] <^Lightning^> When I have a cut
[06:09] <snarkfish> laptop plugged in uses like 12 watts.. ups should be able to run for hours with 12 watt drain
 And the UPS is quite old.
[06:10] <^Lightning^> Thanks for the help anyways
[06:11] <snarkfish> yup
[06:12] <^Lightning^> What distribution are you using?
[06:12] <snarkfish> kubuntu 10.4
[06:12] <^Lightning^> I'm stuck on Jaunty
[06:12] <^Lightning^> :(
[06:13] <^Lightning^> Lifehacker is paying loads of attention to Ubuntu 10.4. Even though KDE is more  Lifehacker type.
[06:13] <snarkfish> lol
[06:14] <^Lightning^> 2 hours left.
[06:15] <^Lightning^> This better be worth it. I'm paying a dollar 20 cents an hour for the upgrade.
[06:15] <^Lightning^> (speed)
[06:16] <snarkfish> dude
[07:44] <ershad> Hello, I'm using KDE 4.4.4, Have some contacts in KAddressbook, but I couldn't access it in kmail. Could you help me to correct it?
[08:13] <Lynoure> If I want to start screen locking from the command line, what command should I use? Seems my locking does not work at all, but I have not found the binary that does it yet
[08:31] <wllkmbll> Does anyone know how to change konsloe's font?
[09:37] <wedo> hello all
[09:37] <wedo> I need help plz
[09:37] <wedo> I have two kubuntu machines and want to share files between them, can anybody help plz
[09:48] <wedo> I have two kubuntu machines and want to share files between them, can anybody help plz
[09:50] <tsimpson> wedo: probably the easiest way is by installing the ssh server on both and using sshfs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS
[09:52] <RaGNORAK> !nvidia
[10:11] <wedo> tsimpson: I'm not familiar with ssh I wan to enable the normal sharing like between windows machines
[10:11] <tsimpson> that's samba, but it's more difficult to setup
[10:11] <tsimpson> !samba
[10:11] <tsimpson> see the second link (and ignore the word "windows")
[10:58] <ubuntu> aiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[10:58] <Lynoure> Yup, my screen locking only works once per boot :(
[10:59] <Lynoure> Any ideas of what to do to fix it?
[10:59] <ubuntu> yes............
[11:00] <Lynoure> ubuntu: ok, what then?
[11:08] <AhmedBH> hi, i cant take my windows to another desktop with button 1 on a cube but works fine when i select walls, WHY ?
[11:27] <wedo_> hello
[11:29] <wedo_> i did a mv command to a folder and it did not mv to the dest but its gone , how can I get it back
[11:31] <larsjaaa> Hi, anyone know why CTRL-L in konqueror deletes/clears the url address instead of marking it?
[11:39] <wedo_> i did a mv command to a folder and it did not mv to the dest but its gone , how can I get it back
[11:40] <RaGNORAK> did anyone have a problem while installing the nvidia graphics driver? coz everything runs fine but the startup bootscreen becomes very sketchy after i installed the driver
[11:41] <RaGNORAK> it looked good before i installed the driver
[11:41] <llutz> wedo_: what was you exact mv-command?
[11:41] <SandGorgon> hey guys.. running 4.4.80 (4.5 beta 1) - how do I get a different wallpaper for each virtual desktop  ? I have already enabled "different widgets for each desktop" ?
[11:41] <SandGorgon> RaGNORAK, I remember I had a problem and I fixed it.. let me dig it up for you
[11:44] <RaGNORAK> oh thanks
[11:44] <SandGorgon> RaGNORAK, you may need to set nvagp to 1 in your xorg - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-173/+bug/34043
[11:45] <SandGorgon> RaGNORAK, dont bother about the bug's title (suspend/resume)
[11:46] <wedo_> llutz: I used "sudo mv /home/user/.config/folder /home/.config/folder
[11:46] <wedo_> now the folder gone and did not move to the destnation
[11:46] <llutz> wedo_: ls -ld
[11:46] <llutz> wedo_: ls -la /home                sorry
[11:49] <wedo_> llutz: thank you i can see the folder in the result now
[11:50] <wedo_> llutz: how can i move it back
[11:50] <llutz> sudo mv /home/.config/folder /home/user/.config/folder
[11:55] <wedo_> thank you so much llutz
[12:00] <amgarching> hi, I've lost the taskbar applet, the KDE panel does not show window buttons anymore. How do I restore it?
[12:00] <amgarching> this is kde 4.4.2
[12:01] <amgarching> I looked at all available widgets, there is only a "Window list", but it is not what I am looking for
[12:07] <amgarching> see also this http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=87896 there is no solution though
[12:13] <amichair> amgarching: you can always delete the widget configuration file and let a default one be created anew (but then you obviously loose your current config)
[12:14] <srikant> Hi there
[12:16] <amgarching> amichair: that was "task manager plasmoid" that was missing. I got them back, those window buttons.
[12:16] <amichair> amgarching: oh, good :-)
[12:16] <amichair> hi srikant
[12:17] <srikant> amichair: Hi How are you
[12:18] <amichair> srikant: I'm good. If you have a kubuntu question, go ahead and ask it, and if someone here can help, they will.
[12:34] <Lightning> Wow
[12:34] <Lightning> I just upgraded to 9.10 and it fucked everything
[12:35] <Lightning> My IRC colors are messed up. THe text is too small everywhere
[12:35] <Lightning> Random image on my app launcher. This is gonna take some work to fix
[12:41] <oxymoron> Can someone help me remove this KDE Desktop on Kickoff menu? http://imagebin.ca/view/5QJVwFb.html
[12:44] <Lightning> ^^ Same problem
[12:46] <oxymoron> Lightning: Good, then someone maybe could help us both ...
[12:46] <Lightning> I just upgraded
[12:46] <oxymoron> Lightning: one tip for you though, do clean install, never upgrade from one stable release to another ...
[12:47] <Lightning> I'm pretty sre I can remove the KDE by editing the theme. So you have any idea where it's stored though?
[12:48] <oxymoron> Sorry, no idea.
[12:48] <oxymoron> It shouldnt be there at all, so freaking ugly I puke.
[12:49] <oxymoron> and that search bar isnt centered and that search logo is ugly ..
[12:49] <greatwall> awioorvnwm
[12:49] <Lightning> What theme are you using?
[12:49] <greatwall> wekl klwejfio w fmwklfjisof4nkkshdsicmw
[12:50] <oxymoron> Lightning: Right now I have mixed a lot of different themes. One is called Amarezzio I think, one is perfection and so on.
[12:50] <Lightning> I'm running Tradegy, with a dark window color
[12:51] <Lightning> It looks nice except for that stupid KDE button
[12:51] <oxymoron> I would like a light variant of perfection Window decorator. But I havent find anyone doing the perfect theme.
[12:51] <oxymoron> Yeah KDE can go *** themselves with their logo ...
[12:51] <oxymoron> They could at least do it in svg
[12:52] <oxymoron> Hopefully KDE 4.5 will be polished everywhere :P
[12:54] <Lightning> Sorry. Have to keep quitting.
[12:55] <srikant> amichair: I've tried installing Kubuntu in OEM mode, unfortunately I could not see any option after next boot for option of Installing ALL PACKAGES from kubuntu DVD :-(
[12:57] <srikant> amichair: One of my biggest headache is increasing the plasma digital clock size in the Kubuntu PANEL
[12:58] <srikant> anyone who can help me in increasing the PLASMA DIGITAL CLOCK Size in the PANEL of kubuntu ???
[12:59] <srikant> I've seen default clock sizes of fedora & open SUSE are bigger w.r.t to default panel height.
[13:11] <ntz_prg> heya
[13:11] <ntz_prg> how can i set a different wallpaper for my desktops ??
[13:12] <ntz_prg> it has changed .. seems like from kde 3
[13:12] <ntz_prg> i mean to have uniq wallpaper for each desktop
[13:15] <anvar> hi
[13:16] <anvar> it's anybody here ?
[13:16] <ntz_prg> anvar: no, i'm only insulting bot
[13:17] <anvar> )))
[13:18] <anvar> i'm used ubuntu but today i decide used kubuntu
[13:18] <ntz_prg> anvar: type "ntz_prg <COMMAND>" ,, you can try "help, insultme, insult", type "<COMMAND> help" for more
[13:19] <anvar> help
[13:19] <anvar> ))
[13:19] <rww> ntz_prg: stop that.
[13:20] <ntz_prg> rww: bad syntax! you .. pussycat :D
[13:21] <anvar> Огромный писецц
[13:21] <Pici> !ru
[13:21] <shadeslayer> anvar: hi
[13:21] <shadeslayer> anvar: what can we do to help?
[13:22] <AAU|Vince> !ru
[13:22] <AAU|Vince> !fr
[13:22] <AAU|Vince> :)
[13:23] <anvar> how are you ?
[13:23] <shadeslayer> anvar: any issues you would like help with?
[13:35] <srikant> anyone who can help me in increasing the PLASMA DIGITAL CLOCK Size in the PANEL of kubuntu ???
[14:04] <lyhana8> hello I got a problem with aptitude, I fail to update the repositories list
[14:05] <lyhana8> Unable to connect to 127.0.0.1:8118
[14:05] <lyhana8> I think that related to privoxy/tor
[14:07] <lyhana8> It fail when I do it as root, not when I do it as sudo
[14:08] <Exilant> Hi, can someone tell me how to use the compose key properly in kubuntu lucid? works nicely in non-kde applications, e.g. compose.. gives the ellipsis … in xterm or firefox, but in konsole or other kde apps it gives a high dot ˙, ignoring my .XCompose and the standard compose files for my locale
[14:08] <llutz> lyhana8: sudo grep -r 8118 /root/*
[14:10] <srikant>  anyone who can help me in increasing the PLASMA DIGITAL CLOCK Size in the PANEL of kubuntu ???
[14:11] <lyhana8> llutz: that's strange that it happen as root but not sudo
[14:11] <llutz> lyhana8: so you as root set somewhere the proxy, reset it
[14:11] <llutz> lyhana8: sudo grep -r 8118 /root/*
[14:12] <llutz> lyhana8: sudo grep -r 8118 /etc/apt/*
[14:28] <lyhana8> llutz: grep -r stuck on : grep: /root/../dev/mixer: Invalid argument
[14:34] <llutz> lyhana8: whatever you did with your root-account, it should have links into /dev.   press ctrl-c to stop, find manually the file you set "http_proxy=127.0.0.1:8118" and change it
[14:38] <lyhana8> llutz: to spare you some time: I'm not a newbie :). I don't set up any file manually
[14:39] <llutz> lyhana8: but in at least one of your files, affecting the environment, the proxy is set. if you did or a ghost won't interest me at all
[14:40] <ghostcube> grml
[14:42] <lyhana8> llutz: that was just to emphase that I've no idea which file contain this setting
[14:42] <basajaun> running 10.4 i can manage to run java applications java is installed and function in browser but nothing happen when I run a java sh script help?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:42] <basajaun> hi BluesKaj
[14:49] <basajaun> how do I run a java pplicatiob in kubuntu 10.4
[14:50] <amichair> !java | basajaun
[14:50] <sushilcha> lyhana8:  check in /etc/environment
[14:50] <amichair> hey BluesKaj
[14:51] <basajaun> amichair Im have java installed and it works in browser
[14:51] <BluesKaj> basajaun, dunno but the #java chat might help you
[14:51] <lyhana8> sushilcha: nothing~
[14:51] <llutz> lyhana8: /root/.profile /root/.bashrc
[14:52] <amichair> basajaun: so what is the problem?
[14:53] <lyhana8> llutz: sushilcha after the export it work fine, I'll look at the next reboot
[14:54] <basajaun> amichait I have downloaded a java game I used to use successfully in previous version of kubuntu
[14:54] <BluesKaj> basajaun, install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:54] <amichair> basajaun: are you getting an error?
[14:55] <basajaun> when I extract the package it contains a.jar file and a sh file which used to launch the program but nothing happens at all
[14:56] <BluesKaj> ok basajaun , Ill ask again do you have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed , or just jre?
[14:57] <basajaun> I have Jre BluesKaj  and sorry for not answering staight away
[14:58] <BluesKaj> well then basajaun install kubuntu-retricted -extras, it come with the proper web browser java plugins and java-base required
[14:59] <BluesKaj> err kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:59] <basajaun> but BluesKaj  the internet aspect works 100%
[14:59] <amichairo> basajaun: if you run 'java -version'  command, what version do you see?
[15:00] <basajaun> amichairo:  1.6.0_18
[15:01] <amichairo> basajaun: what does the sh script do?
[15:02] <basajaun> amichairo:   nothing
[15:02] <amichairo> basajaun: btw 1.6.0_20 is the latest... strange that you have an older one - are you sure you're updated? (in 10.04 you need the partner repository enabled for java updates)
[15:03] <BluesKaj> ok basajaun , have it your way
[15:03] <basajaun> amichairo:  if I check on the java web site it says I have 1.6.0_20 installed
[15:04] <amichairo> basajaun: maybe the plugin and command line are looking in different places... how about 'sudo update-alternatives -- config java'
[15:04] <Montblanc> pretty please, have a look at this bug, thanks! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/591532
[15:04] <shadeslayer_> Montblanc: please go to #ubuntu-bugs
[15:05] <lumm> moin
[15:05] <amichair> hmm... why did my nick change just then?
[15:06] <lumm> is it me or im the only one with such a bug ? -> http://i49.tinypic.com/16byfjb.png
[15:06] <BluesKaj> basajaun, check your sources.list and make sure all the deb urls aren't commented with a#
[15:06] <BluesKaj> then sudo aptitude update
[15:07] <lumm> to get the normal bar back i have to enable and disable the desktop effects after each start
[15:07] <basajaun> ok BluesKaj
[15:07] <lumm> (i never used those)
[15:09] <BluesKaj> basajaun, the cdrom one should be commented , otherwise apt won't look at any other repos
[15:10] <amichair> BluesKaj: maybe it would be safer to use software-properties-kde than modify sources directly?
[15:11] <RaGNORAK> lumm try manually setting your monitor resolution it helped for me
[15:11] <BluesKaj> amichair, time to get the feet wet , the package manager doesn't help users learn how to edit sources IMO
[15:12] <RaGNORAK> oh and what is that win xp icon on your taskbar?
[15:13] <amichair> BluesKaj: of course not, but some users may prefer being just users and getting their system to work - the advanced ones will know to ask for more :-)
[15:13] <amichair> BluesKaj: just a thought :-)
[15:16] <BluesKaj> amichair, yeah , I get your point , but if they don't want to get into the detsils , they usually say so in my experience.
[15:16] <BluesKaj> err details
[15:17] <amichair> BluesKaj: ah, ok
[15:17] <srikant> amichair: You there ?
[15:18] <srikant> amichair: I have one doubt and I haven't found anyone answering for that :
[15:18] <srikant> amichair: anyone who can help me in increasing the PLASMA DIGITAL CLOCK Size in the PANEL of kubuntu ???
[15:19] <amichair> srikant: I don't see a font size setting there... maybe if you remove the date part the time gets bigger?
[15:19] <amichair> srikant: at least how it looks on my screen, there's not much room to make it bigger (unless the whole panel is made bigger?)
[15:19] <srikant> amichair: Then how does Fedora & openSUSE are able to provide default digital clock with large size in the panel
[15:20] <srikant> amichair: provided fixed default size of the panel.
[15:22] <amichair> srikant: I don't know what other distros do. If you compare the settings between them, I'm sure you'll be able to find what's configured differently (font, bold, maybe a different clock widget?)
[15:23] <srikant> amichair: where exactly I can find control settings of plasma widgets in kubuntu ?
[15:23] <basajaun> well I have changed and opted for java jre open jdk was also installed
[15:23] <amichair> srikant: right click on the clock, and select 'Digital Clock Settings'
[15:24] <BluesKaj> basajaun, have you tried to install kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[15:24] <srikant> amichair: :-) I have modified the settings there several times and never succeeded !!
[15:25]  * BluesKaj takes a break b
[15:26] <BluesKaj> bbl
[15:26] <ahmed_> Hello all
[15:27] <ahmed_> i need some help please ?
[15:27] <basajaun> too late for BluesKaj  but restricted extras are up and running
[15:27] <amichair> basajaun: did you run update-alternatives? and pick the latest sun jdk/jre?
[15:27] <ahmed_> are theere any one who can help me ?
[15:27] <amichair> !ask | ahmed_
[15:28] <basajaun> and If I click on the java sh script file from console it says can access jar file
[15:28] <ahmed_> ok thanks
[15:28] <ahmed_> i have a problem with my monitor
[15:28] <ahmed_> i have a Plug and Play Monitor
[15:28] <amichair> basajaun: if you run it in a terminal, is there any output?
[15:29] <ahmed_> and Ubuntu 10.04 can't detect it
[15:29] <ahmed_> and i can't get the correct Modeline for it
[15:29] <ahmed_> what i do please ?
[15:29] <maco> ahmed_: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution ?
[15:31] <basajaun> amichair:  and If I click on the java sh script file from console it says can access jar file
[15:31] <amichair> basajaun: what do you mean click from console? click would be in GUI, and running the script manually via keyboard would be in console
[15:36] <basajaun> ok amichair  I press ctrl +f2 and type jshisen .sh
[15:36] <amichair> basajaun: is there any output?
[15:37] <basajaun> command not found
[15:37] <basajaun> file is executable
[15:37] <amichair> basajaun: try ./jshisen.sh (you can use tab for autocompletion)
[15:38] <amichair> before that, try 'cat jshisen.sh'. does it do anything other than 'java -jar <jar>'?
[15:42] <basajaun> No such file or directory
[15:43] <amichair> basajaun: if you type 'ls' do you see the files? is the current directory the one with the files in it?
[15:46] <basajaun> basajaun@etchea:~/Documents/jShisen-1$ lsinstall.cmd  jShisen.jar  jShisen.sh  jsos2.ico  jswin.ico
[15:47] <llutz> basajaun: ./jShisen.sh  linux is case sensitive
[15:47] <amichair> basajaun: maybe you mixed the case in the previous commands (it is case-sensitive)
[15:51] <basajaun> no I do not understand anything been using this little program for years on previous version of Kubuntu
[15:52] <amichair> basajaun: try running 'java -jar jShisen.jar' (copy exactly with the same case). What is the output?
[15:54] <basajaun> amichair: Unable to access jarfile jShisen.jar
[15:56] <basajaun> if I run terminal from folder with the command you just gave me it starts
[15:57] <basajaun> amichair:  if I run terminal from folder with the command you just gave me it starts
[15:57] <amichair> basajaun: so it's working OK when you start it this way?
[15:58] <basajaun> yes bit akward but works so I guess
[15:58] <amichair> basajaun: how did you run it in the past? not from a command line?
[15:59] <basajaun> no before it would start from script but so may things have changed this is an old application 2004 so...
[16:02] <amichair> basajaun: from the same terminal that just worked, if you run './jShisen.sh', does it work?
[16:03] <basajaun> yes if I open terminal from folder
[16:04] <BluesKaj> amichair, what about copying the exe file to /usr/bin/ ?
[16:04] <amichair> BluesKaj: exe file?
[16:05] <BluesKaj> oops thinking in windows again , the runfile
[16:05] <amichair> I think when he clicks the script in gui it doesn' use the current directory, and when he opens a terminal it does
[16:06] <basajaun> yes amichair sounds right other wiase it would indeed work
[16:07] <amichair> or, java is not on the path when running from gui (but that doesn't make immediate sense to me)
[16:07] <amichair> basajaun: are you running it by clicking in Dolphin? or something else?
[16:07] <basajaun> dolphin
[16:09] <amichair> basajaun: small chance - maybe it needs a restart to see the updated paths?
[16:10] <basajaun> small chances are to be tried Iĺl do that and thank you for your help amichair , much appreciated!
[16:11] <amichair> basajaun: my pleasure. I'm curious as to why it's not working... but at least we narrowed down when it does :-)
[16:12] <basajaun> ;) well I restart and let you know  amichair
[16:13] <ahmed_> please who can tell me where i found a Driver for a S3 graphic unichrome pro for Mother Board P4M800
[16:13] <ahmed_> i have try the openchrome
[16:13] <ahmed_> but not working
[16:15] <BluesKaj> !openchrome
[16:17] <BluesKaj> !pm | ahmed_
[16:18] <ahmed_> ok sorry
[16:18] <ahmed_> but i ask and any one help me
[16:20] <amichair> ahmed_: that means nobody here at the moment knows the answer. Try again a little later, and hopefully someone will join that will be able to help.
[16:20] <ahmed_> amichair : ok thanks
[16:23] <basajaun> amichair:  no luck lol
[16:24] <basajaun> but at least I can use the app from the folder
[16:24] <basajaun> but its intriguing all the same
[16:40] <Riddell> ** testers needed for KDE SC 4.5 beta 2 on 10.04
[16:41] <basajaun> bye all
[16:42] <amichair> basajaun: I think it might be a Dolphin bug/wishlist, as I find a similar one for konqueror (executing files not in the current directory)
[16:42] <amichair> oh, ahem.
[16:53] <Smartie> I need help creating a touch keyboard and periodic table program for kubunu
[16:53] <Smartie> Anyone who can help, please join #Multitouch.
[16:58] <Smartie> Hello? is anyone here??
[17:10] <mfraz74> Looks like there are some updates in the kubuntu beta backports ppa
[17:11] <amichair> mfraz74: I think Riddell was just looking for vulenteers to check the KDE 4.5 SC backport (I hope I'm not mixing up ppas)
[17:12] <mfraz74> amichair: they're 4.4.85 which I suppose is 4.5 beta
[17:12] <Riddell> mfraz74: that's KDE SC 4.5 beta 2, it hasn't been announced yet because we're waiting on some testers
[17:12] <Riddell> if you want to test install it and let us know how it works in #kubuntu-devel
[17:12] <mfraz74> riddell: is digikam 1.3 going to be in that?
[17:13] <Riddell> mfraz74: not currently
[17:13] <mfraz74> ok
[17:19] <tzanger> good afternoon
[17:19] <tzanger> is there a way I can inquire the system about WHAT was changed when apt tells me there are new updates?
[17:19] <tzanger> I mean I see there's an xserver update... sounds good but what was changed?
[17:19] <amichair> tzanger: there's apt-listchanges
[17:20] <tzanger> amichair: verynice. thank you
[17:20] <llutz> tzanger: aptitude changelog package
[17:20] <tzanger> ahh it's not installed by default, that's why
[17:20] <tzanger> nothing in kpackagekit?
[17:29] <BluesKaj> llutz, iasked earlier about removiing makeactive in grub were you referring to legacy grub ?
[17:35] <BluesKaj> oh well, stuff to do ...bbl
[17:40] <amichair> why does apt-listchanges install exim?
[17:47] <st-fl> hi. in kde i can select keyboard klayouts and switch them by clicking on the flag. is there a layout for IPA signs, too?
[17:50] <vbgunz_> I just scanned a receipt in gimp. autocrop does not work. there is a very obvious huge border around the image and it never autocrops. the colored background stays put. whats wrong?
[17:59] <amichair> what video editor could y'all recommend?
[18:00] <vbgunz_> I can almost swear gimp is just broken. no joke, autocrop doesn't work when I am 99% convinced it should and the scissors are in no way obvious. I go around the entire selection, get back to the first dot and nothing happens. I can definitely select something but anything further deals with the entire image. really?
[18:03] <alesan> hi, what is a LIGHTWEIGHT application to hear streaming music?
[18:03] <alesan> not amarok please
[18:04] <raindog> cli or gui?
[18:04] <alesan> well, gui is ok
[18:04] <alesan> as long as it small :)
[18:04] <alesan> my god amarok takes 700MB of RAM!
[18:06] <hawkI> whats it doing? storing the entire CD data image in memory?
[18:06] <raindog> Can't recall if mpd does streaming, but I think it does.
[18:06] <tsimpson> alesan: are you sure it's actually using 700MB of RAM
[18:08] <alesan> tsimpson, I just restarted amarok right now; htop tells me VIRT 1263M RES 103M but this parameter gets worse after several hours
[18:08] <tsimpson> alesan: which, VIRT or RES?
[18:08] <tsimpson> you can generally ignore the value of VIRT
[18:09] <alesan> RES, but let me run it for a while
[18:09] <alesan> I just recently upgraded to 10.04
[18:09] <alesan> anyway
[18:09] <tsimpson> if it is using that much memory, you should probably report a bug
[18:09] <alesan> amarok is just bloated
[18:09] <alesan> from my personal point of view
[18:10] <tsimpson> if you want something a little smaller than amarok, try vlc
[18:10] <alesan> I liked the previous version of amarok, now I was so overwelmed by all these unnecessary functions that I wrote my own media player
[18:10] <alesan> but my app does not support streaming
[18:11] <tsimpson> kmplayer is another alternative
[18:11] <alesan> oh ok
[18:15] <amichair> how much RES should the X process be taking?
[18:18] <tsimpson> that depends on what/how much X is doing
[18:18] <raindog> Isn't there an issue with Xorg and nvidia drivers currently?
[18:19] <amichair> tsimpson: such as?
[18:20] <tsimpson> what windows are open, how many images, what parts are visible, how often an application repaints, lots of things
[18:20] <amichair> I'm using nvidia drivers. currently X RES is 220M, which seems a bit on the high side
[18:20] <tsimpson> mine is using ~100MB
[18:20] <raindog> 540 here.  Since 10.04 Xorg has been hungry.
[18:21] <amichair> I've got almost 4 days uptime. will keep monitoring to see if it grows with time, I suppose
[18:22] <tanderson_> My xorg was getting nuts. I tried the nouvea driver for a while and didn't have a problem. reinstalled the nvidia and turned off desktop effects and it has been pretty tame.
[18:22] <raindog> I think I read about xorg and the newest nvidia drivers not playing well together.  I have 3 days of uptime and moderate desktop effects.
[18:24] <amichair> well, at least it's a known issue, and someone will fix it eventually. Most memory leaks the devs don't believe exist (until you find them urself, if you have the time)
[18:25] <tsimpson> there's not much anyone can do about the nvidia driver, except the nvidia people
[18:26] <amichair> tsimpson: true. But I think they're ok as such, no?
[18:26] <raindog> tsimpson: yep.
[18:26] <tsimpson> I don't use an nvidia card, I'm quite happy with my intel chip :)
[18:28] <raindog> tsimpson: A friend of mine is sending me another graphics card, but alas it too is nividia.  However, it will be better than my onboard one.
[18:29] <amichair> I have an onboard NVidia 9300. It was my compromise of not spending extra on a graphics card, and getting pretty good performance and support. I've been pretty happy with it.
[18:30] <raindog> amichair: I don't recall the model number of mine,but I too looked at as cost cutting measure.  I have actually been surprised by how decent it is.
[18:31] <amichair> it's actually an Intel GPU (GMA500) that stands between kubuntu and my netbook :-(
[18:39] <ArGGu^^> Just noticed that my kubuntu installation automatically installs security updates even though I have set that it should only notify about updates :S
[18:40] <ArGGu^^> Has anyone else this behavior in kubuntu?
[18:41] <alesan> how do you configure so that everything is automatic?
[18:41] <alesan> I do not understand why it bother asking the user what to do
[18:42] <ArGGu^^> alesan you can only set the security updates to automatically
[18:42] <ArGGu^^> why everything should be automatic :D
[18:43] <alesan> because my mom does not know what is an update
[18:43] <alesan> and I am 6000miles away
[18:43] <ArGGu^^> O_o seriously
[18:43] <alesan> why are you surprised, your mother knows how to deal with updates?
[18:44] <amichair> ArGGu^^: I just noticed this issue today as well
[18:44] <ArGGu^^> amichair ok just noticed there is also bug report in launchpad
[18:45] <amichair> if u got a link, I'll add my vote. Or fix it, when I have the time :-)
[18:46] <ArGGu^^> amichair the bug report link?
[18:47] <amichair> ArGGu^^: ya
[18:47] <ArGGu^^> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/586497
[18:47] <amichair> ArGGu^^: Thanks.
[18:48] <raindog> Is there a way to reorder the activities list?
[18:50] <bbeck> I did an aptitude update this morning, and I noticed a have a lot of updates pending (Current status: 173 updates [+18], 352 new [+3].) Most of which are being kept back, but I imagine they are waiting on a dependency.  I was wondering if anyone knew of anything being released today.  I don't see anything on the kubuntu.org site.
[18:51] <raindog> bbeck: 4.5b2  was released today.
[18:51] <amichair> bbeck: if you use the lucid proposed backports ppa, KDE SC 4.5 Beta was uploaded today
[18:52] <bbeck> awesome!  thank you.
[18:53] <amichair> bbeck: if you're gonna give it a shot, Riddell will be happy to hear your feedback
[19:00] <tsimpson> raindog: please note that it's not released to the general public, only for testing at the moment
[19:01] <raindog> tsimpson: Yes, I am aware of that fact.
[19:02] <ArGGu^^> btw is there ever change that kubuntu would change it release cycle so that when new kde is released there would be new kubuntu?
[19:02] <raindog> I typically test out betas.
[19:02] <ArGGu^^> it would be nice :)
[19:04] <ArGGu^^> but would it make things bit harder because kubuntu and ubuntu are using same repositories?
[19:09] <jaime> hi, fresh 10.4, sending thunderbird mail with attachment freezes the whole machine in mid progress, not even magic sysrq works. no problems without attachment, no problem receiving mail+attachment, no problem displaying/saving those. reinstalled TB, started off fresh profile, to no avail. any ideas
[19:09] <st-fl> hi. how can i use IPA keyboard layout?
[19:28] <patch> народ
[19:28] <patch> нужна помощь
[19:28] <FloodBotK1> patch: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:28] <shadeslayer> !ru | patch
[19:31] <tanderson_> is there a setting in akregator that limits the number of articles to fetch? if so, where is it? I can't find it.
[19:56] <raindog> Question:  In 4.5b2 is right clicking functionality removed intentionally from app icons in the new notification area?
[19:56] <raindog> For instance, starting, pausing Amarok?
[19:56] <shadeslayer> raindog: hmm... that is a known issue,idk if its intentional or not
[19:56] <shadeslayer> raindog: maybe #kde can enlighten you?
[19:57] <raindog> shadeslayer: Thanks.  Yeah, good idea.  It's not a big deal for me, just am curious.
[19:58] <epicbeardman> raindog: I know they're working on the systray right now, so it might be borked.
[20:00] <shadeslayer> raindog: btw its working for some people :)
[20:01] <raindog> shadeslayer: Hmm.  Strange.
[20:02] <gorgonizer> raindog: I am having issues with the SystemTray as well..
[20:03] <epicbeardman> since there are quite a few 4.5 beta users, might I ask what's new besides notification area, info widget, and kmail?
[20:04] <epicbeardman> (oh, and tiling)
[20:04] <shadeslayer> epicbeardman: bug fixes :P
[20:04] <shadeslayer> epicbeardman: checkout the kde 4.5 beta 2 announcement page
[20:05] <epicbeardman> ok. I was just wondering if they snuck in some features without mentioning ;)
[20:05] <shadeslayer> now why would they do that? :P
[20:06] <epicbeardman> I would do it as a treat. Thousands of users would go `oh wow, they didn't mention that, cool!'
[20:06] <epicbeardman> of course, probably just as many would be mad.
[20:06] <gorgonizer> epicbeardman: kmail (the whole of KDEPIM in fact) is still at KDE 4.4 due to KDEPIM being ported to use Akonadi
[20:07] <epicbeardman> gorgonizer: do you know if the port will likely be done by 4.5
[20:07] <epicbeardman> ?
[20:08] <gorgonizer> epicbeardman: from what I understood, it was aniticipated to be released 1 month after the first Beta of KDE SC 4.5, so I would certainly hope so..
[20:09] <epicbeardman> k. I had some issues with kontact and akonadi, but I understood it was still pretty early code.
[20:12] <epicbeardman> any kstars users here with a telescope?
[20:35] <markit> my daddy's laptop had 8.xx, I've installed from scratch kubuntu 10.04, but now wireless connection keeps dropping! Any tip?
[20:35] <^Lightning^> markit:  what laptop?
[20:36] <shadeslayer> markit: try the plasma-widget-networkmanager and/or WICD if its a nm problem,if its a driver problem try the wireless backport modules in the repo
[20:37] <markit> shadeslayer: maybe better the backport modules first... what is the package named?
[20:37] <shadeslayer> markit: linux-backports-modules-wireless-
[20:38] <shadeslayer> you need to put your kernel version after that
[20:38] <markit> shadeslayer: thaks. A known regression?
[20:38] <markit> and isn't enough having ppa repo ?
[20:39] <shadeslayer> markit: hmm.. dont know :)
[20:40] <epicbeardman> before we make suggestions, shouldn't we ask what model wireless card it is?
[20:40] <^Lightning^> Exaactly
[20:40] <^Lightning^> I bet it's Atheros
[20:41] <epicbeardman> ath would probably work, though, right?
[20:41] <epicbeardman> it's most likely either ath or bcm
[20:41] <epicbeardman> but I thought ath5k and ath9k covered 99%
[20:41] <^Lightning^> I have ath. I'm using Karmic. It doesn'
[20:41] <^Lightning^> t work
[20:41] <epicbeardman> markit: have you tried running the restricted drivers installer?
[20:42] <epicbeardman> ^Lightning^: interesante.
[20:42] <^Lightning^> I did mess around when I was Jaunty. Than I upgraded from the package manager today.
[20:42] <^Lightning^> Gonna go to Lucid tomorrow
[20:42] <markit> epicbeardman: I don't know about them... but I think are supported by Free software, otherwise should not work at all
[20:42] <^Lightning^> markit: WHAT LAPTOP DOES YOUR FATHER HAVE?
[20:43] <Pici> !caps
[20:43] <epicbeardman> more specifically, what is the make & model of the wireless card?
[20:43] <markit> ^Lightning^: sorry, I'm switching head between this pc and that laptop, trying your suggestions, so I missed some piece of conversation
[20:43] <shadeslayer> markit: if you can tell us the model no. of the card we can help better :)
[20:43] <markit> the laptop is an acer travelmate 7720g
[20:44] <markit> 04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61)
[20:44] <markit> (lspci output)
[20:44] <markit> Kernel driver in use: iwlagn
[20:45] <^Lightning^> Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (dual-band tri-mode 802.11a/b/g)
[20:46] <marcnarc> Anyone having problems starting amarok after updating to SC 4.4.4?
[20:46] <markit> ok, so I'll try the plasma widget network manager first? (seems not installed by default)
[20:46] <markit> or do you think is a driver issue?
[20:47] <shadeslayer> markit: try the plasma widget first ;)
[20:48] <markit> shadeslayer: can't find locally nor from internet
[20:48] <markit> (looking for "network" keyword)
[20:49] <shadeslayer> markit: cant you connect the latop via ethernet?
[20:50] <shadeslayer> would be easier that way...
[20:50] <markit> shadeslayer: sure, I'm ssh there
[20:50] <shadeslayer> !info plasma-widget-networkmanager
[20:50] <shadeslayer> !info plasma-widget-networkmanagement | markit
[20:50] <markit> and I can aptitude from cable (otherwise wireless connection lasts only few seconds...)
[20:51] <shadeslayer> markit: thats the package name :)
[20:52] <markit> shadeslayer: funny, aptitude search network | grep -i manager does not show it
[20:52] <markit> I'll investigate later
[20:52] <markit> ah, manaGEMENT
[20:52] <markit> lol
[20:52] <markit> I'm tired and probably blind ;)
[20:53] <shadeslayer> markit: :P
[20:56]  * markit crosses his fingers
[20:56] <markit> :(
[20:56] <markit> dropped after some seconds
[20:56] <shadeslayer> markit: again?
[20:57] <shadeslayer> markit: which kernel?
[20:57] <shadeslayer> i have the same card.. :)
[20:58] <^Lightning^> Anyone here can help me with an AR242x?'
[20:58] <markit> argh, I've put the network plasma in teh taskbar, but showed a grayed rectangle
[20:58] <markit> I did "remove panel" but removed the whole taskbar
[20:58] <markit> and of course you can't restore easely
[20:58]  * markit hunts for his note about how to restore it
[20:58] <shadeslayer> markit: oh no no,you need to add the network manager needs to be added in systray
[20:59] <shadeslayer> markit: right click on desktop > add panel
[20:59] <markit> 2.6.32-22-generic
[20:59] <markit> add panel adds an empty one
[20:59] <shadeslayer> markit: ok,try installing the backports modules,that should help
[20:59] <shadeslayer> markit: yeah,that it does
[21:00] <shadeslayer> fill it up with stuff you like :P
[21:00] <markit> hahaha, I try to reset to default instead
[21:00] <markit> maybe I'm lazy, maybe I'm a little irritade by this aproach
[21:00] <markit> irritated
[21:01] <markit> I'm always in fear of removing it when I work with plasmoids, that's not good
[21:01] <^Lightning^> Just lock widgets when yo're done
[21:01] <shadeslayer> markit: ah to reset it to default just remove your .kde folder in ~
[21:03] <markit> rm ~/kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[21:04] <markit> (after a service kdm stop
[21:04] <markit> )
[21:04] <markit> shadeslayer: so you have the same kernel + wireless chipset I have, you don't have any drop, and you are using restricted modules?
[21:05] <shadeslayer> markit: actually im using a newer kernel
[21:05] <markit> btw, probably I've to add an additiona backport repo, can't find any useful restricted package
[21:06] <markit> shadeslayer: oh, me too please! how can I do?
[21:06]  * markit wants 2.6.34
[21:06] <shadeslayer> markit: its the .35 kernel and i did experience some drops on the 34 kernels
[21:06] <markit> shadeslayer: so having it working with restricted modules is only a hope
[21:07] <markit> I thought intel wireless chipset were the best supported by Free software
[21:07] <shadeslayer> markit: well sort of,you could always remove the modules
[21:07] <shadeslayer> markit: yes,but the backports modules are simply newer git snapshots of the drivers
[21:08] <markit> linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-22-generic OR linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic ?
[21:08] <markit> or both?
[21:08] <shadeslayer> markit: the second one
[21:09] <shadeslayer> its a generic package for the modules
[21:09] <markit> ok, better reboot then (old M$Craops habbits, lol)
[21:10] <shadeslayer> markit: newer kernels can be found at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[21:10] <shadeslayer> markit: /!\ USE WITH CAUTION /!\
[21:10] <markit> shadeslayer: well "I'll use IF DESPERATE" lol
[21:10] <shadeslayer> markit: hehe :)
[21:10] <soee_> is it possible to put 2 panels at the top of the screen?
[21:11] <markit> can't tell my daddy that each upgrade we face lots of problems
[21:11] <soee_> i mean second one under firs one
[21:11] <shadeslayer> soee_: yeah,but you wont be access one of them
[21:11] <markit> to be sincere, with foss is always a risk... my life is full of unespected regressions that ruin all your work
[21:11] <soee_> "/
[21:12] <shadeslayer_> markit: gtg ciao
[21:13] <markit> can't put that damn plasmoiod on it's place
[21:13] <markit> shadeslayer_: oh, thanks A LOT
[21:13] <shadeslayer_> np :)
[21:13] <markit> do't know if will work, but thanks a lot anyway
[21:13] <markit> :)
[21:13] <shadeslayer_> markit: what you can also do is rmmod the module and modprobe it again
[21:13] <shadeslayer_> just to check if it does the trick :P
[21:14] <shadeslayer_> markit: sudo rmmod iwlagn;sudo modprobe iwlagn
[21:15] <markit> shadeslayer_: thaks, but I've already rebooted, put the damn plasmoid on teh desktop and I'm testing it
[21:15] <markit> urgh :(
[21:15] <markit> disconnected again
[21:16] <markit> now the pasmoid shows nothing (no wierd nor wireless)
[21:16] <markit> form bad to worse :(
[21:21] <KjetilK> Within a couple of days, on two different systems, the plasma networkmanagement widget has failed on me
[21:21] <KjetilK> and it doesn't seem to start on a restart
[21:23] <KjetilK> so far, I've used it only for wired connections
[21:24] <markit> mmm connection seems to drop exactly after 30 seconds...
[21:24] <KjetilK> I don't know where to start, really
[21:25] <markit> KjetilK: I've removed and reput on teh desktop, seems to list the connections again
[21:25]  * markit tries 2.6.35rc1 kernel, brrrr
[21:26] <KjetilK> hmmm
[21:27] <KjetilK> one weird thing, I seem to have installed both plasma-widget-network-manager and plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[21:28] <markit> shadeslayer_: kernel 2.3.35rc1 seems did the trick, can't thank you enough (and all the others that have helped at the beginning)
[21:29] <shadeslayer_> markit: awesome :D
[21:29] <markit> shadeslayer_: well, scaring! hope new kernel does not wipe out the hard disk ;P
[21:29] <shadeslayer_> markit: can you file a bug against the 22 kernel?
[21:30] <shadeslayer_> markit: nah its pretty stable....
[21:30] <markit> shadeslayer_: I'll go to holiday for some days tomorrow, have no time right now
[21:30] <shadeslayer_> markit: sure no problem
[21:30]  * KjetilK removes the former
[21:30] <markit> wondering also if is a kubuntu-introduced bug or upstream
[21:31] <markit> in any case, I've learned also that if you want a plasmoid in the systray, you have to right click on systray and select "add" from there
[21:31] <markit> to be sincere, is not intuitive at all
[21:31] <markit> (the "modal" aproach is a bad design one)
[21:32] <contrast> Greets, everyone... Anyone using the KDE 4.5 Beta 2 packages yet? I'm wondering about stability, etc. :)
[21:34] <shadeslayer_> contrast: yes you can upgrade but all the usual beta warnings apply
[21:34] <markit> well, I can't put there :( maybe i'm too tired
[21:34] <abdullah> s.a
[21:35] <markit> contrast: belive me, you are in trouble enough just running the "stable" things, don't hurt yourself! :)
[21:36] <contrast> markit: point taken, thanks. :)
[21:36] <KjetilK> can I start the network management widget from command line somehow?
[21:36] <contrast> KjetilK: knetworkmanager
[21:37] <KjetilK> contrast, isn't that a different program?
[21:37] <contrast> markit: Speaking strictly in terms of stability, how would you rate 4.5 so far, compared to 4.4?
[21:37] <bbeck> If I "aptitude upgrade" and I get a message about conflicts (e.g. conflict: 1) how can I go about finding out what that conflict is?
[21:37] <contrast> KjetilK: Erm, well it's a system tray applet, which is what I assumed you meant by "widget." :)
[21:38] <KjetilK> contrast, I'm not quite sure myself, but I was under the impression that the plasma widget is different from the knetworkmanager app...
[21:38] <markit> contrast: I've no idea, I'm fighting since some hours with troubles with 2.6.2 kernel and 4.4.4 kde, so...
[21:38] <contrast> markit: Ohh ok. Well, good luck with that. :)
[21:40] <contrast> KjetilK: Well, there *is* a Network Manager Plasma widget in the plasma-widget-networkmanagement package, but it's not recommended for use as it's supposedly pretty unstable.
[21:41] <KjetilK> contrast, oh, ok
[21:41] <contrast> KjetilK: knetworkmanager, the system tray applet which is installed by default, is probably what you want. ;)
[21:41] <KjetilK> then, that's probably what's bitten me
[21:41] <contrast> KjetilK: Ohh, you installed the widget?
[21:42] <KjetilK> hmmm, I didn't make a conscious decision about doing that on either system, but yeah...
[21:42] <contrast> hehe... Just selected all the packages that started with "plasma-widget-" and clicked Install, eh? I've done that a time or two myself.
[21:43] <basajaun> amichair: ?
[21:44] <contrast> KjetilK: You'll want to be sure to remove the widget from your desktop *before* uninstalling the package. Sometimes Plasma goes nuts if it can't find a widget that's supposed to be on the desktop.
[21:45] <KjetilK> contrast, I always use aptitude, so no :-)
[21:45] <KjetilK> and it isn't running
[21:45] <KjetilK> hmpf
[21:45] <basajaun> just to let you know  concerning the intriguing java application- creating a short cut on desktop to jShisen  opens it straight away renewed thanks for earlier on bye
[21:46]  * KjetilK logs out and gets the box connected with /etc/network/interfaces
[21:58] <KjetilK> OK, now I've got knetworkmanager in, but it just sits there and says "Unmanaged"
[21:58] <KjetilK> what can I do about that?
[21:59] <^Lightning^> I got a problem. Just prgraded to Karmic. network manager won't let me enable wireless
[21:59]  * KjetilK found http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager
[22:01] <^Lightning^> No
[22:01] <^Lightning^> as in I can't see any networks at all
[22:01] <^Lightning^> AR242x
[22:02] <contrast> ^Lightning^: First, open /etc/network/interfaces (Alt+F2 -> kdesudo kate /etc/network/interfaces), then place a # at the beginning of every line under "iface lo inet loopback". Save and exit...
[22:03] <contrast> Then, in a terminal (Alt+F2 -> konsole), run the following commands: sudo service networking restart; sudo service network-manager restart
[22:04] <^Lightning^> no lines below iface xxxxxxxx
[22:04] <^Lightning^> auto lo
[22:04] <^Lightning^> iface lo inet loopback
[22:04] <^Lightning^> Tha'ts it
[22:05] <contrast> ^Lightning^: Oook... Then let's have a look at /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state. Could you pastebin the contents of that file?
[22:06] <^Lightning^> 1 min
[22:06] <shadeslayer_> contrast: btw ever tried the network manager with WICD backend? does it work>
[22:07] <contrast> shadeslayer_: Never tried it. NM generally does the job for me. :)
[22:07] <shadeslayer_> hmm.. my nm doesnt connect to WEP networks sometimes :P
[22:07] <^Lightning^> I did that with a kdesudo kate
[22:07] <^Lightning^> Either empty, or non existent
[22:07] <KjetilK> Hmmmm, all I get when I set managed=true and then restart network-manager is "Network Management disabled"
[22:07] <KjetilK> and indeed, the state says so too
[22:09] <contrast> KjetilK: Pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces and /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state files?
[22:10] <contrast> ^Lightning^: I just googled "ar242x wireless ubuntu" (no quotes) and it showed several promising hits. Sounds like a hardware issue, so I'd start there. :)
[22:10] <^Lightning^> I've tried it all before
[22:11] <^Lightning^> Nothing works. It worked for a week and stopped suddenly
[22:11] <contrast> "hardware issue" as in you're missing a module.
[22:11] <contrast> ^Lightning^: So you installed madwifi?
[22:11] <mirza> I allso had wireless problems sicne last week and kernel update i think
[22:11] <mirza> knetworkmanager is disabled allways
[22:11] <mirza> bu wicd seems to work for me
[22:11] <contrast> Or do you mean it was working out of the box?
[22:12] <^Lightning^> I did something
[22:12] <^Lightning^> From some guide
[22:12] <^Lightning^> Now it's all screwed up
[22:12] <contrast> Did you save said guide to your bookmarks by any chance? That doesn't really give me much to go on. ;)
[22:13] <shadeslayer_> or maybe check your history :P
[22:13] <^Lightning^> I have a guide in my bookmarks
[22:14] <^Lightning^> But I don't think it
[22:14] <^Lightning^> it's THAT one.
[22:14] <KjetilK> contrast, OK, I have to get it back on the net with interfaces to do that, just a minute
[22:15] <KjetilK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/447411/
[22:16] <KjetilK> shouldn't be any surprises there...
[22:16] <contrast> brb, phone...
[22:19] <contrast> KjetilK: sudo mv /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state ~; sudo service network-manager restart
[22:19] <mukitu> hej everyone. I installed fglrx which worked quite well but I can't activete composite in KDE. fglrxinfo gives me no errors
[22:20] <contrast> KjetilK: Then just restart KNetworkManager
[22:21] <tinti> Hi, I want to change notifications from bottom/up to left/right where exactly is the source code of notificatio widget on taskbar
[22:21] <tinti> ?
[22:24] <KjetilK> contrast, ah, there, finally
[22:24] <Scunizi> How do you get kmail to Forward and email with an attachment.. so far I've found it strips the attachment
[22:25] <KjetilK> since I had used ifup -a -i /root/interfaces, I had to ifdown that first, kill knetworkmanager, which appeared to be hanging, then restart network-manager, then start knetworkmanager
[22:26] <KjetilK> thanks a lot
[22:26] <shadeslayer_> Scunizi: tried googling? ( ive only just started using kmail )
[22:28] <contrast> glad to help. :)
[22:30] <tazz> i am trying to install dependencies for building kde on 10.04, is there any replacement for the libcaptury-dev package ?
[22:31] <tazz> it seems to be dropped.
[22:34] <shadeslayer_> tazz: one sec
[22:35] <shadeslayer_> !find libcaptury-dev
[22:35] <shadeslayer_> tazz: what depends on it?
[22:36] <tazz> shadeslayer_, its mentioned at http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Kubuntu_and_Debian
[22:36] <shadeslayer_> tazz: btw #kubuntu-devel might have more idea on this
[22:36] <tazz> shadeslayer_, yup
[22:36] <shadeslayer_> tazz: its a optional dep
[22:37] <tazz> shadeslayer_, yes i know, i am ignoring it for now. But i just wanted to make sure i was not missing something before i modify the documentation :)
[22:37] <shadeslayer_> tazz: :)
[22:37] <shadeslayer_> tazz: you can pull in all the deps with apt-get build-dep kdebase-workspace
[22:38] <shadeslayer_> well... most of them,those are the deps that the official packages were built against
[22:38] <tazz> yup
[22:38] <tazz> well the page could be outofdate
[22:39] <shadeslayer_> probably...
[23:53] <hagabaka> I hate when newer versions of KDE are on ppa, they cause some programs/plasmoids to be removed
[23:56] <shadeslayer> hagabaka: thats because upstream KDE removed them
[23:58] <hagabaka> oh