[00:04] <Ian_corne> aah, I'm glad wifi works again :)
[00:07] <BUGabundo> now fix video codecs too
[00:09] <Ian_corne> What's broken?
[00:09] <Ian_corne> I'm watching avi's atm
[00:14] <BUGabundo> humm
[00:14] <BUGabundo> I couldn'ti can retest
[00:15] <BUGabundo> No suitable decoder module:
[00:15] <BUGabundo> VLC does not support the audio or video format "avc1". Unfortunately there is no way for you to fix this.
[00:15] <Ian_corne> Vlc.
[00:16] <BUGabundo> totem is busy playing music
[00:16] <BUGabundo> cause pygtk is broken for exaile
[00:16] <Ian_corne> BUGabundo: doesn't vlc have it's own codecs?
[00:16] <BUGabundo> no
[00:17] <Ian_corne> oh
[00:46] <bjsnider> vlc uses ffmpeg for codecs. so whatever ffmpeg has, vlc can play
[00:47] <BUGabundo> but since maverick has all codecs broken
[00:47] <BUGabundo> I can't play nothing with any player
[00:48] <bjsnider> libavcodec can play vc1 files
[00:50] <BUGabundo> well them some update is not fixing it for me
[00:50] <BUGabundo> the bug we filed for the codecs is closed
[00:50] <BUGabundo> and me and some others users, can't play squat
[00:57] <bjsnider> videolan will pass along a bit more info if you open it in a console
[01:04] <BUGabundo> $ videolan
[01:04] <BUGabundo> videolan: command not found
[01:04] <BUGabundo> [0x211ecb8] main decoder warning: cannot load module `/usr/lib/vlc/codec/libavcodec_plugin.so' (libavutil.so.49: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[01:05] <bjsnider> ah, there you go
[01:05] <bjsnider> install libavutil
[01:05] <bjsnider> libavutil-49
[01:05] <bjsnider> wait, it's called libavutil49 i think
[01:07] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: wants to remove libavutil49-extra
[01:08] <bjsnider> ok, so it's already installed, but this is an old version
[01:08] <BUGabundo> yes
[01:08] <BUGabundo> we are on 50
[01:08] <bjsnider> why do you have the old version?
[01:08] <BUGabundo> but -50 wants to remove half my OS
[01:09] <BUGabundo> I do have libavutil-extra-50
[01:09] <bjsnider> have you got any ppas or other outside maverick sources?
[01:09] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -l | grep libavutil | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/446902/
[01:09] <BUGabundo> several
[01:10] <bjsnider> what about vlc? where did it come from?
[01:10] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy vlc | pastebinit  http://paste.ubuntu.com/446904/
[01:10] <BUGabundo> archive
[01:11] <bjsnider> i wonder if it was built before or after ffmpeg. it needs to be rebuilt after a new ffmpeg version like that
[01:12] <bjsnider> you have 2 ffmpeg versions in there conflicting with each other and you need to resolve that
[01:13] <bjsnider> actually you have 3 ffmpeg versions
[01:13] <BUGabundo> at least now I have video
[01:13] <BUGabundo> cool
[01:13] <BUGabundo> guess I can sleep now
[01:13] <BUGabundo> thanks bjsnider
[01:13] <BUGabundo> :)
[01:38] <sebsebseb> Anyone active here?
[01:39] <coz_> sebsebseb,  I believe so unless they are all in europe which means they are asleep :)
[01:39] <sebsebseb> coz_: no not everyone in Europe is asleep
[01:39] <sebsebseb> anyway look at this
[01:40] <sebsebseb> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/1.199
[01:40] <sebsebseb> bye bye aptitude and tasksel it seems
[01:40] <coz_> mmm
[01:41] <sebsebseb> tasksel is used by Debian, and not Ubuntu as far as I know
[01:41] <coz_> I wonderif this is already in repositories
[01:41] <coz_> let me check
[01:41] <sebsebseb> ,but removing aptitude is bound to annoy  quite a few more experienced users
[01:42] <coz_> sebsebseb,  yeah I never use aptitude myself...only apt  but for sure it will irritate if that is the case
[01:43] <sebsebseb> coz_: yeah
[01:44] <coz_> sebsebseb,  I dont see this in the current updates  so far
[01:45] <bruce89> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/1.199
[01:45] <coz_> bruce89,  yea :)  that is what we have been talking about
[01:46] <bruce89> I found out on identica today
[01:47] <coz_> well from that link tasksel if only removed from minimal
[01:47] <coz_> aptitude  from standard
[01:47] <bruce89> I have a theory about the hidious gnome-terminal background
[01:49] <coz_> what;s the theory? :)
[01:49] <bruce89> they're driving people from the CLI you see
[01:54] <sebsebseb> coz_: http://identi.ca/conversation/35175401
[01:55] <coz_> sebsebseb,  oo  already  upset :)
[01:55] <bruce89> I'll declare that I'm a Fedora person now
[01:55] <sebsebseb> coz_: uh?
[01:55] <coz_> sebsebseb,  according to that link people are upset already :)
[01:56] <sebsebseb> coz_: well this distro is really for the newbies and those that want to help them, starting with 9.04
[01:56] <coz_> sebsebseb,  fedora / debian are to  "anal" about gpl for my tastes
[01:56] <sebsebseb> coz_: Ubuntu I mean
[01:56] <coz_> sebsebseb,  right understood
[01:56] <sebsebseb> its not so much for expereinced users anymore really
[01:57] <sebsebseb> so yeah bye bye aptitude and tasksel I guess
[01:57] <bruce89> coz_: because they actually care about freedom
[01:57] <coz_> sebsebseb,  well... the way I look at it is... ubuntu is what you make of it
[01:57] <bruce89> instead of market share like sebsebseb here
[01:58] <coz_> maybe  but I have been with ubuntu since day one... so  ... I even have the install disks
[01:58] <sebsebseb> I don't want loads of people to use Windows :)  or Mac OS X, but mainly Windows
[01:58] <sebsebseb> coz_: second release in 2005 for me
[01:58] <sebsebseb> not my first distro though
[01:58] <coz_> sebsebseb,  not mine either ...actually I was using BeOs at the time
[01:58] <bruce89> coz_: i kind of was
[01:58] <sebsebseb> !freedom
[01:59] <coz_> sebsebseb,  i switch as many of my clients over to ubuntu as possible and not a single one has had complaints   but loads of compliments
[02:00] <sebsebseb> coz_: oh?
[02:00] <sebsebseb> loads of them have complained about Ubuntu, thats what your saying?
[02:01] <bruce89> compliments != complaints
[02:01] <bruce89> != == not equal
[02:01] <bruce89> quiet ubottu
[02:01] <coz_> bruce89,   no no...many have onlly given praise to ubuntu
[02:02] <bruce89> I know, I was explaining the differences in the words to seb
[02:02] <coz_> oh sorry :)
[02:02] <bruce89> no problem
[02:03] <sebsebseb> bruce89: you know I don't understand that == stuff and what not, useaully
[02:03] <sebsebseb> if ever
[02:03] <bruce89> no matter how many times we explain it
[02:04] <bruce89> not equal is equal to not equal it meant
[02:07] <bruce89> http://identi.ca/conversation/35246956
[02:10] <coz_> bruce89,  oooo  synaptic  at some point?   I will complain then :)
[02:10] <sebsebseb> coz_: Synaptic is going to be replaced by Software Centre in 10.10
[02:10] <sebsebseb> as far as I know
[02:10] <sebsebseb> in the default install
[02:10] <bruce89> yes
[02:11] <coz_> sebsebseb,  oo  mmm... what about  "history"  freezing an application though... with this be available via software centre
[02:12] <sebsebseb> coz_: whats that?
[02:12] <bruce89> pinning
[02:12] <coz_> sorry about that
[02:12] <bruce89> pinning a specific version of a package
[02:12] <coz_> sebsebseb,  in synaptic you can vie
[02:13] <coz_> view histroy
[02:13] <coz_> sebsebseb,  or freeze an application version
[02:13] <coz_> sebsebseb,  would be nice if available in software centre as well
[02:13] <sebsebseb> Synaptic is great,  software centre realy isn't so far, except for the  looks
[02:14] <coz_> agreed
[02:14] <bruce89> they should have got rid of synaptic and software-center
[02:14] <bruce89> and rely on the aptitude GUI
[02:14] <bruce89> or heaven forbid, packagekit-gnome
[02:14] <coz_> bruce89,  well so far.... my clients all love synaptic... I think it is a cool front end and easily understood
[02:14] <sebsebseb> bruce89: maybe, but they can't sell commercial apps with those?
[02:15] <bruce89> coz_: indeed, the UI is a bit yucky
[02:15] <sebsebseb> bruce89: which ui is a bit yucky?
[02:15] <bruce89> synaptic's
[02:16] <bruce89> last I used it that is
[02:17] <coz_> bruce89,  well it is simple looking  but that is one of it's "ease of use"  factors I believe
[02:17] <bruce89> sorry I keep banging on about PackageKit, but it really is a lovely system
[02:17] <sebsebseb> Synaptic is great
[02:17] <bruce89> cov_: it wasn't that, it was the icons and the treeview size being all wide
[02:17] <sebsebseb> it may be a bit old looking though, but even so
[02:17] <sebsebseb> Synaptic is great
[02:17] <coz_> sebsebseb,  I agree :)
[02:18] <sebsebseb> well  Gnome 2 is also a bit old looking, but it is great, without those not that good Canonical changes of course bruce89
[02:18] <bruce89> I always used aptitude anyway, I like not having old packages lying around
[02:18] <sebsebseb> however since Gnome Shell doesn't seem popular with a lot of Ubuntu users who have tried it so far
[02:18] <bruce89> because the version in ubuntu is bloody old
[02:18] <sebsebseb> these Canonical edits, may turn into something good
[02:18] <sebsebseb> bruce89: even those that done the ppa
[02:19] <coz_> sebsebseb,  gome shell would be great if they actually incorporated that mock up of "Clever windows"
[02:19] <sebsebseb> seems quite a lot of them don't like it
[02:20] <sebsebseb> coz_: link>?
[02:20] <sebsebseb> link?
[02:20] <coz_> sebsebseb, sure hold on
[02:20] <bruce89> coz_: the task pooper?
[02:21] <coz_> sebsebseb,  bruce89    http://www.stefanoforenza.com/clever-windows-management-for-gnome/
[02:21] <bruce89> the magic of gnome-shell is that things like that can be done relatively easily
[02:22] <coz_> bruce89,  that would be cool ... sort of compiz replace ment  although I would stick with ocmpiz
[02:22] <coz_> compiz
[02:22] <bruce89> DISCLAIMER: I'm a GNOME contributor
[02:22] <coz_> :)
[02:22] <sebsebseb> yeah he translates Gnome into real English
[02:23] <sebsebseb> yes I mean British English :D
[02:23] <bruce89> I haven't had any bugs filed yet, I don't think people know the difference
[02:27] <sebsebseb> coz_: yeah that looks ok that video
[02:27] <sebsebseb> I guess they used compiz to make it though?
[02:27] <coz_> sebsebseb,  i think it was done in blender actually :)
[02:27] <sebsebseb> coz_: compiz uhmm never really got far with it effect wide,  can do the cube and wobberly windows and thatsa bout it
[02:27] <sebsebseb> and compiz gets boring
[02:28] <sebsebseb> and if I want eye candy more of it, well KDE
[02:28] <bruce89> gnome-shell never will!
[02:28] <sebsebseb> and I like keep it simple stupid,  hence why I like Gnome 2
[02:28] <coz_> sebsebseb,  I disagree... in fact  a fellow working in the city of Largo florida had  switched the entire city governemnt computers over to linux   suse I believe along with compiz
[02:28] <coz_> sebsebseb,  they love it
[02:28] <coz_> let me get his blog link
[02:28] <bruce89> sebsebseb: why not LXDE
[02:29] <sebsebseb> bruce89: LXDE is also nice
[02:29] <sebsebseb> ,but
[02:29] <sebsebseb> I have used Gnome since 2004 :)
[02:29] <sebsebseb> so rather used to Gnome 2 by now
[02:29] <bruce89> good thing that 3.0 is really 2.32
[02:29] <coz_> sebsebseb,   http://davelargo.blogspot.com/    we talk with him on occasion in #compiz-dev  and #compiz when he is trying out new stuff
[02:29] <sebsebseb> bruce89: why?
[02:29] <bruce89> because that's what it is called
[02:29] <sebsebseb> also what about virtual machines,  apparnatly can't do compiz in them? or Gnome Shell at the moment?
[02:29] <sebsebseb> well thats not very good then
[02:30] <coz_> sebsebseb,  I think that is waht the  Nomad  project is partily about
[02:30] <coz_> partly
[02:30] <bruce89> that's what gnome-panel3 is for
[02:30] <sebsebseb> coz_: Nomad?  the Gnome legacy one or?
[02:30] <coz_> sebsebseb,  no the Novel project I believe that is its name let me check
[02:30] <sebsebseb> coz_: you make Compiz?
[02:30] <bruce89> sebsebseb: Unity will save you
[02:30] <sebsebseb> bruce89: no it won't
[02:30] <sebsebseb> thats only for netbook version
[02:31] <coz_> sebsebseb,  no I am part of the support team and graphics for compiz
[02:31] <bruce89> UNOME will then
[02:31] <coz_> sebsebseb,    http://en.opensuse.org/Nomad
[02:31] <sebsebseb> bruce89 loves Compiz! :D
[02:31] <bruce89> sebsebseb loves being annoying
[02:31] <coz_> :)
[02:32] <sebsebseb> yeah he doesn't seem to like it much
[02:32] <coz_> Nomad is david raveman's baby I believe...same guy that created
[02:32] <coz_> compiz initially
[02:32] <bruce89> sebsebseb: I'll thank you to not air my opinions, I'll do that
[02:35] <sebsebseb> right bruce89 lets try and find out here since your wondering
[02:35] <sebsebseb> Can Ubuntu play WebM?
[02:35] <bruce89> maverick no doubt can
[02:36] <coz_> oh let me ask this again now that a few people are here... I notice in maverick global rgba  however some applicatoins are not wroking properly with that ...ie  some game  but  where would the conf file be to  disable those applications for rgba?  I cannot find  /etc/probile.d/gtkrgba.sh
[02:38] <sebsebseb> coz_: yeah this  rgba stuff transparant look,  thats something I am interested in, but other distros can already do it
[02:38] <coz_> sebsebseb,  its already on my maverick system but  some apps are not rgba ready or some I just want to exclude from it
[02:39] <coz_> cant't find the conf file for it though
[02:39] <coz_> ah well another day  maybe :)
[02:39] <coz_> right now I have to break .. be back later
[02:40] <coz_> thanks guys for the completely offtopic conversation :)
[02:40] <bruce89> coz_: that was only added to GTK+ 3 hours ago
[02:40] <bruce89> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?h=client-side-decorations&id=68a12cf28c12778942690d58d7d83b86286ece52
[02:40] <coz_> bruce89, oh?
[02:40] <coz_> ah
[02:40] <coz_> bruce89,  well its on my system :)
[02:40] <sebsebseb> coz_: I thought bruce89 would know something, so told him to look here again
[02:41] <bruce89> due to Ubuntu patching an experimental branch of GTK+ in to their packages
[02:42] <coz_> bruce89,  oh isee.   mm ok I need to learn how to disable some apps with this
[02:42] <coz_> it was easy when I installed global rgba on karmic since the /etc/profile.d/gtkrgba.sh file was there
[02:43] <coz_> anyway I really do need to break here  be back hopefully later :)
[02:46] <jcastro> if someone see's coz when he comes back you can do "export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1"
[02:46] <jcastro> that should allow the app to work
[02:47] <avi_> anyone know if Maverick will support the absolutely needed function to wake from suspend/sleep?
[09:01] <BUGabundo_remote> yes mummy,I won't dance in the rain!
[09:50] <ripps> I have a question, how come If I do `sudo nano code.c` there's no color highlight, but if I do it normally with `nano` or I enter a root environmet with `sudo -i` color works.
[09:52] <Ian_corne> Because you don't have the config files in /root/ but do have them in your homedir
[09:52] <Ian_corne> and sudo -i uses your homedir's config files
[09:52] <ripps> Ian_corne: ah, that might explain it. what files do add to /root/ to get that working?
[09:53] <Ian_corne> never having used nano for real, but I think .nanorc or something?
[12:45] <nessita> good morning +1 crowd! I upgraded my desktop computer to maverick yesterday, and the eth0 interface is gone. Can I have some help please? :-)
[12:45] <Ian_corne> morning
[12:45] <nessita> hi Ian_corne
[12:46] <Ian_corne> nessita: check if network isn't disabled in the network manager
[12:47] <nessita> Ian_corne: I have not NM installed, I specifically uninstalled it in Lucid to be able to have a fixed IP
[12:48] <Ian_corne> nessita: you can still have a fixed IP(on boot) if you input the details in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:48] <Ian_corne> but that's beside the point
[12:48] <Ian_corne> ifconfig eth0 up do anything?
[12:49] <nessita> Ian_corne: eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such Device
[12:49] <Ian_corne> if you run ifconfig -a
[12:49] <Ian_corne> does it show then?
[12:49] <Ian_corne> oh
[12:49] <Ian_corne> maybe it's been renamed to eth1
[12:49] <nessita> same error
[12:49] <Ian_corne> try ifconfig -a to list all your thingies
[12:49] <Ian_corne> hmm
[12:49] <nessita> it just lists lo and vboxnet0
[12:50] <Ian_corne> is it in a virtualbox?
[12:50] <nessita> nopes
[12:50] <nessita> it has viertualbox installed
[12:51] <nessita> I can uninstall it with no problem, if it will help
[12:51] <Ian_corne> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1503296&page=2 I think this guy has the same problem
[12:51] <nessita> (can't think how will it help, but hey)
[12:51] <Ian_corne> Don't see any answer yet tho
[12:51] <Ian_corne> file a bug report?
[12:52] <nessita> Ian_corne: sure
[12:52] <Ian_corne> is it a clean install
[12:52] <Ian_corne> or upgrade?
[12:52] <Ian_corne> oh upgrade
[12:52] <yofel> checked dmesg? it should list the network card there when it initializes it
[12:52] <Ian_corne> you could try deleting /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[12:52] <Ian_corne> and rebooting
[12:52] <Ian_corne> that also
[12:53] <nessita> Ian_corne: replaced by hand lucid by maverick in sources.list and then aptitude update plus aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:53] <nessita> Ian_corne: what project should I file the bug into?
[12:53] <Ian_corne> well, do what yofel said first :)
[12:54] <Ian_corne> I'm actually not sure which package to file this bug under
[12:54] <nessita> yofel: there is no eth0, not "interface" word in dmesg
[12:54] <nessita> I do see the Ethernet card in lspci
[12:55] <yofel> nessita: search for 'Network' maybe?
[12:55] <nessita> yofel: got this match:
[12:56] <nessita> e1000e: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - 1.0.2-k4
[12:56] <nessita> copyright bla bla
[12:56] <nessita> alloc irq_desc for 10 on node -1
[12:57] <nessita> and it follows, want me to copy more?
[12:57] <yofel> hm, any error? as it works fine here
[12:57] <yofel> [    1.762019] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection
[12:57] <yofel> 2.6.35-1
[12:58] <nessita> yofel: same kernel version for me
[12:58] <yofel> ok, network card: 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82577LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 06)
[12:59] <nessita> yofel: I don't have a line like that
[12:59] <yofel> nessita: can you pastebin the whole dmesg output maybe? 'dmesg | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com'
[12:59] <yofel> nessita: that was from lspci
[12:59] <yofel> the previous one was from dmesg though
[12:59] <nessita> yofel: how can I paste it? hmmm I guess I can copy the output to a USB stick
[12:59] <nessita> and then read it from the laptop
[12:59] <nessita> and theeeen pastebin it :-)
[12:59] <yofel> ah yeah ^^
[13:00]  * nessita does
[13:07] <nessita> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/591702
[13:07] <nessita> yofel: I attached the outputs there (dmesg, lspci, and the interfaces file)
[13:08] <nessita> yofel: I'm not sure if it's related but I uninstalled network manager while being on Lucid, and now the static definition for eth0 is commented out in the interfaces file (it wasn't before)
[13:12] <yofel> from dmesg:
[13:12] <yofel> [    2.982706] e1000e 0000:00:19.0: PCI INT A disabled
[13:12] <yofel> [    2.982814] e1000e: probe of 0000:00:19.0 failed with error -3
[13:13] <nessita> yofel: ouch
[13:13] <nessita> what does that mean? :-0
[13:13] <yofel> no idea
[13:13] <yofel> I'll assign it to the kernel
[13:14] <nessita> yofel: is there anyone I can talk to about this? I kind of need that computer to work :-/
[13:15] <yofel> I hate to say this, but you do have backups?
[13:15] <yofel> and let me ping someone
[13:16] <yofel> nessita: can you add the output of 'uname -a' to the bug please?
[13:17] <nessita> yofel: no I don't, I was convinced the upgrade would be smooth -- I was expecting issues with the video but not network, je
[13:17] <nessita> yofel: sure I can, anything else?
[13:17] <nessita> like the output of ifconfig eth0 up?
[13:17] <yofel> actually...
[13:17] <Ian_corne> yofel: not like anything's lost
[13:18] <yofel> nessita: can you run 'sudo apport-cli linux' on that pc? Save the report, copy it to your other pc and file the bug from there, we'll get a lot more info with that
[13:19] <nessita> yofel: sure
[13:19] <yofel> (file a new bug, and mark the old one a dup of the new one)
[13:19] <nessita> Ian_corne: shall I still try the removal of the file you mentioned in udev?
[13:20] <Ian_corne> check that file out first
[13:20] <Ian_corne> if you see anything wrong, remove it, it'll get generated next time
[13:20] <Ian_corne> but if there's anything wrong, it should just name your device eth1
[13:21] <nessita> Ian_corne: I see nothing weird, though I'm not sure what weird is in this context :-)
[13:25] <yofel> nessita: oh, and can you try one of the kernels from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ ? especially 2.6.35-rc2
[13:25] <nessita> yofel: how can I try one of those?
[13:26] <yofel> meh, rc2 failed to build
[13:26] <yofel> maybe try http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.34-lucid/ and see if it works with 34
[13:27] <yofel> nessita: just download the deb files (the _all ones and the ones for your architecture) and install them
[13:27] <BUGabundo_remote> nessita: two things:
[13:27] <yofel> like with 'sudo dpkg -i linux*.deb'
[13:27] <BUGabundo_remote> the proper method to upgrade is update-manager -d
[13:27] <yofel> nessita: after you copied them to the other pc
[13:27] <BUGabundo_remote> 2nd: maverick is alpha software
[13:27] <BUGabundo_remote> it can and *will* cause brakage
[13:28] <BUGabundo_remote> if you need stable production OS , please refer to lucid or other stable releases
[13:28] <yofel> nessita: download the headers and the image, you don't need the source
[13:28] <BUGabundo_remote> no support is garanteed in Maverick
[13:28] <nessita> BUGabundo_remote: I know, I work for Canonical and I'm helping testing the aplha release of Maverick :-)
[13:29] <BUGabundo_remote> ahahah
[13:29] <nessita> BUGabundo_remote: and update-manager -d didn't offer the possibility to update to maverick
[13:29] <BUGabundo_remote> complain to your boss then :)
[13:29] <BUGabundo_remote> yes it does
[13:29] <BUGabundo_remote> since alpha1 is out
[13:29] <BUGabundo_remote> several of the users in here did it
[13:29] <patdk-wk> unless you have it set to only show lts releases
[13:29] <yofel> you need to set update-manager to accest non-lts releases first
[13:29] <BUGabundo_remote> correct
[13:30] <yofel> s/accest/accept/
[13:30]  * BUGabundo_remote keeps forgetting LL is lTS
[13:30] <nessita> BUGabundo_remote: my boss couldn't did it either, he did the dist-upgrade as well.
[13:30] <nessita> BUGabundo_remote: ah, I probably dn't have the non LTS option enabled
[13:31] <nessita> anyways, I don't like graphical tools, I strongly prefer command line
[13:31] <nessita> yofel: new bug report is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/591707 and I maked the fomer one as dup of this one
[13:32] <nessita> yofel: so, next step, to try kernel 2.6.34. I'll download those and install
[13:32] <patdk-wk> hmm, I can't get my e1000's to messup :(
[13:33] <nessita> patdk-wk: I had a static config in /etc/network/interfaces
[13:33] <nessita> patdk-wk: no idea if it's related, but maybe?
[13:34] <patdk-wk> nope, that happens much much later after your issue :)
[13:51] <nessita> yofel: when installing the -34 kernel I see several "dkms_autoinstaller: Build failed. Installation skipped."
[13:51] <nessita> for nvidia module at least
[13:52] <nessita> yofel: shall I reboot the same?
[14:11] <nessita> yofel: confirmed no eth0 on 2.6.34-020634
[14:12] <gnomefreak> 2.6.34?
[14:12] <nessita> gnomefreak: yeap, I was testing 2.6.34 because I have no eth0 on 2.6.35 either
[14:13] <gnomefreak> ah
[14:20] <nessita> yofel: eth0 on kernel 2.6.32-22 does work, though video is awful
[14:25] <patdk-wk> strange
[14:31] <nessita> patdk-wk: any other idea? :-)
[14:39] <patdk-wk> nope
[14:39] <patdk-wk> only thing I can think of is maybe a change in your southbridge or something in the kernel source
[14:39] <patdk-wk> why it would affect you but not me
[14:39] <patdk-wk> not really sure
[14:40] <nessita> patdk-wk: but why will -32 kernel work and not 34/35?
[14:40] <patdk-wk> oviously something changed :)
[14:41] <patdk-wk> if e1000 works for me but not you,  Idoubt it was the e1000 driver that changed
[14:42]  * nessita is sad
[14:50] <nessita> patdk-wk: how did you upgrade?
[15:09] <dupondje> the xorg updates are almost thare
[15:09] <dupondje> damn :)
[15:10] <yofel> patdk-wk: are you using e1000 or e1000e? they're not the same
[15:11] <yofel> e1000e works fine here though
[15:11] <yofel> didn't try my other notebook yet
[15:11] <patdk-wk> hmm, dunno, lets see
[15:12] <patdk-wk> normal e1000
[15:13]  * gnomefreak hates bugs
[15:17] <patdk-wk> hmm, e1000e doesn't work on that system
[15:17] <patdk-wk> I have two other systems I could try it on, but neither have maverick on them
[15:18] <patdk-wk> and these two systems are using e1000e :)
[15:20] <nessita> patdk-wk: e1000e worked perfectly for me till yesterday, and I was running lucid with latest updates
[15:20] <patdk-wk> well, both of my e1000e systems are lucid
[15:20] <patdk-wk> but yes, it's the >2.6.33 kernel issue probably
[15:20] <patdk-wk> well, >=
[15:21] <patdk-wk> guess I will have to setup maverick on one of these to test :)
[15:29] <nessita> patdk-wk: I can help in any way you need, I need to have this cmputer usable
[15:46] <patdk-wk> nessita, install a realtek card :)
[15:47] <nessita> patdk-wk: buuuuuuuu!
[15:48] <pmatulis> installer seems borked when using LVM
[15:50] <patdk-wk> nessita, I carry around a usb network adaptor, just incase I need it, normally use it when I need to network connections on my laptop though
[15:50] <nessita> patdk-wk: I do have one!!!
[15:50] <nessita> whay I didn't try before?
[15:51] <patdk-wk> cause it's non-optimal :)
[15:51] <nessita> patdk-wk: I have an Encore ENUWI-G2
[15:51]  * nessita wonders if will it work while she plugs it in
[16:05] <nessita> patdk-wk: seems like there is an issue with this driver, as per http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-netdev/2010/5/11/6276964
[16:05] <patdk-wk> hmm
[16:05] <nessita> patdk-wk: my manager and I asked in ubuntu-desktop, and they added the patch to rc2
[16:05] <patdk-wk> I just have a linksys one
[16:05] <nessita> which I'm now dowloading
[16:05] <nessita> and about to install
[17:14] <nessita> patdk-wk: new kernel didn't solve the issue, and tgardner is working on it (juts FYI)
[17:16] <patdk-wk> heh
[17:16] <patdk-wk> so 0 for 2 network cards :(
[18:18] <DanaG> Argh, how am I supposed to WakeOnLAN if it takes the interface down before suspend?
[18:18] <DanaG> The hub is still powered, but the usb-ethernet link goes down.
[19:06] <patdk-wk> wake on lan has nothing to do with the interface being down, it's suppost to be :)
[19:06] <patdk-wk> and how the hell can you wakeonlan over usb-ethernet, it's impossible :)
[19:56] <dupondje> bleh
[19:56] <dupondje> firefox is crashing @ random
[19:57] <dupondje> jl        2653  6.2 11.4 1060072 234988 ?      D    15:37  19:53 /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.3/firefox-bin
[19:57] <dupondje> and now its locked :s
[20:35] <kklimonda> hmm.. were aubergine icons reverted back to the orange ones in maverick?
[21:01] <Volkodav> does the installer offer the brtfs ?
[21:07] <dupondje> blehhh
[21:07] <dupondje> iwl3945 brooooken :(
[21:10] <Volkodav> dupondje: do you remember if the installer offer the brtfs ?
[21:11] <dupondje> no idea
[21:25] <DanaG> patdk-wk: actually, that asix will WOL in Windows.
[21:25] <DanaG> If WOL is enabled, it stays up when the box goes into sleep.
[21:46] <BUGabundo> guud evening dear friends and weird ones :)
[21:55] <dupondje> lol
[21:55] <dupondje> you the weird one ;)
[21:59] <BUGabundo> I am
[22:05] <gnomefreak> he is
[22:05] <gnomefreak> shhhhh dont tell him
[22:06] <gnomefreak> ok be bakc sooner or later :(
[22:11] <dupondje> BUGabundo: xorg updates also waiting @ yours ?
[22:12] <gnomefreak> dupondje: they are not ready yet
[22:12] <dupondje> how you mean ?
[22:12] <gnomefreak> i was talking with the X devs well 2 of them this monring
[22:12] <dupondje> its weird
[22:12] <gnomefreak> dupondje: there are a bunch of them but dont do them yet
[22:12] <BUGabundo> dupondje: +1
[22:12] <dupondje> like on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-mouse
[22:13] <dupondje> it shows newer version is published
[22:13] <dupondje> but can't find it in repo's
[22:13] <BUGabundo> don't force upgrade them
[22:13] <BUGabundo> or move to xedgers ppa
[22:13] <BUGabundo> they are ready there
[22:13] <gnomefreak> published does not mean in the rpeos
[22:13] <dupondje> gnomefreak: where are they then ? :)
[22:14] <gnomefreak> it has to pass by an archive admin and there are only 1 or 2 at any given time
[22:14] <gnomefreak> dupondje: expeck it in the next few days. that is not the only package holding X up
[22:15] <gnomefreak> expect
[22:15] <dupondje> alot got into archive today
[22:15] <BUGabundo> dupondje: the packages are in the NEW queue
[22:15] <BUGabundo> waiting to dep build
[22:16] <h00k> Unity is also snowing the netbook-launcher in the background :)
[22:16] <dupondje> kernel upgrade came out :)
[22:16] <dupondje> sweet :D
[22:16] <gnomefreak> dupondje: X is going to have alot of problems this cycle so just sit back relax and wait for breakage
[22:17] <dupondje> héhé :p
[22:17] <BUGabundo> dupondje: does it fix the gwibber bug?
[22:17] <dupondje> kernel bug that fixes gwibber isue ?!
[22:18] <BUGabundo> super duper security
[22:18] <BUGabundo> broke desktop couch db
[22:18] <dupondje> don't use Gwibber ... :)
[22:18] <dupondje> so
[22:20] <gnomefreak> desktopcouch will never get fixed to where it works all the time :(
[22:22]  * gnomefreak smoke and break stuff
[22:22] <dupondje> hmmm
[22:22] <dupondje> somebody updated to newer kernel?
[22:22] <dupondje> upgrade seems broken
[22:22] <h00k> 2.6.35-2-generic ?
[22:23] <dupondje> yea
[22:23] <h00k> I'm on it alright
[22:23] <h00k> on this netbook
[22:24] <dupondje> upgrade worked for you ?
[22:24] <h00k> Upgrade to the new kernel? yeah
[22:25] <dupondje> root      7688  0.0  0.0  10488  1120 pts/3    S+   23:23   0:00 awk /^insmod/ { print $2 }
[22:25] <dupondje> this is what it executes
[22:25] <dupondje> keeps stalled ofc :P
[22:27] <BUGabundo> h00k: can I test gwibber please
[22:27] <h00k> BUGabundo: can you test it? You're asking me permission?
[22:27] <h00k> BUGabundo: or you want me to test it
[22:27] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:27] <BUGabundo> s/I/you
[22:27]  * gnomefreak updating atm
[22:28] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: install it and use it ;)
[22:28] <BUGabundo> I have it
[22:28] <BUGabundo> I need it
[22:28] <BUGabundo> so I'm back on kernel .32
[22:28] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:28] <h00k> Oh, oh.
[22:28] <h00k> okay
[22:28] <BUGabundo> which is LAME , slow, and my GPU drags a lot
[22:29] <BUGabundo> hence I need to know if .35-2 fixes it
[22:29] <h00k> It let me add my Twitter account
[22:30] <h00k> and it's loading...
[22:30] <dupondje> gnomefreak: here it stalled @ creating initramfs
[22:30] <gnomefreak> dupondje: kernel?
[22:30] <dupondje> y
[22:30] <dupondje> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-2-generic
[22:31]  * gnomefreak think i saw a bug but that is almost impossible
[22:31] <dupondje> then it locks :)
[22:31] <BUGabundo> wow nice.. new power management icon... you know what? doesn't work... battery is at 35 min left, and icon shows 100%
[22:31] <BUGabundo> h00k: thanks
[22:31] <BUGabundo> will try to upgrade the kernel , and boot from it on next reboot
[22:31] <gnomefreak> dupondje: i will test soon and see what it is if it happens to me
[22:31] <gnomefreak> but also not uncommon
[22:33]  * gnomefreak not likely to have X after reboot again
[22:36] <h00k> BUGabundo: no problem, lemme make sure it loaded
[22:37] <h00k> BUGabundo: I don't see my messages loading however :/
[22:38] <h00k> BUGabundo: it does launch, I added Twitter and Identi.ca, but it isn't loading/aggregating my messages for either
[22:40] <h00k> BUGabundo: if that helps
[22:41] <h00k> heh, safe-upgrade reports 18 xserver-* packages held back :)
[22:42] <gnomefreak> ok be back testing kernel
[22:42] <BUGabundo> h00k: that's more then fine
[22:42] <BUGabundo> means it connected to DB
[22:42] <h00k> BUGabundo: alrighty.
[22:43] <h00k> It just won't load the messages
[22:46] <BUGabundo> that's another prob
[22:46] <BUGabundo> end it
[22:46] <BUGabundo> make sure you  don't have gwibber or gwibber-services running
[22:46] <BUGabundo> $ ps auxw | grep gwibb
[22:46] <BUGabundo> then launch in console in debug
[22:47] <BUGabundo> $ gwibber-service -d -o
[22:47] <BUGabundo> and after that stops, on another console:
[22:47] <BUGabundo> $ gwibber -d
[22:47] <BUGabundo> you should *see* easilly what's missing
[22:47] <h00k> I do have have gwibber service running yet
[22:48] <h00k> not anymore.
[22:48] <h00k> BUGabundo: would you like me to report this to you? or pastebinit?
[22:48] <BUGabundo> no need
[22:49] <BUGabundo> I won't debug it anyway
[22:49] <h00k> I don't have a ton of time, I have to get running from work soon
[22:49] <BUGabundo> I'm just an user with enough experience to do inicial debug
[22:49] <BUGabundo> on most common probs with it
[22:49] <h00k> :)
[22:49] <BUGabundo> since I've been running it for so long from trunk and branches
[22:49] <h00k> I'd assume they're aware it's broken, anyway.
[22:49] <BUGabundo> don't worry
[22:49] <h00k> but you know what happens when you assume...etc
[22:49] <BUGabundo> if it is serious it will pop up again
[22:49] <BUGabundo> NEVER assume that
[22:49] <BUGabundo> that the worse thing ANYONE can ever do
[22:50] <BUGabundo> assume devs know its broken
[22:51] <h00k> BUGabundo: I jest, I know.
[22:51] <gnomefreak> other than having to rebuild kernel mods it works fine here
[22:52] <gnomefreak> it == kernel kernel mod. == upstream nvidia drivers
[22:56] <gnomefreak> ok paste bug filed now i can work for ~3 more minutes than tv time :)
[22:59] <gnomefreak> ok seems there was a blog about the X hold backs
[23:00] <gnomefreak> well it seems i cant paste it but look at ubuntu archive status on indent.ca and is it most recent post
[23:06] <gnomefreak> more on the X hold backs http://identi.ca/ubuntustatus
[23:06]  * gnomefreak running script and off for tv and dinner
[23:06] <Ian_corne> brr
[23:06] <h00k> Also, ubuntu-devel-discuss is a good place to keep watch on
[23:08] <Ian_corne> is that a list or an irc channel?
[23:10] <BUGabundo> list
[23:11] <Ian_corne> I can't afford to read even more mail :p
[23:12] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:12] <BUGabundo> I stop reading MLs
[23:12] <BUGabundo> I still get most of them though
[23:12] <BUGabundo> I remember when I got out of ubuntu-users back in 2007
[23:13] <BUGabundo> I had 40k unread emails from 2y
[23:14] <antonio2> hi there, I have a question: let's suppose that I have a package that is present in Debian and it's present in ubuntu (distro: lucid lynx),is there any reason why the same package is *not* present in the latest ubuntu distro? (maverick)
[23:19] <gnomefreak> antonio2: yeah but the package could be handy. either we removed it, it hasnt been merged yet or a number of other reasons. but im not here and wont be for at the very least 4 hours
[23:21] <antonio2> ok I'm wondering if anyone knows any URL where I can check the reason for some package not being there =)
[23:32] <arand> antonio2: launchpad.net, more specifics might yeild a more specific answer ;)
[23:33] <antonio2> cfengine2 and cfengine3 are two specific examples :D
[23:33] <BUGabundo> !info cfengine2
[23:34] <BUGabundo> antonio2: the bot says its in here
[23:34] <antonio2> humm
[23:34] <antonio2> !info cfengine3
[23:34] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy cfengine2
[23:34] <BUGabundo> cfengine2:  Installed: (none)  Candidate: 2.2.10-2
[23:34] <BUGabundo> and so does apt
[23:34] <arand> antonio2: Are you after a specific version?
[23:34] <antonio2> argh, ok, maybe I checked the wrong page :(
[23:34] <antonio2> I was checking packages.ubuntu.com, the other day
[23:35] <arand> antonio2: Oh, that one hasn't been properly updated for mm I think..
[23:35] <antonio2> ok, good to know =)
[23:35] <antonio2> thanks
[23:35] <arand> Yea, still just errors on the MM link (I wonder whom to contact about it...)
[23:37] <arand> I wonder if one would dare email the contact listed there, I reckon he must've his mailbox full by now :>
[23:37] <Ian_corne> do it
[23:37] <Ian_corne> :)
[23:38] <arand> "Content Copyright © 1997 - 2009 Canonical Ltd" Hmm
[23:38] <DrHalan> my virtualbox crashes when trying out alpha 1. any hint for me?
[23:40] <arand> DrHalan: Try a daily?
[23:41] <DrHalan> arand: live cd works. its just after the rebooting past the install taht virtualbox creates some error
[23:41] <DrHalan> tahts kind of confusing me
[23:41] <DrHalan> where do i find daily images?
[23:41] <arand> !daily
[23:43]  * arand just deleted the last .vdi file, god riddance, -> kvm
[23:44] <BUGabundo> I know , right?
[23:45] <arand> Although vnc = :(  and hardy mouse-tracking = :(
[23:45] <DrHalan> so how is the new x doing?
[23:46] <arand> BUGabundo: If you haven't sorted it otherwise, I can strongly recommend setting up serial consoles for terminal access ;)
[23:49] <BUGabundo> hahaha
[23:50] <arand> BUGabundo: virtual ones that is (although, I would the other if only I could...)
[23:51] <arand> BUGabundo: So you can connect straight through virsh to the machines, not having to use vnc at all ;)
[23:54] <arand> Kept back, that's what's the state of the new X