[01:34] <cjohnston> kwwii: ping
[09:35] <kwwii> cjohnston: pong
[13:00] <cjohnston> kwwii: are you still around?
[13:00] <knome> probably not :)
[13:01] <kwwii> hi
[13:01] <knome> oooh
[13:01] <kwwii> cjohnston: pong
[13:03] <cjohnston> kwwii: I am working on redoing the community page on the ubuntu website for Jono.. (http://ubuntu.com/community)... We are wanting to put in more detailed info about getting involved with the different areas of the ubuntu community... artwork being one.. I am looking for someone to write some info following a structure provided by Jono for us to use about artwork.. Would you be able to do it? You can see more info
[13:05] <kwwii> cjohnston: I guess I would be the right person to take care of that
[13:05] <cjohnston> Is that something you could do in the next couple of days?
[13:05] <kwwii> cjohnston: can you send me an email with any details?
[13:05] <kwwii> cjohnston: yes, I am about to board a train for 4 hours ;-)
[13:06] <cjohnston> Sure...
[13:06] <cjohnston> oh fun..
[13:06] <cjohnston> kwwii@u.c or something else?
[13:06] <kwwii> that will work fine
[13:07] <cjohnston> I will work on sending it now.. Thanks!
[13:07] <kwwii> np, glad to help
[17:27] <thorwil> i have a single panel on the top, including window buttons. after a few days, the min/max wm buttons pointing down and up still throw me off :}
[19:58] <vish> pretty awesome stuff http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-deus-ex/100909 !
[20:17] <thorwil> vish: looks like it owes quite a bit to GITS
[20:18] <vish> thorwil: storyline maybe. but the graphics are un-freaking-believable!
[20:18] <thorwil> ah, the theme thread on the ayatana list is a great opportunity to reach new levels of uselessness ^^
[20:19] <vish> thorwil: heh , i was wondering when Dani would mention that on ayatana ;p
[20:19] <vish> thorwil: he had mailed me once saying there is no discussion on artwork about the themes!
[20:19] <vish> the default ones
[20:23] <thorwil> vish: i could create a long lists of issues with the theme, but with unclear goals/objectives and often no clue what is and isn't as intended or what is caused by technical issues ...
[20:25] <thorwil> vish: instead we get to see another "it's bad" vs "no, your wrong, can't you see it's good!"
[20:25] <vish> thorwil: any opinions are just subjective/personal and not really useful atm
[20:26] <vish> thorwil: having an engine and just tweaking colors are calling one theme more Usable is really silly. I'm not sure why he says elementary is more usable. though I use it ;p
[20:27] <vish>  colors and*
[20:28] <thorwil> vish: well, the default selection colors in Ambiance don't allow one to distinguish between focused or not easily. the dark buttons reduce contrast quite a bit
[20:29] <thorwil> selected items in side panels look too much like buttons
[20:29] <thorwil> vish: so there's a lot happening with just tweaking colors ;)
[20:29] <vish> ha , that is a bug. no sure that is USABILITY ;p
[20:30] <thorwil> vish: like i said, how would i know what is and isn't intentional? it's not like anyway would talk to me about that
[20:30] <vish> :)
[20:32] <vish> we really need a murrine fork... new ideas. new design. new style
[20:35] <vish> thorwil: his earlier mail was funnier when he tried to make the ubuntu-mono icons use tango palette ;p
[20:39] <thorwil> vish: wow. only proposing that tango switches to the mono palette could beat that
[20:40] <vish> hehe .
[20:42] <vish> thorwil: was there any research about the tango palette , for "Usability" ?
[20:42] <vish> i mean was the palette chosen for usability or for consistency
[20:50] <thorwil> vish: i think it was designed to step on no one's feet. rumor has it color vision impaired designers were involved
[20:52] <vish> thorwil: yeah , when Dani had sent the earlier mail about the tango palette, he mentioned that. and i was wonderinf why nothing about the "research" is ever mentioned on the site. and i had not heard of it being researched either
[20:55] <thorwil> vish: i don't know where that idea comes from. from what i know, at the beginning, it was all about having a style and palette that would allow the icons to blend in on windows, mac and linux (or should i say gnome?) ...
[20:57] <thorwil> cue troy complaining about how trying to work in any context leads to never being great
[20:57] <thorwil> good night! :)
[20:57] <vish> yeah , seems sometimes Dani gets confused ;p  like saying that the elementary theme "they take years to improve this theme" , the theme hasnt even been there for 8months ;p and equinox is even shoprter
[20:57] <vish> thorwil: nite!
[23:53] <amanthethy> @Kwwii: If you weren't aware as yet, the first link in the topic doesn't exist (wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/VisualIdentity