[00:00] <paultag> bgs100, compiledkernel meeting time :)
[00:01] <phillw> paultag: may i attend as an observer?
[00:01] <paultag> phillw, of course
[00:01] <phillw> thanks
[00:26] <n8ofsp8ds> hey guys im to ubuntu and i trying to install abgx360 how do i do that
[00:26] <n8ofsp8ds> new
[00:27] <n8ofsp8ds> i know you got the software center for  most of the stuff you need but how do you install programs from websites
[00:28] <n8ofsp8ds> other
[00:28] <Chesamo> Well that depends on how it's packaged
[00:28] <Chesamo> can you link it for me?
[00:28] <pedro3005> does it work on Linux?
[00:28] <n8ofsp8ds> ok
[00:28] <n8ofsp8ds> http://abgx360.net/download.html
[00:29] <Chesamo> Downloading now
[00:30] <Chesamo> Have you extracted the archive?
[00:30] <n8ofsp8ds> ya
[00:30] <n8ofsp8ds> abgx360-1.0.2.tar.gz i get this one right
[00:30] <Chesamo> yes
[00:31] <Chesamo> Have you unarchived the files?
[00:31] <n8ofsp8ds> ok im going to redo it
[00:32] <n8ofsp8ds> ok im at the archive screen
[00:32] <n8ofsp8ds> hit extract
[00:32] <n8ofsp8ds> ?
[00:34] <Chesamo> yes
[00:34] <n8ofsp8ds> ok did that
[00:34] <n8ofsp8ds> now what
[00:34] <Chesamo> open Terminal
[00:34] <n8ofsp8ds> ok
[00:34] <n8ofsp8ds> did that
[00:35] <Chesamo> cd /path/to/unarchived/file
[00:35] <n8ofsp8ds> ok
[00:35] <n8ofsp8ds> no such file
[00:36] <Chesamo> um, not word-for-word
[00:36] <Chesamo> Where did you unarchive the file?
[00:37] <n8ofsp8ds> desktop
[00:37] <Chesamo> okay
[00:37] <Chesamo> cd ~/Desktop
[00:38] <n8ofsp8ds> ok
[00:38] <n8ofsp8ds> now what
[00:38] <Chesamo> what's the name of the unarchived folder?
[00:38] <n8ofsp8ds> abgx-1.0.2
[00:38] <Chesamo> cd abgx-1.0.2
[00:38] <Chesamo> Then type "make"
[00:40] <n8ofsp8ds> so cd abgx1.0.2 the type make after it then enter
[00:41] <Chesamo> No
[00:41] <Chesamo> cd abgx1.0.2 <enter> make <enter>
[00:41] <n8ofsp8ds> oops sorry
[00:45] <n8ofsp8ds> ok
[00:45] <n8ofsp8ds> now what
[00:46] <Chesamo> What did make do?
[00:47] <n8ofsp8ds> gave this >
[00:47] <n8ofsp8ds> me
[00:47] <Chesamo> Just a carat? Hm
[00:47] <Chesamo> ctrl+c
[00:47] <Chesamo> try sudo make install
[00:50] <Chesamo> n8ofsp8ds
[00:51] <Chesamo> Sorry, I forgot something
[00:51] <n8ofsp8ds> ya
[00:51] <n8ofsp8ds> thanks its not working
[00:51] <Chesamo> cancel whatever it's doing
[00:51] <n8ofsp8ds> what is it
[00:51] <n8ofsp8ds> alright
[00:51] <Chesamo> type ./configure <enter>
[00:52] <n8ofsp8ds> says no such file
[00:52] <Chesamo> did you do the period-slash?
[00:52] <n8ofsp8ds> yep
[00:52] <n8ofsp8ds> bash no such file
[00:52] <Chesamo> And you're in the abgx360-1.0.2 file?
[00:53] <n8ofsp8ds> now i am
[00:53] <Chesamo> You should have stayed there
[00:54] <n8ofsp8ds> so keep the file open
[00:54] <n8ofsp8ds> then what
[00:54] <Chesamo> ...
[00:54] <Chesamo> Are you in Terminal?
[00:54] <n8ofsp8ds> yep
[00:54] <Chesamo> Do you know how Terminal works?
[00:54] <n8ofsp8ds> nah man im noob
[00:55] <n8ofsp8ds> switching from windows to ubuntu
[00:55] <Chesamo> Okay well you'll have to get some stuff first
[00:55] <Chesamo> sudo aptitude 0y install gcc
[00:55] <Chesamo> Er
[00:55] <Chesamo> sudo aptitude -y install gcc
[00:55] <Chesamo> and then sudo aptitude -y install libcurl4-gnutls-dev
[00:57] <n8ofsp8ds> so put  this in the terminal
[00:57] <Chesamo> yes
[00:57] <Chesamo> those are terminal commands
[00:57] <Chesamo> aptitude is an installer program, it's going to download and install what are known as "dependency files"
[00:58] <n8ofsp8ds> ok just did sudo aptitude
[00:58] <n8ofsp8ds> now the other one
[00:58] <n8ofsp8ds> libcurl4-gnutls-dev
[00:58] <Chesamo> Wait, what?
[00:58] <n8ofsp8ds> just did  sudo aptitude -y install
[00:59] <n8ofsp8ds> what the next step
[00:59] <paultag> be careful with that n8ofsp8ds
[00:59] <paultag> n8ofsp8ds, you might run out of disk space because it wants to install 30 GB :)
[00:59] <n8ofsp8ds> i partition with 210 gb
[00:59] <n8ofsp8ds> no worrys
[01:00] <Chesamo> 30GB?
[01:00] <Chesamo> gcc and libcurl don't take up that much room
[01:00] <paultag> Chesamo, I'm joking :)
[01:00] <Chesamo> :P
[01:00] <paultag> I'm just saying, watch whatcha install!
[01:00] <n8ofsp8ds> what do i do after this command sudo aptitude -y install
[01:01] <Chesamo> all of it?
[01:01] <Chesamo> that was fast
[01:01] <n8ofsp8ds> well i put that in
[01:01] <n8ofsp8ds> and a whole but of stuff installed
[01:02] <n8ofsp8ds> in termal
[01:02] <Chesamo> okay.
[01:02] <Chesamo> you're still in the abgx360-1.0.2 file?
[01:02] <n8ofsp8ds> yep
[01:03] <Chesamo> now type ./configure
[01:03] <n8ofsp8ds> bash
[01:04] <n8ofsp8ds> no such file directory
[01:04] <Chesamo> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ pastebin the output of the ls command
[01:04] <Chesamo> that's LS only lowercase
[01:04] <n8ofsp8ds> i know
[01:06] <n8ofsp8ds> ok i did something wrong hold up
[01:06] <Chesamo> hm?
[01:07] <n8ofsp8ds> libcurl4-gnutls-dev where i put that
[01:07] <Chesamo> on the same line as sudo aptitude -y install
[01:08] <n8ofsp8ds> ok now there we go
[01:09] <n8ofsp8ds> waiting to put ./config
[01:10] <n8ofsp8ds> ok everthing else worked
[01:10] <n8ofsp8ds>  but the ./configure
[01:11] <Chesamo> pastebin the output of ls
[01:11] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> still cannot get vbox to connect to the Internet
[01:13] <n8ofsp8ds> http://pastebin.com/bJB62LFM
[01:13] <Chesamo> n8ofsp8ds That's not ls
[01:14] <Chesamo> n8ofsp8ds That's just the current buffer
[01:14] <Chesamo> n8ofsp8ds Try this: "ls > pastebin && gedit pastebin"
[01:15] <n8ofsp8ds> ok i put it in ged it
[01:18] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> how do I setup vbox to connect to the Internet
[01:18] <n8ofsp8ds> chesamo
[01:18] <Chesamo> Yes?
[01:19] <n8ofsp8ds> i put it in ged it now what
[01:19] <Chesamo> "gedit" is the name of the program. Take what's in there and Pastebin it.
[01:20] <n8ofsp8ds> ok did that
[01:20] <Chesamo> ...where's the pastebin link>
[01:20] <Chesamo> ?*
[01:22] <n8ofsp8ds> http://pastebin.com/hEmCnS7t
[01:22] <Chesamo> ....no, no no.
[01:22] <n8ofsp8ds> then i dont know
[01:22] <Chesamo> copy the next line and paste it into Terminal:
[01:23] <Chesamo> ls > pastebin && gedit pastebin
[01:23] <Chesamo> Don't alter anything, just copy and paste
[01:24] <n8ofsp8ds> ok did that went gedit
[01:24] <Chesamo> Yes
[01:24] <Chesamo> Now paste what's in gedit into pastebin
[01:25] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> anyone know anything about vbox
[01:25] <n8ofsp8ds> http://pastebin.com/Ea1q86mq
[01:26] <n8ofsp8ds> i had to open a new terminal the other just giving another carrot
[01:26] <Chesamo> Okay, well, you're not in the right folder, first of all.
[01:26] <Chesamo> n8ofsp8ds if the carat happens again, hit ctrl+c to close the process.
[01:27] <n8ofsp8ds> gave the same thing again
[01:27] <Chesamo> n8ofsp8ds you
[01:27] <Chesamo> you're not in the right folder
[01:27] <Chesamo> cd Desktop/abgx360-1.0.2
[01:28] <n8ofsp8ds> http://pastebin.com/wubxLyXH
[01:29] <n8ofsp8ds> i think i got it right this time lol
[01:29] <Chesamo> Now type ./configure
[01:30] <n8ofsp8ds> ok the ./configure work
[01:31] <n8ofsp8ds> now what
[01:32] <Chesamo> type make
[01:32] <n8ofsp8ds> ok that work
[01:32] <Chesamo> type sudo make install
[01:33] <n8ofsp8ds> ok
[01:33] <n8ofsp8ds> make nothing to be done
[01:34] <n8ofsp8ds> leaving directory
[01:35] <n8ofsp8ds> did i do something wrong
[01:35] <Chesamo> sorry what
[01:36] <Chesamo> I need more details than that
[01:36] <n8ofsp8ds> http://pastebin.com/7BC6McDV
[01:37] <Chesamo> type abgx360
[01:37] <n8ofsp8ds> ok
[01:38] <n8ofsp8ds> in a different terminal screen
[01:38] <Chesamo> doesn't matter
[01:38] <n8ofsp8ds> so im in a terminal version of the program
[01:40] <Chesamo> Okay
[01:40] <Chesamo> The program's installed
[01:40] <n8ofsp8ds> so is there program out side the terminal
[01:40] <n8ofsp8ds> or do i need to get a gui  of it
[01:41] <Chesamo> You can get a GUI, it's on the downloads page
[01:41] <n8ofsp8ds> ok
[02:03] <aluex> I met a English problem in my homework..need help
[02:04] <pedro3005> sure?
[02:04] <aluex> This toy car is p_____. Just wind this knob and let it off your hand, then it will run.
[02:05] <aluex> fill in the blank
[02:06] <pedro3005> priceless? :P
[02:08] <Chesamo> any synonyms for "automatic" start with P?
[02:09] <aluex> i dont know..
[02:10] <pedro3005> well, in my view, any word that fits is good
[02:11] <aluex> ?
[02:12] <Vantrax> aluex, perfect, priceless... if your in the hood... pimp
[02:12] <Vantrax> there can be alot of words that fit
[02:12] <aluex> ok. perfect maybe perfect
[02:13] <pedro3005> pretty
[02:13] <pedro3005> Vantrax, a lot :p
[02:13] <aluex> another one: Golf has gained p_____ among the wealthy in my country.
[02:13] <Vantrax> unless its talking about the actual mechanism and there is a p word that describes it but pneumatic doesnt fit
[02:13] <Vantrax> popularity
[02:13] <Vantrax> that is far simpler
[02:13] <aluex> oh,thank you
[02:14] <aluex> but what does wealthy mean here?
[02:14] <Vantrax> tell me again why we are doing your homework?
[02:14] <Vantrax> wealthy =  rich
[02:14] <pedro3005> rich
[02:14] <pedro3005> high class
[02:14] <pedro3005> aristocracy :P
[02:14] <Vantrax> lots of mulah
[02:14] <Vantrax> not really aristocracy, you can be that and poor
[02:15] <Vantrax> thats a birthright
[02:15] <aluex> ok.thank you all . :-)
[02:27] <DarkwingDuck> Vantrax: I wasn't meaning to offend you
[02:27] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, did I miss an email from the ML ?
[02:28] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, it looks like you posted twice
[02:28] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, Vantrax email didn't go through the ML
[02:29] <paultag> Vantrax, if it was not private, do you mind forwarding it to the ML ?
[02:29] <DarkwingDuck> It shoudl have gone...
[02:29] <DarkwingDuck> It was CCed
[02:29] <paultag> did it get bounced ?
[02:29] <DarkwingDuck> Guess so...
[02:30] <paultag> you should always use your approved email to post on the ML >:(
[02:30] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[02:31] <paultag> hey collinp
[02:33] <paultag> nice hostmask ZachK_
[02:34] <paultag> ZachK_, I take it the meeting went well?
[02:34] <ZachK_> :D
[02:34] <ZachK_> paultag: yes!
[02:34] <paultag> congrats ZachK_
[02:34] <ZachK_> ty paultag
[02:34] <paultag> no problem
[02:34] <DarkwingDuck> Congrats ZachK_ Welcome to the club
[02:34] <ZachK_> DarkwingDuck: :D
[02:35] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, I need to go for Kubuntu stuff, but I don't do shit for them. I wear my Kubuntu t-shirt to any events where there might be Ubuntu folk
[02:35] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, I should step up my game.
[02:36] <tenach> paultag, yes you should.
[02:36] <cmg> does anyone know how to go back to the default repositories?
[02:36] <paultag> cmg, perhaps
[02:36] <paultag> cmg, what's the output of lsb_release -a
[02:36] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: LOL
[02:37] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, I need to see what version of what distro :)
[02:37] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: we are always looking for help over there
[02:37] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, Ah, haha
[02:37] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, well I don't know where to contribute, it's a tight community
[02:37] <paultag> cmg, any luck?
[02:38] <cmg>  so you needed to know what distro and release?
[02:38] <cmg> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[02:38] <paultag> cmg,
[02:38] <paultag> cmg, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:38] <DarkwingDuck> come by #kubuntu-devel and talk to JontheEchidna or apachelogger. If you want to help with netbook talk to ScottK. If you want to help with documentation talk to this nutcase DarkwingDuck
[02:38] <paultag> cmg, paste this in here -- http://pastebin.com/C3wpHqiB
[02:38] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, :P
[02:39]  * ZachK_ will be back soon
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> You know QT?
[02:39] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, I'm not good enough with packaging to help a ton with that
[02:39] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, hell yeah. I contributed to the Marble project
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> help with what? documentation?
[02:39] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, packaging
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh
[02:39] <DarkwingDuck> I need to learn.
[02:40] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, it's rough with dpkg
[02:40] <cmg> what do you want me to do with the list?
[02:40] <tenach> I should learn how to package too
[02:40] <paultag> cmg, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:40] <DarkwingDuck> But, I'll stick with documentation both Kubuntu and I'm helping upstream too
[02:40] <paultag> cmg, cut the text from -- http://pastebin.com/C3wpHqiB -- and paste it over whatever is in there
[02:40] <paultag> cmg, then run sudo apt-get update
[02:40] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, aye
[02:40] <cmg> okay ill give it a shot
[02:40] <paultag> tenach, it sucks
[02:40] <paultag> cmg, let me know :)
[02:41] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: so, for now I'll stick with that and once I become a UBT member I'll do more in here :P:P
[02:41] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, aye :)
[02:42] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, is there a lot of programming with kubuntu devel?
[02:42] <DarkwingDuck> C++  and QT
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> Gimme a sec... I'm looking for the ToDo list for Maverick
[02:43] <paultag> kk tyt
[02:43] <paultag> cmg, any luck?
[02:43] <cmg> updating now
[02:43] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[02:43] <paultag> cmg, :)
[02:44] <paultag> let me read thru that DarkwingDuck, ty
[02:44] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: NE time
[02:45] <cmg> okay comes back with the error. --2010-06-08 is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/sources.list.d/mediaubuntu.list
[02:46] <Chesamo> paultag, gksudo, not sudo :P
[02:46] <paultag> Ahha!
[02:46] <tenach> Chesamo, I have never used gksudo for anything - what's the difference?
[02:46] <paultag> Chesamo, valid :)
[02:46] <paultag> tenach, it's GUI
[02:46] <Chesamo> tenach, gksudo is for graphical apps
[02:46] <tenach> Ah.
[02:46] <tenach> I've never done that, just sudo everything ,including graphicall apps
[02:46] <paultag> cmg, gksudo rm /etc/sources.list.d/mediaubuntu.list
[02:46] <Chesamo> tenach, sudo is usually good, but it can occasionally bugger up GUI programs
[02:46] <paultag> it's nice tenach
[02:46] <Chesamo> cmg, no that's sudo
[02:46] <Chesamo> :P
[02:47] <paultag> Oh goddamnit Chesamo
[02:47] <cmg> hahah okay ill give it a shot
[02:47] <Chesamo> tenach, paultag, cmg: gksudo is for graphical apps and sudo is for CLI apps
[02:47] <paultag> cmg, use sudo. Listen to the lady :)
[02:47] <Chesamo> Now you know! :P
[02:47] <tenach> :D
[02:47] <paultag> Chesamo, :)
[02:47] <tenach> Yesh. I get it
[02:47] <paultag> Chesamo, I need people like you to keep me in check :)
[02:47] <paultag> can't let my know-how get out of date
[02:47] <Chesamo> paultag: ;-)
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> gksudo doesn't work for me :P:P:P
[02:48] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, damn kubuntu luser
[02:48] <paultag> >:D
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> KDE RULEZ
[02:48] <cmg> now it says it cant be removed because it doesnt exit -_-
[02:48] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, dude, I was repping hard!
[02:48] <paultag> cmg, paste this exactly:
[02:48] <paultag> cmg, sudo rm /etc/sources.list.d/mediaubuntu.list
[02:49] <DarkwingDuck> Wife and son (5 years old) use Ubuntu and I use Kubuntu on both my desktop and tablet
[02:49] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, check this out
[02:50] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, http://people.ubuntu.com/~paultag/UbuntuHour/Mass/
[02:50] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, I'm the one in the Kubuntu shirt :)
[02:50] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, that was at the MA Ubuntu Hour
[02:50] <DarkwingDuck> SWEEEEEET
[02:50] <DarkwingDuck> Wait, you use Kubuntu?
[02:50] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[02:50] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, goddamnit, duh
[02:50] <cmg> no luck still and btw i cant copy and paste im on two different machines
[02:51] <paultag> cmg, OK, cool
[02:51] <DarkwingDuck> >:D
[02:51] <paultag> cmg, try an update. If that fails give us the output of "ls /etc/sources.list.d/"
[02:51] <paultag> cmg, you might have killed it already :)
[02:51] <cmg> hold on, i wasnt in the /etc directory could that be the problem?
[02:52] <paultag> cmg, nah, I gave you absolute paths
[02:52] <paultag> cmg, you should be ok
[02:52] <cmg> okay ill check if the dir is still there then
[02:52] <paultag> cmg, the dir is OK
[02:52] <paultag> cmg, you just don't want the errorful mediaubuntu source file
[02:53] <Darkness_Des> May I ask a few questions about a BASH script I'm writing?
[02:53] <paultag> Darkness_Des, don't ask to ask, just ask! :)
[02:54] <paultag> Darkness_Des, we're a friendly bunch, we won't bite
[02:54] <paultag> it's -beginners for a reason :)
[02:54] <cmg> i check the dir and they files are still there, just kill them i suppose?
[02:54] <paultag> cmg, please :)
[02:54] <paultag> cmg, looks like the mediaubuntu.list file
[02:54] <paultag> cmg, don't remove any directories
[02:55] <cmg> i took out the list files
[02:55] <paultag> cmg, _just_ the mediaubuntu one, right?
[02:55] <paultag> cmg, the sources.list in the /etc/apt/ is critical
[02:56] <Darkness_Des> Thanks ^_^. I can assure you that this is *probably* going to be extremely dumb. I'm uploading the script to sendspace so you can see what I'm talking about.
[02:56] <Darkness_Des> http://www.sendspace.com/file/ek5rv6
[02:56] <paultag> Darkness_Des, no dumb questions here :)
[02:56] <cmg> there was a medibuntu.list and mediabuntu.list that i removed and i just started my update, so far so good
[02:56] <paultag> cmg, kk, awesome
[02:56] <paultag> Darkness_Des, sorry to do this to you, but do you mind using pastebin?
[02:56] <Darkness_Des> Not at all.
[02:56] <paultag> Darkness_Des, it makes it easy to go back and forth
[02:56] <cmg> worked great i really appriciate it :)
[02:56] <paultag> Darkness_Des, http://pastebin.com/
[02:57] <ZachK_> !pastebin | Darkness_Des
[02:57] <paultag> cmg, of course :)
[02:57] <ubot2> Darkness_Des: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[02:57] <paultag> ty ZachK_
[02:57] <ZachK_> damn paultag you beat me too it
[02:57] <Darkness_Des> http://paste.ubuntu.com/446967/
[02:57] <Darkness_Des> There you go.
[02:57] <paultag> ty Darkness_Des
[02:57] <paultag> Nice :)
[02:58] <paultag> so what's the question Darkness_Des?
[02:58] <Darkness_Des> Thanks. I've been working on BASH for a while but this one area in particular is a bit difficult to me...
[02:58] <cmg> one last problem haha
[02:58] <cmg> how do i install the java VM?
[02:59] <paultag> cmg, sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
[02:59] <Chesamo> cmg sudo aptitude install sun-jaba6-jre
[02:59] <paultag> doh
[02:59] <paultag> +1 Chesamo
[02:59] <paultag> Darkness_Des, sure
[02:59] <Chesamo> paultag :P
[02:59] <paultag> Darkness_Des, where are you getting hung up?
[02:59] <paultag> Chesamo, I have my hands bound for development
[02:59] <paultag> all I can think of :)
[02:59] <Darkness_Des> It's hard to phrase this question, so bear with me. Whenever I try to make the for statements read the file that Zenity output, it downloads all scripts instead of the ones mentioned in the .installer file.
[02:59] <Chesamo> paultag: understandablt :P
[02:59] <Chesamo> understandable*
[02:59] <cmg> whats the differenc of sptitude and apt-get?
[03:00] <paultag> cmg, dependency handling
[03:00] <paultag> Darkness_Des, ahha. One sec, let me go into detail
[03:01] <paultag> Hummm, I think I see the issue
[03:01] <Darkness_Des> All help is appreciated.
[03:02] <paultag> let me test Darkness_Des
[03:02] <Darkness_Des> Ok!
[03:04] <paultag> Darkness_Des, one more sec, almost have it
[03:05] <paultag> just want to make sure it's all bug free
[03:06] <Darkness_Des> Fine by me, I've been trying to do the same thing for over an hour.
[03:10] <ZachK_> hello Appl6
[03:10] <paultag> One more minute or two Darkness_Des, dumb syntax issue
[03:11] <Darkness_Des> Perfectly okay. I have until 10:15, so if it's not finished by then would you mind sending me the incomplete script and I'll see if I can figure it out from there?
[03:12] <paultag> Darkness_Des, sure, np. It's a stupid error ( and I've been doing bash for a while so it's because of the loop I'm doing ) I just have to read a few man pages to find this bug
[03:12] <Darkness_Des> Alright. Thank you very much, you're a very big help.
[03:13] <paultag> it's no problem
[03:13]  * ZachK_ thinks paultag rocks
[03:13] <Darkness_Des> I do too.
[03:14] <paultag> fuck it, I'll refactor
[03:14] <paultag> One sec
[03:15] <paultag> got it, I think
[03:15] <Chesamo> !language paultag
[03:15] <ubot2> Chesamo: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[03:15] <Chesamo> :c
[03:15] <Chesamo> I thought you were :c
[03:16] <paultag> OK I know you have to go Darkness_Des. Here is what I have
[03:16] <Chesamo> !language |paultag
[03:16] <ubot2> paultag: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:16] <Darkness_Des> The people who made this channel have a nice sense of humor.
[03:16] <Chesamo> There.
[03:16] <paultag> Darkness_Des, http://paste.ubuntu.com/446970/
[03:16] <ZachK_> Darkness_Des: we are a bit strange
[03:16] <paultag> Darkness_Des, gee thanks
[03:16] <Darkness_Des> (That was mean)
[03:16] <paultag> Darkness_Des, that is refactored a bit. I ditched a case ( the right way to do it ) because it has crappy syntax
[03:17] <paultag> Darkness_Des, I swear the guy who made bash was dyslexic "Humm, if to start, fi to end"
[03:17] <Darkness_Des> Hehehe.
[03:17] <paultag> Darkness_Des, there is an x before the vars incase $x is null
[03:17] <paultag> Darkness_Des, just fyi
[03:17] <Appl6> The first line should be #!/bin/bash.
[03:18] <paultag> Ah duh
[03:18] <paultag> thanks Appl6
[03:18] <Darkness_Des> Thank you very much! I'll be sure to look out for that.
[03:18] <paultag> Darkness_Des, Appl6 is right
[03:18] <paultag> Darkness_Des, I missed the ! in the shabang
[03:18] <Darkness_Des> I've always wondered how to pronounce that... No worries, I'll put it in.
[03:18] <paultag> :P
[03:18] <paultag> Darkness_Des, godspeed! looks like it will be snazzy when it's done. Cool project :)
[03:19] <paultag> Darkness_Des, keep on keepen n
[03:19] <paultag> on *
[03:19] <Darkness_Des> You too.
[03:19] <paultag> aye aye
[03:19] <Darkness_Des> Hopefully I'll talk to you later. Godbye for now.
[03:19] <paultag> cheers Darkness_Des
[03:19] <paultag> !paultag | Chesamo
[03:19] <ubot2> Factoid 'paultag' not found
[03:19] <Chesamo> Tehehe
[03:19] <paultag> Oh damnit, I forgot votebot is gone
[03:19] <paultag> heyya nhandler
[03:20] <ZachK_> !Language | paultag!
[03:20] <ubot2> paultag!: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:21] <paultag> Shucks, what was my old factoid?
[03:21] <ZachK_> suck  my keyboard
[03:21] <paultag> You're peevish chastity is not worth a breakfast in the cheapest country
[03:21] <paultag> I think thats it
[03:21] <paultag> no wait, your *
[03:21] <ZachK_> that's it
[03:23] <nhandler> paultag: I can find it if you want?
[03:24] <paultag> nhandler, it's ok :)
[03:24] <paultag> nhandler, it was one of my Shakespearian insults. God I love early modern english
[03:25] <ZachK_> paultag: agreed
[03:26]  * ZachK_ out for a bit
[03:31] <cmg> hey guys when i use the ./install.bin command to install my .bin file i get an error
[03:32] <Appl6> cmg: Pastebin the error.
[03:33] <nUboon2Age> Q: I'm confused.  I went to download a 64-bit Ubuntu version and I see it says 'amd' on it.  Does that mean it won't work on intel 64bit machines?
[03:34] <cmg> http://pastebin.com/bwyaNeF6
[03:34] <iceflatline> yes
[03:35] <Chesamo> tno
[03:35] <Chesamo> no
[03:35] <Chesamo> amd64 is compatible with x86_64
[03:35] <Appl6> nUboon2Age: It will work on Intel 64 bit machines.  See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd64#Differences_between_AMD64_and_Intel_64  Basically, it says the differences are minor, and everyone programs to the common denominator of AMD and Intel 64.
[03:35] <nUboon2Age> Chesamo: so its the same .iso whether you use amd or intel?
[03:35] <iceflatline> legacy... AMD was first out with a 64b cpu
[03:35] <Chesamo> nUboon2Age: Yes
[03:36] <nUboon2Age> So should I expect it to work on a quad core intel machine?
[03:36] <Chesamo> yes
[03:37] <Appl6> cmg: Wow, it can't find libc.  Did you happen to uninstall a bunch of packages recently?
[03:37] <nUboon2Age> Thank you for the wikipedia reference.  I'll check it out...
[03:37] <cmg> i actually just had a problem with my repositories but someone here helped me re installd the defaults
[03:39] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> can anyone help me with vbox
[03:40] <Appl6> cmg: Does "aptitude show libc6" say "State: installed"?
[03:41] <Appl6> cmg: And are you using 32 or 64 bit Ubuntu?
[03:41] <cmg> 32bit
[03:41] <cmg> and yes it says installed
[03:42] <Appl6> cmg: Pastebin the results of "dpkg -L libc6" please.
[03:43] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAth50435: What's wrong?
[03:44] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I cannot connect to the Internet in vbox
[03:45] <cmg> http://pastebin.com/CTZBuDUS
[03:46] <nUboon2Age> Q: does Ubuntu 64bit work fairly well or is it known to be glitchy?  My girlfriend is thinking of a machine w/ quadcore 64 bit capability.  Is it a better bet to run it w/ 32 bit or 64 bit?
[03:46] <Chesamo> nUboon2Age: I run 64-bit stable, no problems
[03:47] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: That's not very descriptive. What guest OS?
[03:47] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> WinXP
[03:47] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Have you installed Guest Additions?
[03:47] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yes
[03:48] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> it maybe the version that I am using
[03:48] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: What version of VBox are you running?
[03:48] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> OSE
[03:49] <Appl6> cmg: Are you sure the application you're trying to install is 32 bit compatible?  Besides that, you can go mucking around with strace, but it sounds like an installer bug.
[03:49] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I am using a mod bootleg version of XP
[03:49] <cmg> yeah i've used it on my windows 32bit before
[03:49] <cmg> what is strace?
[03:50] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: That's probably part of the problem. Piracy is bad, kids!
[03:50] <nUboon2Age> Chesamo: thanks!
[03:50] <Chesamo> nUboon2Age: No probl
[03:50] <Chesamo> em
[03:50] <Appl6> cmg: What is the application?  Maybe I can take a look.  strace is a program that looks at all the system calls a program makes.  It might tell you where the program is trying to find libc.so.6, which may tell you where the problem is.
[03:51] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah I hear ya
[03:51] <cmg> well it for my little sister she uses it to connect to a math tutor and she wants it on this laptop which is running ubuntu, ill get you link in a minute
[03:52] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I have used bootlegged version before and not had a problem but this version never used before
[03:52] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: What kind of network adapter is being shown to the VM>
[03:52] <Chesamo> ?*
[03:52] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> NAT
[03:52] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> default settings
[03:53] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: No, what hardware is being emulated
[03:55] <Appl6> cmg: Maybe you could dual-boot Windows and Ubuntu.  Windows for when you actually want to get things done ;-).
[03:55] <cmg> hahah well i put linux on so it was a little noob proof as far as spyware and virus go
[03:56] <cmg> because she just got a virus and i reformated instead of trying to remove it
[03:57] <Appl6> cmg: Right, right.
[03:58] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> do not understand what you are asking
[03:59] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: What is listed under Settings > Network > Advanced > Adater Type?
[04:01] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> Attached to: NAT, Advanced: PCnet-FAST III (Am79C973
[04:02] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Change that to one of the Intel Pros
[04:03] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop
[04:03] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> will that work for wireless
[04:05] <Chesamo> What?
[04:05] <Chesamo> What are you talking about? That's the virtual hardware
[04:05] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I connected to the Internet wirelessly
[04:06] <Appl6> *grin*
[04:06] <holstein> that doesnt matter
[04:06] <holstein> just try the intel one :)
[04:06] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> still will not connect said it did not install right
[04:07] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Re-install Guest Additions
[04:07] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> its running
[04:07] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> done
[04:09] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> nope still no Internet
[04:10] <holstein> what is the error?
[04:11] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> there is no error
[04:12] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> it is not detecting any wired or wireless network cards installed
[04:13] <holstein> wont be a wireless
[04:13] <holstein> just the fake wired one
[04:13] <holstein> in a terminal
[04:13] <holstein> you could type
[04:13] <holstein> lspci
[04:13] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I have used wireless before
[04:14] <holstein> and look for the fake intel card
[04:14] <holstein> ZeRoDeAtH50435: in the virtual machine, it should show up as a wired device
[04:14] <holstein> regardless of what the host is on
[04:14] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> its not showing up anything
[04:14] <holstein> i gotcha
[04:14] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ok
[04:15] <holstein> did you run lspci
[04:15] <holstein> in a terminal?
[04:15] <holstein> dont paste it in here
[04:15] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah
[04:15] <holstein> just look and see if you see the net adapter
[04:15] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> no fake one shows up
[04:15] <holstein> hmmmm
[04:15] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> just what my wireless card is
[04:16] <holstein> the wireless card in your host ?
[04:17] <Appl6> holstein: The guest OS is Windows XP.
[04:17] <holstein> OH
[04:17] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> but when I run ifconfig I get one for vbox  and virbr0 but the vbox one is not showing up
[04:17] <Appl6> holstein: *grin*
[04:17]  * holstein smacks head
[04:17] <Chesamo> Hahaha
[04:17] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: The command is "ipconfig" in Windows
[04:17] <Appl6> holstein: Sorry, I just switched back to this channel, otherwise I would have told you sooner.
[04:17] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah
[04:18] <stlsaint> whats the issue here?
[04:18] <holstein> Appl6: i should have read the scroll
[04:18] <holstein> i just assumed ;)
[04:18] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> nothing shows up
[04:18] <holstein> what do you need XP for?
[04:19] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> what do you mean holstein
[04:19] <holstein> have you tried WINE for whatever program your tyring to run XP as a guest in Vbox for?
[04:20] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah it will not work
[04:20] <holstein> if you have to run windows, Vbox is the way to do it
[04:20] <Chesamo> What program?
[04:20] <holstein> with the snapshots
[04:20] <holstein> handy
[04:21] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> Last Chaos
[04:21] <holstein> you can just name a snapshot 'pre-virus' ;)
[04:21] <Chesamo> A game?
[04:21] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Have you gotten any decent 3D performance? VBox is NOT what you want for playing games on
[04:21] <Chesamo> in*
[04:21] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> the ethernet controller that I set needs to connect to the internet to download what it needs
[04:22] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah
[04:22] <holstein> ZeRoDeAtH50435: just keep trying them
[04:22] <holstein> you'll have to find one that XP supports
[04:22] <holstein> OR get a driver, and move it into the guest
[04:23] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeha
[04:23] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah
[04:23] <holstein> look in the 'device manager' or whatever it is
[04:23] <Appl6> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Chesamo is right.  Vbox is going to really disappoint you with its performance on graphics heavy video games.
[04:23] <holstein> unless you got some kinda CRAZY machine
[04:23] <holstein> that game...
[04:23] <holstein> yeah 6666
[04:23] <holstein> oops
[04:23] <holstein> ^^^^
[04:24] <holstein> not worth messing with
[04:24] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah wish I could play it in Linux
[04:24] <holstein> email them
[04:24] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> but they are haters
[04:24] <holstein> call them
[04:24] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> have
[04:24] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> they said they will NEVER support Linux
[04:25] <holstein> did you say 'never say never' ;)
[04:25] <holstein> if we get steam for linux
[04:25] <holstein> all kinds of game companies will compete i bet
[04:25] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> which I do not know why their are more people that use Linux than people thing
[04:25] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> think
[04:26] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> that is true, its up to the Linux community to change things
[04:26] <Appl6> If you could program to "Linux" then sure.  But you actually have to program to a million sound systems and versions of them, and another million versions of graphics libraries.  Either that, or roll your own everything.
[04:27] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> one thing that makes windows windows is the fact that all programs use the .exe format
[04:27] <ddecator> distros kind of shoot themselves in the foot by fragmenting key components :/
[04:28] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah and I have thought about it
[04:28] <Appl6> ddecator: Absolutely.  But a lot of people use Linux because they can swap in whatever they like best.
[04:28] <ddecator> Appl6: right, so it's two-edged. i do wish they would pick up the initiative to standardize at least some aspects
[04:29] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah and you can change it to fit up and the work you use it
[04:29] <ddecator> i know they thought about going with all rpm, but some people wanted deb and the whole thing died off
[04:29] <Appl6> ddecator: That's part of the problem.  In order to allow for better APIs to evolve, you can't standardize around a single API.  Implementations aren't the only things evolving and being improved; APIs are, too.
[04:30] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I can understand why people want deb because they are very easy to install
[04:30] <ddecator> and deb is easy to package for (haven't worked with rpm)
[04:31] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I have once or twice tar files are the hardest for me to work with
[04:31] <Appl6> That's a small fish compared to graphics libraries.  And Conary is pretty excellent.
[04:31] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Tar files are just binaries or source
[04:31] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Not hard to use at all
[04:32] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah
[04:32] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Just like zips only better
[04:32] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah I have heard that
[04:32] <Appl6> Better?
[04:33] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Yeah, tarballs actually compress :P
[04:33] <Appl6> Other way around.  zip compresses, tar does not.
[04:33] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> the only thing that gets me is you have to go throw 3 or 4 step but I have used them before only cause I had a step step to go by
[04:33] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: the gzip algorithm does.
[04:33] <Chesamo> Appl6"
[04:34] <Appl6> gzip is not part of tar.  I'm not doubting that you can call a compression algorithm on a tarball, but it's odd to say that tar is superior to zip because it is possible to compress the resulting archive.
[04:34] <Appl6> Whereas zip compresses it for you already.
[04:35] <Chesamo> Appl6: tarballs almost always have the .tar.gz extension. Tar for consistency and gz for compression.
[04:35] <ddecator> ZeRoDeAtH50435: tar.gz directories tend to be the source that anybody can get and see, they can be downloaded and you can run from them, but they aren't really meant for installing a program
[04:35] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> you the more I think about it a lot of programs would do a lot better than they are if all programs would start on Linux first
[04:36] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah I used one to run a game
[04:37] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I used it to run doom 3 Linux
[04:40] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> wine and programs like wine are emulators right
[04:40] <ddecator> Wine Is Not an Emulator ;)
[04:40] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: No
[04:41] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: It's a compatibility layer
[04:41] <Chesamo> ddecator +1
[04:41] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: They take Windows system calls and convert them into WINE calls
[04:41] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Because WINE has its own version of the Windows libs
[04:42] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> why did very one stop talking
[04:42] <ddecator> hm?
[04:43] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ok their has to be a better way to bridge the gap in using .exe files
[04:43] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> that works not matter what
[04:43] <holstein> yeah
[04:43] <holstein> stop using them ;)
[04:43] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> if only
[04:44] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> all the good MMOs and games use exe format
[04:44] <holstein> i think microsoft should start writing me some .deb s
[04:44] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> thats the big thing for me
[04:44] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> haha
[04:44] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> hell would have to freeze first
[04:45] <Chesamo> I wouldn't call it a "format" per se
[04:45] <holstein> nah
[04:45] <ddecator> yah, gaming is huge, hopefully steam will help. that, and netflix streaming, which is microsoft's fault in some way (they won't give moonlight the DRM license i guess)
[04:45] <holstein> just money
[04:45] <Chesamo> It's just that the programs are compiled for Windows
[04:45] <holstein> thats true Chesamo
[04:45] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> thats it
[04:45] <holstein> is not a fair comparison
[04:46] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> if it wasnt for that then MS would not be what it is now
[04:46] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> thats right its not
[04:46] <ddecator> well, they have DirectX
[04:46] <holstein> nah
[04:46] <Chesamo> Yeah, DX is pretty big
[04:46] <holstein> the could have written whatever
[04:47] <holstein> its all buisness on some level
[04:47] <Chesamo> Well
[04:47] <Chesamo> DirectX has software modes
[04:47] <Chesamo> OpenGL doesn't
[04:47] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah and money
[04:47] <ddecator> and microsoft promotes DirectX to game devs
[04:48] <Appl6> They have incredible platform stability and a huge user base.  OS X has the second.  Linux has neither.  Bad for business.
[04:49] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> when I look at Linux I see greatness
[04:49] <Appl6> You should check out The Old New Thing for some completely insane stories about how the developers at Microsoft slaved over trying to maintain backward compatibility with existing games.
[04:49] <Chesamo> Ah yeah
[04:49] <Chesamo> Compatibility
[04:49] <Chesamo> that thing that Apple decided to never do
[04:50] <holstein> lol
[04:50] <ddecator> ha
[04:50] <Appl6> Yeah, that's going to hurt them.
[04:50] <holstein> you think?
[04:50] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yep
[04:50] <holstein> the apple user is a strange bird
[04:50] <Appl6> I don't know if it'll hurt them enough to be noticeable given the devotion of the average Apple fanboi.
[04:50] <holstein> i think the typical apple user really thinks the new thing is necessary
[04:51] <holstein> tough crowd to read
[04:51] <Chesamo> I have some Apple hardware
[04:51] <holstein> me too
[04:51] <Chesamo> Though I've never spent more than $25 on an Apple product ;-)
[04:51] <holstein> but we dont have the iphone 3 or whatever
[04:51] <Chesamo> ...despite owning a Mac Mini
[04:52] <holstein> Chesamo: score on the mini :)
[04:52] <holstein> you run linux on it?
[04:52] <Chesamo> holstein: Raffle :P
[04:52] <Chesamo> holstein: Can't. Last two times I tries EFI went BLOOIE
[04:52] <holstein> ive had decent luck with the PPC machines
[04:52] <Appl6> But software companies don't want to write software that's going to break all the time whenever Apple feels like it.  And I can't see that many middle or lower income people being able to justify the extra cost of a Mac.
[04:52] <holstein> but i got a macbook
[04:52] <holstein> and it does not like ubuntu
[04:52] <holstein> too bad
[04:52] <Chesamo> Oh, I had a G3 that ran Ubuntu flawlwssly
[04:53] <Chesamo> flawlessly*
[04:54] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> never had a MAC
[04:55] <holstein> i got that macbook free
[04:55] <holstein> needed some tinkering to get it running
[04:55] <holstein> i bought snow leopard for it
[04:56] <holstein> i gotta say, 30 bucks.. i was surprised
[04:56] <Chesamo> Holstein: Yeah, well... You can't run it on non-Apple hardware :P
[04:56] <Chesamo> holstein: I think he cost of the hardware balances it out
[04:56] <holstein> i think windows is still hovering around a hundred bucks
[04:56] <ddecator> the basic versions, haha
[04:56] <holstein> Chesamo: yeah, i just figured they'd get me too
[04:56] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> its the OS X Linux
[04:57] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: What?
[04:57] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> kind of like LInux in its design
[04:59] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: well it's got a lot of Linux components. Xorg, for example.
[04:59] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: It's based on BSD
[04:59] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: I say "based" in the loosest interpretation possible
[05:00] <ddecator> linux and OS X are cousins
[05:00] <ddecator> both part of the Unix family
[05:01] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I just check the forum for this MMO and their are a lot of people asking for it
[05:01] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah thats what I thought
[05:03] <holstein> anybody using a VIA chip?
[05:04] <ddecator> can't say i am
[05:04] <holstein> im having a hell of a time getting smooth video playback
[05:05] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> what are you using
[05:06] <holstein> its an old HP mininote
[05:06] <holstein> one of the first ones with the via chips
[05:06] <holstein> PITA
[05:07] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ok
[05:09] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> Ubuntu a UNIX like system
[05:09] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: unix-like, yes
[05:09] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> thats what I thought
[05:14] <Vantrax> ubuntu is posix compliant in the most limited sense, and has many programs from Unix that were ported over
[05:15] <Vantrax> Unix like i would tend to reserve for something like BSD
[05:17] <ddecator> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_history-simple.en.svg
[05:17] <ddecator> right, sort of related by not exactly
[05:35] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> what is the command to list what is in my home folder
[05:35] <Appl6> ZeRoDeAtH50435: ls ~
[05:37] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> thanks
[05:40] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I am trying to run this and it is not working
[05:43] <Appl6> ZeRoDeAtH50435: That gives us almost no information.
[05:44] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: What are you trying to do?
[05:45] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I was trying to run the last chaos install from the terminal but it was not working
[05:45] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> wine LcInstallUSA_******.exe
[05:45] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> was the command
[05:46] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Why so many asterisks
[05:46] <Chesamo> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Try wine start <exe>
[05:46] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah that what I am doing now
[05:52] <ddecator> are you trying to install it or did you install it and you want to run it?
[06:01] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> its updating
[06:01] <Appl6> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Looks like WC 3 and LC.  It's unlikely that LC or VCK will work, since they rely so heavily on messing with WC 3's process memory (and that is not a portable thing to do).
[06:01] <Appl6> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Looks like WC 3 and LC.  It's unlikely that LC or VCK will work, since they rely so heavily on messing with WC 3's process memory (and that is not a portable thing to do).
[06:26] <ddecator> i've got a minor thing that has been driving me nuts. i autohide my top panel, and i have the autohide size set to 0, but there is still shows 1 pixel all the way accross the screen. anyone know what might be causing it to not fully autohide even though i set the size to 0?
[06:26] <ddecator> sorry for the bad grammar, getting tired haha
[06:26] <ddecator> lucid btw
[06:45] <kermiac> ddecator: Gnome-panel is coded so that it unhides when you move the mouse cursor over the panel, so it needs at least that 1-pixel wide area so you can unhide it.
[06:46] <kermiac> ddecator: you can try making that 1px transparent - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3213707&postcount=15
[06:46] <ddecator> kermiac: hey mate. i didn't think it was like that in karmic, i thought it just sensed when the cursor was on or near the edge, but maybe i just don't remember right
[06:48] <kermiac> hey dray :) IIRC it's always been like that, but i don't remember trying it in Karmic
[06:48]  * kermiac shrugs
[06:48] <ddecator> maybe it's just more obvious now because i'm using ambiance and the vlc icon has a white box, so the little white part sticks out when it's hidden
[06:49] <kermiac> yeah, that could be it - it def is more obvious with a darker backgound :(
[06:50] <kermiac> w00t... knock off time... time to shutdown. Catch you later if you're still online dray :)
[06:50] <ddecator> sounds good, cya mitch
[09:12] <CSiD> good morning everyone
[09:13] <CSiD> how are we all today?
[09:24] <CSiD> hey , I am thinking of programming a back-up tool in python, that wan be used to restore from back-ups using a live disc in the case of disaster
[09:24] <CSiD> good idea?
[09:28] <CSiD> but I have one question before starting it
[09:28] <CSiD> are /proc /dev e.t.c generated at boot time?
[09:30] <CSiD> I'll be back later
[11:02] <that_guy_> hi, is there any intel mobile graphics accelerator for ubuntu?
[11:06] <that_guy_> hello??
[11:19] <talsemgeest> that_guy_: Yeah, I have an intel chipset in my laptop and it works fine with ubuntu
[11:23] <CSiD> hello everybody
[11:29] <that_guy_> The chipset is working fine but when I was running Windows, I downloaded a accelerator for it so it would run faster... is there one compatible with Ubuntu?
[11:29] <CSiD> what chipset?
[11:33] <that_guy_> intel mobile
[11:34] <CSiD> same as I have... in all honesty I dont think there is an accelerator ... but is it really needed in ubuntu?
[11:34] <that_guy_> just for games and stuff
[11:35] <CSiD> what games on Linux?
[11:35] <that_guy_> flight gear
[11:35] <that_guy_> it's a bit tacky
[11:35] <CSiD> Linux isnt usually good for gaming
[11:36] <CSiD> Linux is mostly for security and work , but thats just my opinion
[11:36] <that_guy_> I got it cos win7 crashed on my computer,,, and I don't have the cd
[11:38] <CSiD> what crash problems were you having on windows?
[11:40] <that_guy_> well. the screen looked as if it was cracked but it was fine after i restarted the computer
[11:40] <that_guy_> also it froze after 5 minutes of boot
[11:41] <CSiD> I used to get that, its the graphics driver, you needed ot download a newer one
[11:43] <that_guy_> also how do i find out the specific graphics driver name?
[11:44] <CSiD> right what graphics card is it?
[11:47] <CSiD> cya's all later
[11:48] <that_guy_> its a intel mobile but i dont know the specific information to get the driver update
[11:55] <duanedesign> that_guy_: what do you get when you run this command in a Terminal:  lspci | grep Network
[11:55] <duanedesign> oops wrong command
[11:55] <duanedesign> that_guy_: what do you get when you run this command in a Terminal:  lspci | grep VGA
[11:56] <that_guy_> ahh... that got it
[11:56] <that_guy_> thatnks
[11:56] <that_guy_> thanks
[11:58] <duanedesign> System > Administration > Hardware Drivers might suggest a driver
[14:44] <sogeking99> can anyone help me with this please? http://pastebin.com/0CRDK37L
[14:55] <sogeking99> can anyone help me with this please? http://pastebin.com/0CRDK37L please?
[14:57] <sogeking99> hey chesamo
[14:58] <Chesamo> hello sogeking99
[14:58] <sogeking99> can you see my messages from just before you joined?
[14:58] <Silver_Fox_> This would be the same problem as yesterday sogeking99  ?
[14:59] <Silver_Fox_> Have you tried re-installing the driver?
[14:59] <sogeking99> yeah
[14:59] <Chesamo> sogeking99: No, the irclogs.ubuntu.com logs lag behind
[15:00] <sogeking99> basically, everything is messed up for me lol. http://pastebin.com/0CRDK37L that link has most of my issues listed. hope there is something i can do
[15:01] <Chesamo> sogeking99: Have you tried removing the 10-5 drivers and installing what's in the repos?
[15:02] <sogeking99> i uninstalled then tried using jocky to install them again but jocky wont install them
[15:02] <Chesamo> sogeking99: Don't use Jockey. Not a very good program.
[15:03] <sogeking99> yeah, so is it on the software centre?
[15:03] <sogeking99> the drivers i mean
[15:03] <Chesamo> soge99: Nah, I don't use the software center :P
[15:04] <sogeking99> oh the synaptic then?
[15:05] <Chesamo> sogeking99: sudo aptitude install fglrx
[15:06] <sogeking99> so run this after uninstalling?
[15:08] <Chesamo> sogeking99: yes
[15:08] <sogeking99> and do i need to restart after ununstalling the driver? because i have a feeling i will run into the blank screen issue again if i do
[15:10] <Chesamo> sogeking99: No, you don't. You're not doing anything that'll require a graphics driver.
[15:10] <sogeking99> ok
[15:11] <sogeking99> i got this error? E: fglrx: subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 2
[15:15] <Chesamo> ahhh
[15:15] <Chesamo> sogeking99: cd /var/lib/dpkg/info
[15:15] <Chesamo> sogeking99: ls fglrx.*
[15:16] <Chesamo> sogeking99: then gksudo gedit <each of the files listed by ls>
[15:17] <Chesamo> sogeking99: Change the first line ( #/bin/sh -e ) to #/bin/sh
[15:17] <Chesamo> sogeking99: Then perform the uninstallation again, using the purge command (sudo apt-get purge fglrx)
[15:20] <rcedeno> i need help. since installed ubuntu, i lost all sound. Toshiba satellite a101-s4001.
[15:21] <sogeking99> the last 2 files listed are #! /bin/sh for first line the other 2 are quite differnt in content
[15:21] <Chesamo> rcedeno: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=451011
[15:21] <rcedeno> tks chesamo i would check it
[15:22] <Chesamo> sogeking99: Are they not shell scripts? (do they not start with #/bin/*)?
[15:22] <Chesamo> #!/bin/*
[15:23] <sogeking99> #!/bin/sh
[15:24] <sogeking99> thats what two of them say anyway
[15:27] <sogeking99> this is whats list in ls neil@neil-desktop:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ ls fglrx.*
[15:27] <sogeking99> fglrx.conffiles  fglrx.md5sums   fglrx.postrm   fglrx.prerm
[15:27] <sogeking99> fglrx.list       fglrx.postinst  fglrx.preinst  fglrx.shlibs
[15:30] <sogeking99> all files with .pre and .post have #! /bin/sh as the first line
[15:33] <Chesamo> sogeking99: Very odd. Have you tried running sudo dpkg -r fglrx ?
[15:33] <sogeking99> not yet, i will now
[15:34] <sogeking99> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/447232/
[15:35] <sogeking99> what happened to make my system go so wrong...
[15:38] <Chesamo> sogeking99: try sudo apt-get purge xorg-driver-fglrx
[15:41] <sogeking99> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/447235/
[15:42] <Chesamo> It's very weird, I really don't know
[15:42] <sogeking99> think i need to reformat my '/' partition? '/home' should be fine right?
[15:47] <Chesamo> sogeking99: If you reformat /, you'll remove your entire system. If you format /home, you'll remove all of your user data and your Home folder.
[15:48] <sogeking99> so how do i make it like a freshly installed 10.4?
[15:52] <Chesamo> sogeking99: You want to reinstall?
[15:52] <sogeking99> i feel like thats all i can do. i dont know what happened but it is seriously messed up
[15:53] <Chesamo> sogeking99: I always hate to resort to reinstalls, because it feels like admitting defeat, but I'm really not sure what else you can do.
[15:53] <sogeking99> yeah thanks for all the help anyway :)
[15:57] <sogeking99> i g2g anyway cya
[16:32] <Amaterasu80> Um ^^ Hi there, I'm reletively new to Ubuntu and i've been trying to get my tablet working with it, now. . .so far I have full tablet support when I remove the "~/usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d/05-evdev.conf" file, but while it's there my tablet just hangs in the top left corner. .any ideas?
[16:33] <Amaterasu80> *Also if i remove the 05-evdev file my keyboard and mouse don't work :P
[16:34] <Chesamo> Amaterasu80: What kind of tablet is it?
[16:34] <Amaterasu80> It's a Trust TB-6300
[16:35] <Chesamo> Amaterasu80: Have you tried this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TabletSetupWizardpen
[16:35] <Amaterasu80> I already have WizardPen installed, I should've mentioned that, sorry
[16:36] <Chesamo> Ah, then I don't know. Tablets aren't my area of expertise.
[16:37] <Amaterasu80> xD No worries, I'll just have to do a bit of pro-googling :D
[16:45] <bobo123> do I have to delete the package 'indicator-applet' to get rid of the envelope in the system message area?
[16:45] <Chesamo> bobo123: No, just right-click and select "remove from panel"/
[16:48] <Chesamo> bobo123: Though I believe doing that will remove your volume control applet as well. This should fix that. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9200476&postcount=5
[16:48] <bobo123> Chesamo: when I tried, it removed the volume control too :-(
[16:48] <Chesamo> bobo123: done! ;-)
[16:48] <bobo123> ah
[16:51] <bobo123> yes with that I guess a volume control again. I wished they have made them separate from the beginning :-) there isn't other things that I break now I hope?
[16:52] <bobo123> *get not guess
[16:52] <Chesamo> bobo123: Nope, as long as you have the notification area you'll be fine.
[16:52] <bobo123> ok
[16:53] <bin1010> i have a sort of related question, I was wondering if there was a good automatic build, scheduled build with a dashboard type of thing available thats open source.
[16:54] <Chesamo> bin1010: What do you mean by scheduled/automatic build? And do you mean OSX Dashboard?
[16:54] <bobo123> dashboard.. is that like the nextstep-programstarter-panel thing? like mac have like a
[16:54] <bin1010> like cruisecontrol or the atlassian bamboo stuff
[16:54] <Chesamo> bin1010: Like the OSX Dock?
[16:55] <bin1010> Chesamo: no, I found that one ;)
[16:55] <Chesamo> bin1010: Oh, version control with automatic compilation.
[16:55] <bin1010> like for automating software builds on time or event and having a pretty dashboard to see how its all going
[16:56] <Chesamo> bin1010: Oh, so a frontend to an automatic compilation.
[16:56] <bin1010> yes
[16:57] <Chesamo> bin1010: Have you tried Apache Continuum? http://continuum.apache.org/
[16:57] <bin1010> no I havent
[16:57] <bin1010> do you like it?
[16:58] <Chesamo> bin1010: Nope, Google-fu brought it up :P
[16:58] <bobo123> automatic compilation would be nice. together with automatic ide and downloading of src for any application I rightclick on and select "Modify..."
[16:58] <bin1010> I love and hat google fu
[16:58] <bin1010> hate
[16:59] <bin1010> sometimes you find exactly what you are looking for and others.....not so much....Thanks
[16:59] <bobo123> :-)
[17:00] <bin1010> yep
[17:00] <Chesamo> bin1010: No problem. Good luck! :P
[17:00] <bin1010> I think that is where launchpad is heading
[17:01] <Chesamo> bin1010: I hope not. afaik it's just a project management system.
[17:01] <bin1010> things change.... ;)
[17:02] <Chesamo> bin1010: I hope not :( Launchpad's already complicated enough as it is
[17:03] <bobo123> Launchpad as in rockets or spacecrafts take off area, or Launchpad (website) used for bug tracking and software development? ;-)
[17:04] <Chesamo> bobo123: The former, duhhhh
[17:04] <bobo123> space technologi can be complicated :-)
[17:07] <bobo123> blae it is already 2010 and we still have no moonbase, and just one space station :-(
[17:40] <goodtime_> i need some help
[17:40] <bobo123> goodtime_: ok
[17:41] <goodtime_> my network is downloading and im up loading at the same time when im idle at boot up
[17:41] <goodtime_> and i do a netstat -a and theres like all thus stuff going on
[17:42] <goodtime_> i think my isp is messing with me
[17:42] <bobo123> ohh.. so there is some program that uses the network without you actively ask it to. I have'nt heard of that in ubuntu...
[17:42] <goodtime_> i was also supposed to get like 12mb download speed
[17:43] <goodtime_> i installed debian too and i got so hot that i would just power off
[17:43] <bobo123> goodtime_:  some evil Windows malware do that, but in linux? strange...
[17:44] <goodtime_> now i got ubuntu 10.04 back running
[17:44] <goodtime_> and its the same thing
[17:44] <goodtime_> strange indeed
[17:44] <bobo123> in linux you should be bale to see what is running by running the ommand  top  in a terminal window
[17:44] <bobo123> *able
[17:45] <goodtime_> i see my network in my system monitor
[17:46] <goodtime_> along with a few other services
[17:47] <goodtime_> bobo123: what the command to remove firefox
[17:47] <goodtime_> please  :)
[17:47] <bobo123> you can remove any program in System-Administration-Synaptic
[17:47] <goodtime_> ok
[17:49] <bobo123> if you search for firefox there and uncheck it and press the buttonbar-button to do it, then firefox should be removed for you
[17:50] <goodtime_> ok
[17:50] <goodtime_> its removed ty :)
[17:51] <bobo123> About that strange automatic downloading thing you have problem with... it must be possible to see what ip-number it is contacting and block that, right?
[17:51] <goodtime_> i hope
[17:53] <bobo123> goodtime_: if you had a router (or adslmodem with builtin router) then you could of course block that ipnr in the router instead
[17:54] <goodtime_> ok
[17:55] <goodtime_> dont have a router yet
[17:55] <goodtime_> i wonder what kind of modem i have
[17:57] <goodtime_> motorrola sbv5220 cable modem
[18:00] <goodtime_> broadband modem
[18:02] <goodtime_> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=+motorrola+sbv5220+cable+modem&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
[18:08] <mohi2911> hiys hobgoblin
[18:09] <mohi2911> hiya*
[18:09] <hobgoblin> o/
[18:09] <mohi2911> howdy hobgoblin ?
[18:09] <hobgoblin> o/
[18:10] <mohi2911> O_o
[18:10] <hobgoblin> ;) evening mohi2911
[18:10] <mohi2911> hobgoblin, night :P
[18:11] <ZachK_> heya hobgoblin
[18:11] <hobgoblin> no - it's definetly evening mohi2911 - hi ZachK_
[18:11] <mohi2911> hobgoblin, its promisingly night. I can prove it
[18:12] <hobgoblin> my time stamp disproves you ;)
[18:12] <bobo123> goodtime_: your cable modem doesn't seem to have a builtin router. http://broadband.motorola.com/consumers/products/SBV5220/downloads/SBV5220_UG.pdf doesn't mention it anyway
[18:13] <bobo123> ohh.. a real hobgoblin! may I touch you?
[18:13] <mohi2911> hobgoblin, try looking at sun and see the clock running on it xD
[18:13] <hobgoblin> bobo123: depends on whether you want your hand bitten off or not ...
[18:14] <hobgoblin> mohi2911: sun? I live in england ...
[18:14] <mohi2911> I live in LAND :P
[18:14]  * bobo123 touches far away from teeth-area
[18:14] <hobgoblin> which sounds eerily worse ...
[18:16] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> anyone know anything about backtrack 4
[18:16] <acerimmer> !ot>zero
[18:16] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ?
[18:17] <acerimmer> !ot|zerodeath50435
[18:17] <ubot2> zerodeath50435: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks!
[18:17] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> oh ok
[18:18] <acerimmer> ZeRoDeAtH50435: /j #remote-exploit
[18:18] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> I am running it in vbox and cannot get the share files to work
[18:19] <acerimmer> ZeRoDeAtH50435: NMD it's #backtrack-linux.  sorry
[18:19] <acerimmer> ZeRoDeAtH50435: take it to the pro's: /join #backtrack-linux
[18:19] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> says I cannot join I am banned I have never been their before
[18:20] <acerimmer> ZeRoDeAtH50435: try diff nick
[20:39] <Chesamo> Really easy BASH question that I can't believe I can't remember... what does `$@' indicate?
[21:18] <Silver_Fox_> Much better
[22:24] <Buuntu> how could I run a cron job that requires root privileges?
[22:34] <squaregoldfish> Buuntu: You can add the job to /etc/crontab, then run sudo crontab /etc/crontab
[22:44] <geirha> squaregoldfish: no. /etc/crontab has a different syntax
[22:46] <geirha> and it's read independantly from the users' crontabs
[22:46] <Silver_Fox_> Start with "crontab -e" under root login
[22:46] <Silver_Fox_> I think
[22:47] <Silver_Fox_> Back in a bit
[22:47] <geirha> sudo crontab -e
[22:47] <Chesamo> sud-- that
[22:47] <Silver_Fox_> Yep
[22:47] <Silver_Fox_> Thought so
[22:47] <Silver_Fox_> ;)
[22:47] <Chesamo> Don't need to root login :P
[22:49] <squaregoldfish> Personal preference - I've never used crontab -e, but kept the literal files and run crontab. /etc/crontab has clearly changed since I last used it...
[22:50] <geirha> you can also edit /etc/crontab. it has an additional field to specify which user to run it as
[23:07] <modelf_> hello?
[23:07] <Chesamo> !help modelf_
[23:07] <ubot2> Factoid 'help modelf_' not found
[23:07] <Chesamo> !help |modelf_
[23:07] <ubot2> modelf_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[23:08] <modelf_> !help
[23:08] <ubot2> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[23:09] <Chesamo> No no, I mean that was for you, modelf_
[23:09] <Chesamo> Just go ahead and ask ;-)
[23:12] <bobo123> how do I scan with ubuntu "simple-scan" ? when I try i just says  "Misslyckades med att läsa in" "Kan inte ansluta till bildläsare" (failed to read in, couldnät connect to scanner) but it must have had some connection since it have its name in the settings-dialogbox.
[23:13] <bobo123> If I try to start simple-scan from the command line instead it says some more: "[snapscan] Cannot open firmware file /usr/share/sane/snapscan/your-firmwarefile.bin" "[snapscan] Edit the firmware file entry in snapscan.conf". but.... how do I do that and then what shall I write?
[23:15] <bobo123> btw, wouldn't it be nice if those error messages that is only written in the terminal window, would be shown in the error-dialogbox when the program is not started from a terminal window but the program-menu (as one normally do) ?
[23:16] <modelf_> hey bobo123
[23:17] <modelf_> I just started using all this stuff
[23:17] <modelf_> but i think you're question would probably get a better answer in the #ubuntu channel
[23:17] <modelf_> it seems to be pretty active in there as far as Q and A
[23:23] <bobo123> modelf_: ok
[23:36] <ZachK_> modelf_: bobo123 we try to answer all we can here but as this is a team not just a help channel we do all manners of things at once...so sometimes we seem to not be there or like we don't care but we're trying!
[23:36] <bobo123> seems to be that the scanner doesn't have any firmware in it, in windows that is copied to the scanner during start. good thing I still have windows installed because agfa seems not to support their scanners anymore.
[23:36] <bobo123> note to self: never buy anything from agfa
[23:37] <ZachK_> lol
[23:39] <bobo123> btw, is it possible to have when I search for a file, it show the path to the found file not just the filename?
[23:40] <bobo123> to show path shoud've really been default I might say... I guess that would be future feature request....
[23:40] <Appl6> bobo123: What did you use to find the file?
[23:43] <modelf_> hey zach
[23:43] <modelf_> i just got your email
[23:44] <ZachK_> modelf_: ah i take it you're Chris?
[23:44] <modelf_> is there a shortcut to that thing where you put the person's name in front of the text, or do you guys just type that?
[23:44] <modelf_> yeah i'm chris
[23:44] <ZachK_> what client are you using to chat with
[23:44] <modelf_> LostIRC
[23:44] <ZachK_> ok then this should work
[23:44] <ZachK_> to put the name in front of the text you
[23:45] <ZachK_> type the persons name like for me start typing the "Z" and hit the "Tab" key
[23:45] <modelf_> ZachK_: ah
[23:45] <ZachK_> got it?
[23:45] <modelf_> gottcha
[23:45] <modelf_> thanks
[23:45] <ZachK_> :D
[23:45] <modelf_> terminal trix
[23:45] <ZachK_> lol
[23:45] <ZachK_> ok so questions....whatcha wanna know
[23:46] <modelf_> I'm gunna set up a wiki page
[23:46] <ZachK_> ok
[23:46] <ZachK_> do you have an account on Launchpad?
[23:46] <modelf_> what's Launchpad, you mentioned it in your email
[23:46] <modelf_> not yet.
[23:47] <ZachK_> https://launchpad.net/
[23:47] <bobo123> Appl6: just the Search for files... in the Go menu in the filemanager
[23:47] <bobo123> Weehaaa! I can scan! :-D
[23:48] <modelf_> haha congrats
[23:49] <Appl6> bobo123: You can try using "locate FILENAME" from the terminal.
[23:54] <modelf_> oh i guess i did have an account for launchpad.net
[23:54] <ZachK_> lol
[23:54] <modelf_> it linked through Ubuntuone, which i just registered for
[23:54] <modelf_> the day before
[23:54] <ZachK_> ok did you sign the CoC
[23:55] <modelf_> If that was part of the registration process, I probably did the other day when i registered with one.ubuntu
[23:56] <ZachK_> what is your launchpad profile url
[23:56] <modelf_> https://launchpad.net/~christopherkmoore1
[23:57] <modelf_> oh i haven't
[23:57] <modelf_> i'll check into that now
[23:57] <ZachK_> yes you need to sign the Code of Conduct