| Pendulum | jono: you asked me something? (sorry my ISP has been having outages multiple times a day so I didn't get it) | 00:06 |
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| cjohnston | 18.55.47 < jono> Pendulum, how are you getting on merging in the Art Of Community content? | 00:07 |
| Pendulum | and he left... | 00:08 |
| cjohnston | He said he had to run to give a talk.. | 00:08 |
| Pendulum | yeah, I see that on twitter | 00:11 |
| Pendulum | oh well, I'll answer him tomorrow | 00:11 |
| cjohnston | doctormo: you interested in writing something about application developing? ;-) | 01:24 |
| cjohnston | akgraner: ping? | 01:36 |
| akgraner | cjohnston, pong | 01:37 |
| cjohnston | got time for a quick call? | 01:37 |
| akgraner | one I get the UW election info out | 01:49 |
| akgraner | can you give me about 30 mins? | 01:49 |
| cjohnston | sure | 01:49 |
| akgraner | cjohnston, thanks | 02:02 |
| jturek-iphone | Test | 02:29 |
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| jturek | wb jono :) | 05:28 |
| jono | hey jturek | 05:28 |
| jturek | how did it go at CMU? | 05:28 |
| jono | jturek, really well :-) | 05:32 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:56 |
| ddecator | morning dholbach | 07:56 |
| dholbach | hey ddecator | 07:59 |
| dpm | good morning everyone | 08:01 |
| ddecator | morning dpm | 08:01 |
| dpm | hey ddecator | 08:03 |
| dpm | moin dholbach | 08:04 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 08:37 |
| dholbach | i czajkowski | 08:40 |
| czajkowski | dholbach: no I czajkowski U dholbach | 08:43 |
| * czajkowski gives dholbach a bucket of coffee to wake up and get through the day | 08:43 | |
| dholbach | czajkowski: | 08:44 |
| dholbach | _ _ ___ _ | 08:44 |
| dholbach | | | | | |_ _| | | | 08:44 |
| dholbach | | |_| | | | | | | 08:44 |
| dholbach | | _ | | | |_| | 08:44 |
| dholbach | |_| |_| |___| (_) | 08:44 |
| dholbach | 08:44 | |
| czajkowski | *grin* :) | 08:45 |
| popey | \o/ http://ubuntuinbusiness.eventbrite.com/ | 10:19 |
| AlanBell | \o/ | 10:28 |
| cjohnston | dpm: ping | 13:37 |
| dpm | hey cjohnston | 13:39 |
| cjohnston | How goes? I'm looking for some help with something, and I think your the right guy.. | 13:39 |
| cjohnston | hehe | 13:39 |
| cjohnston | I'm working on redoing http://ubuntu.com/community ... And need someone to write something for me about getting involved with the translators team... | 13:40 |
| dpm | fine here, and you? I'll be glad if I can help :) | 13:40 |
| cjohnston | Doing well. | 13:40 |
| cjohnston | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityContributePages#Translators <-- is the information that I'm looking for. | 13:41 |
| cjohnston | If you scroll up on that wiki page to the Developers section, you can see one that is already done. | 13:42 |
| dpm | yep | 13:42 |
| dpm | I can take care of the translators section if you want | 13:42 |
| cjohnston | That would be wonderful! | 13:42 |
| dpm | cool, thanks for letting me know | 13:43 |
| cjohnston | Thank you! | 13:44 |
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| dholbach | can somebody please go and fetch me some ice cream thanks | 15:08 |
| maco | dholbach: what flavour? moose tracks? (i recommend moose tracks) | 15:09 |
| JFo | mmmm\ | 15:09 |
| * maco used to work at an ice cream store. has sampled muchly flavours | 15:09 | |
| dholbach | maybe I'd go with something more traditional? :) | 15:10 |
| popey | Neopolitan ftw | 15:11 |
| dholbach | I think I'll go out and get some icecream before our team call starts | 15:12 |
| dholbach | see you in a bit | 15:12 |
| JFo | I keep a big tub of vanilla around | 15:12 |
| JFo | just for emergencies | 15:12 |
| popey | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Canonical-to-hold-Ubuntu-in-Business-event-1018567.html \o/ \o/ \o/ | 15:12 |
| JFo | sounds like fun. will you be going popey? | 15:13 |
| JFo | :) | 15:13 |
| * popey checks his diary for hair washing events | 15:14 | |
| JFo | heh | 15:18 |
| jussi | ben and jerries cookie dough... NOM! (or strawberry cheesecake..) | 15:22 |
| jcastro | @#%$^#$;2Q&^&$*$%^&#$%^# | 15:29 |
| jcastro | dholbach: I DONEd like 4 things yesterday and the graph isn't getting any better. :( | 15:29 |
| dholbach | jcastro: weird | 15:37 |
| dholbach | jcastro: I didn't get any error messages - I usually do | 15:38 |
| dholbach | jcastro: maybe pitti knows | 15:38 |
| jcastro | I think the graph works fine | 15:38 |
| jcastro | I think we're just swamped right now. :-/ | 15:38 |
| dholbach | jcastro: which blueprint was that? | 15:39 |
| jcastro | community-m-advocate-daily-builds | 15:40 |
| jcastro | community-m-launchpad-upstream-improvements-patches | 15:40 |
| jcastro | community-m-upstream-contacts | 15:40 |
| jcastro | community-m-process-improvements | 15:40 |
| jcastro | one in each of those | 15:40 |
| dholbach | weird, I'm subscribed to community-m-advocate-daily-builds - I should've gotten an email | 15:41 |
| dholbach | I think I didn't | 15:41 |
| jcastro | I added a list at the bottom of the work items | 15:41 |
| jcastro | but there was whitespace inbetween | 15:41 |
| jcastro | that wouldn't break anything would it? | 15:41 |
| dholbach | jcastro: move the list before the work items | 15:42 |
| dholbach | bla bla bla | 15:42 |
| dholbach | ... | 15:42 |
| jcastro | ok | 15:42 |
| dholbach | Work items: | 15:42 |
| dholbach | [...] ... : DONE | 15:42 |
| dholbach | I think I saw somebody complain about that | 15:42 |
| dholbach | but maybe I misremember | 15:42 |
| jcastro | call in 15? | 15:44 |
| dholbach | hola jono | 15:46 |
| jono | hi dholbach | 15:47 |
| highvoltage | holas | 15:49 |
| jono | hey highvoltage | 15:55 |
| jono | how are you getting on merging in the art of community into BuildingCommunity ? | 15:55 |
| jono | dholbach, jcastro, dpm 4mins? | 15:56 |
| dholbach | jono: yep | 15:57 |
| jono | dholbach, no bobbo? | 15:58 |
| jono | oh he is in reviews | 15:59 |
| dholbach | jono: he's kicking arse over in #ubuntu-reviews | 15:59 |
| jono | :) | 15:59 |
| jcastro | I am having mic problems | 15:59 |
| jcastro | bear with me, I can hear you guys | 15:59 |
| jono | lets do conf call | 15:59 |
| highvoltage | jono: going to really get into it this Friday | 15:59 |
| jono | I want to bring bobbo in | 15:59 |
| jono | highvoltage, cool :) | 16:00 |
| jono | Pendulum, how are you getting on with it? | 16:00 |
| jono | dholbach, jcastro, dpm dialing in now | 16:01 |
| jono | (when my phone has finished booting) | 16:02 |
| jono | :) | 16:02 |
| Pendulum | jono: working on it and like highvoltage should be really getting into it Friday-ish | 16:02 |
| Pendulum | (I've been working off the PDF, but would rather be working off a hardcopy and it's due here fridayish) | 16:03 |
| jono | Pendulum, cool | 16:04 |
| jono | Pendulum, hard copy? but then you cant cut and paste | 16:04 |
| jono | dpm, call time! :) | 16:05 |
| Pendulum | jono: can c&p from PDF, but use hardcopy to figure out with pencil what I really want | 16:05 |
| dpm | jono, \o/ I'm both in mumble and skype since a few mins | 16:05 |
| dholbach | dpm: conf call | 16:06 |
| jono | dpm, conf call | 16:06 |
| dpm | oh, sorry!, just a sec! | 16:06 |
| jono | Pendulum, ahhhh | 16:06 |
| Pendulum | jono: btw, did you know that Barnes & Noble stores can't order it for in-store pickup, they have to get it shipped directly to you? (and you need to prepay) | 16:06 |
| jono | Pendulum, ahhh that sucks | 16:07 |
| Pendulum | yeah, I was trying to do the publishing trick of "order for instore pickup as it means they're more likely to get a copy for their shelves and/or stock the author in the future", but it didn't work :-/ | 16:08 |
| highvoltage | Pendulum: when working with pdfs I often find it easier to read it on a secondary display or computer while working on the other | 16:09 |
| Pendulum | highvoltage: yeah, I just don't easily have that sort of set-up, unfortunately. I will have more chance for it after my parents leave on holiday tomorrow and I can borrow my father's monitor, but not right now | 16:10 |
| Pendulum | (otoh, moving back in with my parents means I have a chance of doing it at all since there was no way I could have done it in my flat!) | 16:11 |
| Pendulum | I also happen to like having hardcopies of books | 16:12 |
| qense | popey: Well written response to the whole Ubuntu-LoCos-should-become-LibrePlanet-groups thing. It's exactly what I what I would have written, but now won't. | 16:16 |
| popey | thanks | 16:16 |
| nigelb | hello! Evening! | 16:20 |
| dholbach | jono, jcastro, dpm: can't hear you guys | 16:24 |
| dholbach | jono, jcastro, dpm: trying to dial back in | 16:24 |
| jono | dholbach, :) | 16:25 |
| dholbach | jono, jcastro, dpm: back | 16:26 |
| jono | dholbach, rock and roll :) | 16:26 |
| jcastro | http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | 16:29 |
| JFo | :) | 16:29 |
| jcastro | JFo: :) | 16:30 |
| nigelb | JFo: looks like you folks have a focus on patches too :) | 16:30 |
| JFo | yup | 16:30 |
| nigelb | compared to us, your numbers look small. Only trouble is testing is a pain | 16:30 |
| highvoltage | Pendulum: I currently have a space problem, which is probably why I prefer not having more hardcopies where I have to decide on where to store them :) | 16:31 |
| Pendulum | highvoltage: have that too, but Art of Community I'm actually going to pass on to someone when I'm done | 16:32 |
| nigelb | Pendulum: I'll take it ;) | 16:32 |
| JFo | nigelb, another issue is that not all of them are good patches | 16:32 |
| JFo | they are in most cases hacks from the bug commenters | 16:33 |
| nigelb | JFo: is, kernel is evolving all the time | 16:33 |
| nigelb | s/is/yes | 16:33 |
| JFo | yep | 16:33 |
| nigelb | JFo: qa meeting is tonight right? | 16:33 |
| JFo | indeed | 16:33 |
| nigelb | rocking, I was confused whether it was last night. the whole problem with 0000 is you're always confused | 16:34 |
| JFo | heh | 16:34 |
| Pendulum | nigelb: I actually have someone in mind here who teaches "leadership" classes in one of the high schools in town | 16:39 |
| nigelb | Pendulum: was kidding :) | 16:39 |
| Pendulum | nigelb: well, if I hadn't, I could have sent it to you :P | 16:40 |
| nigelb | Pendulum: I would have asked you to hold on to it until UDS where we both can make it | 16:40 |
| popey | I had 5 copies of Art of Community at one point | 16:40 |
| nigelb | speaking of which, my bookshelf is full. I should make sure I dump some of them home next time I go | 16:41 |
| Pendulum | popey: I remember | 16:43 |
| popey | jcastro / JFo http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/06/09/s03e09-the-talk-of-the-town/ | 16:51 |
| popey | your lovely voices can be heard there | 16:51 |
| JFo | ah | 16:51 |
| nigelb | popey: Cheif intentionally spelled so? | 16:51 |
| jcastro | popey: looking! | 16:53 |
| nigelb | popey: I'd appreciate it if you folks can give a shout to Operation Cleansweep | 16:54 |
| jcastro | jono: can you check to see if you get mail from debian@ubuntu.com? | 16:55 |
| popey | whoops | 16:55 |
| jcastro | jono: those mails go to you right? | 16:55 |
| popey | fixed thanks | 16:56 |
| popey | nigelb: mail podcast@ubuntu-uk.org with details about it and we will! | 16:56 |
| nigelb | popey: no problem. ooh. I'll mail, you can perhaps interview bobbo too! | 16:56 |
| dpm | I need to run for an appointment, see you all tomorrow! | 16:57 |
| jcastro | I am glad I am on a podcast with jfo, he's my new buddy! | 16:57 |
| jono | jcastro, yep, should do | 16:57 |
| jono | jcastro, can you ask IS to have them go to you? | 16:58 |
| jcastro | sure | 16:58 |
| JFo | jcastro, :) | 16:58 |
| jcastro | jono: do you have a sorting rule for them? I think it's a good idea to have them going to not just one person | 16:58 |
| jono | jcastro, nope | 17:00 |
| jono | they just come to me | 17:00 |
| jcastro | I will venture a guess that you don't get much | 17:00 |
| JFo | popey, listening now | 17:00 |
| JFo | nice opening music | 17:00 |
| nigelb | jcastro: can make it a list? | 17:00 |
| nigelb | it would be nice to have interested folks be able to subsribe | 17:00 |
| jcastro | nigelb: we have an irc channel, a list is currently under consideration (it's on my work items for this cycle) | 17:01 |
| nigelb | jcastro: the channel is the one on oftc righ? | 17:02 |
| jcastro | nigelb: the big gotcha is, do we want an ubuntu-debian list or do we want to encourage participation on a debian derivatives list | 17:02 |
| jcastro | yeah, OFTC, it's the cool place to be! | 17:02 |
| * nigelb hangs out there since quite some time | 17:02 | |
| nigelb | jcastro: I'd encourage debian derivatives list for its practicality | 17:02 |
| dholbach | have a great rest of your day everyone and see you tomorrow! | 17:02 |
| jcastro | nigelb: indeed, in fact most of the lessons we learn can be applied to any debian derivative | 17:03 |
| jcastro | nigelb: I am giving a talk on this exact thing at debconf! | 17:03 |
| nigelb | yep, exactly where I was headed | 17:03 |
| nigelb | I recently got good deal of help when I wanted to write a script to forward LP bugs to debian | 17:03 |
| nigelb | I just mailed the reportbug list begging for help | 17:04 |
| jcastro | nigelb: if you had a good experience blog about it! | 17:04 |
| nigelb | I will, I'm just waiting to finsh work on the script! | 17:04 |
| jcastro | right, at the end, heh | 17:04 |
| nigelb | As soon as we establish credentials that we're trying to help each other, they're friendly :) | 17:05 |
| JFo | jcastro, think you will have some time for me today? I just remembered I am off to SELF tomorrow | 17:06 |
| JFo | need to get packing | 17:06 |
| JFo | :-/ | 17:06 |
| jcastro | I do! | 17:06 |
| JFo | cool | 17:06 |
| JFo | :) | 17:06 |
| jcastro | what are we talking about again? | 17:06 |
| JFo | forums goodies and the Kernel team | 17:06 |
| jcastro | oh right | 17:06 |
| jcastro | do you have the goodies? | 17:07 |
| JFo | I have some ideas we should discuss | 17:07 |
| jcastro | ok | 17:07 |
| JFo | I think this will be a good first chat | 17:07 |
| jcastro | can you pop into our mumble room? | 17:07 |
| JFo | so I can narrow what we need | 17:07 |
| JFo | sure can | 17:07 |
| JFo | let me pause you on uupc :) | 17:07 |
| nigelb | lol | 17:07 |
| jcastro | I was listening to me too! | 17:07 |
| popey | lol | 17:08 |
| jcastro | JFo: I had mic problems this morning so bear with me | 17:08 |
| JFo | k | 17:08 |
| jcastro | yes, can you hear me? | 17:08 |
| JFo | nope | 17:08 |
| JFo | :) | 17:09 |
| nigelb | jono: poke? | 17:09 |
| JFo | jcastro, want me to call you? | 17:09 |
| jcastro | yes please | 17:09 |
| jcastro | 248 677 1006 | 17:09 |
| nigelb | jcastro: you did promise me a blog post ;) | 17:10 |
| JFo | jcastro, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel | 17:11 |
| jcastro | nigelb: I did! After this call! | 17:14 |
| * nigelb hugs jcastro | 17:14 | |
| nigelb | Thank you | 17:14 |
| JFo | jcastro the mythbuster :) | 17:19 |
| jcastro | don't spoil it! I forgot what I talked about! | 17:20 |
| JFo | heh | 17:24 |
| nigelb | popey: mailed! | 17:26 |
| JFo | popey, I sound so country | 17:43 |
| akgraner | jcastro, The Ubuntu Myth Buster! | 17:46 |
| JFo | lol | 17:46 |
| akgraner | I think you need that added to your wiki page | 17:46 |
| JFo | I agree | 17:46 |
| popey | hehe JFo | 17:49 |
| jcastro | hey JFo | 17:50 |
| jcastro | this kernel testing iso thing | 17:50 |
| JFo | hey jcastro | 17:50 |
| JFo | yessir? | 17:50 |
| jcastro | that would be a nice tool to give locos! | 17:50 |
| jcastro | is it all automated and stuff or ? | 17:50 |
| JFo | yep, that is the plan :) | 17:50 |
| JFo | yep | 17:50 |
| JFo | we have them building daily right now | 17:50 |
| JFo | I have a task to test them | 17:51 |
| JFo | but I am snowed in on other things right now | 17:51 |
| JFo | and I don't want to put them out until I have tested them and have them documenting | 17:51 |
| JFo | oh man, I said mythbusting too jcastro | 17:51 |
| JFo | :) | 17:51 |
| jcastro | woo | 17:51 |
| jcastro | oh, you are answering my question in the audio now | 17:51 |
| jcastro | our intrepid reporter is doing a great job | 17:52 |
| JFo | he is indeed | 17:52 |
| JFo | :) | 17:52 |
| nigelb | jcastro: I never knew lucas was your counterpart in debian until now o.O | 17:54 |
| jcastro | kind of-ish | 17:54 |
| jcastro | he's my partner in crime! | 17:54 |
| nigelb | hehe :) | 17:54 |
| JFo | wonder twin powers unite! | 17:54 |
| jcastro | hey JFo | 17:55 |
| JFo | yessir? | 17:55 |
| jcastro | do we get TRIM in maverick? | 17:55 |
| JFo | i think the support is there upstream | 17:55 |
| JFo | I recall a bug on it | 17:55 |
| akgraner | I wanna see jcastro and Jfo in super hero suits | 17:55 |
| JFo | want me to dig it up | 17:55 |
| akgraner | hmm | 17:55 |
| JFo | heh | 17:56 |
| akgraner | nevermind... second thoughts on that one | 17:56 |
| JFo | heh | 17:56 |
| JFo | popey, that actually wasn't as bad as I was afraid it would be :) | 17:58 |
| JFo | given our states at the time | 17:58 |
| JFo | :-D | 17:58 |
| akgraner | JFo's new word - specifically | 17:58 |
| nigelb | JFo: do you remember what you said? | 17:58 |
| nigelb | I heard everyone was running on alcohol rather than legs :D | 17:58 |
| JFo | I do now that I have heard it, but not before :) | 17:58 |
| popey | :) | 17:58 |
| nigelb | JFo: haha | 17:59 |
| popey | i interviewed someone else (nameless) after you, and after more beer, we had to delete the content because we were both so mashed! | 17:59 |
| JFo | hahahahaha | 17:59 |
| nigelb | popey: haha | 17:59 |
| JFo | I can only imagine | 17:59 |
| nigelb | can we hear it at next uds? | 17:59 |
| popey | not a chance | 17:59 |
| JFo | we both sound very tired there popey | 17:59 |
| popey | we properly deleted it | 17:59 |
| nigelb | that bad? | 17:59 |
| popey | we both kept repeating ourselves and rambling on | 18:00 |
| akgraner | popey, you didn't get JFo's comedy routine | 18:00 |
| popey | i think it helped JFo and I were standing up | 18:00 |
| JFo | indeed | 18:00 |
| popey | oh we have quite a bit more material, just most of it unfit for airing :) | 18:00 |
| JFo | we'd have fallen asleep otherwise | 18:00 |
| popey | yeah | 18:00 |
| akgraner | I can so believe that | 18:00 |
| JFo | akgraner, that was actually the whole bit from beginning to end. I'm surprised I was coherent for that long | 18:01 |
| nigelb | popey: I remember you telling having no memory of your momubuntu talk | 18:01 |
| akgraner | JFo, :-) | 18:01 |
| nigelb | popey: oh, do you have that presentation with you? I'd like to see it | 18:01 |
| popey | i dont think it was videotaped :( | 18:02 |
| * JFo wanders off to pack for SELF | 18:02 | |
| popey | there is a longer version at Oggcamp | 18:02 |
| jcastro | JFo: I had the wrong address for the council soI had to resend | 18:02 |
| nigelb | popey: I wanted the open office presentation | 18:02 |
| JFo | jcastro, no sweat | 18:02 |
| * nigelb is listening to JFo | 18:02 | |
| nigelb | *LOL* defects ;) | 18:02 |
| popey | nigelb: http://blip.tv/file/3668964 | 18:02 |
| JFo | the podcast actually reminded me that we wanted to work out trending topics too with the Forum folks | 18:02 |
| popey | audio isnt great, and its quite a bit longer than the "lightning" talk I did at UDS | 18:03 |
| popey | also bizarre that I was wearing an aubergine t-shirt and the venue had an aubergine wall behind me! | 18:03 |
| JFo | nigelb, defects is a carry over from dealing with bugs at HP and Opsware | 18:03 |
| JFo | it still slips in to my speech from time to time | 18:03 |
| nigelb | JFo: ah! Also, I can confirm that you were the southern accent I heard and attributed to pete wrongly | 18:04 |
| JFo | heh | 18:05 |
| akgraner | I keep telling Pete he has a Southern Accent :-) he laughed | 18:05 |
| nigelb | JFo: the testing thing you're talking about is what manoj has been working on? | 18:06 |
| JFo | nigelb, yes | 18:06 |
| JFo | and cking has just added a BIOS testing bit that we are doing trials on currently | 18:06 |
| nigelb | oh that is cool! | 18:06 |
| JFo | will help us find bugs in BIOS early on | 18:06 |
| nigelb | JFo: will you have time to take a class at UUD about problems that could be hardware specific? what you're talking about needs to be heard by users! | 18:07 |
| JFo | nigelb, when is UUD? | 18:07 |
| nigelb | JFo: a weekend in July before developer week | 18:07 |
| JFo | not sure I will have everything ready by then, depending on the timeframe | 18:08 |
| nigelb | saturday/sunday most probably | 18:08 |
| JFo | ah, yeah, I doubt it will be cooked by then | 18:08 |
| Pendulum | JFo: July 10 | 18:08 |
| akgraner | JFo, do you not read UWN | 18:08 |
| akgraner | it was in there :-P | 18:08 |
| JFo | akgraner, skim is more what I am forced to do | 18:08 |
| JFo | :) | 18:08 |
| akgraner | hehe :-) | 18:08 |
| nigelb | JFo: you can talk about how to file bugs that are hardware specific, etc | 18:08 |
| nigelb | stuff that can help you folks! | 18:08 |
| akgraner | I don't force you to read it :-P | 18:08 |
| JFo | hmmm, nigelb it may be a good idea for me to discuss kernel bugs | 18:09 |
| JFo | akgraner, you would if you could :-P | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | JFo: fwiw, this is really geared toward newbie users | 18:09 |
| JFo | pleia2, that sounds perfect | 18:09 |
| pleia2 | great :) | 18:09 |
| akgraner | JFo, hmmff - I resemble that remark | 18:09 |
| akgraner | :-P | 18:09 |
| JFo | I need to discuss the actual role of the team and how that differs from upstream | 18:09 |
| JFo | plus I want to start talking about the new process for filing bugs | 18:10 |
| JFo | all new user stuff | 18:10 |
| JFo | think it would be good? | 18:10 |
| nigelb | It would be *awesome* | 18:10 |
| pleia2 | yep | 18:10 |
| JFo | pleia2, akgraner nigelb ^ ? | 18:10 |
| JFo | cool | 18:10 |
| nigelb | I'll blog your class to the planet! | 18:10 |
| JFo | sweet | 18:10 |
| JFo | thanks nigelb | 18:10 |
| JFo | I think I will do one | 18:10 |
| nigelb | JFo: so, 1 hour on saturday 10th July! | 18:10 |
| JFo | what do I need to do to get that going? | 18:10 |
| JFo | sounds good | 18:11 |
| pleia2 | what utc times are good for you? | 18:11 |
| JFo | hmmm | 18:11 |
| JFo | let me check and see | 18:11 |
| JFo | pleia2, what time does it end UTC? | 18:13 |
| JFo | so I don't go past that | 18:13 |
| JFo | oh, and what blocks are open, I guess | 18:13 |
| nigelb | any time. if we have too many sessions we might spill over to next day ;) | 18:13 |
| nigelb | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/lucid | 18:13 |
| JFo | ah | 18:13 |
| JFo | so, I think anything after 16 or 1700 UTC is fine... since it is Saturday :) | 18:14 |
| pleia2 | well, we currently have a schedule which is filled up from 12:00 - 23:00, but we're expanding it on both ends and we can shuffle users in that timeframe if required | 18:14 |
| JFo | I see | 18:14 |
| * JFo looks at the wiki page | 18:14 | |
| JFo | nigelb, so the listing at the bottom without times are also sessions? | 18:15 |
| nigelb | yes | 18:15 |
| JFo | ok | 18:15 |
| JFo | I'll add a class in there | 18:15 |
| * JFo thinks up a title | 18:16 | |
| pleia2 | JFo: if you could, just go ahead and add it to the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/CourseSuggestions (we may need to shuffle the schedule on /lucid a bit) | 18:20 |
| nigelb | JFo: "OMG! Kernel panic! " | 18:20 |
| jcastro | <---- lunching! | 18:20 |
| JFo | pleia2, i sure can :) | 18:20 |
| JFo | nigelb, seriously? or is that the class title? :) | 18:21 |
| nigelb | JFo: suggested course title :D | 18:21 |
| pleia2 | lol | 18:21 |
| JFo | heh, thought so :) | 18:21 |
| JFo | i was actually thinking "What is a kernel, and why do i need it?' | 18:21 |
| JFo | s/'/"/ | 18:21 |
| nigelb | JFo: feel free to replace what I put it ;) | 18:23 |
| JFo | heh, ok | 18:23 |
| * JFo joins user days instructors group | 18:24 | |
| JFo | nigelb, heh, I actually like that title | 18:26 |
| JFo | very much :) | 18:26 |
| nigelb | haha :) | 18:27 |
| JFo | thanks pleia2 and nigelb... hope we have a great UUD with or without my little chat. :) | 18:29 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) | 18:30 |
| nigelb | JFo: Thanks fo helping with a class :) | 18:30 |
| JFo | anytime :) | 18:30 |
| * JFo goes to finish packing :) | 18:31 | |
| nigelb | popey: awesome mail re:libre planet thingy :) | 18:33 |
| AlanBell | I didn't think the libreplanet thing was deserving of a response myself | 18:35 |
| nigelb | I saw the planet post and when "what the..." | 18:35 |
| AlanBell | I would maybe ask if he would suggest that the perl user groups that are listed on libreplanet should perhaps move to python | 18:36 |
| popey | well it's okay now, danny has moved on to the -devel-discuss list | 18:36 |
| pleia2 | it was nice that he apologized | 18:36 |
| popey | pfft, he didnt address a _single_ question in _any_ reply | 18:36 |
| popey | he did exactly what every other FSF person does | 18:36 |
| nigelb | oh, everyone hates FSF ;) | 18:36 |
| popey | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2010-June/011591.html | 18:37 |
| pleia2 | hate is strong, us practicalists just have trouble with them ;) | 18:37 |
| popey | I tire of people telling me my contribution isnt enough, and I should be doing things differently | 18:37 |
| pleia2 | popey: yeah, that's what stings me too | 18:37 |
| AlanBell | I like the FSF, I like RMS I think it is important that he exists | 18:37 |
| nigelb | I want a working system more than system running on free software | 18:38 |
| pleia2 | I recognise the need for extremist groups, but their tactics still leave a bad taste in my mouth | 18:38 |
| nigelb | I don't care what happens, but I'd like my speakers, mic, camera, and other stuff that may/may not depend on free sofware to work. | 18:39 |
| pleia2 | and I appreciate doctormo engaging, I know we disagree | 18:39 |
| popey | indeed | 18:40 |
| doctormo | heh | 18:40 |
| nigelb | popey: I <3 the line "A laudable goal, and I personally wish LibrePlanet well, but I'd appreciate them not trying to hijack an existing community to do their bidding." | 18:42 |
| popey | Danny is clearly a highly motivated person and passionate about ubuntu | 18:42 |
| AlanBell | LibrePlanet itself seems to lack substance | 18:43 |
| nigelb | I understand what he's trying to do, but I'm not sure I like it | 18:43 |
| nigelb | so, there is this huge network of stuff that people have done, why dont we use it for $foo | 18:43 |
| popey | AlanBell: they list zero uk LUGs | 18:44 |
| AlanBell | it is a wiki containing an incomplete directory of lugs and perl groups. I can't find any actual meaning to it all. | 18:44 |
| nigelb | Ah, the FSF are the guys behind GNU/linux thing. | 18:45 |
| AlanBell | popey: I found a lug in london and one in birmingham | 18:45 |
| popey | sorry, lonix, one | 18:45 |
| popey | which isnt actually a LUG! | 18:45 |
| AlanBell | ah, good catch! | 18:45 |
| popey | its because the lugs refused to call themselves GLUGs | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | I can see some merit to having the loco team linked to at the appropriate level of their directory | 18:46 |
| nigelb | popey: eww | 18:46 |
| popey | Matt Lee joined the UK LUGMaster mailing list and said he was setting up a free software directory (which I guess libreplanet has now supplanted) | 18:46 |
| popey | asked for volunteer LUGs, a few volunteered, the only one listed was Surrey because they said Matt Could modify the wiki home page of their lug | 18:47 |
| AlanBell | GLUGs! oh my | 18:47 |
| nigelb | I remember smoeone I know wrote a blog about the gnu/linux arugment. someone in ubuntu. it was an asesome post | 18:47 |
| popey | he pasted the entire GNU manifesto onto their front page | 18:47 |
| popey | which made it a bit messy | 18:47 |
| popey | so it was moved to a sub-page, matt then de-listed them from the free software groups list | 18:47 |
| popey | and ubsubscribed from lugmaster | 18:47 |
| nigelb | lol | 18:49 |
| popey | amusingly I once told matt that my wireless didnt work in gnewsense, he offered to post an ethernet cable to me :) | 18:49 |
| nigelb | haha | 18:49 |
| doctormo | popey: Matt Lee is amusing like that | 18:49 |
| doctormo | popey: Bought me lunch once | 18:49 |
| doctormo | >> I have no issue with people who 'bang on' about free software, | 18:50 |
| doctormo | popey: That doesn't seem likely. | 18:50 |
| popey | see, I can't have an opinion of my own | 18:51 |
| popey | yay - we have hitler mentioned, all bets are off | 18:53 |
| popey | sheesh | 18:53 |
| doctormo | popey: No your language doesn't seem to reflect your statement. | 18:53 |
| doctormo | But most of what you stated in your email I agreed with | 18:54 |
| doctormo | Apart from classification of me in the camp with the FSF | 18:54 |
| doctormo | I have enough bloody battles with those guys | 18:54 |
| popey | I have no problem with people banging on about free software, honestly, I helped organise a free culture event only last month! | 18:54 |
| doctormo | To not be put into the black camp with them | 18:54 |
| nigelb | popey: yes, I can vouch for that. I remmber you were complaining about ubnutu not having some cute mascot like suse linux ;) | 18:55 |
| popey | hah, yeah | 18:55 |
| popey | although we now have the lynx! | 18:55 |
| cjohnston | jono: I think you posted a link to the severed fifth ustream and not JB@Home | 18:55 |
| doctormo | I thought we had the human being | 18:55 |
| popey | not sure I want to buy one of them | 18:55 |
| * pleia2 mentioned the suse lizard in her lynx stuffed toy blog post ;) | 18:55 | |
| popey | :) | 18:55 |
| pleia2 | it's on my desk | 18:55 |
| * pleia2 pets | 18:55 | |
| popey | doctormo: what I do have issues with is the _method_ by which free software advocates do their job | 18:56 |
| popey | dannys post to -devel-discuss sums it up nicely | 18:56 |
| nigelb | paultag can be bang on sometimes :D His one replies are all home runs! | 18:56 |
| doctormo | popey: Yes, I have issue with the same method being used by dismissives who do exactly the same thing. | 18:56 |
| jono | cjohnston, thanks! | 18:56 |
| jono | fixed | 18:56 |
| cjohnston | :-) | 18:57 |
| doctormo | I don't agree with dpic's language, he's a young lad and needs to work on that. | 18:57 |
| popey | making demands of ubuntu which we have already fulfilled (showing a disconnect with the product) and not engaging once their demands aren't met | 18:57 |
| popey | sure | 18:57 |
| doctormo | popey: I'll be surprised if he leaves the LoCo to be honest | 18:57 |
| popey | there's no reason for him to leave the loco, surely? | 18:58 |
| popey | the two groups compliment eachother | 18:58 |
| doctormo | Not that I know of | 18:58 |
| doctormo | Accordingly | 18:58 |
| doctormo | I have to restart, one second | 18:58 |
| === doctormo is now known as doctormo_restart | ||
| === doctormo_restart is now known as doctormo | ||
| popey | i am amused that a free software advocate such as dpic is happy to show screenshots of himself downloading copyrighted content over bittorrent on his blog! :) | 18:59 |
| nigelb | doctormo: you should understand that not everyone using ubuntu think about free software | 18:59 |
| popey | BUT THEY SHOULD! | 19:00 |
| popey | etc | 19:00 |
| nigelb | I'm like _marx_. It works I use it. I'm happy with it, I contribute back. | 19:00 |
| popey | right, home time methinks.. | 19:00 |
| popey | you lot be good you cheeky scamps! | 19:01 |
| JFo | I will not! | 19:03 |
| JFo | 'be good'... the very idea! ;) | 19:03 |
| nigelb | haha | 19:03 |
| * popey makes a mark on 'The List' | 19:03 | |
| doctormo | Good... hmm, concept not found. | 19:03 |
| nigelb | ok, so community participation in patch review is way too awesome! Down to 1687 from 1952 when I announced the launch of operation cleansweep | 19:13 |
| JFo | very nice! | 19:13 |
| doctormo | congratulations nigelb, that's awesom | 19:14 |
| doctormo | It'll improve trust in submitting patches too | 19:14 |
| nigelb | doctormo: I'm in shock myself as to what the heck happened | 19:15 |
| doctormo | nigelb: Why? the community is powerful but unorganised, your harnessing lighting sucessfully :-D | 19:16 |
| nigelb | doctormo: perhaps the overwhelming response caught me by surprise | 19:16 |
| nigelb | JFo: im skipping meeting. 12 am and im *really* sleepy | 19:35 |
| JFo | sounds good | 19:35 |
| JFo | I'll be sending out an e-mail about the triage summit soon | 19:36 |
| JFo | so you should see it | 19:36 |
| nigelb | awesome! thanks :) | 19:36 |
| cjohnston | doctormo: would you be willing to write about getting involved in ubuntu by being an application author for the ubuntu.com/community page? | 19:52 |
| jcastro | popey: man dude, robbie's interview is great | 19:54 |
| jcastro | ditto kees and ricks | 19:54 |
| jcastro | popey: you should blog these! | 19:54 |
| doctormo | cjohnston: Not sure what you need to know from me | 19:55 |
| popey | jcastro: yeah, i really enjoyed interviewing rick spencer, he just talked and talked | 19:55 |
| cjohnston | doctormo: if you take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityContributePages#Developers Jono wrote that about developers.. if you scroll to the bottom of the page, we need one for application authors.. kinda like the opportunistic developer thing.. | 19:56 |
| popey | and kees, especially as he was reluctant to do the interview and didnt think he'd be any good, but turned out to be full of awesome! | 19:56 |
| nigelb | jcastro: when you do blog, please mention numbers from http://tinyurl.com/2u7kf3b - review queue | 19:58 |
| jcastro | nigelb: yeah | 19:59 |
| jcastro | I was just waiting a bit since bobbo just posted and I didn't want to bump him down yet | 19:59 |
| jcastro | nigelb: go to bed confident I will get to it! :) | 19:59 |
| nigelb | off to bed now :) | 19:59 |
| qense | Yay! I think the Dutch elections were responsible for the Twitter Fail Whale today. At least the national broadcaster is suggesting that. | 20:00 |
| jturek | jono: awesome @home earlier, had some great questions - should fork @home with @home in the cloud to discuss cloud computing :) | 20:10 |
| jono | thanks jturek :) | 20:14 |
| JFo | jono on Cloud 9? :) | 20:17 |
| popey | oh dear http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/new-ubuntu-font-how-to-download-it-but.html | 20:19 |
| qense | popey: That looks really bad. | 20:22 |
| qense | Exactly the thing the font designer warned for, but worse. | 20:22 |
| vish | popey: the cat was out of the bag , when people started posting screenshots with the fonts ;) | 20:23 |
| popey | that makes it okay then | 20:24 |
| qense | But do you really want a screenscraped font out in the wild? That sounds horrible! | 20:24 |
| vish | popey: i meant the OMG folks :) | 20:24 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: ping | 20:29 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: pong | 20:29 |
| cjohnston | hey... What I had wanted to talk to you about was the HoF | 20:30 |
| cjohnston | which... is.. sick... hehe | 20:30 |
| AlanBell | qense: if that is just someone taking random glyphs and putting them in a ttf then all the metrics are going to be wrong | 20:48 |
| AlanBell | stuff like the new Ubuntu logo has been manually kerned for large sizes, the spacing will be a complete mess. | 20:49 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: yep, gimme like 10 minutes or so to finish what I am working on | 20:50 |
| cjohnston | yup | 20:50 |
| czajkowski | could someone who is wise please explain why folks rename subjects in threads? boggles me no end | 20:53 |
| cjohnston | czajkowski: if you find the answer, please tell me | 20:56 |
| czajkowski | grr tis doing my noggin in | 20:57 |
| jcastro | czajkowski: skype? | 21:00 |
| jcastro | I mean cjohnston | 21:00 |
| czajkowski | *sniff* | 21:00 |
| czajkowski | no love me for jcastro | 21:00 |
| jcastro | maybe later! | 21:01 |
| cjohnston | sure | 21:01 |
| cjohnston | ffemtcj | 21:01 |
| cjohnston | poor czajkowski | 21:01 |
| * czajkowski goes in search of white chocci | 21:02 | |
| cjohnston | There is some in brussels... I remember.. we saw it | 21:03 |
| cjohnston | ;-) | 21:03 |
| jcastro | is ffmemtcj your username? | 21:03 |
| cjohnston | yes | 21:03 |
| cjohnston | well.. | 21:03 |
| cjohnston | ffemtcj is | 21:03 |
| jcastro | oh, I thought you were just mashing your keyboard! | 21:03 |
| cjohnston | thats my old irc nic | 21:03 |
| cjohnston | heh | 21:03 |
| czajkowski | jcastro: see mine is czajkowski much easier :p no chocci for you | 21:05 |
| jcastro | you do not appear to be signed in! | 21:06 |
| cjohnston | i am | 21:06 |
| cjohnston | we arent friends tho | 21:06 |
| jcastro | I just tried to friend you | 21:06 |
| czajkowski | yer very special | 21:06 |
| cjohnston | czajkowski: you just gotta type all the letters of the alphabet and hope to get them in the right order for you. ;-) | 21:06 |
| czajkowski | cjohnston: you are gonna get a wallop for that young lad | 21:07 |
| cjohnston | lol | 21:07 |
| cjohnston | i know | 21:08 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: can you try to add me? jcastro1975 | 21:08 |
| cjohnston | but I still havent figured out how to spell it.. thanks to cz <tab> | 21:08 |
| jcastro | I do the same thing | 21:08 |
| Pendulum | cjohnston: czajkowski really isn't that hard to spell | 21:09 |
| JFo | god forbid there is ever another cz<bla> in this channel :-P | 21:09 |
| Pendulum | the hardest bit to remember is the "czaj" and the rest is pretty much how it sounds | 21:09 |
| cjohnston | there are two cj<tab>'s in alot of channels | 21:09 |
| AlanBell | there is a czam somewhere | 21:10 |
| cjohnston | there it is jcastro ! | 21:11 |
| jcastro | ah wait! | 21:11 |
| jcastro | it's making me update | 21:11 |
| cjohnston | lol | 21:11 |
| jcastro | czajkowski: we were going to invite you to our call so you wouldn't feel left out | 21:13 |
| jcastro | but I guess it's all about chocolate now! | 21:13 |
| cjohnston | chrisjohnston | 21:14 |
| cjohnston | ooo... czajkowski... I could use your help on something... ;-) | 21:21 |
| czajkowski | thats never good.. | 21:21 |
| czajkowski | sup | 21:21 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: she just got on! | 21:21 |
| cjohnston | about 5 seconds after we hung up :-( | 21:21 |
| czajkowski | cooking | 21:22 |
| czajkowski | cjohnston: sup? | 21:22 |
| cjohnston | czajkowski: wanna write something for getting involved in the ubuntu community, more specifically advocating ubuntu? | 21:22 |
| cjohnston | ;-) | 21:22 |
| cjohnston | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityContributePages <----- | 21:22 |
| czajkowski | cjohnston: I can do as long as you dont need it between now and 2pm tomorrow | 21:23 |
| cjohnston | nah.. maybe by the end of next week? | 21:23 |
| czajkowski | ah thats grand | 21:23 |
| czajkowski | trying to swat up for a job interview | 21:23 |
| cjohnston | cool | 21:24 |
| czajkowski | catch ye in a wee bit | 21:24 |
| czajkowski | need food | 21:24 |
| cjohnston | enjoy! | 21:24 |
| cjohnston | jcastro: still around? | 21:25 |
| jcastro | sort of | 21:26 |
| cjohnston | newz found the files needed to fix it.. would daniel be the right person to assign the bug to? | 21:26 |
| jcastro | but I got to get these droids to the south ridge by the end of the day, or there'll be hell to pay | 21:26 |
| jcastro | cjohnston: yeah! Reply to the mail I just sent with the links | 21:26 |
| cjohnston | you can send me a droid | 21:26 |
| cjohnston | okie | 21:26 |
| jcastro | man | 21:35 |
| jcastro | popey: | 21:35 |
| popey | ya | 21:35 |
| jcastro | I sent one of a my friends a link to the interviews | 21:35 |
| jcastro | here's what he says: | 21:36 |
| jcastro | "the guy is all British and shit, sweet" | 21:36 |
| popey | :) | 21:36 |
| czajkowski | heh | 21:49 |
| AlanBell | gosh | 21:58 |
| dinda | akgraner: and everyone else too! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/100UsersProject | 23:09 |
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