[00:06] <Pendulum> jono: you asked me something? (sorry my ISP has been having outages multiple times a day so I didn't get it)
[00:07] <cjohnston> 18.55.47 < jono> Pendulum, how are you getting on merging in the Art Of Community content?
[00:08] <Pendulum> and he left...
[00:08] <cjohnston> He said he had to run to give a talk..
[00:11] <Pendulum> yeah, I see that on twitter
[00:11] <Pendulum> oh well, I'll answer him tomorrow
[01:24] <cjohnston> doctormo: you interested in writing something about application developing? ;-)
[01:36] <cjohnston> akgraner: ping?
[01:37] <akgraner> cjohnston, pong
[01:37] <cjohnston> got time for a quick call?
[01:49] <akgraner> one I get the UW election info out
[01:49] <akgraner> can you give me about 30 mins?
[01:49] <cjohnston> sure
[02:02] <akgraner> cjohnston, thanks
[02:29] <jturek-iphone> Test
[05:28] <jturek> wb jono :)
[05:28] <jono> hey jturek
[05:28] <jturek> how did it go at CMU?
[05:32] <jono> jturek, really well :-)
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[07:56] <ddecator> morning dholbach
[07:59] <dholbach> hey ddecator
[08:01] <dpm> good morning everyone
[08:01] <ddecator> morning dpm
[08:03] <dpm> hey ddecator
[08:04] <dpm> moin dholbach
[08:37] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:40] <dholbach> i czajkowski
[08:43] <czajkowski> dholbach: no I czajkowski U dholbach
[08:43]  * czajkowski gives dholbach a bucket of coffee to wake up and get through the day 
[08:44] <dholbach> czajkowski:
[08:44] <dholbach>  _   _   ___   _
[08:44] <dholbach> | | | | |_ _| | |
[08:44] <dholbach> | |_| |  | |  | |
[08:44] <dholbach> |  _  |  | |  |_|
[08:44] <dholbach> |_| |_| |___| (_)
[08:44] <dholbach>                  
[08:45] <czajkowski> *grin* :)
[10:19] <popey> \o/ http://ubuntuinbusiness.eventbrite.com/
[10:28] <AlanBell> \o/
[13:37] <cjohnston> dpm: ping
[13:39] <dpm> hey cjohnston
[13:39] <cjohnston> How goes? I'm looking for some help with something, and I think your the right guy..
[13:39] <cjohnston> hehe
[13:40] <cjohnston> I'm working on redoing http://ubuntu.com/community ... And need someone to write something for me about getting involved with the translators team...
[13:40] <dpm> fine here, and you? I'll be glad if I can help :)
[13:40] <cjohnston> Doing well.
[13:41] <cjohnston> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityContributePages#Translators  <-- is the information that I'm looking for.
[13:42] <cjohnston> If you scroll up on that wiki page to the Developers section, you can see one that is already done.
[13:42] <dpm> yep
[13:42] <dpm> I can take care of the translators section if you want
[13:42] <cjohnston> That would be wonderful!
[13:43] <dpm> cool, thanks for letting me know
[13:44] <cjohnston> Thank you!
[15:08] <dholbach> can somebody please go and fetch me some ice cream thanks
[15:09] <maco> dholbach: what flavour? moose tracks? (i recommend moose tracks)
[15:09] <JFo> mmmm\
[15:09]  * maco used to work at an ice cream store. has sampled muchly flavours
[15:10] <dholbach> maybe I'd go with something more traditional? :)
[15:11] <popey> Neopolitan ftw
[15:12] <dholbach> I think I'll go out and get some icecream before our team call starts
[15:12] <dholbach> see you in a bit
[15:12] <JFo> I keep a big tub of vanilla around
[15:12] <JFo> just for emergencies
[15:12] <popey> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Canonical-to-hold-Ubuntu-in-Business-event-1018567.html  \o/ \o/ \o/
[15:13] <JFo> sounds like fun. will you be going popey?
[15:13] <JFo> :)
[15:14]  * popey checks his diary for hair washing events
[15:18] <JFo> heh
[15:22] <jussi> ben and jerries cookie dough... NOM! (or strawberry cheesecake..)
[15:29] <jcastro> @#%$^#$;2Q&^&$*$%^&#$%^#
[15:29] <jcastro> dholbach: I DONEd like 4 things yesterday and the graph isn't getting any better. :(
[15:37] <dholbach> jcastro: weird
[15:38] <dholbach> jcastro: I didn't get any error messages - I usually do
[15:38] <dholbach> jcastro: maybe pitti knows
[15:38] <jcastro> I think the graph works fine
[15:38] <jcastro> I think we're just swamped right now. :-/
[15:39] <dholbach> jcastro: which blueprint was that?
[15:40] <jcastro> community-m-advocate-daily-builds
[15:40] <jcastro> community-m-launchpad-upstream-improvements-patches
[15:40] <jcastro> community-m-upstream-contacts
[15:40] <jcastro> community-m-process-improvements
[15:40] <jcastro> one in each of those
[15:41] <dholbach> weird, I'm subscribed to community-m-advocate-daily-builds - I should've gotten an email
[15:41] <dholbach> I think I didn't
[15:41] <jcastro> I added a list at the bottom of the work items
[15:41] <jcastro> but there was whitespace inbetween
[15:41] <jcastro> that wouldn't break anything would it?
[15:42] <dholbach> jcastro: move the list before the work items
[15:42] <dholbach> bla bla bla
[15:42] <dholbach> ...
[15:42] <jcastro> ok
[15:42] <dholbach> Work items:
[15:42] <dholbach> [...] ... : DONE
[15:42] <dholbach> I think I saw somebody complain about that
[15:42] <dholbach> but maybe I misremember
[15:44] <jcastro> call in 15?
[15:46] <dholbach> hola jono
[15:47] <jono> hi dholbach
[15:49] <highvoltage> holas
[15:55] <jono> hey highvoltage
[15:55] <jono> how are you getting on merging in the art of community into BuildingCommunity ?
[15:56] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, dpm 4mins?
[15:57] <dholbach> jono: yep
[15:58] <jono> dholbach, no bobbo?
[15:59] <jono> oh he is in reviews
[15:59] <dholbach> jono: he's kicking arse over in #ubuntu-reviews
[15:59] <jono> :)
[15:59] <jcastro> I am having mic problems
[15:59] <jcastro> bear with me, I can hear you guys
[15:59] <jono> lets do conf call
[15:59] <highvoltage> jono: going to really get into it this Friday
[15:59] <jono> I want to bring bobbo in
[16:00] <jono> highvoltage, cool :)
[16:00] <jono> Pendulum, how are you getting on with it?
[16:01] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, dpm dialing in now
[16:02] <jono> (when my phone has finished booting)
[16:02] <jono> :)
[16:02] <Pendulum> jono: working on it and like highvoltage should be really getting into it Friday-ish
[16:03] <Pendulum> (I've been working off the PDF, but would rather be working off a hardcopy and it's due here fridayish)
[16:04] <jono> Pendulum, cool
[16:04] <jono> Pendulum, hard copy? but then you cant cut and paste
[16:05] <jono> dpm, call time! :)
[16:05] <Pendulum> jono: can c&p from PDF, but use hardcopy to figure out with pencil what I really want
[16:05] <dpm> jono, \o/ I'm both in mumble and skype since a few mins
[16:06] <dholbach> dpm: conf call
[16:06] <jono> dpm, conf call
[16:06] <dpm> oh, sorry!, just a sec!
[16:06] <jono> Pendulum, ahhhh
[16:06] <Pendulum> jono: btw, did you know that Barnes & Noble stores can't order it for in-store pickup, they have to get it shipped directly to you? (and you need to prepay)
[16:07] <jono> Pendulum, ahhh that sucks
[16:08] <Pendulum> yeah, I was trying to do the publishing trick of "order for instore pickup as it means they're more likely to get a copy for their shelves and/or stock the author in the future", but it didn't work :-/
[16:09] <highvoltage> Pendulum: when working with pdfs I often find it easier to read it on a secondary display or computer while working on the other
[16:10] <Pendulum> highvoltage: yeah, I just don't easily have that sort of set-up, unfortunately. I will have more chance for it after my parents leave on holiday tomorrow and I can borrow my father's monitor, but not right now
[16:11] <Pendulum> (otoh, moving back in with my parents means I have a chance of doing it at all since there was no way I could have done it in my flat!)
[16:12] <Pendulum> I also happen to like having hardcopies of books
[16:16] <qense> popey: Well written response to the whole Ubuntu-LoCos-should-become-LibrePlanet-groups thing. It's exactly what I what I would have written, but now won't.
[16:16] <popey> thanks
[16:20] <nigelb> hello! Evening!
[16:24] <dholbach> jono, jcastro, dpm: can't hear you guys
[16:24] <dholbach> jono, jcastro, dpm: trying to dial back in
[16:25] <jono> dholbach, :)
[16:26] <dholbach> jono, jcastro, dpm: back
[16:26] <jono> dholbach, rock and roll :)
[16:29] <jcastro> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/
[16:29] <JFo> :)
[16:30] <jcastro> JFo: :)
[16:30] <nigelb> JFo: looks like you folks have a focus on patches too :)
[16:30] <JFo> yup
[16:30] <nigelb> compared to us, your numbers look small.  Only trouble is testing is a pain
[16:31] <highvoltage> Pendulum: I currently have a space problem, which is probably why I prefer not having more hardcopies where I have to decide on where to store them :)
[16:32] <Pendulum> highvoltage: have that too, but Art of Community I'm actually going to pass on to someone when I'm done
[16:32] <nigelb> Pendulum: I'll take it ;)
[16:32] <JFo> nigelb, another issue is that not all of them are good patches
[16:33] <JFo> they are in most cases hacks from the bug commenters
[16:33] <nigelb> JFo: is, kernel is evolving all the time
[16:33] <nigelb> s/is/yes
[16:33] <JFo> yep
[16:33] <nigelb> JFo: qa meeting is tonight right?
[16:33] <JFo> indeed
[16:34] <nigelb> rocking, I was confused whether it was last night.  the whole problem with 0000 is you're always confused
[16:34] <JFo> heh
[16:39] <Pendulum> nigelb: I actually have someone in mind here who teaches "leadership" classes in one of the high schools in town
[16:39] <nigelb> Pendulum: was kidding :)
[16:40] <Pendulum> nigelb: well, if I hadn't, I could have sent it to you :P
[16:40] <nigelb> Pendulum: I would have asked you to hold on to it until UDS where we both can make it
[16:40] <popey> I had 5 copies of Art of Community at one point
[16:41] <nigelb> speaking of which, my bookshelf is full.  I should make sure I dump some of them home next time I go
[16:43] <Pendulum> popey: I remember
[16:51] <popey> jcastro / JFo http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/06/09/s03e09-the-talk-of-the-town/
[16:51] <popey> your lovely voices can be heard there
[16:51] <JFo> ah
[16:51] <nigelb> popey: Cheif intentionally spelled so?
[16:53] <jcastro> popey: looking!
[16:54] <nigelb> popey: I'd appreciate it if you folks can give a shout to Operation Cleansweep
[16:55] <jcastro> jono: can you check to see if you get mail from debian@ubuntu.com?
[16:55] <popey> whoops
[16:55] <jcastro> jono: those mails go to you right?
[16:56] <popey> fixed thanks
[16:56] <popey> nigelb: mail podcast@ubuntu-uk.org with details about it and we will!
[16:56] <nigelb> popey: no problem.  ooh.  I'll mail, you can perhaps interview bobbo too!
[16:57] <dpm> I need to run for an appointment, see you all tomorrow!
[16:57] <jcastro> I am glad I am on a podcast with jfo, he's my new buddy!
[16:57] <jono> jcastro, yep, should do
[16:58] <jono> jcastro, can you ask IS to have them go to you?
[16:58] <jcastro> sure
[16:58] <JFo> jcastro, :)
[16:58] <jcastro> jono: do you have a sorting rule for them? I think it's a good idea to have them going to not just one person
[17:00] <jono> jcastro, nope
[17:00] <jono> they just come to me
[17:00] <jcastro> I will venture a guess that you don't get much
[17:00] <JFo> popey, listening now
[17:00] <JFo> nice opening music
[17:00] <nigelb> jcastro: can make it a list?
[17:00] <nigelb> it would be nice to have interested folks be able to subsribe
[17:01] <jcastro> nigelb: we have an irc channel, a list is currently under consideration (it's on my work items for this cycle)
[17:02] <nigelb> jcastro: the channel is the one on oftc righ?
[17:02] <jcastro> nigelb: the big gotcha is, do we want an ubuntu-debian list or do we want to encourage participation on a debian derivatives list
[17:02] <jcastro> yeah, OFTC, it's the cool place to be!
[17:02]  * nigelb hangs out there since quite some time
[17:02] <nigelb> jcastro: I'd encourage debian derivatives list for its practicality
[17:02] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day everyone and see you tomorrow!
[17:03] <jcastro> nigelb: indeed, in fact most of the lessons we learn can be applied to any debian derivative
[17:03] <jcastro> nigelb: I am giving a talk on this exact thing at debconf!
[17:03] <nigelb> yep, exactly where I was headed
[17:03] <nigelb> I recently got good deal of help when I wanted to write a script to forward LP bugs to debian
[17:04] <nigelb> I just mailed the reportbug list begging for help
[17:04] <jcastro> nigelb: if you had a good experience blog about it!
[17:04] <nigelb> I will, I'm just waiting to finsh work on the script!
[17:04] <jcastro> right, at the end, heh
[17:05] <nigelb> As soon as we establish credentials that we're trying to help each other, they're friendly :)
[17:06] <JFo> jcastro, think you will have some time for me today? I just remembered I am off to SELF tomorrow
[17:06] <JFo> need to get packing
[17:06] <JFo> :-/
[17:06] <jcastro> I do!
[17:06] <JFo> cool
[17:06] <JFo> :)
[17:06] <jcastro> what are we talking about again?
[17:06] <JFo> forums goodies and the Kernel team
[17:06] <jcastro> oh right
[17:07] <jcastro> do you have the goodies?
[17:07] <JFo> I have some ideas we should discuss
[17:07] <jcastro> ok
[17:07] <JFo> I think this will be a good first chat
[17:07] <jcastro> can you pop into our mumble room?
[17:07] <JFo> so I can narrow what we need
[17:07] <JFo> sure can
[17:07] <JFo> let me pause you on uupc :)
[17:07] <nigelb> lol
[17:07] <jcastro> I was listening to me too!
[17:08] <popey> lol
[17:08] <jcastro> JFo: I had mic problems this morning so bear with me
[17:08] <JFo> k
[17:08] <jcastro> yes, can you hear me?
[17:08] <JFo> nope
[17:09] <JFo> :)
[17:09] <nigelb> jono: poke?
[17:09] <JFo> jcastro, want me to call you?
[17:09] <jcastro> yes please
[17:09] <jcastro> 248 677 1006
[17:10] <nigelb> jcastro: you did promise me a blog post ;)
[17:11] <JFo> jcastro, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel
[17:14] <jcastro> nigelb: I did! After this call!
[17:14]  * nigelb hugs jcastro
[17:14] <nigelb> Thank you
[17:19] <JFo> jcastro the mythbuster :)
[17:20] <jcastro> don't spoil it! I forgot what I talked about!
[17:24] <JFo> heh
[17:26] <nigelb> popey: mailed!
[17:43] <JFo> popey, I sound so country
[17:46] <akgraner> jcastro, The Ubuntu Myth Buster!
[17:46] <JFo> lol
[17:46] <akgraner> I think you need that added to your wiki page
[17:46] <JFo> I agree
[17:49] <popey> hehe JFo
[17:50] <jcastro> hey JFo
[17:50] <jcastro> this kernel testing iso thing
[17:50] <JFo> hey jcastro
[17:50] <JFo> yessir?
[17:50] <jcastro> that would be a nice tool to give locos!
[17:50] <jcastro> is it all automated and stuff or ?
[17:50] <JFo> yep, that is the plan :)
[17:50] <JFo> yep
[17:50] <JFo> we have them building daily right now
[17:51] <JFo> I have a task to test them
[17:51] <JFo> but I am snowed in on other things right now
[17:51] <JFo> and I don't want to put them out until I have tested them and have them documenting
[17:51] <JFo> oh man, I said mythbusting too jcastro
[17:51] <JFo> :)
[17:51] <jcastro> woo
[17:51] <jcastro> oh, you are answering my question in the audio now
[17:52] <jcastro> our intrepid reporter is doing a great job
[17:52] <JFo> he is indeed
[17:52] <JFo> :)
[17:54] <nigelb> jcastro: I never knew lucas was your counterpart in debian until now o.O
[17:54] <jcastro> kind of-ish
[17:54] <jcastro> he's my partner in crime!
[17:54] <nigelb> hehe :)
[17:54] <JFo> wonder twin powers unite!
[17:55] <jcastro> hey JFo
[17:55] <JFo> yessir?
[17:55] <jcastro> do we get TRIM in maverick?
[17:55] <JFo> i think the support is there upstream
[17:55] <JFo> I recall a bug on it
[17:55] <akgraner> I wanna see jcastro and Jfo in super hero suits
[17:55] <JFo> want me to dig it up
[17:55] <akgraner> hmm
[17:56] <JFo> heh
[17:56] <akgraner> nevermind... second thoughts on that one
[17:56] <JFo> heh
[17:58] <JFo> popey, that actually wasn't as bad as I was afraid it would be :)
[17:58] <JFo> given our states at the time
[17:58] <JFo> :-D
[17:58] <akgraner> JFo's new word - specifically
[17:58] <nigelb> JFo: do you remember what you said?
[17:58] <nigelb> I heard everyone was running on alcohol rather than legs :D
[17:58] <JFo> I do now that I have heard it, but not before :)
[17:58] <popey> :)
[17:59] <nigelb> JFo: haha
[17:59] <popey> i interviewed someone else (nameless) after you, and after more beer, we had to delete the content because we were both so mashed!
[17:59] <JFo> hahahahaha
[17:59] <nigelb> popey: haha
[17:59] <JFo> I can only imagine
[17:59] <nigelb> can we hear it at next uds?
[17:59] <popey> not a chance
[17:59] <JFo> we both sound very tired there popey
[17:59] <popey> we properly deleted it
[17:59] <nigelb> that bad?
[18:00] <popey> we both kept repeating ourselves and rambling on
[18:00] <akgraner> popey, you didn't get JFo's comedy routine
[18:00] <popey> i think it helped JFo and I were standing up
[18:00] <JFo> indeed
[18:00] <popey> oh we have quite a bit more material, just most of it unfit for airing :)
[18:00] <JFo> we'd have fallen asleep otherwise
[18:00] <popey> yeah
[18:00] <akgraner> I can so believe that
[18:01] <JFo> akgraner, that was actually the whole bit from beginning to end. I'm surprised I was coherent for that long
[18:01] <nigelb> popey: I remember you telling having no memory of your momubuntu talk
[18:01] <akgraner> JFo, :-)
[18:01] <nigelb> popey: oh, do you have that presentation with you? I'd like to see it
[18:02] <popey> i dont think it was videotaped :(
[18:02]  * JFo wanders off to pack for SELF
[18:02] <popey> there is a longer version at Oggcamp
[18:02] <jcastro> JFo: I had the wrong address for the council soI had to resend
[18:02] <nigelb> popey: I wanted the open office presentation
[18:02] <JFo> jcastro, no sweat
[18:02]  * nigelb is listening to JFo 
[18:02] <nigelb> *LOL* defects ;)
[18:02] <popey> nigelb: http://blip.tv/file/3668964
[18:02] <JFo> the podcast actually reminded me that we wanted to work out trending topics too with the Forum folks
[18:03] <popey> audio isnt great, and its quite a bit longer than the "lightning" talk I did at UDS
[18:03] <popey> also bizarre that I was wearing an aubergine t-shirt and the venue had an aubergine wall behind me!
[18:03] <JFo> nigelb, defects is a carry over from dealing with bugs at HP and Opsware
[18:03] <JFo> it still slips in to my speech from time to time
[18:04] <nigelb> JFo: ah! Also, I can confirm that you were the southern accent I heard and attributed to pete wrongly
[18:05] <JFo> heh
[18:05] <akgraner> I keep telling Pete he has a Southern Accent :-)  he laughed
[18:06] <nigelb> JFo: the testing thing you're talking about is what manoj has been working on?
[18:06] <JFo> nigelb, yes
[18:06] <JFo> and cking has just added a BIOS testing bit that we are doing trials on currently
[18:06] <nigelb> oh that is cool!
[18:06] <JFo> will help us find bugs in BIOS early on
[18:07] <nigelb> JFo: will you have time to take a class at UUD about problems that could be hardware specific? what you're talking about needs to be heard by users!
[18:07] <JFo> nigelb, when is UUD?
[18:07] <nigelb> JFo: a weekend in July before developer week
[18:08] <JFo> not sure I will have everything ready by then, depending on the timeframe
[18:08] <nigelb> saturday/sunday most probably
[18:08] <JFo> ah, yeah, I doubt it will be cooked by then
[18:08] <Pendulum> JFo: July 10
[18:08] <akgraner> JFo, do you not read UWN
[18:08] <akgraner> it was in there :-P
[18:08] <JFo> akgraner, skim is more what I am forced to do
[18:08] <JFo> :)
[18:08] <akgraner> hehe :-)
[18:08] <nigelb> JFo: you can talk about how to file bugs that are hardware specific, etc
[18:08] <nigelb> stuff that can help you folks!
[18:08] <akgraner> I don't force you to read it :-P
[18:09] <JFo> hmmm, nigelb it may be a good idea for me to discuss kernel bugs
[18:09] <JFo> akgraner, you would if you could :-P
[18:09] <pleia2> JFo: fwiw, this is really geared toward newbie users
[18:09] <JFo> pleia2, that sounds perfect
[18:09] <pleia2> great :)
[18:09] <akgraner> JFo,  hmmff  - I resemble that remark
[18:09] <akgraner> :-P
[18:09] <JFo> I need to discuss the actual role of the team and how that differs from upstream
[18:10] <JFo> plus I want to start talking about the new process for filing bugs
[18:10] <JFo> all new user stuff
[18:10] <JFo> think it would be good?
[18:10] <nigelb> It would be *awesome*
[18:10] <pleia2> yep
[18:10] <JFo> pleia2, akgraner nigelb ^ ?
[18:10] <JFo> cool
[18:10] <nigelb> I'll blog your class to the planet!
[18:10] <JFo> sweet
[18:10] <JFo> thanks nigelb
[18:10] <JFo> I think I will do one
[18:10] <nigelb> JFo: so, 1 hour on saturday 10th July!
[18:10] <JFo> what do I need to do to get that going?
[18:11] <JFo> sounds good
[18:11] <pleia2> what utc times are good for you?
[18:11] <JFo> hmmm
[18:11] <JFo> let me check and see
[18:13] <JFo> pleia2, what time does it end UTC?
[18:13] <JFo> so I don't go past that
[18:13] <JFo> oh, and what blocks are open, I guess
[18:13] <nigelb> any time.  if we have too many sessions we might spill over to next day ;)
[18:13] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/lucid
[18:13] <JFo> ah
[18:14] <JFo> so, I think anything after 16 or 1700 UTC is fine... since it is Saturday :)
[18:14] <pleia2> well, we currently have a schedule which is filled up from 12:00 - 23:00, but we're expanding it on both ends and we can shuffle users in that timeframe if required
[18:14] <JFo> I see
[18:14]  * JFo looks at the wiki page
[18:15] <JFo> nigelb, so the listing at the bottom without times are also sessions?
[18:15] <nigelb> yes
[18:15] <JFo> ok
[18:15] <JFo> I'll add a class in there
[18:16]  * JFo thinks up a title
[18:20] <pleia2> JFo: if you could, just go ahead and add it to the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/CourseSuggestions (we may need to shuffle the schedule on /lucid a bit)
[18:20] <nigelb> JFo: "OMG! Kernel panic! "
[18:20] <jcastro> <---- lunching!
[18:20] <JFo> pleia2, i sure can :)
[18:21] <JFo> nigelb, seriously? or is that the class title? :)
[18:21] <nigelb> JFo: suggested course title :D
[18:21] <pleia2> lol
[18:21] <JFo> heh, thought so :)
[18:21] <JFo> i was actually thinking "What is a kernel, and why do i need it?'
[18:21] <JFo> s/'/"/
[18:23] <nigelb> JFo: feel free to replace what I put it ;)
[18:23] <JFo> heh, ok
[18:24]  * JFo joins user days instructors group
[18:26] <JFo> nigelb, heh, I actually like that title
[18:26] <JFo> very much :)
[18:27] <nigelb> haha :)
[18:29] <JFo> thanks pleia2 and nigelb... hope we have a great UUD with or without my little chat. :)
[18:30] <pleia2> thanks :)
[18:30] <nigelb> JFo: Thanks fo helping with a class :)
[18:30] <JFo> anytime :)
[18:31]  * JFo goes to finish packing :)
[18:33] <nigelb> popey: awesome mail re:libre planet thingy :)
[18:35] <AlanBell> I didn't think the libreplanet thing was deserving of a response myself
[18:35] <nigelb> I saw the planet post and when "what the..."
[18:36] <AlanBell> I would maybe ask if he would suggest that the perl user groups that are listed on libreplanet should perhaps move to python
[18:36] <popey> well it's okay now, danny has moved on to the -devel-discuss list
[18:36] <pleia2> it was nice that he apologized
[18:36] <popey> pfft, he didnt address a _single_ question in _any_ reply
[18:36] <popey> he did exactly what every other FSF person does
[18:36] <nigelb> oh, everyone hates FSF ;)
[18:37] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2010-June/011591.html
[18:37] <pleia2> hate is strong, us practicalists just have trouble with them ;)
[18:37] <popey> I tire of people telling me my contribution isnt enough, and I should be doing things differently
[18:37] <pleia2> popey: yeah, that's what stings me too
[18:37] <AlanBell> I like the FSF, I like RMS I think it is important that he exists
[18:38] <nigelb> I want a working system more than system running on free software
[18:38] <pleia2> I recognise the need for extremist groups, but their tactics still leave a bad taste in my mouth
[18:39] <nigelb> I don't care what happens, but I'd like my speakers, mic, camera, and other stuff that may/may not depend on free sofware to work.
[18:39] <pleia2> and I appreciate doctormo engaging, I know we disagree
[18:40] <popey> indeed
[18:40] <doctormo> heh
[18:42] <nigelb> popey: I <3 the line "A laudable goal, and I personally wish LibrePlanet well, but I'd appreciate them not trying to hijack an existing community to do their bidding."
[18:42] <popey> Danny is clearly a highly motivated person and passionate about ubuntu
[18:43] <AlanBell> LibrePlanet itself seems to lack substance
[18:43] <nigelb> I understand what he's trying to do, but I'm not sure I like it
[18:43] <nigelb> so, there is this huge network of stuff that people have done, why dont we use it for $foo
[18:44] <popey> AlanBell: they list zero uk LUGs
[18:44] <AlanBell> it is a wiki containing an incomplete directory of lugs and perl groups. I can't find any actual meaning to it all.
[18:45] <nigelb> Ah, the FSF are the guys behind GNU/linux thing.
[18:45] <AlanBell> popey: I found a lug in london and one in birmingham
[18:45] <popey> sorry, lonix, one
[18:45] <popey> which isnt actually a LUG!
[18:45] <AlanBell> ah, good catch!
[18:46] <popey> its because the lugs refused to call themselves GLUGs
[18:46] <AlanBell> I can see some merit to having the loco team linked to at the appropriate level of their directory
[18:46] <nigelb> popey: eww
[18:46] <popey> Matt Lee joined the UK LUGMaster mailing list and said he was setting up a free software directory (which I guess libreplanet has now supplanted)
[18:47] <popey> asked for volunteer LUGs, a few volunteered, the only one listed was Surrey because they said Matt Could modify the wiki home page of their lug
[18:47] <AlanBell> GLUGs! oh my
[18:47] <nigelb> I remember smoeone I know wrote a blog about the gnu/linux arugment. someone in ubuntu.  it was an asesome post
[18:47] <popey> he pasted the entire GNU manifesto onto their front page
[18:47] <popey> which made it a bit messy
[18:47] <popey> so it was moved to a sub-page, matt then de-listed them from the free software groups list
[18:47] <popey> and ubsubscribed from lugmaster
[18:49] <nigelb> lol
[18:49] <popey> amusingly I once told matt that my wireless didnt work in gnewsense, he offered to post an ethernet cable to me :)
[18:49] <nigelb> haha
[18:49] <doctormo> popey: Matt Lee is amusing like that
[18:49] <doctormo> popey: Bought me lunch once
[18:50] <doctormo> >> I have no issue with people who 'bang on' about free software,
[18:50] <doctormo> popey: That doesn't seem likely.
[18:51] <popey> see, I can't have an opinion of my own
[18:53] <popey> yay - we have hitler mentioned, all bets are off
[18:53] <popey> sheesh
[18:53] <doctormo> popey: No your language doesn't seem to reflect your statement.
[18:54] <doctormo> But most of what you stated in your email I agreed with
[18:54] <doctormo> Apart from classification of me in the camp with the FSF
[18:54] <doctormo> I have enough bloody battles with those guys
[18:54] <popey> I have no problem with people banging on about free software, honestly, I helped organise a free culture event only last month!
[18:54] <doctormo> To not be put into the black camp with them
[18:55] <nigelb> popey: yes, I can vouch for that.  I remmber you were complaining about ubnutu not having some cute mascot like suse linux ;)
[18:55] <popey> hah, yeah
[18:55] <popey> although we now have the lynx!
[18:55] <cjohnston> jono: I think you posted a link to the severed fifth ustream and not JB@Home
[18:55] <doctormo> I thought we had the human being
[18:55] <popey> not sure I want to buy one of them
[18:55]  * pleia2 mentioned the suse lizard in her lynx stuffed toy blog post ;)
[18:55] <popey> :)
[18:55] <pleia2> it's on my desk
[18:55]  * pleia2 pets
[18:56] <popey> doctormo: what I do have issues with is the _method_ by which free software advocates do their job
[18:56] <popey> dannys post to -devel-discuss sums it up nicely
[18:56] <nigelb> paultag can be bang on sometimes :D  His one replies are all home runs!
[18:56] <doctormo> popey: Yes, I have issue with the same method being used by dismissives who do exactly the same thing.
[18:56] <jono> cjohnston, thanks!
[18:56] <jono> fixed
[18:57] <cjohnston> :-)
[18:57] <doctormo> I don't agree with dpic's language, he's a young lad and needs to work on that.
[18:57] <popey> making demands of ubuntu which we have already fulfilled (showing a disconnect with the product) and not engaging once their demands aren't met
[18:57] <popey> sure
[18:57] <doctormo> popey: I'll be surprised if he leaves the LoCo to be honest
[18:58] <popey> there's no reason for him to leave the loco, surely?
[18:58] <popey> the two groups compliment eachother
[18:58] <doctormo> Not that I know of
[18:58] <doctormo> Accordingly
[18:58] <doctormo> I have to restart, one second
[18:59] <popey> i am amused that a free software advocate such as dpic is happy to show screenshots of himself downloading copyrighted content over bittorrent on his blog! :)
[18:59] <nigelb> doctormo: you should understand that not everyone using ubuntu think about free software
[19:00] <popey> BUT THEY SHOULD!
[19:00] <popey> etc
[19:00] <nigelb> I'm like _marx_.  It works I use it.  I'm happy with it, I contribute back.
[19:00] <popey> right, home time methinks..
[19:01] <popey> you lot be good you cheeky scamps!
[19:03] <JFo> I will not!
[19:03] <JFo> 'be good'... the very idea! ;)
[19:03] <nigelb> haha
[19:03]  * popey makes a mark on 'The List'
[19:03] <doctormo> Good... hmm, concept not found.
[19:13] <nigelb> ok, so community participation in patch review is way too awesome! Down to 1687 from 1952 when I announced the launch of operation cleansweep
[19:13] <JFo> very nice!
[19:14] <doctormo> congratulations nigelb, that's awesom
[19:14] <doctormo> It'll improve trust in submitting patches too
[19:15] <nigelb> doctormo: I'm in shock myself as to what the heck happened
[19:16] <doctormo> nigelb: Why? the community is powerful but unorganised, your harnessing lighting sucessfully :-D
[19:16] <nigelb> doctormo: perhaps the overwhelming response caught me by surprise
[19:35] <nigelb> JFo: im skipping meeting. 12 am and im *really* sleepy
[19:35] <JFo> sounds good
[19:36] <JFo> I'll be sending out an e-mail about the triage summit soon
[19:36] <JFo> so you should see it
[19:36] <nigelb> awesome! thanks :)
[19:52] <cjohnston> doctormo: would you be willing to write about getting involved in ubuntu by being an application author for the ubuntu.com/community page?
[19:54] <jcastro> popey: man dude, robbie's interview is great
[19:54] <jcastro> ditto kees and ricks
[19:54] <jcastro> popey: you should blog these!
[19:55] <doctormo> cjohnston: Not sure what you need to know from me
[19:55] <popey> jcastro: yeah, i really enjoyed interviewing rick spencer, he just talked and talked
[19:56] <cjohnston> doctormo: if you take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityContributePages#Developers  Jono wrote that about developers.. if you scroll to the bottom of the page, we need one for application authors.. kinda like the opportunistic developer thing..
[19:56] <popey> and kees, especially as he was reluctant to do the interview and didnt think he'd be any good, but turned out to be full of awesome!
[19:58] <nigelb> jcastro: when you do blog, please mention numbers from http://tinyurl.com/2u7kf3b - review queue
[19:59] <jcastro> nigelb: yeah
[19:59] <jcastro> I was just waiting a bit since bobbo just posted and I didn't want to bump him down yet
[19:59] <jcastro> nigelb: go to bed confident I will get to it! :)
[19:59] <nigelb> off to bed now :)
[20:00] <qense> Yay! I think the Dutch elections were responsible for the Twitter Fail Whale today. At least the national broadcaster is suggesting that.
[20:10] <jturek> jono: awesome @home earlier, had some great questions - should fork @home with @home in the cloud to discuss cloud computing :)
[20:14] <jono> thanks jturek :)
[20:17] <JFo> jono on Cloud 9? :)
[20:19] <popey> oh dear http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/new-ubuntu-font-how-to-download-it-but.html
[20:22] <qense> popey: That looks really bad.
[20:22] <qense> Exactly the thing the font designer warned for, but worse.
[20:23] <vish> popey: the cat was out of the bag , when people started posting screenshots with the fonts ;)
[20:24] <popey> that makes it okay then
[20:24] <qense> But do you really want a screenscraped font out in the wild? That sounds horrible!
[20:24] <vish> popey: i meant the OMG folks :)
[20:29] <cjohnston> jcastro: ping
[20:29] <jcastro> cjohnston: pong
[20:30] <cjohnston> hey... What I had wanted to talk to you about was the HoF
[20:30] <cjohnston> which... is.. sick... hehe
[20:48] <AlanBell> qense: if that is just someone taking random glyphs and putting them in a ttf then all the metrics are going to be wrong
[20:49] <AlanBell> stuff like the new Ubuntu logo has been manually kerned for large sizes, the spacing will be a complete mess.
[20:50] <jcastro> cjohnston: yep, gimme like 10 minutes or so to finish what I am working on
[20:50] <cjohnston> yup
[20:53] <czajkowski> could someone who is wise please explain  why folks rename subjects in threads? boggles me no end
[20:56] <cjohnston> czajkowski: if you find the answer, please tell me
[20:57] <czajkowski> grr tis doing my noggin in
[21:00] <jcastro> czajkowski: skype?
[21:00] <jcastro> I mean cjohnston
[21:00] <czajkowski> *sniff*
[21:00] <czajkowski> no love me for jcastro
[21:01] <jcastro> maybe later!
[21:01] <cjohnston> sure
[21:01] <cjohnston> ffemtcj
[21:01] <cjohnston> poor czajkowski
[21:02]  * czajkowski  goes in search of white chocci
[21:03] <cjohnston> There is some in brussels... I remember.. we saw it
[21:03] <cjohnston> ;-)
[21:03] <jcastro> is ffmemtcj your username?
[21:03] <cjohnston> yes
[21:03] <cjohnston> well..
[21:03] <cjohnston> ffemtcj is
[21:03] <jcastro> oh, I thought you were just mashing your keyboard!
[21:03] <cjohnston> thats my old irc nic
[21:03] <cjohnston> heh
[21:05] <czajkowski> jcastro: see mine is czajkowski much easier :p no chocci for you
[21:06] <jcastro> you do not appear to be signed in!
[21:06] <cjohnston> i am
[21:06] <cjohnston> we arent friends tho
[21:06] <jcastro> I just tried to friend you
[21:06] <czajkowski> yer very special
[21:06] <cjohnston> czajkowski: you just gotta type all the letters of the alphabet and hope to get them in the right order for you. ;-)
[21:07] <czajkowski> cjohnston: you are gonna get a wallop for that young lad
[21:07] <cjohnston> lol
[21:08] <cjohnston> i know
[21:08] <jcastro> cjohnston: can you try to add me? jcastro1975
[21:08] <cjohnston> but I still havent figured out how to spell it.. thanks to cz <tab>
[21:08] <jcastro> I do the same thing
[21:09] <Pendulum> cjohnston: czajkowski really isn't that hard to spell
[21:09] <JFo> god forbid there is ever another cz<bla> in this channel :-P
[21:09] <Pendulum> the hardest bit to remember is the "czaj" and the rest is pretty much how it sounds
[21:09] <cjohnston> there are two cj<tab>'s in alot of channels
[21:10] <AlanBell> there is a czam somewhere
[21:11] <cjohnston> there it is jcastro !
[21:11] <jcastro> ah wait!
[21:11] <jcastro> it's making me update
[21:11] <cjohnston> lol
[21:13] <jcastro> czajkowski: we were going to invite you to our call so you wouldn't feel left out
[21:13] <jcastro> but I guess it's all about chocolate now!
[21:14] <cjohnston> chrisjohnston
[21:21] <cjohnston> ooo... czajkowski... I could use your help on something... ;-)
[21:21] <czajkowski> thats never good..
[21:21] <czajkowski> sup
[21:21] <cjohnston> jcastro: she just got on!
[21:21] <cjohnston> about 5 seconds after we hung up :-(
[21:22] <czajkowski> cooking
[21:22] <czajkowski> cjohnston: sup?
[21:22] <cjohnston> czajkowski: wanna write something for getting involved in the ubuntu community, more specifically advocating ubuntu?
[21:22] <cjohnston> ;-)
[21:22] <cjohnston> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityContributePages <-----
[21:23] <czajkowski> cjohnston: I can do as long as you dont need it between now and 2pm tomorrow
[21:23] <cjohnston> nah.. maybe by the end of next week?
[21:23] <czajkowski> ah thats grand
[21:23] <czajkowski> trying to swat up for a job interview
[21:24] <cjohnston> cool
[21:24] <czajkowski> catch ye in a wee bit
[21:24] <czajkowski> need food
[21:24] <cjohnston> enjoy!
[21:25] <cjohnston> jcastro: still around?
[21:26] <jcastro> sort of
[21:26] <cjohnston> newz found the files needed to fix it.. would daniel be the right person to assign the bug to?
[21:26] <jcastro> but I got to get these droids to the south ridge by the end of the day, or there'll be hell to pay
[21:26] <jcastro> cjohnston: yeah! Reply to the mail I just sent with the links
[21:26] <cjohnston> you can send me a droid
[21:26] <cjohnston> okie
[21:35] <jcastro> man
[21:35] <jcastro> popey:
[21:35] <popey> ya
[21:35] <jcastro> I sent one of a my friends a link to the interviews
[21:36] <jcastro> here's what he says:
[21:36] <jcastro> "the guy is all British and shit, sweet"
[21:36] <popey> :)
[21:49] <czajkowski> heh
[21:58] <AlanBell> gosh
[23:09] <dinda> akgraner: and everyone else too!    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/100UsersProject