[00:00] <paultag> OK. Well it's 7:00
[00:00] <paultag> #startmeeting
[00:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:00. The chair is paultag.
[00:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[00:00] <Vantrax> o7
[00:00] <ibuclaw> o/
[00:00] <paultag> Howdy, ya'll. The wedding is down two doors
[00:00] <cjohnston> o/
[00:01] <Chesamo> \o
[00:01] <Vantrax> awww, but this looked like a lovely spot
[00:01] <paultag> :)
[00:01] <paultag> Well, our agenda is quite thin this month. Any items that need to be brought up?
[00:01] <paultag> ( team-wide, before we poke FG teams )
[00:01] <paultag> Going once!
[00:01] <paultag> Twice!
[00:02] <paultag> Thrice!
[00:02] <paultag> Mmmkay. On to FGs
[00:02] <paultag> duanedesign, poke. Any LP updates?
[00:02] <paultag> I'm guessing he is AFK :)
[00:02] <ddecator> forgot the meeting was in here :p
[00:02] <paultag> stlsaint, ddecator, welcome. Any team biz to discuss before moving on?
[00:03] <ddecator> not that i know of
[00:03] <stlsaint> no sire
[00:03] <paultag> Righto. Let's wait a few minutes. This is not a great turnout
[00:03] <DarkwingDuck> I'm here
[00:03] <paultag> [IDEA] Start emailing the Mailing List more often
[00:03] <MootBot> IDEA received:  Start emailing the Mailing List more often
[00:03] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, getting to membership soon :)
[00:03] <ddecator> paultag: +1
[00:04] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, we need to make sure we have enough UBT members around
[00:04] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: not worried about it.
[00:04] <DarkwingDuck> I waited this long, what's a few more minutes. ;)
[00:04] <paultag> wojox is not here
[00:04] <ddecator> tenach should be here too..
[00:05] <paultag> tenach is not here :/
[00:05] <paultag> nor shredder12
[00:05] <ddecator> hopefully people are just running late :\
[00:05] <paultag> ddecator, yeah, that's almost half no-show for their membership
[00:06] <paultag> Which UBT members are here?
[00:06] <cjohnston> o/
[00:07] <paultag> OK. I don't think we have enough members to go on.
[00:07] <Chesamo> :(
[00:07] <ddecator> :(
[00:07]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[00:07] <paultag> Humm
[00:07] <paultag> ibuclaw, are you here?
[00:07] <paultag> duanedesign, what do you think about moving membership to the mailing lists for this one month?
[00:08] <paultag> Well. Seeing as I am the only UBT council member here, I'm going to have to make a gut call
[00:08] <paultag> [VOTE] End the meeting early and move membership votes to the Mailing List
[00:08] <MootBot> Please vote on:  End the meeting early and move membership votes to the Mailing List.
[00:08] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[00:08] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[00:08] <paultag> UBT members are free to vote
[00:09] <cjohnston> +1
[00:09] <MootBot> +1 received from cjohnston. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[00:09] <paultag> +1
[00:09] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[00:09] <ddecator> heh, so just you two..
[00:09] <paultag> Damn shame.
[00:09] <paultag> [AGREED] End the meeting early and move membership votes to the Mailing List
[00:09] <MootBot> AGREED received:  End the meeting early and move membership votes to the Mailing List
[00:09] <paultag> [ENDVOTE]
[00:09] <MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 2
[00:09] <cjohnston> do we ahve enough people to vote to end the meeting?
[00:09] <paultag> #endmeeting
[00:09] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 18:09.
[00:09] <paultag> Thanks for showing up guys
[00:10] <ddecator> 9 minutes, new record
[00:10] <cjohnston> I think we had one shroter
[00:10] <paultag> O
[00:10] <paultag> I'll write an email to the team
[00:10] <paultag> sorry to our new guys, ddecator and DarkwingDuck
[00:10] <ddecator> sounds god
[00:10] <ddecator> good*
[00:11] <ddecator> not your fault paultag
[00:11]  * DarkwingDuck chuckles 
[00:11] <DarkwingDuck> paultag: New guy?
[00:11] <DarkwingDuck> :P:P
[00:11] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, fair enough :)
[00:11] <paultag> DarkwingDuck, prospective members :D
[00:12] <ddecator> heh
[00:12] <DarkwingDuck> LOL paultag, not offended... Just finding humor
[00:12] <DarkwingDuck> After that LoCo email I needed to ;)
[00:12] <phillw> paultag: would PM be okay when you get chance?
[00:12] <paultag> of course phillw
[00:13] <phillw> pm me when you are free
[00:14] <stlsaint> paultag: i gotta go in about ten
[00:14] <paultag> stlsaint, meeting is over. You can leave :)
[00:15] <stlsaint> oh sorry..i missed that log entry :D
[00:15] <DarkwingDuck> Guess I'll read about it on the ML :P
[00:25] <cprofitt> sorry I am late UBT
[00:26] <ddecator> cprofitt: meeting ended a while ago :p
[00:26] <cprofitt> it took less than 30 minutes... wow
[00:27] <ddecator> 9 minutes. not enough people to vote on new members
[00:27] <cprofitt> ah...
[00:27] <cprofitt> yeah 7pm is a bit rough for some folks in the US
[00:27] <cprofitt> I normally can make 7pm, but tonight I was at another meeting
[00:27] <ddecator> 6pm for some of us :p
[00:28] <cprofitt> true...
[00:28] <cprofitt> I should have said 23:00 UTC
[00:28] <cprofitt> because that is 7pm -> 3pm depending on where you are in the states
[00:29] <cprofitt> I guess... 1pm if we throw in Hawaii
[00:30] <cprofitt> sorry you did not get votd on ddecator
[00:30] <cprofitt> Hopefully we can get this done the next meeting
[00:30] <ddecator> cprofitt: nah, it's fine, it's being brought to the ML (paul just sent an email)
[00:31] <paultag> aye.
[00:31] <cprofitt> nice
[00:31] <cprofitt> good way to do it
[00:32] <paultag> thanks. These guys have been waiting for a long while. No need to punish them on account of idle members
[00:32]  * cprofitt nods and agrees with paultag 
[00:32]  * pleia2 nods
[16:00] <mvo> hello!
[16:01] <barry> hello!
[16:01]  * xnox 0/
[16:02] <cjwatson> hi
[16:02] <psurbhi> o/
[16:02] <mvo> so the order today is:
[16:02] <mvo> surbhi, ev, doko, barry, mvo, Keybuk, cjwatson
[16:02] <mvo> for the lighting round
[16:03] <mvo> I did not get any agenda additions by mail, anything somebody wants to add now?
[16:03] <psurbhi> not much from my end.. could not do much, sorry about it :( ..set up qemu and still testing btrfs.. went through btrfs code.. thats it.. i really hope by next meeting i have something
[16:03] <barry> not from me
[16:04]  * psurbhi thought the round began
[16:04] <mvo> thanks psurbhi :)
[16:04] <mvo> the round has began
[16:04] <doko> online, but still in cambridge
[16:05] <mvo> so your lighting round item is "sprinting" :)
[16:05] <maco> lightning round?
[16:05] <mvo> "2-4 sentences on current work/roadblocks "
[16:06] <barry> is ev here?
[16:06] <mvo> no ev today?
[16:06] <cjwatson> doesn't look like it ...
[16:06] <mvo> so its barry
[16:06] <xnox> ev on vacation?!
[16:06] <barry> bug 589227 (2.6.32-22.35 breaks kvm); virtual machine hacking (vmbuilder, kvm, libvirt); foundations-m-python-versions (building the py27 ppa stack); foundations-m-continuous-integration (emails, and package tests). done.
[16:07] <mvo> apt: improve mirror method; move stuff to aptdaemon backend (gnome-codec-instal\
[16:07] <mvo> l, update-manager), some merges, work on software-center launchpad integration,\
[16:07] <mvo>  buy-stuff work
[16:07] <mvo> (eof)
[16:08] <mvo> actually, the mirror:// method is something I would like to briefly talk about, it looks like the launchpad side of things is working well, so we may consider it for maverick, at least get feedback on it
[16:08] <mvo> (after the lighting round of course)
[16:08] <barry> mvo: need more context :)
[16:08]  * cjwatson first remembers that coming up in UDS Mountain View (the first one)
[16:09] <cjwatson> no Keybuk?
[16:09]  * cjwatson checks the holiday system
[16:10] <cjwatson> ah yes, ev and Keybuk are both on holiday today
[16:10] <cjwatson> done: more grub2 bug-fixing, somewhat desperately trying to get a new version into Debian testing and maverick; Linaro infrastructure sprint; initial work on foundations-m-uefi-support, got a test CD out and do
[16:10] <cjwatson> ne some early experimentation with grub-efi
[16:10] <mvo> the idea is that mirrors.ubuntu.com hands out a list of mirrors via geoip to apt and that picks one and one 404,403 etc it can retry the next. there are more fancy plans, but that is the basic feature
[16:10] <cjwatson> todo: fix grub-efi (or my sample EFI implementation) to the point where I can make serious progress on installer side of foundations-m-uefi-support; likely to spend most of Friday at Linaro infrastructure sprint, but available tomorrow; finish sorting out team work items
[16:10] <cjwatson> --
[16:10] <cjwatson> (and speaking of team work items, I have an agenda item to slot in later)
[16:11] <cjwatson> xnox: do you want to slot anything into the lightning round?
[16:11] <xnox> sure. =)
[16:12] <xnox> wiped my harddrive parition table & restored. Got grub-efi to chainboot another grub, boot kernel/initrtd from iso.
[16:12] <xnox> got grub-pc to boot on macs as well to boot iso from usb
[16:12] <xnox> it's impossible to compile grub2 on a mac. Figuring out how to do usb-creator backend on macs....
[16:12] <xnox> eof
[16:12] <cjwatson> definitely need to talk with you once I'm a little further along with uefi-support and am doing better than guesswork
[16:13] <xnox> cjwatson: openSUSE are doing geolocation mirrors (not sure if they use geoIP)
[16:13] <cjwatson> that's -> mvo
[16:13] <doko> binutils cross build fix integration, gcc upstream cross build fix, sprinting
[16:13] <doko> done
[16:14] <cjwatson> that's all for the lightning round?
[16:14] <cjwatson> our lightning is slow today :)
[16:14] <mvo> do we have any outstanding actions from the last meeting?
[16:15]  * mvo can not see any
[16:15] <xnox> doko: will gnat-4.5 be uploaded to maverick? (and debian experimental)
[16:15] <doko> xnox: yes, if you port it from 4.4
[16:16] <xnox> doko: =) gotcha
[16:16] <mvo> the alpha2 buglist looks pretty small currently
[16:16] <doko> xnox: you might want to get in touch with lbrenta
[16:17] <mvo> (buglist is at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+bugs?field.milestone:list=27560 - just fyi)
[16:18] <mvo> if there are no further comments from the buglist, then I think its best to let cjwatson talk about work items
[16:19] <cjwatson> well, I was going to nag people about the work items mail I sent, but I think the only people I need to nag are actually ev (who has a fairly decent set of work items already) and doko (whom I nagged in person earlier today) :)
[16:20] <cjwatson> so I think it would be best if people went to look at http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-foundations.html
[16:20] <cjwatson> barry, mvo, you two want to check back in an hour or two, since I just accepted a bunch of your specs for maverick and fixed up work item formatting etc.
[16:20] <barry> cjwatson: sure :)
[16:20] <cjwatson> everybody else, please check that this list is representative of what you'll be doing this cycle by way of feature work
[16:20] <mvo> ohoh
[16:20] <mvo> :)
[16:21] <cjwatson> we need to adjust things so that there's slightly less stuff creeping in from people who've moved teams, but ignore that
[16:22] <cjwatson> if it's *not* complete, please mail me a list of the specs that should be on there
[16:22] <cjwatson> and write up work items for them if they aren't there already, please
[16:22] <cjwatson> here endeth the nag
[16:22] <mvo> thanks cjwatson
[16:23] <mvo> my bit is really only
[16:23] <mvo> please try: "deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt maverick main restricted" (or lucid) in your sources.list
[16:23] <mvo> and let me know if you experience any issues, it should be working well now
[16:23] <mvo> in both maverick and lucid
[16:24] <mvo> once there is more confidence in it (there is a update for maverick pending) we can talk about making it default
[16:24] <mvo> or at least expose it better in software-properties
[16:25] <mvo> (thats it from on the mirror method)
[16:25] <cjwatson> cool, I'll give that a go
[16:26] <mvo> next item is "Any business from activity reports " - please add your activity reports to the wiki page
[16:26] <mvo> so far only barry did …
[16:26]  * mvo blushes because his is missing too
[16:26] <cjwatson> mine is also missing, sorry - will do before EOD
[16:26]  * psurbhi notes
[16:27] <psurbhi> where is the foundations wiki?
[16:27] <psurbhi> i mean where do i put them up?
[16:27] <mvo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0609
[16:27] <psurbhi> mvo, thanks
[16:27] <mvo> I did send out a mail about it, did I accidently forgot to include you psurbhi ? if so, I'm  sorry
[16:28] <psurbhi> mvo, np
[16:28] <mvo> "Good news " anyone?
[16:28]  * psurbhi checks email as well
[16:28] <cjwatson> at least some level of graphics support appears to Just Work Already in grub-efi
[16:29] <barry> don't forget there's a private mailing list we can use so you don't have to remember everyone's email.  i'm not sure if psurbhi's on it, but i'll double check the membership
[16:29] <cjwatson> (except for the fact that my EFI implementation only has a 256-colour emulated video card, so the Ubuntu background colour gets smashed to some kind of dark red, which confused me until I did the maths and confirmed that it was correct)
[16:29] <mvo> barry: could oyu please mail that list and remind about it?
[16:29] <barry> mvo: will do
[16:30] <mvo> my SoC student is working on apt multiarch rocks
[16:30] <cjwatson> I gave psurbhi access the other day, though I think she'd have had to press a button in LP to actually subscribe
[16:30] <mvo> that should read "and he rocks"
[16:30] <mvo> breaks the ABI all over the place too :P
[16:30] <cjwatson> apt ABI in "breaking" shocker ;-)
[16:30]  * psurbhi eww.. notes
[16:30] <barry> cjwatson: right.  we can't subscribe someone else to a list
[16:31] <cjwatson> ironically, at that point I noticed that I was not subscribed to that list either
[16:31] <barry> cjwatson: can you emulate efi for a vm?
[16:31] <cjwatson> (and fixed it)
[16:31] <xnox> cjwatson: =)))) blindly including all grub-efi modules boot lucid with wobly windows and compiz for me without fakebios & without efiframebuffer with nice plymouth and kms =)
[16:31] <cjwatson> barry: yep - grab OVMF from http://sourceforge.net/projects/edk2/, unpack in a directory, kvm -L .
[16:31] <cjwatson> xnox: oh, I meant graphics in grub itself
[16:31]  * psurbhi subscribed now
[16:32] <barry> cjwatson: cool
[16:32] <cjwatson> (though glad to hear it)
[16:32] <barry> cjwatson: i'll remove the members who have moved on
[16:32] <cjwatson> something's a bit wrong at the moment and grub can't load the kernel from OVMF, I'll investigate that
[16:32] <cjwatson> also the acronym is nearly impossible to remember
[16:32] <xnox> cjwatson: =))) well i played around with just regular grub menu
[16:34] <mvo> ok, moving on to "AOB"
[16:34] <mvo> AOB?
[16:36] <mvo> 3
[16:36] <mvo> 2
[16:36] <mvo> 1
[16:36] <mvo> "# Next week's chair "
[16:36] <mvo> anybody who wants to do it? otherwise its going to be (in the just started tradition) the first one from the shuffle script
[16:37] <barry> mvo: that's a great way to do it :)
[16:37] <doko> I think I am next
[16:37] <mvo> aha, a volunteer, even better. thanks doko
[16:37] <psurbhi> doko, thanks, i think i was first otherwise..
[16:37] <doko> I was volunteered ...
[16:38] <psurbhi> :)
[16:38] <mvo> EOM - thanks everyone :)
[16:38] <psurbhi> mvo, thanks!
[16:38] <xnox> thanks =)
[16:38] <psurbhi> o/ bbye!
[16:38] <barry> mvo: thanks!
[20:02] <highvoltage> good evening
[20:02] <bencrisford> evening :)
[20:03] <highvoltage> apologies if I seem somewhat aloof tonight, I've had some stomach bug the past few days and have mostly been sleeping due to pills I've taken
[20:04] <highvoltage> Rubén Romero
[20:05] <highvoltage> oops, premature paste :)
[20:05] <highvoltage> Rubén Romero e-mailed me today about collaboration between debian-edu and edubuntu
[20:05] <mhall119> yay, meeting time
[20:06]  * stgraber waves
[20:06] <highvoltage> he's willing to facilitate that, he has some good ideas, he'll share with the list too
[20:06] <mhall119> highvoltage: cool, I wanted to collaborate with them on QImo
[20:06]  * alkisg waves too
[20:06] <highvoltage> I suggested that he also look at Utnubu (Ubuntu backwards, a collaboration link between Debian-Ubuntu - http://wiki.debian.org/Utnubu)
[20:06] <highvoltage> so perhaps some of it might happen under the Utnubu umbrella as well
[20:08] <highvoltage> mhall119: great
[20:09] <highvoltage> I was busy speaking to Hedgemage until the meeting started about the Edubuntu site, she'll be getting some things ready and I'll possibly have it after the meeting
[20:10] <highvoltage> I told her that we might have to move on without her work for now since we really need a site, and that she shouldn't be offended if we do. She's ok with it and if we have to do that we'll just retro-fit some of her work again. She had lots of unexpected work coming up this month so that kind of messed with the planning for it
[20:13] <highvoltage> I haven't had a chance to look at vikram's documentation spec yet, have anyone else? any thoughts?
[20:13] <highvoltage> (https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-documentation-build)
[20:15] <highvoltage> ah, there's some ideas in there but it's not a plan per se
[20:15] <mhall119> I know we've talked about moin->docbook before, that would be really nice to have
[20:16] <highvoltage> I like the sidewiki idea, but I'm not sure how many educators/end-users typically use that. easy feedback would be great though
[20:22] <highvoltage> (sorry got a bit distracted)
[20:23] <highvoltage> alkisg: did you want to talk about copying that package to the stable ppa from yours?
[20:23] <alkisg> Sure.
[20:23] <alkisg> Tuxpaint got demoted to universe in the Lucid cycle
[20:24] <alkisg> That resulted in the translations missing in the lucid package (it should have had been reuploaded for the translations to not be stripped)
[20:24] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/572994
[20:24] <alkisg> I don't know if there's going to be an update to lucid-updates or lucid-proposed, but in the meantime we could upload it to the edubuntu stable ppa
[20:24] <alkisg> I already uploaded it to my ppa, so a "copy packages" is all that's needed
[20:25] <alkisg> If anyone agrees, I could copy it right now and send an email to the mailing list + mention it on the bug report...
[20:25]  * highvoltage +1
[20:26] <mhall119> oh, so that's why Qimo doesn't translate tuxpaint...
[20:26] <drubin> 4
[20:26] <drubin> In my opinion, the best Web 2.0 development system out there is Google's GWT. There are many frameworks, such as YUI and jQuery that provide exceptional features, however they require you to code in JavaScript and whilst these libraries themselves offer tested and debugged code that is highly portable across browsers, hand-coding JavaScript yourself quickly becomes a quagmire of browser
[20:26] <drubin> compatibility issues and arcane debugging techniques.
[20:26] <highvoltage> alkisg: is it an update to the package, or is it a new package that has to be included?
[20:26] <alkisg> highvoltage: just a reuploading was needed
[20:26] <drubin> wow sorry for that copy/paste fail!
[20:26] <alkisg> Nothing was modified except for a version bump
[20:26] <highvoltage> alkisg: hmm, ok, then we could possibly get a SRU for it
[20:27] <alkisg> That'd be best
[20:27] <highvoltage> alkisg: for some reason I thought there was an additional package, but I was probably thinking of another discussion earler
[20:27] <mhall119> why was it dropped to universe?
[20:28] <highvoltage> mhall119: at a guess there probably isn't any dedicated person to maintain it
[20:28]  * mhall119 makes a note to check maintainers for all Qimo's packages
[20:29] <highvoltage> dedicated person / dedicated core-dev :)
[20:30] <ScottK> Things only stay in Main for a specific reason.  In this case it was dropped from the default intall, aiui, and so it would be natural for it to go to Universe.
[20:34] <highvoltage> ScottK: which default install? it wasn't ever in the Ubuntu one, I'm quite sure that it's still in the default Edubuntu
[20:34] <ScottK> highvoltage: I'm not sure then.
[20:35] <ScottK> It may be just a fallout of the fact that Edubuntu used to all be in Main and isn't anymore.
[20:35]  * ScottK looks.
[20:35] <highvoltage> yep, that makes sense
[20:36] <highvoltage> hi dhillonv10
[20:37] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: hi :) sorry I am a little late, is the meeting over?
[20:37] <highvoltage> nope, but probably close
[20:38] <highvoltage> dhillonv10: I looked at your blueprint, will respond on the list later, I meant to do so sooner but it just didn't work out
[20:38] <highvoltage> I think the sidewiki idea is great, not sure how many educators use it though
[20:38] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: that alright :) so anything else for me?
[20:39] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: its quite easy to use you see, I can do a screencast like 2 mins. long which can explain all its goodness :)
[20:40] <highvoltage> dhillonv10: I talked to Hedgemage before the meeting as well, she'll tar up the parts we need for the site, so if you'd like to do a screencast, then we can include a video on the site
[20:40] <highvoltage> dhillonv10: we could do with plenty of other screencasts as well :)
[20:40] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: sure :) that would be great
[20:40] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: I'll try but my video skills aren't that good :)
[20:41] <highvoltage> dhillonv10: that study on finding out what people often asks about also sounds great
[20:42] <highvoltage> dhillonv10: it could also be useful for knowing what kind of screencasts are required
[20:43] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: yeah like I said in the blueprint, I have the code and its in one of the branches but its not efficient, it just searches "some" common phrases and I may have to write a lot of it over to make it more useful
[20:45] <highvoltage> yep, we also only get a few common questions on IRC, I guess we could do some of it manually on the forums/bug reports/lists as well
[20:45] <ScottK> highvoltage: In karmic it was in main due to being in ubuntu-edu-preschool.
[20:46] <highvoltage> ScottK: it still is
[20:46] <ScottK> highvoltage: Yes, but an Edubuntu seed no longer forces it into Main.
[20:46] <ScottK> So it's as I thought.
[20:46] <highvoltage> ScottK: *nod*
[20:47] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: that also links with something else I am working on, you know how launchpad has an answers service where you can ask question about ubuntu and other softwares, now we can use google to search the terms in the question and get more information then in the template of the answer we can send those links back, like the top 5 or something
[20:48] <highvoltage> I'll try to put together some summary of our UDS work items and what needs attention and get it out to the list and make sure everyone knows what they need to do
[20:48] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: with what I have currently it can find some common terms but attaching them back to the email template is not working good
[20:48] <highvoltage> personally I haven't been giving Edubuntu as much attention recently as I'd like to, but I'll get back on track soon :)
[20:49] <dhillonv10> same here :)
[20:49] <mhall119> me too
[20:51] <highvoltage> I think the most important thing on my list is probably getting the installer stuff going, also an improved ltsp-live, although  I'll probably do the edubuntu-artwork package split over the next week
[20:51] <dhillonv10> mhall119: hiiiiiiiiii :)
[20:51] <mhall119> highvoltage: will you be able to help me get started on an alternative installer for Qimo 2?
[20:51] <mhall119> hi dhillonv10
[20:52] <highvoltage> mhall119: yep
[20:52] <mhall119> cool
[20:52] <highvoltage> mhall119: you know what would be cool? (at least imho) a text-based front-end for ubiquity
[20:53] <mhall119> yes
[20:53] <mhall119> but you'd still need RAM enough to expand the squashfs
[20:53] <dhillonv10> true :)
[20:53] <highvoltage> that doesn't take much
[20:53] <highvoltage> the image is only read as needed, it doesn't all get stored into RAM
[20:53] <mhall119> well something causes Qimo to need 192 MB to install, even running just ubiquity
[20:54] <highvoltage> mhall119: is that with the ubiquity-only session? because that's supposed to work on 128MB afaik
[20:55] <mhall119> sometimes, if you dont' have onboard video, it'll work on 128
[20:55] <mhall119> but rarely
[20:55] <mhall119> sometimes with onboard video, even 256 isn't enough
[20:56] <highvoltage> yeah that's just a case of ubiquity needing lots of memory, would've been the same even if you didn't use squashfs.
[20:57] <mhall119> oh, I didn't know it needed that much
[20:58] <highvoltage> not sure where all the memory is going to, and if a text-based front-end would help
[20:58] <highvoltage> I imagine not running GDM or X would already help at least
[20:59] <mhall119> probably
[20:59] <mhall119> but I've run desktops on 128MB after installing with an alternate CD
[21:00] <highvoltage> I can't even survive on 1GB these days :)
[21:00]  * highvoltage blames firefox (for one)
[21:01] <highvoltage> I guess it's time to move back to  #edubuntu :)
[21:01] <dhillonv10> highvoltage: yeah firefox takes a lot of memory :)
[21:01] <mhall119> I have 4GB now, I'm happy
[21:10] <alkisg> Well even if the installer worked with 128 RAM, the installed system would be unusable with anything below 512, so it doesn't really matter...
[21:21] <mhall119> I've had Qimo running on 128MB
[21:21] <mhall119> it's not great
[21:21] <mhall119> but 256 runs it just fine