[00:01] I know I haven't changed any core LVM configs; just added/removed volumes. [00:30] ugh the hospital blocks social networking sites even on their guest network [00:31] tunnel your way to freedom [00:32] a3ist: whats the easiest way to do that, i assume something involving ssh forwarding? [00:33] set up one of your own computers elsewhere as a proxy [00:34] then tunnel to it and forward the traffic over ssh for security [00:34] ccheney: sounds good to me [00:35] or do you mean as a visitor/outpatient ? [00:35] any suggestions for a good simple proxy to run? [00:35] linxeh: visitor, my wife had our son this morning [00:36] and they have internet access ? [00:36] linxeh: yea :) [00:36] its not as uncommon as you'd think [00:36] here we have to turn off all wifi and mobile devices [00:36] but they run websense on the http [00:36] I hate websense [00:36] webnonsense [00:36] it miscategorises sites bigtime [00:37] oh cheney as a side note when you run the ssh tunnel you can add compression as well to help with latency [00:37] * ajmitch has used corkscrew for setting that up before [00:37] a3ist: oh ok, thanks, the last time i had to run a tunneled proxy was nearly 10 years ago and i have forgotten most of how to do it :) [00:37] ccheney: and congratulations :) [00:37] ajmitch: thanks [00:38] ssh -C -L port:localhost:port hostname [00:39] there are a ton of guides and stuff out there too for reference [00:39] i think i don't need corkscrew as they don't block other ports outbound at least not 22 anyway [00:39] a3ist: ok will take a look, thanks [00:39] then forwarding to a squid proxy on a remote host might work well [00:39] yup [00:40] it works for me for getting to the US music store for U1 :) [00:42] heh [00:51] there [00:51] there is a way to tunnel a full ipv4 network over ssh iirc, right? [00:52] if i did that i wouldn't need to change any configuration on any of my apps [00:52] ccheney: openvpn is the easiest way [00:52] smoser: As long as you can say it builds, installs, and run in the bug and it's not avoiding doing a proper SRU, I can approve it. [00:52] Give me a ping when it's ready. [00:53] ccheney: though you can do pppd + ssh too [00:54] SpamapS: ok [01:01] hi guys i have 60 client pc any apps that can help me deploy the installation of operating system- like ubuntu desktop..diskless and server base..? [01:01] SpamapS: does openvpn do the server side as well as client? [01:02] SpamapS: i installed it and it seems like a client, but maybe i misunderstand how it works [01:02] ccheney: yeah its a peer to peer connection [01:02] ccheney you can do vpn with NetworkManager but you need the extra plugin for the right type [01:02] like networkmanager-pptp [01:02] ccheney: its just a cmdline option whether to listen or conncet [01:02] from the client side, that is [01:02] not the host side [01:02] ok [01:03] ruben23: so these are NFS root? [01:08] SpamapS: the client pc are all empty newly purchase..i want to deploy ubuntu desktop or Ubuntu netbook editon using the server side.. [01:09] ruben23: but you said they are diskless, so how will they load their applications? [01:09] ruben23: you may want LTSP [01:10] SpamapS: sorry i mena disc less no DVD-Rom or cdrom.. [01:10] there are storage in every PC [01:10] ruben23: ah, are they all the same model PC? [01:11] ruben23: if so, SystemImager might work for you [01:11] SpamapS:there 30 units the same and the other batch same model also, but the 2 catergory are diffrent. [01:11] ruben23: anyway, good luck, I must be going [01:12] ruben23: right so you can make two "golden images" and then use systemimager to install them all [01:14] SpamapS:any how to do it..? [01:14] with sysmanager. [01:15] i mena sysimager [01:16] ScottK, i commented at https://bugs.launchpad.net/lucid-backports/+bug/589214 . [01:16] Launchpad bug 589214 in lucid-backports "backport maverick ec2-ami-tools to lucid" [Undecided,New] [01:16] Looking [01:17] will try to get the other tested soon, but really, the changes are very minimal over the previous versions (the essentially add a string 'ap-southeast-1'). [01:18] smoser: Approved. [01:18] Now it just needs an archive admin to execute the backport. [01:18] ScottK, so what is the appropriate version number ? [01:18] 1.3.49953-0ubuntu1~lucid1 [01:19] ok. what i got from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation [01:19] thanks. [01:21] smoser: Yes. That's for security/updates. Backports uses a different numbering scheme. [01:22] right. and the ~ is reasonable. [01:46] New bug: #591517 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "package libmysqlclient16 5.1.41-3ubuntu12.1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: el subproceso script post-installation instalado devolvió el código de salida de error 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/591517 [04:00] i can't connect my guest os after install [04:00] do know how [04:06] unewbie: what virtualization technology are you using? [04:12] kvm [04:12] twb: kvm [04:13] unewbie: are you using libvirt? [04:13] yes [04:13] vmbuilder when create guest os [04:13] OK, then you would access it via libvirt somehow. [04:13] how is that? [04:13] I don't know. [04:14] :D [04:14] any other way? [04:15] That would depend how kvm is invoked by libvirt [04:15] what's your suggestion [04:15] Normally when I use kvm directly, I just connect its text console to stdio. [04:15] it's my first virtualisation [04:16] what's text console? [04:16] Er, the bit without the pictures. [04:16] do i have to manage directly on the host server? [04:17] may be that's what i want [04:17] the text console [04:17] i don't want graphic [04:17] i only want to use ssh from my xp desktop [04:19] Yeah, so I would ssh in, and run kvm -curses -hda foo.img [04:20] -hda? the harddisk? [04:20] I think you should just read the libvirt documentation. [04:21] where? [04:22] I don't know. [04:22] Did you try reading the ubuntu server guide? [04:23] yes [04:23] but don't understand [04:24] i'm seeing the serialconsolehowto page is this what you mean? [04:24] i thought it was the serial port behind the server [04:24] not the text console [04:27] The serial console is a text console. [04:27] Probably libvirt is just shit and can't directly export a VGA text console via curses. [04:28] Most virtualization systems can't, so the libvirt people probably haven't added that into libvirt, even though your kvm backend supports it [04:29] what are using using for virtualisation [04:29] may be i cant switch to your way [04:29] can [04:32] so [04:32] if i have the 64 bit mini.iso [04:32] and idk if i have 64 bit and it loads [04:32] do i have 64bit? [04:32] cause all it says is semperon, but online it says 64bit... [04:38] what socket [04:38] twb: from that page, i have edit ttyS0.conf but i can't locate the file [04:39] What release is the VM running? [04:39] Unless you *install* using the serial console, you won't have a ttyS0.conf [04:39] if it's socket A, it is most definitely not [04:39] if it's socket 754, it's about a 70/30 chance [04:39] how to find the vm release? [04:40] kvm --version [04:40] QEMU PC emulator version 0.12.3 (qemu-kvm-0.12.3), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard [04:40] is that? [04:47] err [04:47] back [04:47] I have [04:47] eh [04:47] lemme see [04:48] err [04:49] cnet says sixty four bit computing yes [04:49] it does not say the socket... [04:49] and since its in use im stuck on this slow tablet [04:53] Mgamerz: if the kernel boots, you have a 64bit capable chip [04:54] this pc was made in 05 [04:54] perhaps they did not label it as 64 as 64 was still semi new [04:54] First opterons were around '04 IIRC [04:54] 03 [04:54] wikipedia'd [04:54] :) [04:55] Opteron 1401.4 GHz1 MB800 MHz7x1.5584.7WSocket 940June 30, 2003[1]OSA140CCO5AG (B3) [04:55] :) [04:55] same link I had [04:55] i thought the pc server i had sucked [04:55] now really looking at the specs [04:55] no wonder its fuzzy in my head.. my first son was 3 months old.. probably hadn't slept for a few days when they announced. ;) [04:55] my pc sucks :( [04:55] Mgamerz: its ok, everybody's PC sucks now.. thats why we have the cloud. :) [04:56] but do you have the weed to support the cloud? [04:56] :) [04:57] * SpamapS coughs [04:57] aghhh [04:58] red screen of doom [04:58] step failed!! [04:58] oh the humanity [04:58] OMG [04:58] NO [04:58] UBUNTU NO [04:58] YOU DID NOT JUST DIE WHILE INSTALLING [04:59] :D [05:00] Mgamerz: red screen sounds odd [05:00] it said install step failed [05:00] :/ [05:01] i re-ssh'ed in [05:01] i have an installation of ubuntu server behind a private network. i have a staging server on the public network; what's the easiest way to push package updates to the private server? [05:01] webmin :P [05:01] for a start, i have copied all the packages from /var/cache/apt/archives to the private server [05:02] so i have a copy of all the packages i would need to update. i guess i also have to sync whatever info is downloaded when i do apt-get update on the staging server [05:02] eh [05:02] im not a guru... [05:03] so... i can't help you :s [05:03] panfist: "easiest" is probably to mirror the updates apt source to a USB drive and then sneakernet it over. ;) [05:03] lol sneakernet [05:04] yeah lol at least my ubuntu didn't just die :P [05:04] actually [05:04] i recoovered it [05:04] by resshing [05:05] manually installing stuff in miniiso killed the interface [05:05] it's either a.) sneakernet or b.) become an expert in linux firewalls overnight + lock down windows workstations or c.) say fuck it and just leave proprietary information [05:05] on the internet [05:05] C [05:05] i think the "lock down windows workstations" part is the scariest and most impossible [05:05] support open source [05:05] panfist: you don't need to be an expert to poke a hole in a firewall. [05:06] and piss off the rest :P [05:06] spamaps no i need to be an expert to make sure no one can poke a hole in mine [05:06] disable the network adapters... nobody will get in then [05:06] i can guarantee you [05:06] no wait [05:06] bet money on it [05:06] and that if anyone compromises a windows box operated by grandmothers they can't use that to poke a hole in my firewall [05:07] panfist: uh wha? [05:07] O_o [05:07] mgamerz so in other words, sneakernet [05:07] eh [05:07] sure [05:07] 85% installed [05:07] ok so [05:07] spamaps what? [05:08] panfist: the offline updating thing though, its a common issue for high security requirements. I'd say your best bet is to use something like 'apt-mirror' onto a disk and then just expose it like a cdrom in sources.list [05:08] i am installing 64 bit and i want to install a nvidia propriety driver (i need for video recording to server) [05:08] so i need the kernel source [05:09] i looked it up earlier and it was hella scary [05:09] on desktop version it was all preinstalled... [05:09] Mgamerz: you shouldn't need to do anything crazy for that. [05:09] git [05:09] the web page was scary long [05:11] Mgamerz: well that pre-installed version on the desktop is just a package ( I believe from the partners repository ) .. so should be easy enough to just apt-get install [05:11] the server doesn't have the hardware drivers... thing [05:11] jockey? [05:11] i couldn't find out the name of it [05:11] karmic was jockey [05:12] hmmm [05:12] grub 2 b or grub not2b [05:12] grub 2 is a nightmare [05:12] but it has ext4 support... [05:12] such hard decisions [05:14] finishing installation [05:14] here we go [05:15] linux takes security miles ahead of windows [05:15] wiping swap space for security [05:18] .... [05:18] this is taking a long time [05:20] here we go!! [05:20] .... [05:20] you cannot be serious. [05:21] damnit grub!!!! [05:23] it randomly does not work [05:24] and i cannot get it to load a burned cd unless i use the miniiso on my sd card grrrr [05:27] oh ffs [05:27] it wants me to reinstall it all [05:27] screw that [05:27] its floppy disk time [05:28] ERRR [05:28] ... it figures this is the one computer without a floppy drive [06:00] grub2 is so lame === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless [06:20] ... it fails to lload [06:20] completely [06:20] i hate this :l [06:38] and it wont mount the cd [06:38] this is just lovely [06:43] are TLER disks (like western digital raid edition, for instance) better suited for use in a softraid mirror than standard desktop-oriented sata disks? [06:48] rcsheets [06:48] Mgamerz [06:48] what do you mean by softward raid vs sata [06:48] like sata in a raid? [06:48] or just standalone [06:49] !enter [06:49] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [06:49] oh, sorry, i didn't realize my question was ambiguously phrased. [06:49] twb [06:49] i have installed ubuntu like 4 times today [06:49] grub is a pos [06:49] let me try again. for use in a softraid raid1 mirror setup, are RAID Edition drives (like WD RE3, etc.) better suited than standard desktop sata disks are? [06:50] rcsheets: softraid doesn't care [06:50] you might, if you need specific MTBF or other criteria to be met [06:50] lifeless: i'm asking only with regard to the disk's firmware giving up faster when it can't quickly perform a requested operation [06:50] i'd just use normal sata [06:51] it'd be cheaper and probably not cost you much time... but thats my opinion [06:51] i'm not sure how it would cost me any time [06:51] so........... [06:51] there you go? [06:51] rcsheets: "raid edition" might simply mean the firmware does different block alignment or such. Write the vendor and ask. [06:52] this is taking ridiculously forever [06:52] twb: i'm sure the vendor will tell me to buy the more expensive disks. the feature i'm referring to is meant to avoid a disk dropping completely out of an array just because it's taking a long time to repeatedly retry an operation. [06:52] grub2 better work or i am going to throw something [06:53] oh... [06:53] hmm O-o [06:53] im not a linux expert [06:53] so... you shouldn't trust me linux softraid [06:53] rcsheets: I wouldn't know about that. [06:54] the theory, as i understand it, being that if the disk is in an array, a failure to (say) read a single sector isn't such a big deal, but if the disk tries for a long time to do that read and the (hardware) raid controller gives up waiting on it, then it will fail the whole disk [06:54] unnecessarily degrading the array [06:54] rcsheets: that might appliy to hardware raid arrays [06:54] i wasn't sure if the same logic applied to softraid as well [06:54] but wouldn't a mirror array just read the other disk? [06:55] frankly, if I have a disk that can't read data it wrote, anywhere on it, I want it to be removed immediately [06:55] +1 [06:55] then you must replace a lot of disks lifeless [06:55] rcsheets: its going to depend on what you're doing with it, there isn't a 'best' answer we can give you. [06:55] Mgamerz: no, MTBF is pretty high [06:55] Mgamerz: usually a batch goes at once though [06:55] ok, fair enough. [06:55] i have a karmic hard drive with 277 bad sectors [06:55] its... disconnected because of that :) [06:56] karmic was a nightmare for me :/ [06:56] lifeless: i'd rather have the disk continue operating in the array, rather than the array being degraded, personally. if i choose to replace the disk, i'll do that at a convenient time. meanwhile, i'd rather it just remap that sector. [06:56] rcsheets: well, as I say, it depends on your needs/config etc [06:57] sure. alright, thanks. [06:57] Sigh. [06:57] so... slow... [06:57] So I'm upgrading my workstation SOE from a 8.04 to 10.04 base. [06:57] i have spent 3 hours getting this pos to work [06:57] Now I get to deal with a whole NEW bag of places where Ubuntu-specifc postinst code assumes it's not a chroot. [06:57] should not have F'ed with it in the first place... [06:58] ! [06:58] is there a way to run a command if im like in rescue mode [06:58] as a user from a machine i have mounted a hard disk on? [06:58] like if i needed to update grub via rescue [07:00] Mgamerz: go talk to #grub and get them to explain how to fix your bootloader. [07:00] Mgamerz: reinstalling over and over won't help, nor will complaining [07:00] it worked last time <_< [07:01] if anyone happens to be interested, there is some discussion of a similar nature to my question here. http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=1144188 [07:03] i hate this installer [07:04] i cannog go to the partitioner to see the disk mounts and then go back to grub without it complaining to do it again. [07:05] eh [07:05] so [07:05] this is one of those rescue mode moments... [07:26] I was gifted an older dual xenon server, and I have been trying to install 10.04 server on it without any success. It won't boot from a known good CD. [07:26] anyone feel like helping me troubleshoot this? [07:27] Won't be able to do a ton, but I presume you've checked BIOS for boot order? [07:28] yeah. I actually just disabled everything but the CD ROM [07:28] and it comes up 'no boot media' or something? [07:28] boot failure, system halted [07:29] hrm, 'system halted' sounds like Linux, not BIOS... [07:29] me either [07:29] mine does that as well. [07:30] if you boot it without the CD in it, does it give the 'boot failure, system halted' message? [07:30] It just spins up and down [07:30] or something different? [07:30] lemme try [07:30] That will narrow it down to BIOS or CD. Might be the CD doesn't like some piece of hardware its seeing :-D [07:31] I have tried like 4 cd's [07:31] i think my drive is just dying. [07:31] the cd status light blinks on and off when the server first boots, but nothing after the intel screen [07:32] same deal [07:32] yep thats post blinking it [07:32] holmser_, ok so then we know it is booting, but at least its reading the CD [07:32] Q: isn't that just post? [07:32] Mgamerz, have a spare drive you can rob from another box, even temporarily? [07:32] eh [07:32] yeah, its just post. [07:32] well im using mini.iso [07:33] and loading the iso from flash from there. [07:33] Mgamerz, 'system halted' is something I know Linux uses...usually its 'BOOT MEDIA FAILURE insert disk' or something [07:33] except grub neverworks it seems... [07:33] I know its looking for a network boot, but I don't know how to do one [07:33] just hangs the system [07:33] Hrm. [07:33] can your box support usb boot? [07:34] i booted from an SD card [07:34] 128MB :P [07:34] Any other OS CDs either of you have laying around to test, make sure its making it past BIOS? (Don't need one you'll install, just to get up to a loading screen to confirm its disk and not hardware) [07:34] well mine will spin up and down and up and down for like 4 mins [07:34] then it will give up [07:34] I am positive the CD is good. I just installed on a different server not 2 hours ago [07:35] it reads it when mini iso mounts is... well used to, now it doesnt. i think its just dying [07:35] Mgamerz, since you're booting funny I don't know on yours, never tried that method. (I like the idea, but the config always looks like a PITA) [07:36] holmser_, ok so is the CD aborting/kernel panic'ing, or is the hardware having issues? That's what the second CD will help test. [07:36] it never checks the [07:36] CD [07:36] it checks it on post, then nothing [07:37] it doesn't even try to boot from the CD [07:38] So it IS hardware then. Any idea if CD drive is IDE or SATA, and if you have a similar drive to try s wapping in? [07:38] not to jump in on a thread [07:38] but [07:38] which kernel is best to pick? [07:38] generic server virtual image-gen... [07:38] I just run with defaults, I don't do too much messing around. *shrugs* [07:38] then the linux-image-#######-generic [07:38] Mgamerz: probably generic for your purposes [07:38] :S [07:39] K [07:39] include all drivers [07:39] yes... alright thanks [07:39] but yeah unless you're doing something weird or have limited hardware I'd just do generic [07:40] is a pos considered limited [07:40] well for server you don't need much. [07:40] as a base system, anyway [07:40] how much RAM? (Usually the limiting factor) [07:40] 768 [07:40] -32 shared [07:41] that should be plenty, unless you're using it as a huge VM host. [07:41] lol vm [07:41] yeah right [07:41] for a dumb console server you should be able to drop that shared to 8MB [07:41] if no GUI [07:41] if possible, probably via BIOS [07:41] i want to record tv with this... [07:41] at least try [07:42] well that doesn't require a GUI [07:42] it doesn't? [07:42] not generally [07:42] with a tv tuner ? [07:42] can be remotely controlled, IIRC [07:42] i had tightvncserver going for a while [07:42] Unless it'll use your (likely onboard) GPU for processing, no. [07:43] yep geforce 6100 [07:43] tightvnc to the host console, or a virtual one? [07:43] virtual X display [07:43] so i could config a few things from gui [07:43] other than that X never ran [07:43] mediatomb pisses me off tho... [07:44] it's database dies randomly [07:44]