| === SC|Away is now known as ShroudedCloud | ||
| sjokkis | currently, empathy's unity icon only shakes if there's an incoming message in an existing conversation, and not if there is a pending message. why was this behaviour chosen? | 03:26 |
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| sjokkis | edit: pending messages in unacknowledged channels | 03:27 |
| thorwil | ah, thanks vish for clearing up that theme topic! | 08:16 |
| vish | thorwil: seriously a waste of time :/ | 08:16 |
| vish | thorwil: hehe , i had a huger rant about OMG , but kept it above the belt ;p | 08:17 |
| thorwil | vish: i guess with OMG in the title, you set certain expectations and have to try to meat them somehow ^^ | 08:18 |
| vish | thorwil: hmm , i cant seem to find the link for the mailing list etiquette , [no top posting one] , any idea? | 08:41 |
| thorwil | vish: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists | 08:43 |
| vish | thorwil: neat thanks | 08:46 |
| thorwil | vish: this one goes to some length in explaining it all: http://idallen.com/topposting.html | 08:46 |
| vish | even better ;) | 08:47 |
| thorwil | vish: yes and no, as the first is ubuntu-official ;) | 08:47 |
| vish | thorwil: yeah , well gonna send both :) | 08:48 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| sjokkis | njpatel: the empathy icon in unity only vibrates when incoming messages are part of an existing conversation. is that by design? | 13:10 |
| sjokkis | njpatel: in other words, it doesn't notify of new incoming conversations | 13:10 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| njpatel | sjokkis, not by design, could you please file a bug at lauchpad.net/unity | 14:17 |
| sjokkis | njpatel: sure. if you point me to the right part of the code, i can look into fixing it, as well | 14:21 |
| === \vish is now known as vish | ||
| njpatel | sjokkis, well, depending on exactly what's happening, it's either a bug in bamf (launchpad.net/bamf, which gives us the list of open applications and properties about them) or unity | 14:35 |
| sjokkis | njpatel: ah, i figured unity had a built in telepathy observer | 14:36 |
| njpatel | sjokkis, I think the indicator-me might be doing something like that, but no, the launcher goes by the window of the application setting the urgent-hint | 14:37 |
| sjokkis | njpatel: indicator-me does that, yes | 14:39 |
| sjokkis | njpatel: how do you feel about moving towards launching empathy (or whatever other client the user prefers) on demand, and handling automatic login etc in unity itself? | 14:40 |
| sjokkis | njpatel: the empathy team has also expressed interest in doing things that way, in general | 14:41 |
| sjokkis | njpatel: if we have a people place, it would make sense to be able to control IM status from there | 14:42 |
| sjokkis | njpatel: and instead of an empathy icon in the sidebar, we could have a widget to replace itt | 14:42 |
| njpatel | sjokkis, I'm not sure, we rely on indicator-me to provide the presence bits | 14:44 |
| njpatel | sjokkis, however it's interesting, would be interesting to here mpt's or djsiegel1's thoughts | 14:45 |
| sjokkis | indicator-me could be made to do this, sure | 14:46 |
| sjokkis | i don't think it does currently | 14:46 |
| sjokkis | even if indicator-me controls presence, we could do it from our people place as well | 14:46 |
| sjokkis | both would just be sending requests to telepathy's mission-control daemon | 14:46 |
| sjokkis | mpt, djsiegel1: any opinions on the above? | 14:49 |
| mpt | sjokkis, sorry, we're in a meeting right now | 14:49 |
| sjokkis | mpt: no problem. ping me when you've got a moment | 15:00 |
| mpt | sjokkis, what you described is actually how it's supposed to work, it's just not implemented yet. See the test cases in <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu#Instant%20messaging%20statuses> | 15:15 |
| mpt | Great minds think alike? :-) | 15:17 |
| sjokkis | mpt: what i'd like to see is the ability in indicator-me to set your presence without empathy running | 15:29 |
| sjokkis | mpt: it seems to depend on empathy (specifically) being run as well, and not just any client | 15:29 |
| sjokkis | mpt: i think that's actually very bad | 15:29 |
| sjokkis | tedg: around? | 15:31 |
| jcastro | I think he's on a call right now | 15:31 |
| sjokkis | that's ok. i'm in no hurry | 15:31 |
| jcastro | mpt: may I add that me menu item to that list I'm putting together? | 15:32 |
| mpt | jcastro, sure | 15:34 |
| sjokkis | jcastro: got a link to that list? | 15:35 |
| jcastro | sjokkis: not yet, it's an email | 15:35 |
| jcastro | sjokkis: basically all the unfinished bits | 15:35 |
| sjokkis | yeah, that's why i wanted to see it ;) | 15:35 |
| jcastro | * Length-sensitive duration for Notify OSD bubbles. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#duration> | 15:35 |
| jcastro | * Experimental positioning for Notify OSD bubbles. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#position> | 15:35 |
| jcastro | * The ability to remove Evolution from the messaging menu. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu#Evolution> | 15:35 |
| jcastro | * The ability to remove Gwibber from the messaging menu. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu#Gwibber> (needs updating) | 15:36 |
| jcastro | * Notification area porting, once we have a high-priority list. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationAreaTransition/CompatibilityFixes> | 15:36 |
| sjokkis | jcastro: apparantly i have to be a team member to join the mailing list | 15:37 |
| sjokkis | can anyone join? | 15:38 |
| jcastro | I believe so | 15:38 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|away | ||
| sjokkis | mpt: you didn't really touch upon what i proposed re: the empathy icon in the sidebar, btw | 17:11 |
| sjokkis | it could be made into a more general "telepathy widget" rather than just a simple empathy icon | 17:11 |
| mpt | sjokkis, sorry, I don't know what you mean by the sidebar | 17:15 |
| sjokkis | mpt: http://static.arstechnica.com/assets/2010/05/shell-desktop-1-thumb-640xauto-13892.png | 17:16 |
| sjokkis | mpt: i mean the bar on the side of the screen. the sidebar. | 17:17 |
| sjokkis | mpt: the dock, if you prefer | 17:19 |
| sjokkis | mpt? | 17:37 |
| === bratsche is now known as br-away | ||
| nigelb | vish: LOL @ maverick-round-8-potpourri | 18:11 |
| vish | :D | 18:12 |
| hyperair | O_o? | 18:12 |
| * hyperair smelt potpourri | 18:12 | |
| nigelb | hyperair: milestone for papercuts | 18:12 |
| hyperair | ah | 18:12 |
| hyperair | hehe | 18:12 |
| qense | vish: You've taken the lead in the Paper Cuts project now? Or are you just doing the hard work on instruction of someone else? | 18:15 |
| vish | qense: i'm jcastro of papercuts ;p | 18:16 |
| jcastro | hah | 18:17 |
| qense | vish: Woot! That sounds like good news for the next release and bad news for the paper cuts as they will be gone in no time! | 18:17 |
| jcastro | vish: I'll have a response to your mail after lunch! | 18:17 |
| vish | cool! | 18:17 |
| qense | jcastro: Were you aware of the small discussion we had about the GTK+/AppInd bug with gnome-bt? Ted said he would work on the AppInd side of the fix on Bug Fix Friday. | 18:18 |
| jcastro | qense: that would be great, iirc that bug was affecting something else | 18:37 |
| jcastro | qense: thanks for tracking that down! | 18:37 |
| qense | jcastro: That was Sebastien, really. I'm just bringing it to your attention. :) | 18:38 |
| jcastro | well thanks for that then, heh | 18:38 |
| qense | jcastro: How're things going with AppInd? Still a lot of work to do? | 18:39 |
| jcastro | some wrap up things really | 18:39 |
| qense | Still considering to hire a contractor? | 18:39 |
| jcastro | I am hoping to get a contractor | 18:39 |
| jcastro | I should know more about that in about a week | 18:40 |
| qense | ok | 18:40 |
| === MacSlow|away is now known as MacSlow | ||
| tedg | ! | 20:36 |
| C10uD | wow, did he just say "spirit of ubuntu"? | 21:14 |
| C10uD | noone's watching the south africa ceremony i guess lol | 21:14 |
| === br-away is now known as bratsche | ||
| ShroudedCloud | C10uD, Ubuntu was a word/concept before it was an OS. | 22:27 |
| C10uD | i'd say "orly" | 22:27 |
| mpt | sjokkis, oh, you meant the launcher? | 23:44 |
| mpt | sjokkis, I have no opinion on how or when that should wiggle, I'm not familiar enough with it. | 23:44 |
| sjokkis | mpt: i'm talking about more than just that | 23:45 |
| sjokkis | mpt: i'm talking about expanding the launcher into a widget, that can do a lot more than just open empathy | 23:46 |
| sjokkis | mpt: and if you have no opinion, who am i supposed to talk to about this? | 23:46 |
| mpt | sjokkis, as far as I'm concerned, one of the reasons for the me menu to exist is to reduce the number of launchers you need | 23:47 |
| mpt | same with the sound menu and the messaging menu | 23:48 |
| mpt | But djsiegel is in charge of design for the launcher. | 23:48 |
| sjokkis | mpt: is there an overall vision for how messaging should be handled in unity? | 23:50 |
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