[03:26] <sjokkis> currently, empathy's unity icon only shakes if there's an incoming message in an existing conversation, and not if there is a pending message. why was this behaviour chosen?
[03:27] <sjokkis> edit: pending messages in unacknowledged channels
[08:16] <thorwil> ah, thanks vish for clearing up that theme topic!
[08:16] <vish> thorwil: seriously a waste of time :/
[08:17] <vish> thorwil: hehe , i had a huger rant about OMG , but kept it above the belt ;p
[08:18] <thorwil> vish: i guess with OMG in the title, you set certain expectations and have to try to meat them somehow ^^
[08:41] <vish> thorwil: hmm , i cant seem to find the link for the mailing list etiquette , [no top posting one] , any idea?
[08:43] <thorwil> vish: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists
[08:46] <vish> thorwil: neat thanks
[08:46] <thorwil> vish: this one goes to some length in explaining it all: http://idallen.com/topposting.html
[08:47] <vish> even better ;)
[08:47] <thorwil> vish: yes and no, as the first is ubuntu-official ;)
[08:48] <vish> thorwil: yeah , well gonna send both :)
[13:10] <sjokkis> njpatel: the empathy icon in unity only vibrates when incoming messages are part of an existing conversation. is that by design?
[13:10] <sjokkis> njpatel: in other words, it doesn't notify of new incoming conversations
[14:17] <njpatel> sjokkis, not by design, could you please file a bug at lauchpad.net/unity
[14:21] <sjokkis> njpatel: sure. if you point me to the right part of the code, i can look into fixing it, as well
[14:35] <njpatel> sjokkis, well, depending on exactly what's happening, it's either a bug in bamf (launchpad.net/bamf, which gives us the list of open applications and properties about them) or unity
[14:36] <sjokkis> njpatel: ah, i figured unity had a built in telepathy observer
[14:37] <njpatel> sjokkis, I think the indicator-me might be doing something like that, but no, the launcher goes by the window of the application setting the urgent-hint 
[14:39] <sjokkis> njpatel: indicator-me does that, yes
[14:40] <sjokkis> njpatel: how do you feel about moving towards launching empathy (or whatever other client the user prefers) on demand, and handling automatic login etc in unity itself?
[14:41] <sjokkis> njpatel: the empathy team has also expressed interest in doing things that way, in general
[14:42] <sjokkis> njpatel: if we have a people place, it would make sense to be able to control IM status from there
[14:42] <sjokkis> njpatel: and instead of an empathy icon in the sidebar, we could have a widget to replace itt
[14:44] <njpatel> sjokkis, I'm not sure, we rely on indicator-me to provide the presence bits
[14:45] <njpatel> sjokkis, however it's interesting, would be interesting to here mpt's or djsiegel1's thoughts
[14:46] <sjokkis> indicator-me could be made to do this, sure
[14:46] <sjokkis> i don't think it does currently
[14:46] <sjokkis> even if indicator-me controls presence, we could do it from our people place as well
[14:46] <sjokkis> both would just be sending requests to telepathy's mission-control daemon
[14:49] <sjokkis> mpt, djsiegel1: any opinions on the above?
[14:49] <mpt> sjokkis, sorry, we're in a meeting right now
[15:00] <sjokkis> mpt: no problem. ping me when you've got a moment
[15:15] <mpt> sjokkis, what you described is actually how it's supposed to work, it's just not implemented yet. See the test cases in <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu#Instant%20messaging%20statuses>
[15:17] <mpt> Great minds think alike? :-)
[15:29] <sjokkis> mpt: what i'd like to see is the ability in indicator-me to set your presence without empathy running
[15:29] <sjokkis> mpt: it seems to depend on empathy (specifically) being run as well, and not just any client
[15:29] <sjokkis> mpt: i think that's actually very bad
[15:31] <sjokkis> tedg: around?
[15:31] <jcastro> I think he's on a call right now
[15:31] <sjokkis> that's ok. i'm in no hurry
[15:32] <jcastro> mpt: may I add that me menu item to that list I'm putting together?
[15:34] <mpt> jcastro, sure
[15:35] <sjokkis> jcastro: got a link to that list?
[15:35] <jcastro> sjokkis: not yet, it's an email
[15:35] <jcastro> sjokkis: basically all the unfinished bits
[15:35] <sjokkis> yeah, that's why i wanted to see it ;)
[15:35] <jcastro> *   Length-sensitive duration for Notify OSD bubbles.   <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#duration>
[15:35] <jcastro> *   Experimental positioning for Notify OSD bubbles.   <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#position>
[15:35] <jcastro> *   The ability to remove Evolution from the messaging menu.  <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu#Evolution>
[15:36] <jcastro> *   The ability to remove Gwibber from the messaging menu. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu#Gwibber> (needs updating)
[15:36] <jcastro> *   Notification area porting, once we have a high-priority list. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationAreaTransition/CompatibilityFixes>
[15:37] <sjokkis> jcastro: apparantly i have to be a team member to join the mailing list
[15:38] <sjokkis> can anyone join?
[15:38] <jcastro> I believe so
[17:11] <sjokkis> mpt: you didn't really touch upon what i proposed re: the empathy icon in the sidebar, btw
[17:11] <sjokkis> it could be made into a more general "telepathy widget" rather than just a simple empathy icon
[17:15] <mpt> sjokkis, sorry, I don't know what you mean by the sidebar
[17:16] <sjokkis> mpt: http://static.arstechnica.com/assets/2010/05/shell-desktop-1-thumb-640xauto-13892.png
[17:17] <sjokkis> mpt: i mean the bar on the side of the screen. the sidebar.
[17:19] <sjokkis> mpt: the dock, if you prefer
[17:37] <sjokkis> mpt?
[18:11] <nigelb> vish: LOL @ maverick-round-8-potpourri
[18:12] <vish> :D
[18:12] <hyperair> O_o?
[18:12]  * hyperair smelt potpourri
[18:12] <nigelb> hyperair: milestone for papercuts
[18:12] <hyperair> ah
[18:12] <hyperair> hehe
[18:15] <qense> vish: You've taken the lead in the Paper Cuts project now? Or are you just doing the hard work on instruction of someone else?
[18:16] <vish> qense: i'm jcastro of papercuts ;p
[18:17] <jcastro> hah
[18:17] <qense> vish: Woot! That sounds like good news for the next release and bad news for the paper cuts as they will be gone in no time!
[18:17] <jcastro> vish: I'll have a response to your mail after lunch!
[18:17] <vish> cool!
[18:18] <qense> jcastro: Were you aware of the small discussion we had about the GTK+/AppInd bug with gnome-bt? Ted said he would work on the AppInd side of the fix on Bug Fix Friday.
[18:37] <jcastro> qense: that would be great, iirc that bug was affecting something else
[18:37] <jcastro> qense: thanks for tracking that down!
[18:38] <qense> jcastro: That was Sebastien, really. I'm just bringing it to your attention. :)
[18:38] <jcastro> well thanks for that then, heh
[18:39] <qense> jcastro: How're things going with AppInd? Still a lot of work to do?
[18:39] <jcastro> some wrap up things really
[18:39] <qense> Still considering to hire a contractor?
[18:39] <jcastro> I am hoping to get a contractor
[18:40] <jcastro> I should know more about that in about a week
[18:40] <qense> ok
[20:36] <tedg> !
[21:14] <C10uD> wow, did he just say "spirit of ubuntu"?
[21:14] <C10uD> noone's watching the south africa ceremony i guess lol
[22:27] <ShroudedCloud> C10uD, Ubuntu was a word/concept before it was an OS.
[22:27] <C10uD> i'd say "orly"
[23:44] <mpt> sjokkis, oh, you meant the launcher?
[23:44] <mpt> sjokkis, I have no opinion on how or when that should wiggle, I'm not familiar enough with it.
[23:45] <sjokkis> mpt: i'm talking about more than just that
[23:46] <sjokkis> mpt: i'm talking about expanding the launcher into a widget, that can do a lot more than just open empathy
[23:46] <sjokkis> mpt: and if you have no opinion, who am i supposed to talk to about this?
[23:47] <mpt> sjokkis, as far as I'm concerned, one of the reasons for the me menu to exist is to reduce the number of launchers you need
[23:48] <mpt> same with the sound menu and the messaging menu
[23:48] <mpt> But djsiegel is in charge of design for the launcher.
[23:50] <sjokkis> mpt: is there an overall vision for how messaging should be handled in unity?