=== SC|Away is now known as ShroudedCloud [03:26] currently, empathy's unity icon only shakes if there's an incoming message in an existing conversation, and not if there is a pending message. why was this behaviour chosen? [03:27] edit: pending messages in unacknowledged channels [08:16] ah, thanks vish for clearing up that theme topic! [08:16] thorwil: seriously a waste of time :/ [08:17] thorwil: hehe , i had a huger rant about OMG , but kept it above the belt ;p [08:18] vish: i guess with OMG in the title, you set certain expectations and have to try to meat them somehow ^^ [08:41] thorwil: hmm , i cant seem to find the link for the mailing list etiquette , [no top posting one] , any idea? [08:43] vish: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists [08:46] thorwil: neat thanks [08:46] vish: this one goes to some length in explaining it all: http://idallen.com/topposting.html [08:47] even better ;) [08:47] vish: yes and no, as the first is ubuntu-official ;) [08:48] thorwil: yeah , well gonna send both :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:10] njpatel: the empathy icon in unity only vibrates when incoming messages are part of an existing conversation. is that by design? [13:10] njpatel: in other words, it doesn't notify of new incoming conversations === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:17] sjokkis, not by design, could you please file a bug at lauchpad.net/unity [14:21] njpatel: sure. if you point me to the right part of the code, i can look into fixing it, as well === \vish is now known as vish [14:35] sjokkis, well, depending on exactly what's happening, it's either a bug in bamf (launchpad.net/bamf, which gives us the list of open applications and properties about them) or unity [14:36] njpatel: ah, i figured unity had a built in telepathy observer [14:37] sjokkis, I think the indicator-me might be doing something like that, but no, the launcher goes by the window of the application setting the urgent-hint [14:39] njpatel: indicator-me does that, yes [14:40] njpatel: how do you feel about moving towards launching empathy (or whatever other client the user prefers) on demand, and handling automatic login etc in unity itself? [14:41] njpatel: the empathy team has also expressed interest in doing things that way, in general [14:42] njpatel: if we have a people place, it would make sense to be able to control IM status from there [14:42] njpatel: and instead of an empathy icon in the sidebar, we could have a widget to replace itt [14:44] sjokkis, I'm not sure, we rely on indicator-me to provide the presence bits [14:45] sjokkis, however it's interesting, would be interesting to here mpt's or djsiegel1's thoughts [14:46] indicator-me could be made to do this, sure [14:46] i don't think it does currently [14:46] even if indicator-me controls presence, we could do it from our people place as well [14:46] both would just be sending requests to telepathy's mission-control daemon [14:49] mpt, djsiegel1: any opinions on the above? [14:49] sjokkis, sorry, we're in a meeting right now [15:00] mpt: no problem. ping me when you've got a moment [15:15] sjokkis, what you described is actually how it's supposed to work, it's just not implemented yet. See the test cases in [15:17] Great minds think alike? :-) [15:29] mpt: what i'd like to see is the ability in indicator-me to set your presence without empathy running [15:29] mpt: it seems to depend on empathy (specifically) being run as well, and not just any client [15:29] mpt: i think that's actually very bad [15:31] tedg: around? [15:31] I think he's on a call right now [15:31] that's ok. i'm in no hurry [15:32] mpt: may I add that me menu item to that list I'm putting together? [15:34] jcastro, sure [15:35] jcastro: got a link to that list? [15:35] sjokkis: not yet, it's an email [15:35] sjokkis: basically all the unfinished bits [15:35] yeah, that's why i wanted to see it ;) [15:35] * Length-sensitive duration for Notify OSD bubbles. [15:35] * Experimental positioning for Notify OSD bubbles. [15:35] * The ability to remove Evolution from the messaging menu. [15:36] * The ability to remove Gwibber from the messaging menu. (needs updating) [15:36] * Notification area porting, once we have a high-priority list. [15:37] jcastro: apparantly i have to be a team member to join the mailing list [15:38] can anyone join? [15:38] I believe so === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|away [17:11] mpt: you didn't really touch upon what i proposed re: the empathy icon in the sidebar, btw [17:11] it could be made into a more general "telepathy widget" rather than just a simple empathy icon [17:15] sjokkis, sorry, I don't know what you mean by the sidebar [17:16] mpt: http://static.arstechnica.com/assets/2010/05/shell-desktop-1-thumb-640xauto-13892.png [17:17] mpt: i mean the bar on the side of the screen. the sidebar. [17:19] mpt: the dock, if you prefer [17:37] mpt? === bratsche is now known as br-away [18:11] vish: LOL @ maverick-round-8-potpourri [18:12] :D [18:12] O_o? [18:12] * hyperair smelt potpourri [18:12] hyperair: milestone for papercuts [18:12] ah [18:12] hehe [18:15] vish: You've taken the lead in the Paper Cuts project now? Or are you just doing the hard work on instruction of someone else? [18:16] qense: i'm jcastro of papercuts ;p [18:17] hah [18:17] vish: Woot! That sounds like good news for the next release and bad news for the paper cuts as they will be gone in no time! [18:17] vish: I'll have a response to your mail after lunch! [18:17] cool! [18:18] jcastro: Were you aware of the small discussion we had about the GTK+/AppInd bug with gnome-bt? Ted said he would work on the AppInd side of the fix on Bug Fix Friday. [18:37] qense: that would be great, iirc that bug was affecting something else [18:37] qense: thanks for tracking that down! [18:38] jcastro: That was Sebastien, really. I'm just bringing it to your attention. :) [18:38] well thanks for that then, heh [18:39] jcastro: How're things going with AppInd? Still a lot of work to do? [18:39] some wrap up things really [18:39] Still considering to hire a contractor? [18:39] I am hoping to get a contractor [18:40] I should know more about that in about a week [18:40] ok === MacSlow|away is now known as MacSlow [20:36] ! [21:14] wow, did he just say "spirit of ubuntu"? [21:14] noone's watching the south africa ceremony i guess lol === br-away is now known as bratsche [22:27] C10uD, Ubuntu was a word/concept before it was an OS. [22:27] i'd say "orly" [23:44] sjokkis, oh, you meant the launcher? [23:44] sjokkis, I have no opinion on how or when that should wiggle, I'm not familiar enough with it. [23:45] mpt: i'm talking about more than just that [23:46] mpt: i'm talking about expanding the launcher into a widget, that can do a lot more than just open empathy [23:46] mpt: and if you have no opinion, who am i supposed to talk to about this? [23:47] sjokkis, as far as I'm concerned, one of the reasons for the me menu to exist is to reduce the number of launchers you need [23:48] same with the sound menu and the messaging menu [23:48] But djsiegel is in charge of design for the launcher. [23:50] mpt: is there an overall vision for how messaging should be handled in unity?