[17:00] <Ursinha> #startmeeting
[17:00] <Ursinha> Welcome to this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating the resolution of specific Launchpad bugs and issues.
[17:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:00. The chair is Ursinha.
[17:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:00] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] Roll Call
[17:00] <Ursinha> Not on the Launchpad Dev team? Welcome! Come "me" with the rest of us!
[17:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll Call
[17:00] <gmb> me
[17:00] <gary_poster> me
[17:00] <Ursinha> me
[17:00] <matsubara> me
[17:01] <Ursinha> Chex, sinzui, rockstar, hello
[17:01]  * rockstar  
[17:01] <bigjools> me
[17:01] <Ursinha> Chex and sinzui are missing
[17:01] <Chex> me
[17:02] <Ursinha> :)
[17:02] <Ursinha> only sinzui
[17:02] <Ursinha> let's move on, try to break rockstar's last week record
[17:02] <Ursinha> :)
[17:02] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] Agenda
[17:02] <Ursinha>  * Actions from last meeting
[17:02] <Ursinha>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[17:02] <Ursinha>  * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[17:02] <Ursinha>  * DBA report (stub)
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda
[17:02] <Ursinha>  * QA stats of the week
[17:02] <Ursinha>  * Proposed items
[17:02] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Actions from last meeting
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Actions from last meeting
[17:02] <Ursinha> None
[17:02] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[17:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[17:02] <Ursinha> only one bug, soyuz
[17:03] <Ursinha> bigjools must love me
[17:03] <Ursinha> bigjools, I see the last noodles' comment in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/580181, do you know if that's being tracked and fixed in another bug or one needs to be filed?
[17:03] <bigjools> it's in progress
[17:03] <bigjools> Ursinha: it needs a new bug
[17:03] <Ursinha> bigjools, so soyuz has two, this one and the critical
[17:03] <bigjools> heh
[17:03] <Ursinha> bigjools, I'll file one right after this meeting
[17:03] <sinzui> me
[17:03] <bigjools> cheers
[17:04] <Ursinha> bigjools, bug 589073 is in progress?
[17:04] <Ursinha> is it really critical?
[17:04] <bigjools> Ursinha: yes, jelmer should have set that in progress ;)
[17:04] <bigjools> I don't think it is actually, I'll downgrade it
[17:04] <Ursinha> thanks bigjools
[17:05] <Ursinha> we have two critical bugs, one soyuz, one foundations, both being worked on then
[17:05] <Ursinha> failing scripts are retry-depwait, that's being fixed by bigjools, and karma-update, allocate-revision-karma and others that, according to spm's email, are failing because nightly.sh is taking about 36 hours to run
[17:05] <Ursinha> Is anyone taking care of this?
[17:05] <bigjools> retrydepwait is fixed and released
[17:06] <Ursinha> bigjools, right, cool
[17:06] <Ursinha> last failure was yesterday
[17:06] <Ursinha> gary_poster, about nightly.sh, is that foundations' domain?
[17:06] <sinzui> Ursinha, I think nightly.sh is/was a victim of the master/slave issue
[17:07] <Ursinha> sinzui, right
[17:07] <Ursinha> sinzui, it failed yesterday again
[17:07] <sinzui> nightly.sh has no owner. The losas do a lot of tinkering with it and they do not think they should
[17:07] <gary_poster> nominally foundations then I suppose
[17:07] <gary_poster> :-/
[17:08] <sinzui> Since it takes 36 hours to run, we would expect it to fail even after the db was fixed
[17:08] <rockstar> It's a good thing that days are longer than 36 hours so that it can actually run nightly...
[17:08] <sinzui> Another failure to run on time would be worrisome and will warrant further investigation
[17:09] <gary_poster> agreed
[17:09] <Ursinha> yeah, right
[17:09] <gary_poster> And I certainly have not regarded nightly.sh as a foundations responsibility.  I guess that needs to change.  Ursinha, please do help me kick myself about this :-)
[17:09] <gary_poster> but for now I think we can move on
[17:09] <Ursinha> gary_poster, sure
[17:10] <Ursinha> :)
[17:10] <Ursinha> good
[17:10] <matsubara> I don't think nightly.sh should be exclusively foundations
[17:10] <sinzui> gary_poster, rockstar, other than the karma-cache update, I think everything in nightly can be parallelised.
[17:10] <matsubara> I think the losas are pretty good at identifying which scripts run by nightly.sh are the worst offenders and then the responsible team should take care of that script
[17:10] <sinzui> the scripts in it belong to code, bugs, translations, and registry
[17:11] <matsubara> taking the last run for example, package cache and bugtask target names are the worst offenders
[17:11] <gary_poster> matsubara: no, but if no-one is in charge of something, historically that means foundations.  I'd certainly like it if losas could take that ownership though
[17:11] <sinzui> and soyuz then
[17:11] <matsubara> so malone and soyuz(?) should take care of those first
[17:12] <sinzui> Most failures are spurious.
[17:12] <Ursinha> matsubara, sinzui, gary_poster, what do you think about discussing that in the email spm sent? this way we can be sure everyone else can join the discussion
[17:12] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[17:12] <sinzui> The 9 times out of 10, the last proc ran late because of something else run in the sequence
[17:13] <Ursinha> ok, so I'll move on
[17:13] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[17:13] <Chex> hello everyone, short report this week:
[17:13] <Chex>  - LP incidents of note, quiet week:
[17:13] <Chex>         : Jun 08: lpnet15 died, restarted
[17:13] <Chex>         : Jun 10 : poppy on germanium had died (process died) - restarted
[17:14] <Chex> Us LOSAs are now searching on Canonical-losas -tagged bugs, here:
[17:14] <Chex> https://pastebin.canonical.com/33309/
[17:14] <Chex> I am curious about status of: 45419      Launchpad needs a way of easily flagging spam
[17:14] <Chex> In the future I will try to bring up critical LP related bugs from this list, to see progress and such, and see if you need any help from us at all.
[17:14] <Ursinha> bug 45419?
[17:15] <Ursinha> gary_poster should know that ^
[17:15] <gary_poster> Foundations does not have that anywhere in our plans ATM.
[17:15] <Ursinha> right..
[17:15] <Chex> gary_poster: ok, fair enough, then
[17:16] <Ursinha> anyone else has questions to Chex?
[17:16] <gary_poster> Chex, that doesn't mean you can't/shouldn't make a stink about that fact :-)
[17:16] <sinzui> If this is a foundations issue, we schema a behavioural changes made near/on IMessage so that all types of messages get the desired feature
[17:16] <Chex> gary_poster: aha, ok then.  It is a time-consuming task for us, and having a automated spam-reporting/tagging feature would be highly useful to us
[17:17] <Ursinha> ok, moving on
[17:17] <Ursinha> thanks Chex
[17:17] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * DBA report (stub)
[17:17] <Ursinha> Already requested
[17:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  * DBA report (stub)
[17:17] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * QA stats of the week
[17:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  * QA stats of the week
[17:17] <Ursinha> I followed up the bugs' ownership in the mailing list
[17:18] <gary_poster> Chex: spam-reporting: mars and sinzui have the expertise here.  I'll try to coordinate with them.
[17:18] <sinzui> I had a plan
[17:18] <rockstar> sinzui, it's because you're a Cylon.
[17:18] <sinzui> a comprehensive one infact
[17:18] <gmb> Was it a cunning plan?
[17:19] <sinzui> That would explain why I can do so long without sleep
[17:19] <matsubara> heheh
[17:19] <sinzui> It had a tail like a fox
[17:19]  * gary_poster chuckles
[17:19] <gmb> Any more pop-culture references we can fit in here?
[17:19] <Ursinha> hahaha
[17:19] <sinzui> We seem to have missed monthy python
[17:19] <sinzui> Monty Python
[17:20] <sinzui> I will include that in my email to gary_poster and maris
[17:20] <Ursinha> thanks sinzui hehe
[17:20] <gary_poster> thanks sinzui
[17:20] <Ursinha> moving on again then
[17:20] <Ursinha> [TOPIC] * Proposed items
[17:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Proposed items
[17:20] <Ursinha> I have one
[17:21] <Ursinha> we know that this meeting's format isn't ideal, and we couldn't find a way to change it to become really useful
[17:21] <Ursinha> we also realized the qa contacts initiative isn't that effective as we thought in the beginning
[17:21] <rockstar> Ursinha, for the code team, the only things that are really useful for us are the DB and LOSA reports.
[17:21] <Ursinha> rockstar, yeah, I'm getting there :)
[17:22] <rockstar> "Shutting up sir"
[17:22] <Ursinha> haha no
[17:22] <Ursinha> so, after talking with flacoste, we decided to get rid of this meeting as we know
[17:22] <sinzui> I care about the oopses actually. Since I read them every day I like to know when they will be closed or provide info about how to close them
[17:22] <Ursinha> pause for cheering and etc
[17:22] <rockstar> Ursinha, so we're doing away with it entirely?
[17:23] <Ursinha> rockstar, yeah
[17:23] <bigjools> *golfclap*
[17:23] <Ursinha> sinzui, as a replacement, there will be created a section in the TLs meeting, a QA one
[17:23] <Ursinha> and me and matsubara should attend
[17:23] <Ursinha> we'll keep discussing that with the TLs, so sinzui, you'll still know about the oopses
[17:23] <sinzui> sweet. I wonder if the meeting will go back over an hour again
[17:24] <Ursinha> and bigjools, you won't get rid of us
[17:24] <Ursinha> *evil laugh*
[17:24] <Ursinha> :P
[17:24] <gary_poster> :-)
[17:24] <bigjools> :)
[17:24] <Ursinha> about the LOSAs and DBA report
[17:24] <Ursinha> a weekly report should be sent to the list, so we'll all keep posted about it
[17:24] <Ursinha> so, that's it
[17:25] <Chex> ok, sounds good, I can do that.
[17:25] <rockstar> Ursinha, maybe we can have a [QA] subject addition for QA related items.
[17:25] <Ursinha> thanks a lot Chex, losa's reports are really important
[17:25] <rockstar> (I suspect I'll still have to deal with QA stuff within my team)
[17:26] <Ursinha> rockstar, well, it should be dealt with whoever attends the TLs meeting in behalf of code
[17:26] <Chex> Ursinha: yes I understand that, it helps us, too. I will try to pop my head in on the TLS meetings, too,
[17:26] <Ursinha> is that you?
[17:26] <rockstar> Ursinha, no.
[17:26] <Ursinha> rockstar, so I guess you will only have to worry about your own QA from now on
[17:26] <rockstar> Ursinha, okay.
[17:27] <Ursinha> that's all then
[17:27] <Ursinha> anyone else wants to add something?
[17:28] <Ursinha> okay
[17:28] <Ursinha> so, it was very nice to have you for these two years in this weekly meeting
[17:28] <Ursinha> thanks all
[17:28] <gary_poster> thank you Ursinha :-)
[17:28] <Ursinha> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. See https://dev.launchpad.net/MeetingAgenda for the logs.
[17:28] <gary_poster> bye
[17:28] <Ursinha> #endmeeting
[17:28] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:28.
[17:45] <Ursinha> sinzui, I thought the irc meeting was postponed in one hour to avoid conflicting with the TLs call
[17:46] <sinzui> Ursinha, oh yes, it was. We changed the meeting format a short while ago to avoid the extra meeting on Thursday
[17:46] <Ursinha> sinzui, oh, I see