[00:18] <BUGabundo> WTH
[00:18] <BUGabundo> opening FF 3.6 restarted metacity/compiz??
[00:23] <h00k> So, using Unity, I had to manually turn netbook-launcher off on my session, but it's pretty slick.
[00:26] <h00k> it's pretty responsive, anyway.
[00:27] <arand> BUGabundo: Heh, is that the old a buried mm bug cropping up again?
[00:27] <BUGabundo> never saw it
[00:37] <duffydack> does the netbook iso install with unity or the old menu
[00:39] <BUGabundo> old
[00:39] <BUGabundo> you need the PPA for it
[00:39] <BUGabundo> and I need to restest it too
[00:40] <duffydack> i thought if it was default in 10.10 (?) it would be in already..
[00:46] <arand> BUGabundo: Bug #584287 was the one back then...
[00:46] <arand> BUGabundo: [Fix Released,High]
[00:46] <BUGabundo> but I'm in compiz :S
[00:47] <arand> Wouldn't surprise me if it's CSD again :/
[00:47] <BUGabundo> :(
[00:47] <BUGabundo> I'm tired of all this mambo jambo
[00:47] <BUGabundo> but I can't run stable either :(
[00:47] <arand> No?
[00:48] <BUGabundo> I hate stable, no fun, no cutting edge stuff
[00:49] <arand> Heh, true, but I'm waiting for btrfs until I do my metal-install of MM...
[00:50] <Volkodav> Is it available in the installer though ?
[00:50] <arand> Dunno, planned to test that, brb...
[00:56] <arand> Nope, no btrfs in the current alternate installer at least, which i assume means it by no way has made it into ubiquity /me is a sad panda
[00:58] <DrHalan> okay seems like kernel and x packages are broken atm?
[01:01] <h00k> DrHalan: X is in a state of \o/ kinda/sorta
[01:01] <arand> DrHalan: Held back, it's the great coming of the 1.8 afaik
[01:01] <DrHalan> yeah guessed so
[01:01] <rww> h00k: mhm, I had fun with that yesterday
[01:01] <rww> dependency hell \o/
[01:02] <h00k> DrHalan: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2010-June/011587.html
[01:02] <h00k> rww: yay!
[01:02] <h00k> I have 18 xserver packages being held atm
[01:02] <DrHalan> does teh new kernel package work for you guys? i get some errors on configureing
[01:03] <rww> h00k: I have three or four (plus a bunch of unrelated KDE stuff), 'cause I remove the input and video ones I don't need
[01:03] <h00k> rww: I didn't :) I'm just going to let it do it's thing
[01:03] <DrHalan> hook, thanks. Target X for maveric is 1.9 right? so there will be another upgrade
[01:04] <h00k> DrHalan: I think so, yes
[01:04] <h00k> DrHalan: You can join ubuntu-devel-discuss to get warnings and stuff, too
[01:04] <h00k> and it's free!
[01:04] <DrHalan> lol
[01:04] <DrHalan> maybe i should. you can never have enough mailinglists
[01:17] <IdleOne> h00k: 31 xserver packages being held back. I win :P
[01:19] <h00k> IdleOne: :( pffffffffffff
[01:23] <BUGabundo> no
[01:23] <BUGabundo> i win
[01:23] <BUGabundo> my X just froze
[01:23] <BUGabundo> took it 30 sec to respond to REISUB
[01:24] <BUGabundo> and from recovery, I fsck, updated files, and rebooted to new kernel
[01:24] <BUGabundo> h00k: I confirm gwibber works :)
[01:25] <h00k> BUGabundo: cool
[01:50] <BUGabundo> nite
[02:18] <cozziemoto> what is the best way to update from lucid to maverick?
[02:32] <arand> cozziemoto: Take relevant backups, make sure you have non-LTS upgrdes enabled, "do-release-upgrade -d", EXPECT it to break. With all the xorg flux atm it might be worthwhile waiting until it's settled..
[07:14] <jetienne> !info nodejs
[07:14] <jetienne> excelent
[07:17] <jetienne> !info gcc
[08:23] <lazaro> when I click on about gnome it says I have lucid  whe n I really have maverick installed
[08:23] <lazaro> sorry, I ment to say , when I click on about ubuntu
[08:26] <vega> and..?
[08:27] <vega> it's not even alpha, don't expect every little detail to be up to date
[08:28] <lazaro> I'm just reporting
[08:47] <nperry> is xserver stil held back
[08:52] <histo> Anyone here play desktop defender on facebook?  Its not loading for me for somereason right now.  Stops after loading creeps
[08:52] <histo> Just wondering if someone can confirm
[09:31] <LIONLIX> hi guys
[09:32] <LIONLIX> once i upgrade to alpha1 the ati driver gone and cant install any xserver-xorg packages ???!!!
[09:47] <vega> !!!
[11:27] <Ian_corne> Score is -3737
[11:28] <Ian_corne> meh :p
[11:28] <Ian_corne> noty
[11:28] <jpds> Nice.
[11:29] <Ian_corne> partly kde's fault
[11:29] <Ian_corne> and I only use kile :(
[11:29] <Ian_corne> used*
[12:45] <dholbach> Packaging Training Session in 15m in #ubuntu-classroom: Operation Cleansweep and the Patch Reviewers Team!
[13:38] <vish> !ping
[15:28] <dupondje> bleh :) still waiting for xorg updates
[15:30] <arand> aptitude removed from -standard? Excuse me while I rage for an hour or two :/
[17:10] <epaulin> aptitude removed from standard due to the disk space? what's the replacer?
[17:10] <MaximLevitsky> was 2.6.35 uploaded to maveric yet?
[17:11] <epaulin> even this is not affecting me, it made me sad.
[17:14] <ZykoticK9> MaximLevitsky, i'm currently using 2.6.35-2-generic from default Ubuntu repo
[17:14] <MaximLevitsky> ZykoticK9: thanks!
[17:46] <coz_> anyone have a decent sources.list for maverick?
[17:52] <arand> coz_: Yea, hang on.
[17:53] <coz_> arand,  cool
[17:55] <arand> coz_: http://pastebin.com/e7ywe2mt using UK local mirrors, but it should be easily changeable in software sources once you've put it in sources.list (But do make a backup of your current one first of course before you replace with mine).
[17:56] <coz_> arand,  thanks   will play with this one  :)
[17:56] <arand> coz_: You are going to use it on mverick I hope?
[17:57] <coz_> arand,  yeah  unless I want to be real stupid  :)
[17:57] <arand> Just making sure you're aware ;)
[17:57] <coz_> arand,  i could try it on warty warthog to see what happens lol
[17:58] <arand> I'd like to see that :)
[17:59] <coz_> arand,  I still have all the install disks  here from day one... I should install them and relish in the  progress :)
[17:59]  * nperry would very much like to play with xserver 1.8
[17:59] <coz_> i dont think I could handle going back to warty though :)
[18:00] <arand> hrm, I get a headache just by hardy..
[18:02] <coz_> :)
[18:06] <knittl> there are a lot of xserver-xorg-* packages kept back
[18:06] <knittl> safe to full-upgrade?
[18:06] <knittl> hm no, want's to remove nvidia … :D
[18:11] <knittl> * wants
[18:15] <nperry> Hmmm mine only wants to remove xserver-xorg-video-all :/
[18:36] <coz_> nperry,  I did  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade with no issues here
[18:38] <coz_> nperry,  of course that doesnt mean much :)
[18:42] <ZykoticK9> Is anyone experiencing problems connecting to Facebook-chat with Empathy?  It is working on my Lucid box(s) but Maverick shows "Network error" in red on GUI.  Running "empathy" from CLI doesn't provide any output.
[18:53] <BUGabundo> evening
[18:57] <dupondje> hellow :
[18:57] <dupondje> :)
[19:02] <nperry> Evening  :)
[19:04] <BUGabundo> hey nperry
[19:57] <sebsebseb> Hi
[20:11] <BUGabundo> wow
[20:11] <BUGabundo> that's a FAIL
[20:12] <BUGabundo> laptop complains of low power
[20:12] <BUGabundo> I plug it in
[20:12] <BUGabundo> complains of critical
[20:12] <BUGabundo> I noticed its not pluged to the socket
[20:12] <BUGabundo> plug it in, and it still goes to standby after I press cancel in the popup
[20:16] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: can you pastebin your zsync script please
[20:17] <gnomefreak> i lost it when my flash drive broke so i picked up another one and want to back that up
[20:17] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: $ pastebinit zsyncu http://paste.ubuntu.com/447909/
[20:17] <BUGabundo> I need to merge it with the old script
[20:17] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thanks
[20:17] <BUGabundo> to make it bash complaint
[20:18] <Ian_corne> BUGabundo: I think that's because you maybe waited to long to click cancel?
[20:18] <Ian_corne> just save your system
[20:18] <BUGabundo> right now is just a copy paste helper
[20:18] <gnomefreak> its not in bash?
[20:18] <BUGabundo> nope
[20:18] <BUGabundo> not that version
[20:18] <gnomefreak> ah
[20:18] <BUGabundo> Ian_corne: it was already charning, according to the power led
[20:18] <BUGabundo> should NEVER have gone into stanby
[20:19] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: you dont have one for the alternate installer?
[20:19] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: shouldn't be to hard for a guy like you :)
[20:19] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: usually no. just livecd and dvd (which has both)
[20:19] <BUGabundo> but just sed one of them
[20:19] <gnomefreak> its not i hope should be cpy+pst change daily-live to alt.
[20:24] <gnomefreak> not like it matters there is no daily image
[20:25] <gnomefreak> alternate again
[20:32] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: yes there is. for all of them, right now
[20:32] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: the alternate daily page has none, its been on and off since A1
[20:33] <BUGabundo> really?
[20:33]  * BUGabundo checks
[20:33] <BUGabundo> empty http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[20:33] <timboy> with maverick can I have two mouse cursors yet?
[20:33] <BUGabundo> at least http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ its there
[20:34] <BUGabundo> timboy: good question
[20:34] <BUGabundo> let me know if you find out
[20:34] <BUGabundo> try asking #ubuntu-x
[20:34] <BUGabundo> or ping bjsnider or Sarvatt
[20:35] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: live has been there it never had this issue (during maverick) but alts seem problematic
[20:35] <BUGabundo> live wasn't there the day I made the script :)
[20:36] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: out of the pat 2 week alt has been up maybe 3-4 days and 2 of tose was a 704mb build
[20:37]  * gnomefreak brb smoke
[20:47] <dupondje> somebody knows a script to built daily kernel ?
[20:50] <BUGabundo> do you guys know http://code.google.com/p/mail-trends/ ?
[21:03] <fqh> Hi all, I found that command "hdparm -B 128 /dev/sda"  depend on gnome-power-manager. If gnome-power-manager is not running, "hdparm -B 128 /dev/sda" will not take effect. So if I close X and live only in pure-tty, I can't set 128 for /dev/sda. Is it a bug?
[21:08] <fqh> I think hdparm should get rid of gnome-power-manager, why hdparm can't work without gnome-power-manager ? It's strange and not convenient.
[21:12] <BUGabundo> can anyone test mocp for me?
[21:12] <BUGabundo> seems its broken
[21:12] <BUGabundo> :(
[21:15] <gnomefreak> fqh: for that i would file a bug, but i get the feeling it _has_ to depend on it.
[21:15] <psusi> hdparm has nothing to do with g-p-m... it talks directly to the drive
[21:16] <fqh> Yes, I think so too. But running "sudo hdparm -B 128 /dev/sda" under icewm or pure-tty , it can't take effect.  "sudo hdparm -B  /dev/sda" shows that the setting will return to 254 soon.
[21:16] <psusi> fhq: you mean hdparm -B /dev/sda shows 128, then if you repeat it a few times, it goes back to 254?
[21:17] <psusi> fhq: you must have something else running that is calling hdparm then, like laptp-mode-tools?
[21:17] <fqh> psusi: yes,
[21:17] <gnomefreak> not should what i was thinking about. libc6 is only dep of hdparm
[21:18] <fqh> psusi: How to find if I running laptp-mode-tools?
[21:18] <psusi> fqh: see if you installed the package?
[21:20] <fqh> psusi: No, laptop-mode-tools is not installed, but pm-utils-powersave-policy is installed.
[21:23] <dupondje> compiling own kernel atm
[21:23] <dupondje> damn the current one has a dirty bug :(
[21:23] <BUGabundo> bahhhh
[21:24] <BUGabundo> bitten again by exaile :(
[21:26] <psusi> fqh: that could be it
[21:30] <fqh> psusi: Does pm-utils-powersave-policy push setting back to 254? Can we let it not do such thing?
[21:31] <psusi> fqh: not sure, but quite likely
[21:33] <dupondje> BUGabundo: there is gwibber update out :p
[21:33] <BUGabundo> there is?
[21:33] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 2.31.1~bzr743-0ubuntu1~daily1
[21:33] <BUGabundo> looks the same to me
[21:33] <dupondje> Haal:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main gwibber 2.30.0.1-0ubuntu4 [320kB]
[21:33] <dupondje> ah your using the real edge :P
[21:33] <BUGabundo> yep
[21:33] <BUGabundo> always
[21:35] <dupondje> lets hope we can upgrade xorg soon :)
[21:37] <BUGabundo> WOOT
[21:37] <BUGabundo> kmail works fine again
[22:21] <dupondje> root      4811  3.2  0.0      0     0 ?        S    23:12   0:17 [flush-9:0]
[22:21] <dupondje> what kind of process is this ?
[22:21] <BUGabundo> kernel
[22:21] <BUGabundo> writing to disk
[22:22] <dupondje> hm k :)
[22:29] <DrHalan> is gnome-power-manager broken?
[22:31] <dupondje> there they are
[22:31] <dupondje> the xorg packages :P
[22:31] <DrHalan> really?
[22:31] <dupondje> y
[22:32] <DrHalan> does teh new xorg finaly not create a dependency hell?
[22:33] <BUGabundo> yes
[22:33] <BUGabundo> don't force upgrades of X for a few days
[22:33] <dupondje> didn't force
[22:33] <dupondje> dependencies are ok now
[22:33] <BUGabundo> then wait
[22:33] <BUGabundo> nvidia is broken for now
[22:38] <dupondje> Ok upgraded xorg packages
[22:38] <dupondje> working smooth :)
[22:41] <gnomefreak> they showed up in changes list but it still wants to remove 2 needed packages
[22:42] <dupondje> gnomefreak: aptitude update
[22:42] <dupondje> didn't need to remove anything here
[22:42] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: nvidia has been broken at least for me. im on upstream drivers
[22:42] <BUGabundo> wfm
[22:42] <gnomefreak> once i get this garbage cleaned up i will test it
[22:43] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: misee bug 591001 about flash upgrade
[22:44] <gnomefreak> its been pushed it seems
[22:45] <BUGabundo> I _think_ I'm using upstream .so
[22:45] <BUGabundo> I have a feed monitoring for page changes
[22:47] <gnomefreak> ok sasved you headaches
[22:49] <gnomefreak> 3.1RC2 has been released
[22:52] <gnomefreak> oops
[22:52] <dupondje> bleh, want to play a wmv, and it fails :s
[22:53] <gnomefreak> dupondje: aptitude isnt updateing it
[22:53] <dupondje> gnomefreak: updating xorg ?
[22:53] <gnomefreak> dupondje: its not
[22:54] <gnomefreak> but i think i know what will :)
[22:55] <gnomefreak> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 39 not upgraded.  using safe-upgrade
[22:57] <dupondje> weird
[22:57] <dupondje> it updated here :s
[22:57] <BUGabundo> dupondje: yeah I had that, but bjsnider helped me work around it
[22:57] <BUGabundo> you need to install one package
[22:57] <BUGabundo> lib something 49
[22:58] <gnomefreak> even smart wants to remove 2 nvidia and the 2 X packages
[22:58] <BUGabundo> libavutil49
[22:58] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: for X?
[22:58] <BUGabundo> for codecs
[22:58] <gnomefreak> that is a player lib?
[22:58] <gnomefreak> yeah
[22:58] <gnomefreak> they updatedf that a while ago
[22:58] <BUGabundo> its a mess in there
[22:59] <gnomefreak> there is also a 51 IIRC
[22:59] <BUGabundo> seems many players weren't rebuilt to use the new dep
[22:59] <gnomefreak> or 52
[22:59] <BUGabundo> not here
[22:59] <BUGabundo> !info libavutil51
[22:59] <gnomefreak> libavutil50  was replacve with
[23:00] <gnomefreak> libavutil50 - ffmpeg utility library
[23:00] <gnomefreak> sorry replaced something
[23:01]  * BUGabundo starts totem in debug to see why music stops
[23:01]  * dupondje is going to bed
[23:01] <dupondje> nite :)
[23:02] <BUGabundo> nite
[23:50] <Daekdroom> What? Aptitude no longer ships with standard?
[23:51] <BUGabundo> WHAT?
[23:51] <BUGabundo> really?
[23:51] <Daekdroom> BUGabundo, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/maverick-changes/2010-June/001202.html
[23:52] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache rdepends aptitude
[23:52] <BUGabundo> its not in desktop ?!
[23:55] <yofel_> it was in standard
[23:55] <yofel_> they removed aptitude and tasksel from there though for some reason
[23:56] <yofel> linux for human beings doesn't think of sysadmins as human beings I guess
[23:56] <Daekdroom> yofel, I read from a blog it was so they could free 13-14MB from the CD.
[23:56] <jcastro> I guess that depends on the kind of sysadmins you hang out with
[23:57] <yofel> jcastro: true
[23:57] <yofel> Daekdroom: ah, might make sense, I'm still going to miss it though
[23:57] <patdk-wk> sysadmins aren't human
[23:57] <Daekdroom> Why not fully replace apt-get with aptitude? o.o
[23:58] <IdleOne> h00k: Now at 36 xserver packages held back :)
[23:59] <IdleOne> further along we get the more packages are held back
[23:59] <BUGabundo> Daekdroom: most docs use apt-get and not aptitude
[23:59] <Daekdroom> well, indeed..