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pleia2dinda: that reminds me, I'm meeting up with some folks from partimus.org this weekend, they've deployed Ubuntu is something like 6 public schools in the bay area (wow!)00:02
dindapleia2: that's great!  I just set up a new dimdim account to use to hold some teacher training  sessions this summer00:03
pleia2dinda: oh neat00:05
doctormoGotta find out how they did that pleia200:33
pleia2doctormo: that's part of what I'm looking in to, they haven't done a great job of documenting things so I'll be documenting, getting some best practices and helping them with publicity and recruitment (plus pitching in sysadmin skills and on-site work as I can)00:35
pleia2partimus.org is kinda sparse info-wise, the project is vibrant but they're all too busy doing amazing things to tell anyone :)00:35
doctormopleia2: Typical really :-D00:37
* pleia2 nods00:37
JFoanyone know where the list of bugs filed against the erroneous ubuntu package live? I want to gather some kernel bugs out of there00:38
JFoI've been told there are tons00:38
nigelbdoctormo: poke03:58
doctormonigelb: facebook poke03:59
nigelbdoctormo: can you take a class at ubuntu user day?03:59
doctormowhat would you have me teach?03:59
nigelbI topic is right up your alley, "Getting involved in the Ubuntu Community", with focus to new users03:59
nigelbso its like how to get in touch with the community resources that you can use03:59
nigelband how to be one of them04:00
nigelbdoctormo: sounds like something you want to do for 1 hour on July 10th?04:00
pleia2at 16:00 or 21:00 UTC04:01
doctormonigelb: I'm a programmer and artist,04:01
nigelbdoctormo: you're also a loco contact04:01
* nigelb begs04:02
pleia2no need to be, I'm sure there are others who would be happy to do it :)04:02
nigelbwell, it is doctormo :)04:02
pleia2hehe04:03
doctormolol04:03
nigelbdoctormo: so whats your final call, yes or no?04:04
doctormonigelb: I'll do it, although the topic is rather generic, do you have a page written by the last guy who did it?04:05
pleia2doctormo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays/01232010/GettingInvolved04:05
doctormothanks pleia204:26
doctormonigelb: OK I've put in a whole bunch of alarms04:29
doctormoso I don't forget04:29
nigelbdoctormo: Thanks for helping out :)04:29
doctormonigelb: Will collect in beer at next UDS ;-P04:30
pleia2doctormo: what time is best for you? (currently we have the class at 16:00 UTC, but 21:00 is possible too04:30
nigelbdoctormo: sure :D04:30
jcastronigelb: blog post done!04:30
doctormoThe time is set already04:30
nigelbjcastro: yay, thank you!04:30
nigelbjcastro: hows tumblr so far?04:31
jcastroI like it04:31
jcastromuch simpler than wordpress04:31
jcastroit's basically just a text box04:31
nigelbI might move to something simpler04:32
doctormopleia2: ping04:51
pleia2doctormo: hey04:51
doctormopleia2: Did I ever show you this kick ass systems admin image I did _ages_ ago: http://imagebin.ca/view/RwzVAd.html04:51
doctormoI found it digging up images for paultag04:51
pleia2doctormo: haha, that's great!04:52
doctormopleia2: I'll take that as a no :-D04:52
pleia2yeah, never saw it :)04:53
doctormoThe shading is very incomplete and I feel red faced about the quality, but it still looks bad-ass to me.04:53
AlanBelldoctormo: that is full of awesome. Inkscape?06:38
doctormoAlanBell: yes06:38
nigelbabuwhat? where?06:38
AlanBelllink 10 lines above this nigelbabu06:39
nigelbabugah, not in the nigelb session06:39
AlanBellhttp://imagebin.ca/view/RwzVAd.html06:40
AlanBelllooks a bit like Sarah Palin, but more intelligent06:44
doctormoAlanBell: If sarah had taken up engeneering instead of shooting?06:48
nigelbabupopey: heya, next UUD is around the corner.  Do you want to try doing a session this time around?07:18
dholbachgood morning07:53
dpmmorning all08:10
czajkowskialoha folks08:10
dpmhey czajkowski08:10
czajkowskidpm: moring hows things?08:11
dholbachhey dpm, hey czajkowski08:13
dpmthings are good, happy to see it has cooled down here. We had really warm days lately, really too warm. How about you?08:13
dpmmorgen dholbach!08:13
dholbach22°C, millions of things to do, still one talk to prepare for Saturday :)08:14
dpm:)08:14
dpmwell, that's already 66% of the talks prepared already!08:15
dholbach:)08:15
czajkowskidpm: we have rain, care to swap ;p08:16
dpmhmmm, actually I'm fine. I would have swapped a week ago, though :)08:17
czajkowskismart :)08:19
dpm:)08:19
czajkowskidholbach: is your to do list getting any smaller?08:19
dholbachczajkowski: not really :)08:20
dholbachbut at least there's a bunch of stuff where I still have all the cycle to do them :)08:20
czajkowskinot so bad so08:20
nigelbabuheya dpm,  czajkowski08:22
nigelbabumorning!08:22
dpmmorning nigelbabu :)08:23
dholbachara: I thought you were on the road already! :)08:36
aradholbach, this afternoon :-)08:37
dholbachahhhhh, gotcha08:37
dholbachara: I was talking to a friend yesterday who made Berlin → Gibraltar in three days, but they did quite a bit of night-driving :)08:37
aradholbach, we prefer 4 and sleeping a bit :D08:38
dholbachI totally see what you mean :)08:38
dholbachI'm working from home today and it's getting hot in this room already, then rhythmbox decided to pick "thank god it's christmas" - slightly weird08:40
czajkowskihah that is weird08:42
czajkowskihttp://www.h-online.com/open/features/Why-open-source-developers-should-thank-Apple-1018783.html pretty good article08:45
popey\o/ christmas!09:16
* popey hangs out the decorations09:16
* dholbach hugs popey09:17
* czajkowski gaffa tapes popey up- NO 09:17
jussichristmas in july... awesome :D09:19
dholbachthat's like living in Australia09:19
dholbach;-)09:19
jussiyup09:19
* jussi is still hunting for perl coders if someone has some skills...09:20
jussioh crap, Im late. see you all.09:20
dholbachhola randa_09:41
randa_hey dholbach, how are you09:43
dholbachgood good - how 'bout you? :)09:43
nigelbabujussi: I suggest blogging on planet.  Last time I got stuck with code, got help that way11:35
jussinigelbabu: good point, I shall do that. Im looking for people to help freenode, and thereby the IRCC, with the new group management system.11:36
jussisome of the features we are after: http://paste.ubuntu.com/443808/11:36
nigelbabujussi: I know.  I tried to help, but i know too little about irc protocol11:38
nigelbabupopey: poke, re: uud11:39
jussinigelbabu: thanks for trying in any case11:39
nigelbabujussi: I might try again for helping with design later on11:40
nigelbabuprobably after m cycle is over and patch review stuff is mostly done11:40
jussinigelbabu: Im hoping we get some stuff done this cycle11:41
nigelbabujussi: Also, ask uupc to broadcast the call for help ;)11:41
jussiuupc?11:41
nigelbabuubuntu uk podcast11:43
nigelbabuI'm sure a fair number of people listen to it, someone's got to be a perl coder11:43
nigelbabujussi: Meanwhile, try bribing elly :D11:44
jussilol11:44
jussiyeah, Ill try that also11:44
jussi:D11:44
popeynigelbabu: you know the email address :)11:45
popeynigelbabu: we get about 6000 downloads between each episode11:46
popeydunno how many listen :)11:46
jussipopey: you are part of uupc right?11:46
popeyyes11:46
nigelbabupopey: I already mailed! This is for jussi :)11:47
popeyyeah, i know11:47
jussipopey: whats the proceedure if I want to get the word out about the gms coding?11:47
popeyhence the smiley11:47
nigelbabupopey: the uud poke was whether you'd want to take a class11:47
popeyjussi: email the show, podcast@ubuntu-uk.org11:47
jussipopey: ok, will do. thanks :)11:47
nigelbabupopey: when is next episode?11:48
popeytwo weeks today11:48
nigelbabupopey: ok, I'll send you folks more mails ;)11:48
popeynot sure about uud11:48
popeywhen is it?11:48
nigelbabuJuly 10th11:49
nigelbabu(the weekend before my birthday :D)11:49
nigelbabuInteresting read about apple and how they've benefited open source http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Why-open-source-developers-should-thank-Apple-1018783.html11:51
jussinigelbabu: lol czajkowski posted that already12:00
Pendulumspeaking of czajkowski, she did a nice interview on Ubuntu for an Irish tech podcast :)12:01
nigelbabujussi: she's fast ;)12:03
JanCthe part about Apple bringing more freedom about what applications to install on mobile phones is actually backwards in Belgium though; in the past you could install whatever you wanted on phones that supported installing apps, Apple (and probably blackberry?) were the first to restrict what you can install on their phone...12:05
JanCit's forbidden to lock a phone to only work with one carrier here, so carriers couldn't really control anything--unfortunately that law got relaxed under pressure from... Apple12:08
jussi:(12:08
JanCthe iPhone looked less attractive when people see the real price of it, I guess  ;)12:09
nigelbabuI'm happy with a cellphone that makes calls and send messages12:18
nigelbabuthats all I want with a phone and it caters to it well12:18
czajkowskiPendulum: oi :p12:34
Pendulumczajkowski: people keep ignoring me when I mention it. You're the only one who notices :P12:38
czajkowskiPendulum: highligh name12:39
PendulumI know12:39
Pendulumbut I meant more that it's not doing any harm since no one has asked for a link yet :P12:39
czajkowski:)12:40
AlanBelllink please12:40
PendulumAlanBell: http://www.pcliveradio.ie/ubuntu-and-more/12:42
Pendulumnow czajkowski can smack me when she sees me next12:43
* AlanBell listens12:46
AlanBellstarts 6:30 in12:50
AlanBellit is very good12:54
AlanBellexcellent in fact12:59
popeyjcastro, someone has suggested to me that the latest UUPC needs subtitles :)13:02
popey(a brit, obviously)13:02
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dholbachok my friends - I call it a day - see you tomorrow!16:26
nigelbpopey: I feel all uupc's need subtitles except the last one.  I just abuot make out the british accents16:36
czajkowskiI've not listened to this new episode, whos accent is the issue?16:37
nigelbjorge and jfo :D16:37
nigelbprobaly jfo's southern accent is difficult for british to understand16:38
popeypffft16:38
popeywe dont have accents16:38
popeyit's all you lot that do :)16:38
nigelbhaha16:39
czajkowskiheh16:39
czajkowskiso true16:39
JFo:)16:42
greg-goh JFo did you find out where to get the bugs that weren't reported against a package?16:46
JFogreg-g, nope :)16:46
nigelbczajkowski: I can make out what you say better than the uupc folks, only some of the words/phrases/sentences don't make sense to me16:46
JFogreg-g, but I'd love to16:47
greg-gJFo: http://ur1.ca/06jj816:47
greg-gfrom https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase16:47
czajkowskinigelb: :)16:47
JFothanks much greg-g :)16:48
greg-gJFo: is that what you were looking for?16:48
JFoI believe so16:48
greg-gawesome, glad I could help16:48
JFome too :)16:49
jussioooh, nice article from cory doctorow: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/06/10/ubuntu-lucid-lynx-fe.html18:26
bencrisfordjussi: :D18:47
jcastrohah18:52
jcastrocheck out the comments18:52
jcastro"How in the hell did you get your multifunction mouse working? X doesn't support any more than the standard buttons"18:52
doctormojcastro: heh, since I'm using a mouse with 5 buttons that also doubles as a tablet and it works without any mods....18:57
qenseIf hardware works good on Linux, and it does that more and more these days, it works splendidly awesome, often better than on other OSes I won't name.18:58
nigelbjcastro: that comment was sane, not random attack or anything ;)18:58
nigelbqense: heya18:58
nigelbqense: are you interested in taking a class for ubuntu user days on July 10th?18:59
qensenigelb: That is the first Saturday of my summer holiday!19:00
qenseI think I'll have some time that day.19:01
qensenigelb: What do you want me to teach?19:01
nigelbqense: yay \o/19:01
nigelbqense: "Package Management Basics"19:01
qenseaargh19:01
doctormonigelb: lol19:01
nigelblol, its about installing packages for newbies to ubuntu, not packaging19:01
qensephew19:01
qenseI now the basics of the basics of packaging, so I'm not suitable for teaching packaging.19:02
qenseknow19:02
nigelblike, trusted sources, ppas, and random debs that you find lying around (not to trust them), etc19:02
nigelbqense: here's what we have now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/lucid19:02
nigelbcan you pick a time you like, going early is fine I think, if 0300 is too late :D19:02
qense3:00 GMT? That would be 5:00 my time19:03
qenseWhat is the session "Trusted Software, Where to find it, and why" about?19:03
qensenigelb: I'm in CEST, which is UTC+219:04
nigelbqense: arg, hold on.  lemme find what package management basics is about19:04
nigelbqense: this is what its all about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays/01232010/PackageManagementBasics19:05
doctormoqense, nigelb: not sure if this will be useful: http://doctormo.org/2009/08/06/systems-administration-package-management/19:05
* nigelb hugs doctormo 19:06
doctormonigelb: This is why we wanted to write course material :-P19:07
nigelbqense: does 10 am UTC soud ok?19:07
jcastrooh no19:08
jcastrojono's on a plane19:08
jcastroyou guys know what that means, expect inbox fury19:08
nigelbhaha19:09
qensenigelb: That is doable. :)19:10
nigelbqense: yay!19:10
qenseGlad I can help.19:11
jonojcastro, lol19:12
qenseInternet on a plane? Are you spending Canonical's valuable money on not-dirt-cheap air carrier?19:13
nigelbjcastro: lesson 1 at talking behind your boss' back, make sure he's not around :D19:13
qenseor don't ping him19:13
qenseor don't talk about him in PUBLICLY LOGGED CHANNELS19:14
jonoqense, Delta19:14
jonohah, my team are pretty up front with how they read me, which is awesome19:14
qenseThat doesn't sound hideously expensive, but not too Toepolev as well.19:14
jonogotta manage your manager19:14
qenseSometimes you just have to be tough to your manager, otherwise he will never learn to listen to you.19:14
* nigelb googles that word with T19:15
jonoqense, *cough* https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperStackTour *cough*19:15
jcastrohah, told you guys!19:16
nigelbjono: thanks for sending bobbo our way19:16
nigelbthis one week as been *awesome*19:16
jcastroyes indeed, I can't believe he did all that in a week19:16
qensejono: I know! But suddenly I discovered what huge todo-lists procrastination gives you now school is ending and several essays wait to be written and a test week is coming near. But that's no excuse for being late, I'm working on it!19:16
jononigelb, no worries, thanks need to go to bobbo though :)19:17
nigelbjono: it will go there once he stops spamming the planet :D19:17
qenseand there was this school trip to a sunny island19:17
jonoqense, no worries, it didn't take me long to write mine - about 20mins max19:17
qensejono: What is your deadline?19:17
jononigelb, hehe19:17
qenseThe date you actually start getting mad at me?19:18
jonoqense, well I wanted it completed last week - but could you complete by the end of tomorrow?19:18
nigelbseriously though, I'll write it on a weekly report that we plan to write every monday19:18
jononigelb, sweet!19:18
qenseTjono: that should be possible. Sorry for making you miss the other deadline.19:18
jonolets see if we can get some more work experience folks :)19:18
jonoqense, no worries! dude, you are a volunteer, its cool :)19:18
qenseok! :)19:18
nigelbjono, jcastro : If you've not seen http://bobbo.me.uk/index.php/planet-ubuntu/operation-cleansweep-day-four-update, please see and add counter to blogs :)19:18
jcastroqense: can you get me a pony too?19:18
jonoI just wanted to put a very small version of me on shoulder that whispers in your ear19:18
jononigelb, yeah, that is awesome19:19
jonoI just tweeted it19:19
jonowe need the counter to link to the cleansweep page though19:19
qensejcastro: I could draw you one.19:19
doctormojono: maybe we should make mini-jono a quickly app.19:21
jcastroyes, it could fire off random metal riffs throughout the day19:21
nigelbjono: its already there.  bobbo is awesome ;)19:22
nigelbjcastro: and floods mailboxes :D19:22
qenseI've subscribed to so many source packages and mailing lists that I think I feel a bit of the pain what it's like to be famous and have your mail address out in the public at the same time. So many mails and so many useless ones!19:23
qenseimagine that some people get that many useFULL ones!19:23
jononigelb, the link is there?19:24
jonodoctormo, lol19:24
nigelbjono: the script and a static picture is there :)19:24
jononigelb, but when I click on the widget at http://bobbo.me.uk/index.php/planet-ubuntu/operation-cleansweep-day-four-update it does not link me to the cleansweep getting started page19:29
jonoand the fragment doesnt include a link either19:29
nigelbjono: what link?19:29
jonohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperationCleansweep19:29
jonoideally when someone sees the widget they can click on it and go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperationCleansweep19:30
nigelbjono: ah, I'll poke dholbach about it :)19:30
jonothanks :)19:30
nigelb2619:30
jonoI will blog it today19:30
nigelbgrr, irssi19:30
doctormoI may disapear from irc, my irc client konversation is being revaluated since It was removed in last nights upgrade.19:34
jonodoctormo, np19:35
qensedoctormo: Are you running Maverick or what?19:43
cjohnstonczajkowski: im getting ready to reply to the loco-directory email.. what do you want me to change the title to? ;-)19:47
jonoakgraner, what is the SELF hashtag?19:57
cjohnston#SELinuxfest iirc20:00
akgranerjono, what cjohnston said :-)20:05
PendulumI have the World Cup kick off concert on in the background and the song currently being performed is about Africa and had a line about "the spirit of ubuntu"20:06
jonothanks20:06
akgranerjono, you and pgraner seem to always get the flights with wifi :-P20:06
jonoakgraner, yeah, we are lucky20:07
jono:)20:07
nigelbPendulum: WOW20:08
Pendulumnigelb: well it's not that surprising20:09
jonogreg-g, ping?20:09
greg-gjono: pong20:09
nigelbI can't watch the football at all :/ stupid TZ20:09
cjohnstonI dont ever get a flight with wifi20:09
cjohnstonor if so its a one hour flight and they want 50$20:10
jonogreg-g, did you see http://www.severedfifth.com/2010/06/10/severed-fifth-in-video-soundtracks/ - great example of Creative Commons empowering people20:10
jonomind blogging it?20:10
Pendulumnigelb: there is no fottball in this, just music20:10
greg-gjono: nice! I hadn't20:12
greg-gjono: I'll try to get to that tonight20:12
jonothanks greg-g20:12
nigelbPendulum: ah20:12
jonoI think these kinds of use cases are cool to share20:12
Pendulumnigelb: although now we've got Desmond Tutu wearing a football jersey20:14
nigelbPendulum: hahahaha20:15
jcastronigelb: jono: I think the patch review thing should be a little meter on all of planet20:19
jcastrolike how GNOME did with the fundraising20:19
nigelbjcastro: thats a worthy idea!20:20
nigelbjcastro: can you make it happen? ;))20:20
jonojcastro, agreed20:21
jonolets get it hyperlinked and then could you take care of getting it on there?20:21
nigelb3720:21
nigelbgrr20:21
nigelbjcastro: I can get the hyperlink done and talk to you tomorrow, so you can talk to sysadmins20:22
jonojcastro, perfect, thanks20:22
jcastroI don't know how I'd get it on there, but I can look into it20:23
jcastrothey had a slicker slider that would look better on planet I think20:23
* jcastro goes to look for it20:23
jonocheers20:24
jcastrodo we need to have a discussion with anyone about putting something like that on planet?20:26
jcastrohmm, you know what, nm, I'll JFDI it20:27
tsimpsonjono: about the privacy issue thing, we already do give an entry message when you join #ubuntu and #kubuntu (though we should set one for the other core channels)20:45
tsimpsonfor instance, when you join #ubuntu ChanServ sends you this notice: "[#ubuntu] Welcome to #ubuntu! Please read the channel topic and consider spending some time on the FAQ mentioned there - This channel is officially logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/"20:45
jonotsimpson, lets talk in msg20:47
tsimpsonsure20:47
qensegood night everyone!20:47
jonook folks, about to touch down in Atlanta20:50
jonoback in a bit20:50
jcastrohttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/1187037/planet-ruler.png20:50
jcastroyeah!20:50
jcastrolike that jono ^^^20:50
jonojcastro, I think so20:51
jonolets do it20:51
jonolets have a featured project in there20:51
jonobiab20:51
jcastroyeah, I have to get the code from lucas20:51
czajkowskicjohnston: i will throttle you20:54
Pendulumczajkowski: what'd he do?20:58
czajkowskihe threatened to change a subject thread20:58

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