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| mpt | hi aday | 13:02 |
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| aday | mpt: hey | 13:02 |
| aday | how's it going? | 13:02 |
| mpt | It looks like the Fridge Calendar lost the meeting | 13:02 |
| mpt | hello godbyk-sagan | 13:02 |
| godbyk-sagan | morning | 13:02 |
| thorwil | hi mpt, aday, godbyk-sagan | 13:02 |
| mpt | hi thorwil | 13:03 |
| aday | thorwil: hi | 13:03 |
| mpt | And I spy vish and wers here too | 13:03 |
| wers | oh it's 8 already i didnt notice | 13:03 |
| thorwil | so my first ever Evolution alarm worked out | 13:03 |
| wers | hello everyone | 13:03 |
| thorwil | hi wers | 13:03 |
| wers | hi thorwil :) | 13:03 |
| vish | hey mpt , happy b'day :) | 13:04 |
| mpt | thanks vish | 13:04 |
| aday | oh yeah, happy birthday mpt! :) | 13:04 |
| wers | vish, it really is his birthday? Happy birthday mpt ! :) | 13:04 |
| thorwil | happy birthday, mpt! | 13:04 |
| vish | wers: well , > http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/d0od/~3/nAbzk6XC7dI/how-shy-blueberry-crusher-stumbled-upon.html | 13:05 |
| aday | vish: ha ha | 13:06 |
| aday | lovely! | 13:06 |
| mpt | Soooooo, I don't have anything on the agenda for today | 13:06 |
| mpt | I was hoping ivanka would talk about the heuristic bug tagging, but she's off at LinuxTag | 13:06 |
| mpt | djsiegel is busy writing a post for design.canonical.com about the UX advocates project | 13:07 |
| mpt | That should be up sometime today. | 13:07 |
| mpt | Does anyone else have a project they'd like to propose, or anything they'd like to discuss? | 13:08 |
| wers | if it's okay to raise this, i'd like to talk about Murrine... | 13:08 |
| thorwil | well, i still wonder how to put ayatana on rails (no ruby) | 13:08 |
| wers | there are new stuff lately, but too few people are aware of them and are using them. i asked cimi if there's a theme that showcases that new stuff, but he said there's non. i believe that the gtk+ theme is a big enough part of the whole UX | 13:09 |
| wers | just tell me if it's offtopic :) | 13:10 |
| mpt | wers, do you mean more people should be testing theme changes in Maverick? Or something else? | 13:10 |
| wers | that one too. people aren't utilizing the engine we have | 13:10 |
| wers | i want to see the nice new stuff in Light | 13:11 |
| mpt | wers, so what do you mean by "there's new stuff lately"? | 13:12 |
| wers | There are new engine options that significantly (IMHO) change the look of widgets | 13:12 |
| vish | wers: kwwii is actually supposed to be posting shortly more in detail about the new changes > http://design.canonical.com/2010/05/last-week-in-london-and-brussels/ | 13:13 |
| wers | vish, thanks. will look at it | 13:13 |
| vish | and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Murrine | 13:14 |
| mpt | Once there's a PPA or something to test, we could crank up the publicity machine | 13:15 |
| wers | vish, cool. i hope, it's update though | 13:15 |
| mpt | for testers | 13:15 |
| vish | not up-to-date , but should be updated ;) | 13:15 |
| aday | we could talk about the next version of the hig... | 13:16 |
| mpt | indeed we could | 13:16 |
| wers | aday, what's going on there lately? | 13:16 |
| aday | wers: not much ;) calum's been doing some work reviewing existing material - seeing what can be reused | 13:16 |
| vish | aday: mpt: i ran across an interesting bug , interesting in the sense a user experience > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/587896 | 13:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 587896 in One Hundred Paper Cuts "Can't copy and paste images from website to nautilus" [Low,Incomplete] | 13:17 |
| aday | we'd like to have a substantial portion of the hig done before the big 3.0 | 13:17 |
| vish | the user has been trying to use the option "Copy image" in firefox/chrome and imagining it to work the same way as a "Copy" from nautilus | 13:18 |
| mpt | aday, so I need to stop procrastinating and start writing? :-) | 13:18 |
| aday | mpt: we're having a session at guadec where we're hopefully going to get some writing done, and the documentation team have offered to help out | 13:19 |
| aday | the problem is that most usability types don't have the time or inclination to work on it in their own time | 13:19 |
| aday | mpt: some input would be great! :) | 13:20 |
| mpt | okay | 13:21 |
| aday | mpt: perhaps we could try and recruit some others? once the process is going that could be easier | 13:22 |
| mpt | aday, good idea, but I don't know how we'd do that | 13:23 |
| aday | the problem is that it is quite specialised work | 13:23 |
| thorwil | which tends to be a full time job for few people, if it is meant to happen efficiently | 13:24 |
| mpt | yes, you need to be good at writing *and* at thinking of things that programmers get wrong | 13:24 |
| mpt | Maybe one way to distribute it would be to find people who have done design evaluations of bits of Gnome stuff | 13:25 |
| mpt | And see if their specific points are generalizable. Then they could be written up by someone who's good at writing even if they're not necessarily good at design themselves. | 13:25 |
| mpt | Maybe that's a wacky idea, I don't know | 13:26 |
| wers | how about using other HIGs floating around online as pegs? hmmm | 13:27 |
| thorwil | the big topic for the next version are patterns, right? | 13:27 |
| aday | thorwil: right | 13:27 |
| thorwil | should we dare to bring that to the ayatana ml? | 13:28 |
| mpt | It's worth a try :-) | 13:29 |
| aday | my concern would be the quality of the contributions... but something is better than nothing :) | 13:29 |
| thorwil | mpt: then lets's talk about the best angle of attack | 13:29 |
| mpt | thorwil, maybe ask specifically for people to brainstorm patterns -- e.g. in a pad.ubuntu-uk.org document | 13:29 |
| aday | this is our existing list of patterns: http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/HIG/ThreeZero/LondonHackfestNotes | 13:31 |
| mpt | thorwil, would you like to take care of that? | 13:32 |
| thorwil | http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ui-patterns | 13:32 |
| aday | this could be a good task for those studying usability stuff | 13:32 |
| thorwil | mpt: initial push, yes, at least | 13:32 |
| mpt | ok, thanks | 13:32 |
| mpt | I think this is something godbyk-sagan is interested in, too | 13:33 |
| mpt | particularly the overall structure of the guidelines | 13:33 |
| mpt | Anything else about the HIG? | 13:34 |
| mpt | thorwil, you said something about Ayatana on rails? | 13:34 |
| godbyk-sagan | Yeah, I would love to help out with the HIG, if I can carve out some time to do so. | 13:34 |
| thorwil | mpt: i feel it's still a lot of hot air, not enough structure/guidance | 13:34 |
| mpt | thorwil, you mean the mailing list is? | 13:35 |
| thorwil | yes | 13:35 |
| mpt | That's true | 13:35 |
| thorwil | mpt: apparently there's not even a clear idea of a design/artwork separation | 13:35 |
| mpt | That's maybe not so much of a problem. There'll always be overlap between them. | 13:36 |
| mpt | I think ayatana@ is a bundle of energy that just needs more things to do. :-) | 13:37 |
| thorwil | perhaps. but look at the double-click thing | 13:37 |
| vish | !test | 13:38 |
| ubottu | hrm? | 13:38 |
| aday | got to run, i'm afraid. see you all next week :) | 13:38 |
| godbyk-sagan | See you later, aday. | 13:38 |
| thorwil | just a tiny bit of structuring from my side and we got an overview and mockups and best of all: some consensus. but what is happening now with it? | 13:39 |
| mpt | thorwil, I haven't caught up to that thread, so I don't know | 13:39 |
| mpt | I'll try to go through it today. | 13:40 |
| thorwil | cool | 13:40 |
| mpt | ok, if we have nothing else for this week, I have another meeting to get ready for :-) | 13:43 |
| mpt | thank you all | 13:43 |
| thorwil | cya! | 13:43 |
| godbyk-sagan | See you next week. | 13:44 |
| vish | bye , /me catches up with logs , seems i was disconneted for a bit in the middle ;p | 13:44 |
| wers | see you next week :) | 13:44 |
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