=== bgs100 is now known as bgs000 === lag_ is now known as lag === ziroday` is now known as ziroday === lukjad is now known as tabfail === tabfail is now known as lukjad === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless [13:02] hi aday [13:02] mpt: hey [13:02] how's it going? [13:02] It looks like the Fridge Calendar lost the meeting [13:02] hello godbyk-sagan [13:02] morning [13:02] hi mpt, aday, godbyk-sagan [13:03] hi thorwil [13:03] thorwil: hi [13:03] And I spy vish and wers here too [13:03] oh it's 8 already i didnt notice [13:03] so my first ever Evolution alarm worked out [13:03] hello everyone [13:03] hi wers [13:03] hi thorwil :) [13:04] hey mpt , happy b'day :) [13:04] thanks vish [13:04] oh yeah, happy birthday mpt! :) [13:04] vish, it really is his birthday? Happy birthday mpt ! :) [13:04] happy birthday, mpt! [13:05] wers: well , > http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/d0od/~3/nAbzk6XC7dI/how-shy-blueberry-crusher-stumbled-upon.html [13:06] vish: ha ha [13:06] lovely! [13:06] Soooooo, I don't have anything on the agenda for today [13:06] I was hoping ivanka would talk about the heuristic bug tagging, but she's off at LinuxTag [13:07] djsiegel is busy writing a post for design.canonical.com about the UX advocates project [13:07] That should be up sometime today. [13:08] Does anyone else have a project they'd like to propose, or anything they'd like to discuss? [13:08] if it's okay to raise this, i'd like to talk about Murrine... [13:08] well, i still wonder how to put ayatana on rails (no ruby) [13:09] there are new stuff lately, but too few people are aware of them and are using them. i asked cimi if there's a theme that showcases that new stuff, but he said there's non. i believe that the gtk+ theme is a big enough part of the whole UX [13:10] just tell me if it's offtopic :) [13:10] wers, do you mean more people should be testing theme changes in Maverick? Or something else? [13:10] that one too. people aren't utilizing the engine we have [13:11] i want to see the nice new stuff in Light [13:12] wers, so what do you mean by "there's new stuff lately"? [13:12] There are new engine options that significantly (IMHO) change the look of widgets [13:13] wers: kwwii is actually supposed to be posting shortly more in detail about the new changes > http://design.canonical.com/2010/05/last-week-in-london-and-brussels/ [13:13] vish, thanks. will look at it [13:14] and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Murrine [13:15] Once there's a PPA or something to test, we could crank up the publicity machine [13:15] vish, cool. i hope, it's update though [13:15] for testers [13:15] not up-to-date , but should be updated ;) [13:16] we could talk about the next version of the hig... [13:16] indeed we could [13:16] aday, what's going on there lately? [13:16] wers: not much ;) calum's been doing some work reviewing existing material - seeing what can be reused [13:17] aday: mpt: i ran across an interesting bug , interesting in the sense a user experience > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/587896 [13:17] Launchpad bug 587896 in One Hundred Paper Cuts "Can't copy and paste images from website to nautilus" [Low,Incomplete] [13:17] we'd like to have a substantial portion of the hig done before the big 3.0 [13:18] the user has been trying to use the option "Copy image" in firefox/chrome and imagining it to work the same way as a "Copy" from nautilus [13:18] aday, so I need to stop procrastinating and start writing? :-) [13:19] mpt: we're having a session at guadec where we're hopefully going to get some writing done, and the documentation team have offered to help out [13:19] the problem is that most usability types don't have the time or inclination to work on it in their own time [13:20] mpt: some input would be great! :) [13:21] okay [13:22] mpt: perhaps we could try and recruit some others? once the process is going that could be easier [13:23] aday, good idea, but I don't know how we'd do that [13:23] the problem is that it is quite specialised work [13:24] which tends to be a full time job for few people, if it is meant to happen efficiently [13:24] yes, you need to be good at writing *and* at thinking of things that programmers get wrong [13:25] Maybe one way to distribute it would be to find people who have done design evaluations of bits of Gnome stuff [13:25] And see if their specific points are generalizable. Then they could be written up by someone who's good at writing even if they're not necessarily good at design themselves. [13:26] Maybe that's a wacky idea, I don't know [13:27] how about using other HIGs floating around online as pegs? hmmm [13:27] the big topic for the next version are patterns, right? [13:27] thorwil: right [13:28] should we dare to bring that to the ayatana ml? [13:29] It's worth a try :-) [13:29] my concern would be the quality of the contributions... but something is better than nothing :) [13:29] mpt: then lets's talk about the best angle of attack [13:29] thorwil, maybe ask specifically for people to brainstorm patterns -- e.g. in a pad.ubuntu-uk.org document [13:31] this is our existing list of patterns: http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/HIG/ThreeZero/LondonHackfestNotes [13:32] thorwil, would you like to take care of that? [13:32] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ui-patterns [13:32] this could be a good task for those studying usability stuff [13:32] mpt: initial push, yes, at least [13:32] ok, thanks [13:33] I think this is something godbyk-sagan is interested in, too [13:33] particularly the overall structure of the guidelines [13:34] Anything else about the HIG? [13:34] thorwil, you said something about Ayatana on rails? [13:34] Yeah, I would love to help out with the HIG, if I can carve out some time to do so. [13:34] mpt: i feel it's still a lot of hot air, not enough structure/guidance [13:35] thorwil, you mean the mailing list is? [13:35] yes [13:35] That's true [13:35] mpt: apparently there's not even a clear idea of a design/artwork separation [13:36] That's maybe not so much of a problem. There'll always be overlap between them. [13:37] I think ayatana@ is a bundle of energy that just needs more things to do. :-) [13:37] perhaps. but look at the double-click thing [13:38] !test [13:38] hrm? [13:38] got to run, i'm afraid. see you all next week :) [13:38] See you later, aday. [13:39] just a tiny bit of structuring from my side and we got an overview and mockups and best of all: some consensus. but what is happening now with it? [13:39] thorwil, I haven't caught up to that thread, so I don't know [13:40] I'll try to go through it today. [13:40] cool [13:43] ok, if we have nothing else for this week, I have another meeting to get ready for :-) [13:43] thank you all [13:43] cya! [13:44] See you next week. [13:44] bye , /me catches up with logs , seems i was disconneted for a bit in the middle ;p [13:44] see you next week :) === \vish is now known as vish === bgs000 is now known as bgs100 === pgraner is now known as pgraner-afk === yofel_ is now known as yofel