[00:32] <h00k> Technically, regarding the ISO, the images are okay to have, it's the license that involves the piracy.
[00:34] <h00k> mneptok, IdleOne ^
[00:34] <h00k> AFAIK, anyway.
[00:35] <h00k> regardless, it's still not a topic for the channel :)
[00:35] <IdleOne> h00k: like mneptok said had he paid for it he would call them for the support
[00:35] <IdleOne> and yeah it is ot
[00:35] <mneptok> like i said, "from multiple sources"
[00:35] <h00k> Right, which still isn't illegal, however. But yes, he should call Microsoft.
[00:35] <mneptok> there is only one source for a Windows installer .iso. Microsoft,
[00:36] <h00k> MSDN, yeah.
[00:36] <mneptok> and the MSDN EULA makes sharing that stuff illegal. so there can only ever be one source. not "multiple sources."
[00:37] <h00k> you have a point, yeah. the multiple sources part isn't cool
[00:37] <h00k> also, the topic
[00:37] <mneptok> i always have a point.
[00:37] <IdleOne> See, we aren't as look as we dumb
[00:37] <mneptok> sadly, it's usually just the one at the top of my head. :/
[00:38] <h00k> I think it's the letter 'k' at the end of your name
[00:38] <h00k> the rest of your characters have roundies
[00:38] <mneptok> did you just ask me out?
[00:40] <IdleOne> for dinner it seems
[00:40] <IdleOne> heh
[00:45] <h00k> heh
[02:31] <Jordan_U> moliangfeng in #ubuntu
[04:55]  * mneptok trundles off to bed
[12:51] <Pici> !test
[12:55] <Pici> tsimpson, jussi: fyi: Looks like ubottu had an uncaught exception at 2010-06-10T11:53:33 (according to its logs), I've restarted it via the killbot page.
[12:57] <tsimpson> gerr, why does supybot insist on naming its functions the same as built-in functions....
[12:57] <Pici> tsimpson: looks like it happened again, I'm not sure if its imepeding on Encyclopedia running this time though :/
[12:58] <tsimpson> @reload Encyclopedia
[12:59] <tsimpson> !test
[12:59] <tsimpson> that should fix it
[12:59] <Pici> tsimpson: Thanks :)
[13:00] <tsimpson> I've been opposed to touching supybot code (for ubottu), but it's beginning to make more and more sense
[13:38] <jussi> if we do touch it, probably a good idea to make sure things get upstream also
[13:59] <bazhang> more nonsense from dbdavid, suggesting its a virus
[14:20] <bazhang> nice
[14:48] <tsimpson> jussi: upstream will not like what I want to change
[14:50] <tsimpson> supybot redefine len(), any(), and all(), to name a few, and then import those everywhere managing to replace the real version
[14:50] <tsimpson> and usually change them in such a way as to be incompatible with the proper functions
[16:10] <funkyHat> haha
[16:15] <tsimpson> it updates daily, so maverick will often be out of date
[16:16] <funkyHat> I thought it would be something like that. The messages that ubottu catches because they contain "is" often make me smile ⢁)
[16:16] <tsimpson> I tend to do s/ubottu/the bot/
[16:17] <jpds> tsimpson: You could update every six hours.
[16:17] <tsimpson> jpds: I'd rather not, it updates all the archives not just selected ones
[16:17] <tsimpson> but maybe the shiny new server can handle it..
[16:21] <bazhang> this is the fellow who was harassing kaushal
[16:30] <bazhang> got him (jungli) in PM now
[16:42] <tsimpson> muted oxymoron in -ot
[16:43] <ryaxnb> i really dont think oxymoron should be banned.
[16:43] <tsimpson> he's not
[16:43] <ryaxnb> i've used far worse language without being +qed.
[16:44] <ryaxnb> is there some sort of respect quota or some dogpoo like that?
[16:45] <tsimpson> ryaxnb: anything else we can do for you?
[16:45] <ryaxnb> i have used words like that without getting banned?
[16:45] <ryaxnb> it is because i am respected or what the heck is it?
[16:45] <ryaxnb> oxymoron, your input?
[16:45] <tsimpson> ryaxnb: probably because someone wasn't watching
[16:45] <ryaxnb> no, i was criticized for it by idle one.
[16:46] <ryaxnb> never banned or +qed.
[16:46] <oxymoron> ryaxnb: That regular easy words should be allowed and not restricted. Alright if you were swearing, but that I dont really do.
[16:46] <ryaxnb> thats unfair enforcement.
[16:46] <tsimpson> well, then you were reminded of the rules
[16:46] <ryaxnb> well he was too but +q?
[16:46] <ryaxnb> thats unfair.
[16:46] <tsimpson> ryaxnb: unless _you_ have an issue to discuss, please leave
[16:46] <ryaxnb> he was just arguing about the rules in the wrong place
[16:46] <ryaxnb> he should argue about them in #ubuntu-ops.
[16:46] <ryaxnb> tsimpson, :(
[16:47] <tsimpson> and he's here now, so no need for you to be
[16:47] <ryaxnb> im just pointing out unfair enforcement.
[16:47] <ryaxnb> uneven and unfair IMHO
[16:47] <ryaxnb> unequal even. discriminatory.
[16:47] <tsimpson> operators are volunteers, they can be see everything 24/7
[16:47] <ryaxnb> the thing is they did see me.
[16:47] <ryaxnb> and theres something you can do.
[16:47] <tsimpson> and you were given a warning
[16:47] <ryaxnb> -q him.
[16:48]  * oxymoron not really know what he should say, just that its unnecessary to even have this discussion. It feels like most ops do whatever they like on all channels just because they can.
[16:48] <ryaxnb> why not just give him a warning??
[16:48] <tsimpson> ryaxnb: you are slowing the process down
[16:48] <ryaxnb> :(
[16:48] <tsimpson> ryaxnb: I have, many times
[16:48] <ryaxnb> i will leave now
[16:48] <ryaxnb> my point has been made :(
[16:48] <ryaxnb> and ignored.
[16:48] <oxymoron> ryaxnb: Thanks
[16:48] <tsimpson> oxymoron: I have told you, on many occasions about the rules regarding language in the Ubuntu channels
[16:49] <oxymoron> tsimpson: I dont really understand, I wrote: "[17:38] * oxymoron wishes Android team develop the important stuff and doesnt focus on piece of crap shit nobody needs or want." and then "[17:41] <oxymoron> I hate to be restricted. "Shit, crap, holy shit" and that kind of words should be user friendly words."
[16:50] <bazhang> whoo nal is back
[16:50] <tsimpson> oxymoron: what don't you understand?
[16:51] <oxymoron> tsimpson: Why that is unfriendly sentences. First I typed piece of crap which isnt really swearing or offending anyone personally then I said what I think about it and got silented.
[16:51] <tsimpson> oxymoron: swearing while talking about swearing is still swearing
[16:52] <oxymoron> tsimpson: How can words, crap, shit and holy shit be swearing?
[16:53] <tsimpson> because in many places in the world, those are indeed swear words
[16:54] <oxymoron> tsimpson: Which places?
[16:55] <tsimpson> that's not relevant, but for instance in Ireland, UK, US...
[16:55] <oxymoron> tsimpson: Saying one thing is piece of crap is like saying just something is bad in my country.
[16:56] <tsimpson> well not everywhere
[16:59] <oxymoron> I would have understand completly if it was like I said (Sorry for typing this): "I hate that fucking piece of crap"
[17:00] <tsimpson> the severity of the words doesn't matter
[17:01] <oxymoron> tsimpson: For me it does and I dont understand why so strict, most people are over 18 on your channels as far as I udnerstand, mostly geeks thats used to hear bad words all day long. Children today and even adults swears a lot everywhere.
[17:01] <tsimpson> you can't say "most people are over 18"
[17:01] <tsimpson> there is absolutely no way to know that
[17:02] <bazhang> funkyHat, in here, it was the !flame suggestion
[17:03] <bazhang> in response to the 'pixplz' incident
[17:04] <oxymoron> tsimpson: Then you cant say that it should be family friendly because you cant prove there are families in there? :P
[17:04] <tsimpson> oxymoron: and we can't say that that language is acceptable either, and so we err on the side of caution
[17:04] <oxymoron> You know I am right, you just dont want to accept or change the fact of your guidelines just because
[17:05] <oxymoron> So why say anything then?
[17:05] <oxymoron> We need to be on the secure side, so for caution everybody is muted? xD
[17:06] <Pici> I don't think that swearing needs to be a part of adult conversation, whether there are kids around or not.
[17:06] <oxymoron> I guess I cant make anybody change their mind just because theyre already written rules and guidelines ages ago.
[17:07] <Pici> Regardless of when they were created, these are our rules and they are not changing.
[17:07] <oxymoron> Pici: Neither do I ... but some words or combined words like piece of shit is not swearing I would say, no matter country.
[17:07] <oxymoron> Pici: Why cant anyone change rules?
[17:07] <Pici> oxymoron: It definitely is swearing in my country.
[17:07] <charlie-tca> swearing in my country too
[17:08] <oxymoron> Define swearing then ...
[17:08] <bazhang> no need to type it
[17:08] <Pici> Using foul language.
[17:08] <oxymoron> Theres no need to type anything but anyway all people on IRC do ...
[17:09] <oxymoron> Sometimes you want people to know what you think about something. To say something sucks or just is bad sounds less than satying something is peice of crap :P
[17:10] <oxymoron> Or when people type freaking instead of fucking before words, why is that acceptable when they really mean the other "ugly"/unallowed word?
[17:10] <tsimpson> freaking would also be questionable
[17:11] <tsimpson> the only reason that it's not picked up more is because it's harder to spot
[17:11] <oxymoron> None of the words should be IMO and then on offtopic channels I dont understand at all why theyre restricted. You cant even discuss whatever you like.
[17:12] <tsimpson> it's besides the point that it happens to be an offtopic channel
[17:12] <oxymoron> If I would have a question about ubuntu on ubuntu-oftopic I may not type it because its not a support channel, why so? :S
[17:12] <tsimpson> offtopic does not mean you can say anything you wish
[17:12] <oxymoron> offtopic means for me saying whatever you like as far as you follow human guidlines of language ...
[17:13] <tsimpson> our channels have rules, following those rules is a requirement of participating in those channels
[17:13] <oxymoron> But then I dont know if its really worth arguing at all, no ops in this world will change their mind anyway.
[17:13] <Pici> Our guidelines are stated in our channel topics.
[17:14] <oxymoron> Nobody reads them anyway and nobody sees guidline links at the top, I dont do I dont even recognize them . And yes I have read guidelines several times on different channels and IRC servers.
[17:15] <Pici> So because no one reads topics means that we shouldn't have any rules?
[17:15] <tsimpson> it's not our fault that you don't read channel topics
[17:15] <oxymoron> Btw, is there any channel where you can write whatever you like with a lot of decent people inside it?
[17:15] <tsimpson> usually, "write whatever you like" and "lot of decent people inside it" are mutually exclusive
[17:15] <oxymoron> Pici: It means that most people isnt aware of the rules.
[17:16] <Pici> Not any Ubuntu channel, but there may be other channels on freenode for that.
[17:16] <tsimpson> use /msg alis help list for searching for channels
[17:16] <oxymoron> I want a channel for chatting on ALL EARTH topics I want, no restriction at all.
[17:17] <oxymoron> If I was going to philosophy channel I need to talk philosophy. If I want combine subjects then?
[17:17] <Pici> oxymoron: We've given you the tools to search for that channel yourself.
[17:17] <oxymoron> Usually channels are restricted to the channel name.
[17:18] <oxymoron> Sweet you can even search on channels above a certain amount of users :P
[17:20] <oxymoron> Hmm only channel with more than 1000 users is #ubuntu xD
[17:23] <oxymoron> What about ##club-ubuntu?
[17:24] <bazhang> oxymoron, was there something else you needed here?
[17:24] <maco> neither & or don't go together ^
[17:24] <oxymoron> bazhang: Not really sure, do I? :P
[17:24] <bazhang> oxymoron, seem to be clear on the channel rules , correct?
[17:25] <oxymoron> bazhang: Always been ...
[17:25] <bazhang> oxymoron, ok, then. please don't idle here then
[17:27] <bazhang> !no u is <reply> U is the 21st letter of the modern latin alphabet. Neither 'U' nor 'Ur' are words in the English language. Neither are 'R', 'Y', 'l8', 'Ne1' nor 'Bcuz'. Mangled English is hard for non-native English speakers. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/abbreviations/ for more information.
[17:27] <bazhang> !u
[17:27] <bazhang> maco, should be !no u is <reply> etc
[17:28] <maco> bazhang: dang it
[17:28] <maco> bazhang: well i cant make the change anyway. it still has to go through you so doesnt matter if i do it right :P
[17:29] <bazhang> maco, not sure; are you not part of the editor-enabled for the bot?
[17:29] <tsimpson> bazhang: /msg ubottu editors
[17:29] <bazhang> tsimpson, thanks
[17:30] <maco> bazhang: if i am, nobody told me
[17:30] <bazhang> that seems to be out of date; nickrud is still listed there, and I am not
[17:31] <tsimpson> you are
[17:31] <tsimpson> you may need to send "more" to see the rest
[17:31] <tsimpson> (and it does need cleaning up)
[17:31] <bazhang> okay, ubuottu says 1 more message
[17:32] <bazhang> err ubottu
[17:32] <tsimpson> just use the "more" command
[17:32] <tsimpson> @help more
[17:32] <bazhang> ha sorry
[18:31] <Tm_T> oh boy
[18:31] <Pici> hm?
[18:31] <Tm_T> oxymoron earlier
[18:32] <Pici> ah
[21:49] <erUSUL> i wondered if it would be good to strength the wording about tryin to get a deb before going down the compile route in !compile factoid ?
[21:50] <erUSUL> !compile
[22:06] <ikonia> erUSUL: %150 agree
[22:06] <ikonia> erUSUL: I don't feel we should be offering compile tips unless we are confident the user can deal with it
[22:10] <erUSUL> alternatively a factoid worded to *discurage* compile from source.... people tend to retialate less if you give them a threatening factoid... (they trust the bot more then *me* o.0 go figure XXDD )
[22:10] <ikonia> erUSUL: want to have a prod at updating the factoid or do you want me to put some thought into it ?
[22:11] <erUSUL> feel free
[22:12] <ikonia> I'll have a think about it, but I agree %100 with you so I'll put some thought into it
[22:13] <erUSUL> ok thanks; bye :)
[22:18] <gnomefreak> +1 but would like to word the looking for debs a little different to discourage going outside our archives, that is more likley to break things than compiling software
[22:19] <gnomefreak> or add a warning at least
[22:19] <ikonia> gnomefreak: agreed, repo -> (PPA at your own risk) > compiling at your own risk
[22:19] <gnomefreak> than all we have to do is read each others minds and poof it is done ;)
[22:20] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm
[22:20] <gnomefreak> this cant be good
[22:20] <ikonia> I wish we could do something with KDE/Ubuntu PPA's and make them a little more official as that's one of the common ones to ask for
[22:20] <gnomefreak> where is daniel when you need him
[22:21] <gnomefreak> ikonia: we were going to make apport handle PPa packages but not sure how far that got
[22:21] <gnomefreak> did anyone get emails from admin@ubuntu.com
[22:21] <ikonia> gnomefreak: to be honest I don't think that makes a difference, I'd like to see a rating system for PPA's in terms of reliability/supportability/maintenance etc, so people know how much to trust/not trush
[22:22] <gnomefreak> good idea
[22:22] <ikonia> no email access at the moment
[22:22] <gnomefreak> i got 3 about someone acessing my acount to run a html file that is attached
[22:23] <gnomefreak> #canconical has moved :(
[22:23] <ikonia> to where ?
[22:24] <gnomefreak> not sure it gave me a link in the topic and it says im not allow to view it
[22:24] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.canonical.com/FrontPage/
[22:25] <ikonia> I'm sure it's just a sloppy migration
[22:25] <ikonia> they do this sort of thing a bit, it doesn't present a good image
[22:26]  * gnomefreak needs to find out more about these emails but dh*is gone
[22:29] <gnomefreak> it seems cjwatson dholbach and slangasek got them but why in my email box
[22:32] <gnomefreak> its not just me
[22:52] <ikonia> magicianlord in #ubuntu seems keen to push fedora, even in his ident
[22:56] <knome> hmm
[22:57] <ikonia> he's gone now, it's clear he was pushing fedora for some unknown reason
[23:00] <knome> is talking about other os's forbidden in every ubuntu channel?
[23:01] <knome> (i understadn #u is not the right place for that discussion, though)
[23:01] <ikonia> he's not talking about it
[23:01] <gnomefreak> forbidden may not be the word i would use
[23:01] <gnomefreak> discouraged maybe
[23:01] <ikonia> he kept just randomly asking questions / support / discussion abou tit
[23:01] <ikonia> eg: has anyone tried the nvidia drivers in fedora
[23:02] <knome> right
[23:02] <gnomefreak> no i dont have a fedora box anymore, why how are they?
[23:02] <gnomefreak> nevermind i missed the eg
[23:07] <ikonia> idoru is getting agressive
[23:34] <KB1JWQ> Yeah.  Teething issues. :-/
[23:43] <IdleOne> Evening