| RAOF | Sarvatt: Do you have any insights into why we have xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd in the archive? | 03:23 |
|---|---|---|
| Sarvatt | some people still use it, it's certainly more maintained than half the other video drivers.. :D | 03:24 |
| RAOF | I guess so. | 03:27 |
| RAOF | It doesn't work with KMS, though. | 03:27 |
| RAOF | I guess we're not going to remove it, so we should rebuild it. | 03:29 |
| RAOF | Hm. Actually, we can remove it. | 03:30 |
| bryceh | yeah it can be dropped now | 03:34 |
| bryceh | we pulled it in back when there was a lot of excitement about it, but really haven't done anything with it | 03:34 |
| bryceh | and in fact I think I already unsubbed ubuntu-x@ from its bug tracker (and I think I wontfixed all its bugs) | 03:34 |
| RAOF | You didn't wontfix them, but I've just confirmed & sub'd ubuntu-archive on the removal bug. | 03:36 |
| bryceh | ok | 03:36 |
| bryceh | well, the bugs certainly can be wontfixed now :-) | 03:37 |
| RAOF | Yup :) | 03:38 |
| Sarvatt | oh man, that canonical-desktop-team/une ppa trashed things :) | 03:53 |
| Sarvatt | think i'll hold off on indicator-appmenu until its in maverick | 03:54 |
| Sarvatt | cant launch my most used app with it (geany) | 03:54 |
| ripps | Sarvatt: unity is in the maverick repos now | 03:57 |
| Sarvatt | appmenu-gtk isn't though | 03:57 |
| Sarvatt | i can't find libappmenu.so in any package | 03:57 |
| Sarvatt | was trying to follow the ubuntu desktop installation section on here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationMenu | 03:58 |
| ripps | Damn, still can't downgrade from xorg-edgers yet. | 03:59 |
| RAOF | Yup. We're beavering away solidly at that. | 04:00 |
| Sarvatt | hmm | 04:10 |
| Sarvatt | Source: xserver-xorg-video-glide | 04:10 |
| Sarvatt | build depends on libglide2-dev | 04:10 |
| Sarvatt | Package: libglide2-dev | 04:10 |
| Sarvatt | Section: libdevel | 04:10 |
| Sarvatt | Architecture: i386 | 04:10 |
| Sarvatt | fails on amd64 | 04:11 |
| Sarvatt | [ 46933.281] xorg-server 2:1.8.99.0+git20100609.8e97e5f9-0ubuntu0sarvatt (For technical support please see http://www.ubuntu.com/support) | 04:46 |
| Sarvatt | hmm that looks kind of out of place for xorg-edgers :) | 04:46 |
| Sarvatt | xserver 1.9 PPA looks good to go though, just need to refresh the nouveau autoconfig patch | 04:47 |
| RAOF | Score. | 04:47 |
| Sarvatt | the BGNR stuff is all busted though, could be problems in maverick :) | 04:48 |
| RAOF | Maybe hang back a little bit on the update until people can downgrade. | 04:48 |
| Sarvatt | oh yeah it'd be a week or two before i did it, its not even branched yet still | 04:48 |
| RAOF | It got sent upstream, though, so that's +1 | 04:48 |
| Sarvatt | yeah had to ask 3 different people if they'd upstream it in the past few months since noone knew who originally wrote it and airlied did the other day \o/ | 04:49 |
| RAOF | Once we *have* got maverick upgradable feel free to break everyone's X using -edgers. There shouldn't be any ABI changes at this point, so 1.9 is good to go! | 04:49 |
| Sarvatt | the bgnr patch that got sent to the lists breaks the video abi | 04:49 |
| ripps | Yeah, wait a bit on 1.9. I'm still unable to downgrade from xorg-edgers due to unfinished X migration in maverick | 04:56 |
| Sarvatt | ripps: i wouldn't, dont worry :) | 05:13 |
| Sarvatt | and yeah it stinks, i have 9 machines here and can't test stock maverick on any of them, lucid ones cant upgrade to maverick, maverick ones are all on edgers because I was testing upgrades and cant downgrade | 05:14 |
| Sarvatt | xorg metapackage really needs to be updated so people can just remove xserver-xorg-{video,input}-all and actually upgrade maverick now | 05:15 |
| Sarvatt | but xserver-xorg-core still needs wacom and i didnt have any luck with that merge, that package is such a PITA | 05:17 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: You don't have any wacom hardware, do you? | 05:19 |
| Sarvatt | yeah i've got 2 tablets | 05:19 |
| Sarvatt | i use that from git regardless of what i'm on though, too many fixes going into it too fast | 05:20 |
| ripps | I have to rebuild my wacom module every linux update now, kernel doesn't have support for bamboo ctl-460. I wrote a script that builds, loads, and configures it automatically. | 05:23 |
| Sarvatt | ripps: checked linux-input to see if they submitted it upstream even yet? | 05:26 |
| ripps | Sarvatt: the last wacom patch was on april 21 | 05:42 |
| ripps | Does anybody know how make a kernel module backport package? I might be able to help some people by just having a package they can install easily. | 05:52 |
| ripps | Even better, how to make a dkms package. | 05:54 |
| Sarvatt | they haven't even tried sending them upstream :( | 05:56 |
| Sarvatt | just looked at the last 6 months of linux-input on patchwork.kernel.org | 05:56 |
| Sarvatt | what was the deviceid again? 00d4? | 05:57 |
| Sarvatt | 0xd4 works with xf86-input-wacom, just not the darn kernel module | 05:59 |
| Sarvatt | maybe fedora patches it in their kernel, lessee | 05:59 |
| hyperair | Sarvatt: ah, seems i overdid my phc, which caused the hang yesterday. | 06:04 |
| Sarvatt | lol ok that makes more sense | 06:04 |
| Sarvatt | was wondering why i couldn't find anything | 06:05 |
| Sarvatt | thats odd, getting [ 46933.277] 1 XSELINUXs still allocated at reset in Xorg.0.log even though i'm building with --disable-xselinux | 06:59 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: want to try a new xserver-xorg-input-wacom? | 07:09 |
| Sarvatt | yep throw it at me :) | 07:09 |
| RAOF | www.cooperteam.net | 07:09 |
| Sarvatt | amd64... :D | 07:10 |
| Sarvatt | only machine on amd64 is on lucid | 07:10 |
| RAOF | Have a source package, then. | 07:11 |
| Sarvatt | grabbing it, with that i should be able to downgrade to stock maverick if xorg built | 07:12 |
| Sarvatt | debian/local should go | 07:13 |
| RAOF | Oh, totally. | 07:14 |
| RAOF | Whoops, forgot about that. | 07:14 |
| RAOF | Fixed. | 07:16 |
| Sarvatt | looks good to me | 07:19 |
| Sarvatt | built fine, files in the debs are right, and it works :) | 07:20 |
| Sarvatt | the udev rules probably could use some updating but might as well keep it the same as debian, only the serial part setting ID_INPUT_TABLET is needed anymore | 07:21 |
| RAOF | Oh, really? | 07:22 |
| Sarvatt | yeah the rest is done by the snippet | 07:23 |
| Sarvatt | but it works as it is, no point changing it really | 07:24 |
| Sarvatt | is the ntrig device in 50-wacom.conf the same as we added? i can't remember | 07:25 |
| Sarvatt | yep it is | 07:26 |
| Sarvatt | looks good to me! | 07:26 |
| RAOF | Yeah. And they've also dropped the tablet thingy that doesn't have a kernel driver. | 07:27 |
| RAOF | With that, coffee time. | 07:27 |
| RAOF | Thanks for testing! | 07:28 |
| Sarvatt | might as well just do no change rebuilds of nvidia-graphics-drivers* too? | 07:29 |
| RAOF | No; I want to mess with their apport scripts. | 07:29 |
| Sarvatt | trying to see how we can add IgnoreABI to the xorg.conf installed by 173 to make it work | 07:30 |
| Sarvatt | planning on doing that today though? people with it installed have broken package managers until its rebuilt? | 07:30 |
| RAOF | Planning on doing it after coffee. | 07:30 |
| RAOF | It won't take long. | 07:31 |
| Sarvatt | oh okie! | 07:32 |
| Sarvatt | what the heck package is the xorg.conf generated in | 07:32 |
| Sarvatt | ah jockey | 07:35 |
| Sarvatt | jockey needs something like this | 07:41 |
| Sarvatt | if self.version == '173': | 07:41 |
| Sarvatt | self.xorg_conf.addOption('ServerFlags', 'IgnoreABI', 'True', optiontype='Option', position=0) | 07:41 |
| Sarvatt | awesome, they're talking about doing video device matching with xorg.conf.d snippets upstream | 07:49 |
| RAOF | Sarvatt: And it works properly with IgnoreABI? | 08:06 |
| Sarvatt | yeah it does | 09:02 |
| Sarvatt | http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/xorg-server-1.8-catalyst-maximize-fix/xorg-server-1.8-catalyst-maximize-fix/fglrx-xorg-version.patch | 09:02 |
| Sarvatt | so yeah, bug against fglrx-installer asking us to pick that patch up to make fglrx work with xserver 1.8 | 09:03 |
| Sarvatt | gave me a good laugh before sleep :D | 09:03 |
| RAOF | No. | 09:03 |
| RAOF | :) | 09:03 |
| alf__ | RAOF: Hi! | 10:27 |
| RAOF | alf__: Yo! | 10:27 |
| alf__ | RAOF: What is the current status of mesa-egl on maverick? | 10:28 |
| RAOF | Waiting for me to finalise the packaging of unrelated parts of mesa. | 10:29 |
| RAOF | It's been lower-priority with the xserver transition. | 10:29 |
| alf__ | RAOF: I can imagine :) | 10:30 |
| Sarvatt | it'd be worth investigating the changes in 7.9 too since thats the target in maverick and its *completely* different than 7.8 there | 10:30 |
| RAOF | Right. I was going to do that, too. | 10:32 |
| * Sarvatt tries building git with origin/ubuntu again to see whats u0 | 10:32 | |
| Sarvatt | up | 10:32 |
| alf__ | RAOF: Any ETA on mesa-egl maverick? | 10:33 |
| RAOF | alf__: Is it blocking your work? | 10:42 |
| alf__ | RAOF: Without it we have to do work on lucid instead of maverick | 10:43 |
| alf__ | RAOF: So, yes and no :) | 10:44 |
| RAOF | The packages in the mesa-egl ppa will build & work on maverick. I can make maverick archive packages a priority if you like. | 10:45 |
| alf__ | RAOF: If that isn't too much trouble it would be great! | 10:46 |
| Sarvatt | it won't for long because libdrm will be updated any time now and it wont build against 2.4.21 | 10:47 |
| alf__ | :S | 10:47 |
| RAOF | Yay! libkms will now build against the in-tree headers. | 10:52 |
| Sarvatt | well, we could disable nouveau until 7.9 | 10:54 |
| seb128 | waouh, new xorg works on my mini10v | 10:55 |
| RAOF | Or pull in an appropriate nouveau_class.h | 10:56 |
| seb128 | it just broke gnome-screensaver idle detection or something, when it starts locking moving the mouse doesn't stop it | 10:56 |
| RAOF | Hm. I haven't seen that. | 10:59 |
| Sarvatt | seb128: you mean like a fade out before locking? | 11:00 |
| * Sarvatt doesn't use gnome-screensaver so not sure | 11:01 | |
| Sarvatt | the fade when locking was disabled in gnome-screensaver recently i think though, might have something to do with it? | 11:01 |
| seb128 | when it starts locking after idle usually you can undo the locking by moving the mouse | 11:02 |
| seb128 | that working this morning and I just upgraded the xorg stack | 11:02 |
| seb128 | ie sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg | 11:02 |
| Sarvatt | odd, it works here | 11:15 |
| Sarvatt | aspire one netbook but i'm using xorg-edgers | 11:16 |
| Sarvatt | oh joy, this again | 12:00 |
| Sarvatt | Fatal server error: | 12:00 |
| Sarvatt | [ 2826.174] Caught signal 3 (Quit). Server aborting | 12:00 |
| RAOF | What fun! | 12:05 |
| jcristau | sigquit knew you missed it, so it decided to come back? | 12:06 |
| RAOF | jcristau: So, final stab at libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental. Nouveau's happy to go in there, but for radeong one of four things needs to happen: 1) it doesn't go in there at all, 2) the package conflicts with libgl1-mesa-dri, 3) dpkg-divert rears its ugly head, 4) alternatives madness! | 12:17 |
| RAOF | jcristau: I lean towards 1). | 12:17 |
| RAOF | Do you have any strong opinion here? | 12:17 |
| jcristau | 1 seems best. | 12:35 |
| jcristau | 3 i very much dislike | 12:36 |
| RAOF | Yup. Good. | 12:44 |
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| kees | RAOF: is it safe to update maverick yet? | 18:47 |
| bryceh | kees, think he's asleep for a few more hours | 19:03 |
| bryceh | however looking at http://www2.bryceharrington.org:8080/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/versions-current.html it appears all the video drivers are merged in now, so I'll bet it's safe | 19:04 |
| bryceh | (for the usual alpha-2 definition of the word 'safe') | 19:05 |
| kees | bryceh: ah, cool. thanks! | 19:08 |
| bryceh | kees, your comment break... http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50085515/break2.png | 19:13 |
| bryceh | bbiab (dr appt) | 19:13 |
| ripps | xserver-xorg-video-fbdev is still holding back my xorg-edgers downgrade | 19:16 |
| Sarvatt | its stuck in NEW because of the udeb | 19:19 |
| kees | bryceh: rock! | 19:20 |
| ripps | I don't really understand the deal wit udebs | 19:24 |
| jcristau | that's fine, you don't have to. | 19:26 |
| Sarvatt | jcristau: it ok if I merge libdrm 2.4.21 in experimental? already have it done and test built locally - http://sarvatt.com/git/cgit.cgi/libdrm/ | 20:12 |
| jcristau | should be fine i think | 20:13 |
| timboy | with maverick can I have two mouse cursors yet? | 20:35 |
| jcristau | you can with lucid. | 20:36 |
| timboy | jcristau, how? | 20:38 |
| jcristau | http://lwn.net/Articles/283957/ | 20:43 |
| chek0v | hey guys, i realise this is a dumbass qusetion most likley | 20:44 |
| chek0v | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates | 20:45 |
| chek0v | thats an official, or at least known/run by ubuntu folks repo | 20:45 |
| chek0v | ie you guys, right? | 20:45 |
| Sarvatt | yep, whats up? | 20:45 |
| chek0v | well im looking to update the nvidia drivers | 20:46 |
| chek0v | from .15 to .24 | 20:46 |
| chek0v | and im just wondering how safe it is | 20:46 |
| chek0v | not really game to roll the dice much on this machine as i use it for work | 20:46 |
| Sarvatt | .24 isn't in there | 20:47 |
| chek0v | ok well, that answers that then | 20:47 |
| chek0v | not sure why i thought itwas | 20:47 |
| chek0v | ;) | 20:47 |
| Sarvatt | it's got 256.29 (the newest beta release) | 20:47 |
| chek0v | ah | 20:47 |
| Sarvatt | I think 195.24 is in -proposed? or did that never get pushed to lucid? | 20:48 |
| chek0v | do you know if these dirvers will eventually make it to the main ubuntu repos? | 20:48 |
| chek0v | yeah its still proposed afaik | 20:48 |
| Sarvatt | not for already released ones most likely but for the development version yeah | 20:48 |
| chek0v | so if im understanding you correctly, i will never get a driver update from the default ubuntu repos | 20:49 |
| chek0v | that accurate? | 20:49 |
| Sarvatt | pretty much for the binary blob driver, yeah :( | 20:50 |
| chek0v | np, just want to understand | 20:51 |
| chek0v | ill probabluy image this install | 20:51 |
| chek0v | then roll the dice on one of the updated drivers ;) | 20:51 |
| timboy | Is the facility to just plug two mice in and get two pointers going to be in maverick? | 20:51 |
| Sarvatt | chek0v: there is a package you can install in that PPA that will completely remove it | 20:53 |
| Sarvatt | sudo apt-get install ppa-purge && sudo ppa-purge -p x-updates ubuntu-x-swat | 20:53 |
| Sarvatt | it'll revert everything back to the stock ubuntu packages | 20:53 |
| Sarvatt | so theres not really any harm in trying it | 20:53 |
| chek0v | ahh roger | 20:54 |
| chek0v | thanks for that | 20:54 |
| Sarvatt | ripps: pitti just pushed fbdev through NEW so it should be all set here soon | 20:54 |
| jcristau | Sarvatt: the LIBADD part of the libkms patch needs to stay afaict | 21:04 |
| Sarvatt | oh you're right, unresolved symbols | 21:05 |
| jcristau | let me know when you've fixed that i'll get the package in NEW. | 21:09 |
| Sarvatt | ok fixing it up now, just figuring out how i should do it.. add RAOF's changelog entry back? | 21:19 |
| Sarvatt | refreshed it here - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/02_build_libkms_against_in_tree_drm.diff | 21:20 |
| jcristau | yeah just remove the part about cflags | 21:23 |
| jcristau | and it'll be good | 21:23 |
| Sarvatt | http://sarvatt.com/downloads/libdrm.patch -- that look good or should I change the release target to experimental? | 21:28 |
| jcristau | looks ok | 21:42 |
| jcristau | i'm updating the copyright file. it's a pita. | 21:42 |
| Sarvatt | hmm, can't just add Copyright © 2009 VMware, Inc., Palo Alto, CA., USA to it? | 21:49 |
| jcristau | there's lots of minimally different versions of the license | 21:49 |
| jcristau | including ones with typos. or ones which say 'copyright marcheu. va linux systems is not liable.' | 21:50 |
| Sarvatt | radeon_bo_int.h radeon_cs_int.h and radeon_cs.c arent even licensed | 21:51 |
| jcristau | i love how it says 'this permission notice (including the next paragraph) shall be included' except they reordered them so there's no next paragraph :) | 21:53 |
| Sarvatt | lol | 21:53 |
| Sarvatt | which one did that? | 21:53 |
| jcristau | that's all over the radeon stuff | 21:53 |
| Sarvatt | ah why am i not surprised | 21:54 |
| Sarvatt | updating the copyrights in mesa/demos is going to be nightmare inducing | 21:58 |
| jcristau | Sarvatt: the radeon bof stuff looks like it should be hidden | 22:12 |
| jcristau | radeon/bof.h is not installed anywhere | 22:12 |
| Sarvatt | oh? i need to read the library packaging guide some more, didn't know that | 22:14 |
| jcristau | i'm hacking around it but ideally it should be fixed upstream.. | 22:16 |
| * ripps is testing a wacom-dkms package | 22:18 | |
| ripps | woot! it worked | 22:31 |
| ripps | uploading to my ppa, so others can use it. | 22:31 |
| Sarvatt | nice ripps! the wacom kernel module not supporting any entry level tablets from the last year or so is a pretty common complaint | 22:43 |
| ripps | Sarvatt: ppa:ripps818/ppa, I'm going to bed now, so after there done building. Take a look at them. | 22:44 |
| ripps | two versions: maverick has a patch that changes usb_buffer_alloc to usb_alloc_coherent and usb_buffer_free to usb_free_coherent, because apparently somebody changed the kernel api with telling anybody. Lucid version is unpatched, and should work with older versions of 2.6.30+ kernels. | 22:47 |
| ripps | g'night | 22:47 |
| bryceh | nite | 22:47 |
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