[00:10] <mpt> sjokkis, not as far as I know.
[00:12] <sjokkis> mpt: who could i talk to about that?
[00:12] <mpt> sjokkis, me, but not now, it's past midnight and I haven't had any birthday cake yet
[00:12]  * mpt -> exit
[00:12] <sjokkis> ok. talk to you later
[00:12] <sjokkis> happy birthday
[17:05] <djsiegel> hey doctormo
[17:05] <djsiegel> mpt: http://openetherpad.org/uxadvocates
[17:37] <mpt> djsiegel, neat
[17:37] <mpt> djsiegel, now turn off your computer and get well
[17:41]  * thorwil hopes some wiki software will learn from etherpad
[17:42] <seb128> djsiegel, mpt: what is uxadvocates about exactly?
[17:46] <mpt> seb128, "The User Experience Advocate is responsible for representing the interests of users within an open source project ...  Review usability and user research documents. Communicate user experience research to the project team. Review use cases ... Write and follow usability bug reports throughout the lifecycle of the project..." -- http://davidsiegel.org/announcing-ux-advocates/
[17:46] <seb128> mpt, ok, thanks
[17:46] <seb128> seems an interesting idea in any case ;-)
[19:30] <jcastro> anyone running the unity ppa want to help us test something real quick?
[19:34] <crimsun_> jcastro: what do you need?
[19:34] <jcastro> crimsun_: update/upgrade from the PPA (ken just uploaded new bits)
[19:35] <jcastro> and then fire up gedit, or another gtk app, and let me know if you see the global menu
[19:35] <jcastro> (you shouldn't have to set variables or any of that)
[19:35] <jcastro> and if you have a KDE app handy, fire that up, and switch between the apps, the menu should dynamically change
[19:36] <crimsun_> doesn't seem to show here.
[19:36] <jcastro> oh, after you are up to date you need to log  out and back in
[19:36] <crimsun_> did that.
[19:36] <jcastro> how about the KDE app?
[19:39] <crimsun_> same as in default lucid.
[19:39] <jcastro> :-/
[19:42] <jcastro> crimsun_: can you see if indicator-applet-appmenu is installed?
[19:44] <matumba> any eta on when this will be available for maverick (the PPA is for lucid, right?)
[19:44] <jcastro> matumba: it's building now
[19:45] <jcastro> matumba: probably the next hour or so?
[19:45] <jcastro> matumba: if you're on maverick I'd like to get some feedback on that too!
[19:45] <matumba> jcastro, will check it later then :-)
[19:46] <zniavre> looking for volunters to broke the system ?
[19:46] <jcastro> zniavre: yep, are you using the lucid unity ppa?
[19:46] <zniavre> not yet but if you point me to this repos i can
[19:47] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationMenu
[19:48] <zniavre> i already hav globalmenu do i hav to unistall it before?
[19:48] <zniavre> uninstall*
[19:48] <crimsun_> jcastro: I have it installed now (it doesn't seem to be an rdep of anything), logged out and back in, and same symptoms as prior.
[19:48] <jcastro> yeah probably
[19:49] <jcastro> kenvandine: does unity in the ppa depend on the appmenu stuff?
[19:49] <jcastro> it's supposed to
[19:49] <apachelogger> hellos, who would I be talking with about the proposed soundmenu?
[19:50] <kenvandine> jcastro, not yet
[19:50] <kenvandine> jcastro, talk to didrocks
[19:51] <kenvandine> apachelogger, ronoc
[19:51] <kenvandine> but i suspect he is gone for the day
[19:51] <apachelogger> I will try tomorrow then, thanks :)
[19:51] <kenvandine> np
[19:53] <jcastro> crimsun_: is appmenu-gtk installed?
[19:53] <crimsun_> jcastro: no, should it be?
[19:53] <jcastro> bratsche: should the dot have been fixed when you fixed checkboxes/radios? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/indicator-appmenu/+bug/589793 
[19:53] <jcastro> crimsun_: I think so.
[19:54] <jcastro> crimsun_: I'll file bugs on this.
[19:55] <bratsche> jcastro: I have no idea what this bug is about. :(
[19:56] <crimsun_> jcastro: great, installing both those packages (and their deps) Made It Work.
[19:56] <jcastro> bratsche: if you launch gnome-system-monitor, in View
[19:56] <jcastro> bratsche: there's a "dot" next to the menu entires
[19:56] <jcastro> bratsche: a "bullet" would be a more correct term I think
[19:58] <bratsche> jcastro: Yeah, I think this is related to radio/check stuff.  It looks like a radio menuitem.
[19:59] <jcastro> radios work now though (I closed that bug for you btw)
[19:59] <bratsche> Hmm, will have to look at this more in a little bit.
[19:59] <jcastro> crimsun_: awesome, thanks!
[19:59] <jcastro> no worries
[20:00] <crimsun_> huh, where is the Debian packaging for unity?
[20:00] <jcastro> it would be under netbook edition or something right?
[20:00] <jcastro> kenvandine: ^^
[20:01] <crimsun_> sorry, I'm being an imprecise dolt. What I meant was "Where is the bzr debian/ for unity?"
[20:01] <kenvandine> crimsun_, one sec
[20:02] <crimsun_> I resorted to "pull-lp-source unity maverick" in the meanwhile.
[20:03] <kenvandine> crimsun_, sorry... i am not doing well here... not sure where the bzr branch is for unity packaging
[20:03] <kenvandine> i would think it should be under ~ubuntu-desktop
[20:03] <kenvandine> another question for didrocks :)
[20:05] <crimsun_> doesn't appear under ~ubuntu-desktop's owned bzr
[20:05] <crimsun_> doesn't appear in maverick's unity debian/control, either
[20:06] <crimsun_> jcastro: do you have LP bug references for the missing dependencies that I can put into the changelog?
[20:06] <didrocks> hey jcastro 
[20:06] <jcastro> crimsun_: I fired him an email instead, but thought he would be asleep
[20:07] <jcastro> didrocks: I think crimsun was in the middle of fixing it
[20:07] <jcastro> didrocks: but we can't find your packaging for unity
[20:07] <didrocks> jcastro: well, I can fix it in a second :)
[20:07] <jcastro> ok
[20:07] <didrocks> just tell me which package I should depend on
[20:08] <jcastro> indicator-applet-appmenu
[20:08] <jcastro> and
[20:08] <crimsun_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/448367/
[20:08] <crimsun_> that's the debdiff
[20:08] <jcastro> appmenu-gtk
[20:09] <didrocks> crimsun_: I will only depend on appmenu-gtk. Don't want an applet there :)
[20:09] <crimsun_> ok, sounds good
[20:09] <didrocks> crimsun_: and FYI, the dep is in ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings, not unity
[20:09] <didrocks> (and it's a recommends :))
[20:10] <crimsun_> didrocks: strange, but ok. I checked ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings, and it depends on unity, so I looked at the latter. :)
[20:11] <didrocks> crimsun_: it depends on unity and recommends indicator-datetime and libunity-misc0
[20:11] <didrocks> crimsun_: basically, we don't have metapackage in the ppa
[20:11] <crimsun_> i.e., it makes sense to stash them in -default-settings instead of unity, but it wasn't immediately clear to me
[20:11] <didrocks> so, in maverick, all the dep or in ubuntu-netbook metapackage
[20:12] <didrocks> I use the -default-settings as a dummy metapackage as it contains the unity session file :)
[20:12] <didrocks> (that was just FYI)
[20:12] <crimsun_> excellent, thanks for the information!
[20:12] <didrocks> you're welcome
[20:13] <didrocks> jcastro: beware! crack pushed :)
[20:14] <jcastro> jawesome
[20:14] <jcastro> didrocks: do you mean pushed to the PPA or just in bzr?
[20:14] <didrocks> jcastro: the ppa
[20:14] <jcastro> hero!
[20:14] <didrocks> :)
[20:14] <jcastro> didrocks: ok now you can stop working and go relax, yeesh!
[20:14] <jcastro> (seriously thanks!)
[20:15]  * didrocks hugs jcastro, you're welcome dude
[20:21] <matumba> i prematurely reported a bug, close at will: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/592772
[20:32] <vish> matumba: "prematurely" ?
[20:33] <kklimonda> matumba: you can close your own bugs - just click on its status and choose Invalid
[20:35] <matumba_> i meant that i'm not sure you even care about how unity behaves inside a GNOME session
[20:36] <vish> matumba_: ah , it is supposed to run the UNE session.  anyway , you can click on the drop down and close your own bugs
[20:38] <matumba_> vish, i know, i just left it open in case you'd still be interested in the crash - closing it then :-)
[21:05] <jbicha> starting Pidgin seems to crash the whole Unity/AppMenu thing, has this been reported already?