[00:15] <Mamarok> nixternal: thanks a lot, we went celebrating my last session tonight, and my aunt turned 80 today so we combined that :)
[02:43] <Trouble_> Dolphin keeps crashing for me in beta 2 :-(
[02:44] <Trouble_> Also kmess seems to cause graphical chaos with beta 2
[02:46]  * Trouble_ puts the computer in the bin and goes back to pencil and paper
[03:46] <shtylman> any place I can get a list of all the packages we ship on a cd?
[04:07] <ScottK> shtylman: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/maverick-desktop-i386.manifest
[04:08] <shtylman> ScottK: gracias
[04:08] <ScottK> shtylman: Note that "we ship on a CD" actually encompasses more than that, since that is one image and there are several.
[04:08] <shtylman> I see
[04:09] <ScottK> That gives you the idea though.
[04:10] <shtylman> right... basically want to toy around with some visualization ideas or something
[04:18] <ScottK> Any reason we didn't upload kdepim 4.4.4 to Maverick?
[07:47] <CIA-91> [kdepimlibs] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100611064742-3lyz53za3xuayhkh * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Make -dev replace the lib, since /usr/lib/libkontactinterface.so was in 4.4.4 (PPA release) in the lib and not the -dev package.
[07:49] <CIA-91> [kdepimlibs] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100611064920-cp0fw9l3z244ceaq * debian/patches/kubuntu_01_increase_fail_timeout.patch revert unwanted change
[07:51]  * jussi hi 5's apachelogger
[07:51]  * apachelogger hugs jussi
[08:01] <apachelogger> jussi: wanna give fluffy alpha1 candidate a try?
[08:06] <jussi> apachelogger: not right now, Im at work
[08:08] <apachelogger> jussi: you are not doing that sort of stuff at work? ^^
[08:17] <jussi> is it a new security feature or just a bug that I have to type my user name every login (it used to remember it)?
[08:18] <jussi> apachelogger: not today - its a bit crazy busy atm
[08:19] <valorie> jussi, I noticed the same thing
[08:19] <valorie> slightly annoying
[08:20] <jussi> valorie: I keep typing my password in the user field :/
[08:20] <valorie> same here
[08:20] <valorie> fortunately, my dogs and cat can't read
[08:20] <valorie> lol
[08:20] <jussi> hehe
[08:41] <apachelogger> jussi: more like bug I suppose
[08:41] <apachelogger> you should ask ossi though ^^
[08:41]  * apachelogger always thinks stuff in kdm is a bug but then it turns out ossi meant it to be a security feature :P
[08:43] <valorie> turns out to be the opposite for me
[08:43] <valorie> since I keep typing my passwd in plain text
[08:47] <apachelogger> see, that is a problem, you are tying your password without first checking whether this is the real kdm, by not remember the uname you are not as easily lead to do that...
[08:47] <apachelogger> clearly this is meant to prevent desktop-manager-phising 
[08:49] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[08:53] <valorie> well, I shut down my laptop every night, so when I start it up the next morning, it darn well better be the real kdm!
[08:54] <valorie> unless my cat is evil
[08:54] <valorie> oh, wait
[09:01]  * apachelogger is scared
[09:02] <valorie> we put a bell on her, so she can't sneak up on the birds
[09:02] <valorie> or me, for that matter
[09:03] <valorie> sharp claws, gads
[09:03] <apachelogger> see, scary
[09:04] <valorie> scary, and yet still a cutie
[09:05] <valorie> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1497498&l=6962600b02&id=507013560
[09:08] <ghostcube> o/
[09:23] <agateau> mmm, it seems my package of qt 4.7 with appmenu support does not play well with lucid kde 4.4 :/
[09:24] <agateau> my machine threaten me to remove all of kde if I install the 4.7 packages :/
[09:24] <agateau> are kdelibs packages tied to a specific version of qt
[09:24] <agateau> ?
[09:26] <shadeslayer> ok a bit OT,but which do i install first? Arch or Kubuntu Maverick?
[09:26] <ghostcube> mav
[09:26] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: sure?
[09:26] <ghostcube> think so 
[09:27] <ghostcube> why do you want to install archi o.O
[09:27] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: im distro hopping :)
[09:27] <ghostcube> arch is somehow an ubuntu for snobs :D
[09:27] <ghostcube> lol
[09:28] <ghostcube> shadeslayer: try fc 13 
[09:28] <ghostcube> :)
[09:29] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: heh... im trying it out,lets see how it works out :utut:D
[09:29] <ghostcube> :)
[09:29] <ghostcube> there is an working neveau
[09:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: anything need testing in the installer?
[09:35]  * shadeslayer updates ISO
[10:17] <Riddell> cor, it's a Hobbsee 
[10:19] <Hobbsee> it is!
[10:19] <Hobbsee> upgraded my linode, and it connected all my default channels again
[10:35] <shadeslayer> wheee.... im in maverick :D
[10:35] <shadeslayer> ubiquity is fail though.. if you click on skip frontend dies but install continues :)
[10:42] <apachelogger> Oo
[10:42] <apachelogger> omg
[10:42] <apachelogger> that is not fixed?
[10:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dont think so :)
[10:42] <apachelogger> it is doing that for ages :/
[10:43] <shadeslayer> yeah i did see that on lp 
[10:43] <apachelogger> http://fluffy.jussi01.com/2010/06/10/previews-of-fluffy/
[10:43] <shadeslayer> i wonder if the ubuntu installer has the same issue
[10:44] <apachelogger> prolly not, IIRC the current ubiquity KDE frontend does loads of evil things in order to simulate all sorts of weirdness
[10:45] <jussi> apachelogger: ahh, so tsimpson set you up with a wordpress instance :)
[10:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: that seems a bit harsh
[10:46] <apachelogger> well, it is manually doing QEventLoops
[10:46] <apachelogger> thing is, IIRC all that is just necessary so that no blocking happens when doing things with the backend
[10:47] <apachelogger> then again the UI is _a lot_ of code and I did not bother enough to look that close ;)
[10:47] <apachelogger> jussi: yes he did thanks for doing the hosting \o/
[10:48] <jussi> apachelogger: you want to know something funny? 
[10:48] <apachelogger> I might as well...
[10:48] <jussi> the machine that your website is on.... is a netbook :D
[10:48] <shadeslayer_> hahah :D
[10:48] <apachelogger> that is indeed funny ^^
[10:49] <jussi> see - thats how cool ubuntu is :D
[10:49] <shadeslayer> see even the fluffy website is so light :P
[10:49] <apachelogger> well, it is mostly made out of fluff
[10:49] <apachelogger> cant weigh much
[10:49] <jussi> that machine runs my 6 user quassel core, my blog, fluffy blog a few bots, and soem other niceties
[10:50] <jussi> its rather cool for an atom 270 :D
[10:51] <shadeslayer> jussi: you run it 24x7 ?
[10:51] <shadeslayer> wont it get damaged or something
[10:51] <jussi> shadeslayer: of course!
[10:51] <jussi> no, why would it?
[10:51] <jussi> it sits in the corner, being a good little thing
[10:51] <shadeslayer> overheating/excessive use/etc
[10:51] <jussi> its just a small pc....
[10:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it is not an android phone!
[10:52] <shadeslayer> one of the chips on my mobo died when i kept my laptop on for too much :P
[10:52] <apachelogger> those will melt if in use for more than 1h/d ;)
[10:53] <jussi> apachelogger: no.... 
[10:53] <jussi> I have an android also...
[10:53] <jussi> been thinking of setting something up on that as well :P
[10:53] <shadeslayer> jussi: i bet you run ubottu on it :P
[10:54] <jussi> shadeslayer: ubottu? no way. she is really heavy... 
[10:54] <jussi> she is on some 8 core thing...
[10:54] <shadeslayer> she? \o/
[10:54] <jussi> !gender
[10:54] <shadeslayer> hmm.. i thought i varied :P
[10:55] <apachelogger> oh
[10:55] <shadeslayer> what fun http://pastebin.com/fcgcDhLH
[10:55] <apachelogger> heavy reminds me on large
[10:55] <apachelogger> large reminds me on marble
[10:56] <apachelogger> marble reminds me on fluffy
[10:56] <shadeslayer> oh no
[10:56] <apachelogger> fluffy will come with marble \o/
[10:56] <shadeslayer> ill have to reinstall it seems :(
[10:56] <shadeslayer> unless you guys have a idea as to how to extend my /boot
[10:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did something break?
[10:56] <shadeslayer> i gave it just 32 MB :P
[10:56] <apachelogger> oh
[10:56] <jussi> LOL
[10:56] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhh
[10:56] <apachelogger> Oo
[10:56] <jussi> oops
[10:57] <apachelogger> does the installer not give warnings about that? Oo
[10:57] <shadeslayer> jussi: seems i forgot the 0 in 320 :D
[10:57] <apachelogger> cause it really should do that
[10:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it didnt for me
[10:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug report
[10:57] <shadeslayer> hmm.. yeah
[10:57] <shadeslayer> sure
[10:57] <shadeslayer> to the bug mobile
[10:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also you can probably use some partioner live cd thingy to fiddle with the partition sizes
[10:58] <shadeslayer> i dont suppose i can symlink the kernel :P
[10:58] <apachelogger> well
[10:58] <apachelogger> you could remove the old one I suppose
[10:58] <apachelogger> then install the new one
[10:58] <apachelogger> unless the new one does not fit in at all, then this does of course not help either ^^
[10:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there is just one kernel there
[10:59] <apachelogger> well yeah
[10:59] <shadeslayer> hmm.. will have to file the bug manually :P
[10:59] <apachelogger> one kernel -> remove kernel -> no kernel -> install new kernel -> one kernel
[10:59] <shadeslayer> 2 bugs,one against ubuntu-bug and one against ubiquity
[10:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well.. im about to install arch as well.. so might just increase the size as well
[11:00] <apachelogger> are you sure about that?
[11:00]  * apachelogger would not install arch for real ^^
[11:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure about what?
[11:00] <shadeslayer> oh...
[11:00] <shadeslayer> why not?
[11:00] <apachelogger> breaks too easily
[11:00] <shadeslayer> im open to any adivse :)
[11:00] <apachelogger> especially if you are em and do not know what you are doing ^^
[11:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: vm
[11:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: because its rolling release?
[11:01] <apachelogger> no, because you have to do everything yourself
[11:01] <apachelogger> see in ubuntu you get breakage for free using updates, in arch you even need to do that yourself ;)
[11:01]  * shadeslayer is having second thoughts about this
[11:01] <apachelogger> anyhow
[11:01] <shadeslayer> hehe
[11:01] <apachelogger> I personally would install everything in a vm anyway
[11:01] <shadeslayer> ok ill install kubuntu and KDE svn in kubuntu :D
[11:02] <apachelogger> have a xen or something and then stack other stuff ontop of that
[11:02] <apachelogger> then again my laptop does not do hardware virtualization, so I am not doing that ^^
[11:02] <jussi> [13:03:51] <apachelogger> see in ubuntu you get breakage for free using updates, in arch you even need to do that yourself ;) <--- great quote!
[11:02] <apachelogger> jussi: awardworthy?
[11:03] <mfraz74> is anyone else here using knode?
[11:03] <jussi> apachelogger: almost
[11:03] <apachelogger> dang, need to try harder
[11:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just a quick question,suppose i boot a xen kernel,i can virtualise windows directly onto that? no need to open a VM ?
[11:03] <apachelogger> mfraz74: at times
[11:03] <mfraz74> apachelogger: have you tried using it since KDE 4.5?
[11:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dunno, to make full use it requires the guest system to support fancy stuff
[11:03] <apachelogger> mfraz74: no
[11:03] <apachelogger> dont we use knode from 4.4?
[11:04] <mfraz74> apachelogger: yes we are, but i'm seeing this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/592356
[11:05] <apachelogger> mfraz74: looking just fine here
[11:06] <mfraz74> apachelogger: oh, any idea what could be causing it?
[11:06] <apachelogger> a buggy iconloader
[11:06] <apachelogger> thing is
[11:06]  * shadeslayer shuns arch linux... huggles kubuntu
[11:06] <apachelogger> question is... why do you have a question mark there?
[11:08] <mfraz74> I don't know why the question mark is there, perhaps the icon is missing?
[11:10] <mfraz74> just purged the package and reinstalled it, no change
[11:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: bug 592594
[11:12] <shadeslayer> ok going to reinstall with bigger /boot ;)
[11:12] <jussi> sigh... plasma crashed
[11:12] <jussi> how do I get it back again?
[11:13] <apachelogger> wait
[11:13] <apachelogger> drkonqi should relaunch it
[11:13] <mfraz74> Alt-f2 plasma-desktop
[11:13] <jussi> it didnt come back the second time :(
[11:14] <apachelogger> oh
[11:14] <apachelogger> then do what mfraz74 sez :P
[11:14] <jussi> thanks mfraz74
[11:14] <mfraz74> i used to get that when using quick launch
[11:14] <apachelogger> mfraz74: maybe you should strace knode
[11:14] <jussi> ok, segfaults trying to use the quick access plasmoid
[11:15] <apachelogger> ah
[11:15] <apachelogger> <3 plasma
[11:15] <mfraz74> apachelogger: how do i do that?
[11:15]  * jussi installs the debug symbols...
[11:15] <apachelogger> a) quit kontact b) strace -f -o knodestrace.log knode
[11:15] <apachelogger> ensure such a question mark is visible
[11:15] <apachelogger> then close it
[11:15] <apachelogger> and inspect knodestrace.log
[11:16] <apachelogger> it seems /usr/share/kde4/apps/knode/pics/posting.png is the icon it should be looking for/finding
[11:16] <jussi> cripes I wish that stupid "details" from kpackage kit would get fixed or go away...
[11:16] <apachelogger> jussi: that segfault is probably because of binary incompability
[11:16] <apachelogger> in case you recently upgraded somewhere
[11:17] <jussi> apachelogger: oh :(
[11:17] <jussi> apachelogger: Im running the beta.
[11:17] <apachelogger> yeah
[11:17] <apachelogger> quickaccess prolly needs a rebuild
[11:18] <jussi> ok, so lex79 or shadeslayer prodding? or someone else?
[11:18] <mfraz74> posting.png doesn't appear to be in the log
[11:19] <mfraz74> i'm getting lines like this stat64("/usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/actions/l10n", 0x9a41ce4) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) though
[11:20] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:20] <apachelogger> that is an odd line
[11:20] <apachelogger> mfraz74: plz attach the log to the bug report
[11:21] <mfraz74> apachelogger: done
[11:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: didnt I fix bug 564263 :/
[11:24] <ghostcube> hmmm ok guys i going to update to beta2 in 4 hours
[11:24] <ghostcube> :D
[11:24]  * apachelogger needs to backports krake's advanced fix anyway
[11:26] <jussi> apachelogger: is this backtrace any use? http://paste.ubuntu.com/448186/
[11:26] <mfraz74> apachelogger: could it have something to do with the kde-l10n packages? I'm using engb
[11:27] <shadeslayer> i can haz k.... again :D
[11:33] <jussi> shadeslayer: apachelogger just mentioned to me that the quickaccess plasmoid probably needs a rebuild - do you think you could do it and pop it into the beta ppa?
[11:33] <jussi> (it currently crashes plasma for me)
[11:33] <shadeslayer> jussi: yeah same here :)
[11:33] <apachelogger> mfraz74: odd enough it does not appear in my strace at all ^^
[11:33] <apachelogger> there must be some caching going on
[11:33] <shadeslayer> jussi: i think ill have to upload a new package :)
[11:34] <jussi> shadeslayer: probably
[11:34] <shadeslayer> jussi: any idea on how to import ssh keys from lp?
[11:34] <mfraz74> apachelogger: which locale are you using?
[11:34] <shadeslayer> dont feel like generating one :P
[11:35] <apachelogger> mfraz74: none
[11:35] <jussi> shadeslayer: Im guessing you only uploaded a public key, which aint much use to you...
[11:35] <shadeslayer> hmm
[11:36] <apachelogger> mfraz74: changing to german doesnt change anything though
[11:36] <apachelogger> mfraz74: maybe you should nuke .kde/cache-*/kpc*
[11:36] <apachelogger> or all cache for that matter
[11:37] <shadeslayer> jussi: lemme just get this machine setup and ill upload new package :)
[11:37] <jussi> shadeslayer: thanks!
[11:37] <shadeslayer> fortunately i got my pgg/gpg keys saved :D
[11:38] <shadeslayer> jussi: yaw :)
[11:39] <apachelogger> ^^
[11:40] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[11:40] <mfraz74> apachelogger: still getting the large icons
[11:41] <apachelogger> well
[11:41] <apachelogger> iDunno
[11:41] <apachelogger> mfraz74: try #kontact
[11:41]  * apachelogger thinks about writing a fedex tracker plasmoid
[11:41] <mfraz74> apachelogger: isn't there a website you can go to for that?
[11:42] <apachelogger> http://www.fedex.com/desktop/
[11:42] <apachelogger> brrr
[11:42] <apachelogger> mfraz74: sure but that is no fun
[11:42] <ScottK> anyone here know about pkg-config?
[11:42] <ScottK> kdeedu needs a newer libindi, which I uploaded, but it still doesn't see, apparently because it doesn't do pkg-config right.
[11:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you add my new ssh key to ktown? im uploading in a few mins
[11:43] <apachelogger> cando
[11:43]  * apachelogger tries adobe air
[11:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thats just eww
[11:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it works perfectly in gnome... not in kde
[11:44] <apachelogger> well it used kdesudo for starters
[11:44] <apachelogger> that is a good thing
[11:44] <apachelogger> + I only need it so that I can reverse engineer the fedex desktop tracker thingy ^^
[11:45] <apachelogger> and it uses kwallet too
[11:45] <Riddell> ScottK: I've a feeling there is something else where can use gpsd you know
[11:45] <apachelogger> and then nothing :/
[11:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Me too, but I can't recall where.
[11:46] <apachelogger> right, the adobe air installer is a zombie -.-
[11:48] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm doing a full checkout of Debian's KDE packaging svn.  I'll grep it and see.
[11:48] <apachelogger> oh my
[11:48] <Riddell> ScottK: ./kdeedu/kdeedu-4.4.85/marble/src/lib/CMakeLists.txt:
[11:48] <Riddell> that's the one
[11:49] <Riddell> ./kdeedu/kdeedu-4.4.85/marble/src/plugins/positionprovider/CMakeLists.txt:find_package(libgps)
[11:49] <ScottK> Of course.  Right after I upload the kdeedu FTBFS fix ...
[11:49] <ScottK> That would make sense.
[11:49] <ScottK> Thanks.
[11:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: new key is up on launchpad.net/~rohangarg
[11:51] <ScottK> Riddell: That's the only one (my checkout finished).
[11:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: chang0red
[11:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thanks :)
[11:52] <shadeslayer> i hope ssh keys can be exported...
[11:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: just needs a rebuild right?
[11:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the folderview plasmoid is in kdebase-workspace? or plasma-widget-addons?
[11:55] <shadeslayer> ah nvm
[11:55] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, a rebuild against the new plasma I guess.
[11:56] <Riddell> ScottK: there's no pkg-config file in libindi-dev
[11:56] <jussi> shadeslayer: its the quick access plasmoid remember
[11:56] <shadeslayer> jussi: ah ok
[11:57] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm, FindIndi seems to use a strange mix of pkg-config and looking for .h files, usually it's one or the other
[11:58] <ScottK> Riddell: Any chance you could beat it into using the .h?
[11:58] <Riddell> ScottK: let me look
[11:58] <ScottK> Thanks.
[11:58] <ScottK> Then you'd be well positioned to add the libgps-dev build-dep too ...
[11:59] <Riddell> true true
[12:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: which package does the quickaccess plasmoid figure in?
[12:02] <Riddell> don't know off the top of my head
[12:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: plasma-widget-quickaccess
[12:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: it has a package to itself? ok
[12:03] <shadeslayer> jussi: can you tell me the version you have to the plasmoid?
[12:04] <jussi> 0.8.1-0ubuntu4
[12:04] <jussi> 0.8.1-0ubuntu4
[12:05] <shadeslayer> ah ok..
[12:06] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/7mT7jl.html \o/
[12:06]  * apachelogger is the uber plasmoid haxx0r
[12:09] <ghostcube> calls apachelogger Mr. Pink from now on
[12:09] <ghostcube> -.-
[12:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: gsoc welcome basket?
[12:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: aye
[12:12] <apachelogger> ghostcube: cool
[12:12] <ghostcube> yeah... reservoir dog :P
[12:12]  * apachelogger is wondering how to process WSDL in plasma :/
[12:17] <ScottK> lex79: How goes the fun with symbol files?
[12:17] <ScottK> qtwebkit on armel is having symbol issues too apparently.
[12:18] <Riddell> that probably needs me or NCommander to fix unless anyone else has the hardware/PPA access
[12:18]  * NCommander sighs, wishing he had some FTBFS fixing time
[12:18] <ScottK> OK.
[12:20] <apachelogger> well then
[12:21] <ScottK> NCommander: How about a rescore for kdepimlibs then?
[12:22]  * apachelogger cannot do fedex plasmoid unless someone comes up with sensible idea on processing WSDL
[12:22]  * apachelogger aint is not going to do no html parsing
[12:24] <shadeslayer> jussi: uploading to ninja ppa,it will get a higher build score,will copy over to beta when done ;)
[12:24] <jussi> shadeslayer: thank you!
[12:24] <shadeslayer> now why didnt the dialog pop up for the part where it signs the changes file.... 
[12:25] <shadeslayer> gpg-agent... how do i configure that now..
[12:25] <shadeslayer> jussi: np
[12:27] <Riddell> _Sime: what's the state of the marble python bindings?
[12:29] <ScottK> Riddell: For that matter, any thoughts about xplanet or avagadro in Main (I'm assuming R is out)?
[12:31] <Riddell> ScottK: R is out, I seem to remember xplanet is too
[12:31] <Riddell> what's avagadro for?  didn't see that
[12:31] <Riddell> buildlog says it is located on my system
[12:31] <ScottK> It's in Universe though
[12:32] <Riddell> I wonder why the build log thinks I have it installed then
[12:33] <Riddell> hmm, seems I do have libavogadro1 installed
[12:33] <Riddell> ah, it's in the build-depends
[12:33] <Riddell> no mention in changelog
[12:34] <ScottK> Molecular Graphics and Modelling System
[12:34] <ScottK> IIRC it was once part of kdeedu and then was split out.
[12:34] <Riddell> really?  no MIR needed if that's the case
[12:34] <mfraz74> apachelogger: i've just tried opening knode as a different user on this computer and the icons are ok. tried removing all knode configs, but still have problems with this user
[12:36] <ScottK> Let me investigate
[12:37] <ScottK> It appears I remember incorrectly.
[12:37] <Riddell> ScottK: kdeedu in 4.4.3 had kalzium/libavogadro-kalzium
[12:37] <Riddell> but it's not the same as avogadro
[12:37] <Riddell> maybe it's a copy of some parts of avogadro
[12:38] <shadeslayer> jussi: im copying the packages now,can you test them
[12:38] <jussi> shadeslayer: nice. thanks
[12:39] <Riddell> yes looks like a copy of libavogadro/src/dddd
[12:39] <Riddell> so MIR needed there then
[12:40] <shadeslayer> jussi: hmm.. theyre still waiting to be published... :)
[12:40] <ScottK> Anyone up for doing a MIR?
[12:41] <shadeslayer> ScottK: sure
[12:41] <shadeslayer> the bug filing part i can do :)
[12:41] <ScottK> Need you to do the writing part too.
[12:41] <ScottK> avogardo ...
[12:41] <shadeslayer> ScottK: the description? ok np
[12:41] <ScottK> Ahh.
[12:41] <ScottK> avagadro <---
[12:42] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^
[12:42] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:42] <apachelogger> mfraz74: try logging out - nuking the cache - login back in
[12:42] <shadeslayer> ScottK: what do we need it for?
[12:43] <shadeslayer> jussi: package copied
[12:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: build-depends for kdeedu.
[12:44] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[12:46] <shadeslayer> oh noes.. i forgot to sync all my git and svn checkouts to my HD -.-
[12:46] <shadeslayer> ok brb.. nvidia wants a reboot :)
[12:47] <mfraz74> apachelogger: fixed it. i hadn't realised .kde/cache-* was a  link to  /var/tmp/kdecache-* removing that folder fixed the icons
[12:51] <mfraz74> sorry for wasting your time
[13:00] <mfraz74> is the quickaccess bug being looked into or do I need to file a bug here https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/quickaccess/ ?
[13:06] <shadeslayer> hmmmm ... no show desktop plasmoid anymore?
[13:06] <shadeslayer> jussi: did the upgrade work?
[13:06] <jussi> shadeslayer: on a conference call
[13:06] <shadeslayer> oh no problem :)
[13:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: where did the show desktop plasmoid go in maverick?
[13:10] <Mamarok> apachelogger: their reasoning is completely falwed, pretending that they are respecting freedesktop.org policy, and at the sametime blatantly violate that by overriding the chosen theme by ugly monochrome svgs in /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/icons/
[13:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't know
[13:21] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:35] <shadeslayer> ScottK: bug 592640
[13:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: should i push the changes for kdeaccessiblity in my bzr branch? ( the transitional package )
[13:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'd prefer a debdiff somewhere if I'm going to sponsor it.
[14:00] <Riddell> his bzr branch would be the diff surely
[14:03] <shadeslayer> lex79: ping
[14:03] <shadeslayer> btw for maverick,in the changelog , do i write unstable or unreleased
[14:04] <Riddell> not unstable, that's Debian
[14:04] <Riddell> if it's unreleased use UNRELEASED
[14:04] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[14:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You need to list the MIR questions and answers in the bug one by one.
[14:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes, but I do better with diff and patch than bzr and merging.
[14:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: oh ...
[14:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No problem. Just edit the bug.
[14:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: will do in a second :)
[14:10] <shadeslayer> bzr crashes with this : http://pastebin.com/VnUWUV1d
[14:11] <ScottK> Cool.  I'd file a bug.
[14:11] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:11] <shadeslayer> doing that as well :P
[14:12] <shadeslayer> apart from that there was a kernel panic as well :D
[14:24] <shadeslayer> ScottK: does this look ok : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeaccessibility/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/control
[14:24] <shadeslayer> the new transitional package for kttsd
[14:28] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Doesn't need shlibs and jovie should conflict/replace << 4:4.85.0
[14:29] <shadeslayer> ok... will update that 
[14:29] <ScottK> shadeslayer: For the description, you keep the old kttsd description and just add the "This is a transitional package ..." at the end.
[14:29] <shadeslayer> ScottK: kttsd doesnt need shlibs right?
[14:30] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Correct
[14:30] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Also the depends for kdeaccessbility need updating.  It should depend on all the other binaries (except not the transitional package).
[14:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: so i just add the binary package names in the depends section right?
[14:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes.
[14:36] <ScottK> Riddell: kdeedu in New and it's my upload, so would you please have a look.
[14:37] <shadeslayer> hehe.. MIR page has a incorrect link to debians policy manual :P
[14:40] <Riddell> ~
[14:40] <Riddell> ScottK: err, really? what's new?
[14:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Didn't look.
[14:41]  * ScottK just fixed the build.
[14:41] <shadeslayer> is pdo down>
[14:47] <Riddell> ScottK: your indi package has a debian/ directory in the .orig tar
[14:47] <ScottK> Riddell: That's how upstream ships it.
[14:47] <ScottK> I just threw ours over it.
[14:48] <Riddell> fair enough, I prefer removing it from the tar in such cases
[14:49] <Riddell> it makes the evil .ex files reappear when you download it
[14:49] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137047 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/backend.h ++apidox
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> If you use source format 3.0, it'll automagically remove upstream debian dirs
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> when packing the source
[14:50] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok bug 592640 updated
[14:52] <shadeslayer> ScottK: and new control file for accessibility http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeaccessibility/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/control
[14:52] <Riddell> ScottK: there's no requirement to list the MIR questions and answers in the bug one by one these days
[14:53] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I thought it was just doing that in the bug and not on a wiki.
[14:55] <lex79> ScottK: I'm back, I can do symbol stuff now ;)
[14:55] <ScottK> lex79: Great.
[14:55] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I think the MIR bug is good.
[14:55] <shadeslayer> ScottK: :D
[14:56] <shadeslayer> ScottK: theres a missing , in the control file after jovie.. im pushing that change now
[14:56] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Great.  I was just typing about that.
[14:57] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:57] <shadeslayer> done
[14:57] <shadeslayer> ScottK: everything else good to go?
[14:57]  * ScottK looks again.
[14:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer: The short description for kttsd should be the old one too.
[14:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hmm.. ok,i wasnt sure about that,so i didnt make that change
[14:59] <ScottK> No problem.
[15:00] <shadeslayer> ScottK: btw : a Text-to-Speech system for KDE can be changed to :  A Text-to-Speech system for KDE
[15:01] <shadeslayer> trivial change.... ;)
[15:01] <shadeslayer> or do we keep it because we dont want delta with debian
[15:02] <ScottK> I'd keep it the same.
[15:03] <shadeslayer> anything else?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> new changes are up :)
[15:04]  * Riddell gets round to kde-l10n
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw can you sponsor a upload of the VLC backend of phonon?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> doesnt seem to be in the repo
[15:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I thought it was waiting on a newer vlc version
[15:08] <Riddell> debfx had it in his PPA
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seems to have built in the PPA
[15:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 
[15:09] <shadeslayer> https://edge.launchpad.net/~debfx/+archive/experimental/+packages
[15:10] <Riddell> that doesn't mean it works :)
[15:10] <shadeslayer> heeh
[15:10]  * shadeslayer tests
[15:11] <Riddell> he has vlc 1.1 in there which isn't in maverick
[15:11] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[15:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can you fire up your ktorrent an seed fluffy?
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: seeding
[15:17] <apachelogger> perfect
[15:17] <apachelogger> thx
[15:17]  * apachelogger is feeling hot today :/
[15:17] <JontheEchidna> no prob
[15:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: weather graz, austria
[15:17] <kubotu> Weather info for Graz-Andritz, Graz, Austria (updated on 4:15 PM CEST on June 11, 2010); Temperature: 95.0 F / 35.0 C; Humidity: -999%; Wind: North at -; Pressure: - (Falling); Conditions: Clear; Sunrise: 5:03 AM CEST; Sunset: 8:52 PM CEST; Moon Rise: 3:45 AM CEST; Moon Set: 8:14 PM CEST; Moon Phase: Waning Crescent
[15:17] <apachelogger> look at the humidity!!!
[15:17] <apachelogger> omg
[15:18] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137060 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (backend.h worker/worker.cpp) (log message trimmed)
[15:18] <CIA-91> Use pkgCache::FindPkg() instead of our hown-grown "iterate through all packages
[15:18] <CIA-91> to find the one we want, comparing by name" method. Cuts the amount of nested
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> No leechers connected to me yet, though :(
[15:19] <shadeslayer> kubotu: weather Gurgaon,India
[15:19] <apachelogger> this trackerless torrenting is very weird IMHO
[15:19] <kubotu> Weather info for New Delhi, India (updated on 7:00 PM IST on June 11, 2010); Temperature: 102 F / 39 C; Humidity: 20%; Dew Point: 54 F / 12 C; Wind: NW at 12 mph / 18 km/h; Pressure: 29.50 in / 999 hPa (Steady); Conditions: Unknown; Yesterday's Cooling Degree Days: 31 approx.; Sunrise: 5:24 AM IST; Sunset: 7:19 PM IST; Moon Rise: 3:59 AM IST; Moon Set: 6:24 PM IST; Moon Phase: Waning Crescent
[15:19] <apachelogger> I have two dudes from linuxtag connected to me it seems
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: weather concord, new hampshire
[15:19] <kubotu> Weather info for Concord, New Hampshire (updated on 9:58 AM EDT on June 11, 2010); Temperature: 57 F / 14 C; Humidity: 88%; Dew Point: 54 F / 12 C; Wind: Variable at 5 mph / 7 km/h; Pressure: 30.17 in / 1022 hPa (Steady); Conditions: Overcast; Visibility: 10.0 miles / 16.1 kilometers; UV: 2 out of 16; Clouds: Mostly Cloudy (BKN) : 1300 ft / 396 m  Overcast (OVC) : 2100 ft / 640 m; Yesterday's Maximum: 58 F / 14 C;
[15:19] <kubotu> Yesterday's Minimum: 52 F / 11 C; Yesterday's Heating Degree Days: 10; Sunrise: 5:05 AM EDT; Sunset: 8:25 PM EDT; Moon Rise: 4:00 AM EDT; Moon Set: 8:01 PM EDT; Moon Phase: Waning Crescent
[15:19] <apachelogger> yet they apparently do not interchange data
[15:19] <apachelogger> VERY WEIRD
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> I don't think anybody's interchaning data. sebner and I weren't yesterday :(
[15:20] <apachelogger> that would make me the only node though
[15:21] <apachelogger> which is probably not the point of torrenting
[15:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: when you redownload the torrent, does this change anything?
[15:21]  * apachelogger figures that maybe people are not on the same dht nodes
[15:21] <apachelogger> although I think the nodes should also be interchanging hashes *shrug*
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: where's the torrent again?
[15:22] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/fluffy-snapshot.torrent
[15:22] <apachelogger> in my networking lecture we learned how gnutella works.... but not a word about torrent
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> ok. let's see
[15:22] <apachelogger> this is all very dated IMHO
[15:23] <Riddell> I always thought gnutella was just a way of annoying AOL rather than anything which worked
[15:24] <apachelogger> well it is a very inefficient protocol, I know that much... it is a bit like distributed hash tables just not really ... so yeah, it is probably just a way of annoying AOL ^^
[15:24] <Riddell> [15:24:09] got bad file info - bad torrent file - announce is invalid
[15:24] <Riddell> fluffy not working :(
[15:27] <alleehol> kaddressbook/akonadi: fresh lucid install + 4.4.4 upgrade.  New user, first login, start kontact:   no resource agents found
[15:28] <alleehol> Looks like akonadi has trouble since 4.4.4.   Was more or less fine in 4.4.2 and 4.4.3 :( 
[15:28] <alleehol> ups, wrong channel :(
[15:28] <alleehol> err, right channel.  c&p ;)
[15:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have DHT turned on?
[15:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: still no peers?
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> nope
[15:33]  * apachelogger goes reading about dht then ^^
[15:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: tried manual announce?
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> trying
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> I can manually add a peer given an IP address and port
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> (The UPnP port)
[15:34] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_(protocol)#Distributed_trackers
[15:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: whatever is dht?
[15:35] <shadeslayer> any kubuntu packages that need love?
[15:35] <shadeslayer> ScottK: btw should i ask for a merge of accessibility?
[15:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: that what the wikipedia page talks about
[15:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Sure.
[15:35]  * ScottK is willing to experiment.
[15:36] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: usually with torrents you need a central node that manages all sharing parties (that thing is called tracker) ... with dht you have a distributed approach with a node cloud and no tracker
[15:36] <apachelogger> currenlty however usually one would use a combination of both
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> switches > if... else if
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> ...and this would make more sense if CIA were faster. ;)
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> lart CIA-91
[15:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: man, you do not make sense :P
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> ~lart CIA-91
[15:38] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137069 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp Use a switch statement here to make things a bit more readable.
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeaccessibility/ubuntu/+merge/27365
[15:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what happens when you try adding 84.119.15.193 as peer?
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what's the port?
[15:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: 6881 I suppose
[15:41] <JontheEchidna> (Clicking Add doesnt' do anything with the default port :(
[15:42] <apachelogger> now also with udp for the utp protocol ;)
[15:42] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Now that I see the diff, why did you move jovie to the bottom of debian/control?
[15:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: odd
[15:42] <apachelogger> Fr. Jun 11 16:42:24 2010: UTP: established connection with [::ffff:173.9.*.*]:31230
[15:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: suppose this is you?
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> I guess
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> I just saw a peer, but then it disappeared in a flash
[15:43] <apachelogger> New Hampshire ^^
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> yep yep
[15:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe seeders do not show up in the peer list
[15:44] <apachelogger> also I wonder why we are connected via utp ^^
[15:44] <apachelogger> do you see a german peer?
[15:49]  * ScottK is suprised to see apachelogger view anyone as a peer.
[15:49] <apachelogger> huh?
[15:50] <ScottK> You're generally fairly clear on your overall wonderfullness.
[15:50] <ScottK> (peer is an overloaded term in this case)
[15:51] <apachelogger> member peer cannot be overloaded in this context
[15:51] <apachelogger> anyhow
[15:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: I was meaning that JontheEchidna would see a peer :P
[15:51] <apachelogger> I do only have "Gegenstellen" here
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: KTorrent isn't listing any peers, either connected or in my swarm
[15:52] <apachelogger> you are a poor man, without any peers :(
[15:52] <apachelogger> well, I do not get it
[15:52] <apachelogger> you are clearly connected to me
[15:52] <apachelogger> and I am connected to fregl
[15:53] <apachelogger> applying sane logic one would be led to assume that me and you would be exchanging fregl as peer
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> I'm not even seeing that I am connected to you O.o
[15:53] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hmm.. is it necessary to have it in the same place?
[15:53] <apachelogger> but apparenlty torrent is not working that way
[15:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, we are not exchanging data
[15:53] <apachelogger> I am just pinging you every once in a while
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> ah
[15:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Rhonda told me that it would be better if the new package was at the bottom....
[15:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: You can put them anywhere, but putting them last is a good idea.
[15:55] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137073 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp Don't say we've finished updating the cache succesfully if we've really failed.
[15:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: We want to minimize the diff with Debian on this, so what we want is to maintain the package order they have. It is kdeaccessibility, kde-icons-mono, kmag, kmouth, kttsd, kmousetool, and kdeaccessibility-dbg.
[15:58] <ScottK> I'd add jovie just above kttsd.
[15:58] <shadeslayer> hmm ok ill change that.. or will you do it in bzr?
[15:59] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Please do it.  Also mention your kdeaccessibilty depends change in debian/changelog
[16:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, I do not get this
[16:01] <apachelogger> next snapshot shall be with tracker
[16:02] <JontheEchidna> ^.^
[16:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok
[16:03] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137074 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp Forgot this bit...
[16:03] <apachelogger> omg
[16:03] <Riddell> ScottK, shadeslayer: indi updated and kdeedu updated for various things, waiting on avogato MIR to upload
[16:03] <apachelogger> do not go into the module config of new ktorrent
[16:03] <apachelogger> it will run away
[16:03] <apachelogger> like amarok's script manager does
[16:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: :)
[16:04]  * apachelogger builds new fluffy image
[16:05]  * apachelogger also lies down for a bit because this heat is making him super tired
[16:05] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please fish kdeedu out of binary New for the mean time?
[16:06] <Riddell> fooey, got half way through doing that then forgot
[16:06] <Riddell> done
[16:06] <ScottK> Riddell: Release team meeting.  Are you going to speak for Kubuntu or do you want me to cover it.
[16:06] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:07] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i did add a line about the depends :     - Modify depends of kdeaccessibility to include jovie
[16:07] <ScottK> Great.
[16:07] <Riddell> ScottK: I can do it
[16:08] <ScottK> OK
[16:08]  * Riddell puts kdevelop into main and back on the DVD
[16:10]  * ScottK grumbles about missinng the publisher by 3 minutes.
[16:11] <khindenburg_> Anyone running KDE SC 4.5 beta2 on lucid comment on kde bug 241435 (ie can't run konsole from command-line)?
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> I've seen that with other apps. It's not a konsole-specific bug.
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> plus it doesn't prevent the loading of anything
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> QMetaObject::invokeMethod: No such method DolphinApplication::loadCommandLineOptionsForNewInstance()
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> probably a kcmdlines bug or somesuch
[16:14] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeaccessibility/ubuntu/+merge/27372
[16:15] <khindenburg_> JontheEchidna: ok, txs...so the app still starts
[16:16] <shadeslayer> brb after reboot
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> khindenburg_: yeah. No loss of functionality either, just an annoying message.
[16:21] <Riddell> ScottK: got to run out for 10 mins, if we get called at the meeting I put notes at the end of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:22] <ScottK> Will do
[16:23]  * JontheEchidna notes that rekonq is also blocked on its own MIR
[16:25] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Please add it to the wiki.
[16:31] <lex79> ScottK: btw about qtwebkit on armel, if you don't want ftbs on armel, just add  -V -u-c0 in dh_makelibs in rules, like we do for the other KDE packages
[16:31] <lex79> that means don't fail in case of missing symbols
[16:31] <ScottK> lex79: Thanks.
[16:32]  * ScottK looks at Riddell for that one.
[16:32] <lex79> no problem
[16:33] <shadeslayer> lex79: i read your statement as " if you want ftbfs on armel.... " and i went \o/
[16:33] <lex79> :)
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what happens if i do : sudo killall fluffiness on fluffy? :)(
[16:36] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: oh btw remember that strigi indexing bug? on lucid.. the one for which there is a new kubuntu-default-settings in lucid?
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> yes
[16:36] <shadeslayer> you might want to port it to maverick as well
[16:36] <shadeslayer> strigi is enabled by default on login
[16:36] <JontheEchidna> I think we should take a "wait and see" approach with maverick, since it's still in the alphas
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> if there's no improvement by beta2 or so it should be disabled for final release
[16:37] <shadeslayer> hmm ok.. just thought you might want to know
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[16:46] <ghostcube> hmmm 4.5 is buggy but looks nice :)
[16:55] <apparle> guys  whoever has done firefox integration, I would suggest, it is better to notify when "download is over" rather than "Downloading"
[17:00] <JontheEchidna> !find /usr/lib/kde4/kcal_akonadi.so
[17:03] <ScottK> Looks like ia64 is back in business.
[17:29] <shadeslayer> lex79: http://pastebin.com/XCv102jv
[17:30] <lex79> kdelibs4-dev ?
[17:30] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:32] <lex79> I don't know if we still support issues with kdelibs 3
[17:32] <shadeslayer> hmm.. 
[17:33] <ScottK> lex79: It's in Universe, so it's community supported.
[17:33] <shadeslayer> lex79: btw any idea where the show desktop plasmoid has vanished ?
[17:33] <ScottK> shadeslayer: What's the pastebin from?
[17:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: sudo apt-get install kdelibs4-dev
[17:34] <ScottK> So kdelibs5-plugins needs to replace kdelibs4-dev.
[17:34] <shadeslayer> seems so...
[17:36] <ScottK> We should also probably remove that file from kdelibs4-dev.  I don't think we support KDE3 kateparts anymore.
[17:36]  * ScottK hopes Riddell remembers.
[17:40]  * shadeslayer goes and reads more Qt
[18:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: mind trying http://aplg.kollide.net/tracker/torrents/fluffy-alternate-alpha1.iso.torrent
[18:10] <apachelogger> that beasty should have 2 peers right now
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> k
[18:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hey :)
[18:19] <apachelogger> oh
[18:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: now I seem connected to you and kollide 
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> I see two other leechers, but I'm not connected to them
[18:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you o/
[18:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yo o/
[18:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw im starting to learn Qt with Qt creator... any thoughts?
[18:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you tick the allow-not-encrypted-connections box?
[18:20] <apachelogger> since we too are using encrypted and you did not successfully establish with anyone but me
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yes
[18:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you know cpp?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> aha! a peer!
[18:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: then I recommend you just dive into a projcet ;)
[18:21] <apachelogger> Qt is very intuitive
[18:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe i would like to learn the functions and clases first
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> I'm connected to www.kollide.net as a leecher
[18:22] <apachelogger> perfect
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> just took it a bit to find me I guess
[18:23] <apachelogger> well, kollide is using bittorando, which happens to be written in python, do I do not trust python anymore :/
[18:23] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:23] <apachelogger> I am also using 512kb chunks now, that should make sharing easier
[18:24]  * shadeslayer started with http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7-snapshot/widgets-tutorial.html
[18:24] <apachelogger> oh ok
[18:25] <apachelogger> not bad to read that I suppose
[18:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also if it is not covered, you should read on a bit about signals&slots
[18:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah theyre covered too :)
[18:25]  * JontheEchidna is seeding at half a megabyte a second :D
[18:25] <shadeslayer> will move to that when i get the hang of widgets :)
[18:26] <apachelogger> well, then I think you know the most important bits already
[18:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, if there are questions ask here or in #kde-devel or #qt
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the C++ part?
[18:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: already in all 3 channels :P
[18:27] <apachelogger> signals&slots and layouts are IMHO the most important topics
[18:27] <apachelogger> then comes parenthood I suppose, since it makes heap usage so much easier :)
[18:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: \o/ thanks
[18:28]  * apachelogger hopes that things should be a bit faster now that kollide can take part in the swarm
[18:28] <JontheEchidna> I can only get the speeds approaching 1 MB/s at the office though.
[18:29] <JontheEchidna> so I can seed at these speeds for another 2.5 hrs or so
[18:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you might want to finish what you started with bug 509772
[18:30] <apachelogger> hm
[18:30] <apachelogger> will not get to that before summer I am afraid
[18:30] <shadeslayer> might as well leave a comment then :)
[18:30] <apachelogger> also to make aseigo a bit happier ggadgets for plasma are top prio for me ;)
[18:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, you could get started on the MIRs if you want to
[18:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: which MIR ?
[18:31] <apachelogger> packages mediastreamer (2.3.0) and libortp are not set in build depend
[18:31] <apachelogger> possibly more (dependein on what those 2 thingies need)
[18:33] <shadeslayer_> bah... stupid power surge
[18:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: didnt get any messages after packages mediastreamer (2.3.0) and libortp are not set in build depend
[18:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well.. i can work on the kopete package... if its only a matter of build deps
[18:34]  * shadeslayer assigns bug to self 
[18:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so kopete _does_ have gtalk call support? \o/
[18:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see my comment
[18:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am not sure of what quality it is though
[18:37] <apachelogger> which probably should be looked into first
[18:37] <apachelogger> since upstream was not terribly promotive of this feature I am thinking it is more of a walking proof of concept *shrug*
[18:37] <apachelogger> Tm_T: any info on that ^
[18:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: gah...
[18:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will have a look...
[18:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think the linuxtag people are out drinking already, so no worries there :)
[18:38] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how I miss being @ LT :/
[18:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are awesome
[18:38]  * apachelogger hugs shadeslayer
[18:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: werent you supposed to be there?
[18:39]  * shadeslayer hugs back 
[18:39] <apachelogger> nope
[18:39] <shadeslayer> hmm... 
[18:39]  * apachelogger is all tied up in work unfortunately
[18:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: s/work/gsoc
[18:39] <apachelogger> studies work, gsoc work, other work work
[18:39] <apachelogger> that reminds me that I still need to fix a bug in my tcp implementation ^^
[18:40] <shadeslayer> hmm.. rekonq might be getting a URL like rekonq.kde.org.... maybe even a new site :)
[18:40] <shadeslayer> they really ought to upload a new kopete image on http://kopete.kde.org/
[18:41] <apachelogger> so that name is gonna stick?
[18:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: they need to get rid of that site
[18:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: probably... there hasnt been much discussion about the name
[18:41] <apachelogger> merge it in the kde userbase
[18:41] <shadeslayer> probably...
[18:41] <shadeslayer>  hah.. latest news dates back to 2008 :P
[18:44] <apachelogger> yay my gsoc package is in paris \o/
[18:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is why, konqueror website has same problem
[18:44] <apachelogger> indeed most of the *.kde.org websites do (those that are still around that is)
[18:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i shot off a mail to the Kopete ML,lets see what they say :)
[18:50] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: did you get my last message?
[18:50] <apachelogger> yes
[18:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: perfect
[18:50] <shadeslayer_> awesome :)
[18:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you might consider getting a quassel account on a server btw :)
[18:52] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: hmm.. where do i get one of those?
[18:52] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: actually the modem cable got disconnected.. its a bit loose...
[18:52] <shadeslayer_> ><
[18:53] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Probably talk nice to jussi.
[18:53] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[18:53] <apachelogger> <3 jussi
[18:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you probably need to bribe him with cookies
[18:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: um... https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeaccessibility/ubuntu/+merge/27365 is still not merged,can you take a look?
[18:54] <jussi> nah, Im full with quassel accounts - Ive 6 on my server and 50GB of db...
[18:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you happen to know whether there is progress on the soundmenu thingy?
[18:54]  * shadeslayer bakes some choco chip cookies with fluffiness
[18:55] <shadeslayer> jussi: \o/
[18:55] <apachelogger> jussi: that is one big database right there
[18:55] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I marked a comment on it: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeaccessibility/ubuntu/+merge/27372
[18:55] <apachelogger> Sput: do you happen to know someone with a core and space for shadeslayer?
[18:55] <Sput> jussi :)
[18:56] <Sput> hm, who is hosting the amarok devs?
[18:56] <Sput> our core is quite crowded already too, we have 8 people on there
[18:56] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hmm... can you clarify whats the difference between arch any and arch all?
[18:57] <apachelogger> Sput: jefferai probably
[18:57] <apachelogger> jefferai: pingy, do you have space on your core and want to take up famous kubuntu dev shadeslayer? ^^
[18:57] <ScottK> shadeslayer: arch: all is that the package can be built once and used on all architectures.  arch: any, is a package that can be built for every architecture, but needs per-arch builds.
[18:57] <jefferai> apachelogger: hm, how is he famous?
[18:57] <jefferai> I dunno him
[18:57] <jefferai> :-)
[18:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: \o/
[18:57] <Sput> we're moving to a bigger server probably on monday (the long-announced move), but our core also is highly experimental :)
[18:58] <shadeslayer> jefferai: hey im shadeslayer now you know me :P
[18:58] <jefferai> do I?
[18:58] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[18:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: So C++ codes is going to be arch: any.  Stuff like data or pure Python would be arch: all.
[18:58] <apachelogger> jefferai: he is working on bringing google talk support to kopete in kubuntu ;)
[18:58] <jefferai> oh
[18:58]  * jefferai uses psi
[18:58] <jefferai> :-)
[18:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ah ok :)
[18:58] <jefferai> anyways
[18:58] <apachelogger> jefferai, shadeslayer: well you too try working this out
[18:58] <jefferai> I could theoretically host another
[18:58] <jefferai> my core  is super big though
[18:58] <jefferai> db size right now is like 9 GB :-|
[18:59] <jefferai> brb
[18:59] <ScottK> Sounds like time for cookies/alchohol
[18:59] <apachelogger> jefferai: <jussi> nah, Im full with quassel accounts - Ive 6 on my server and 50GB of db...
[18:59] <apachelogger> 9 GiB
[18:59] <apachelogger> that is like...lol :P
[18:59] <shadeslayer> well... i can provide 20 GB of offline storage for data if you guys want
[18:59] <shadeslayer> just got rid of windows :P
[18:59] <Sput> wow, I could backup half of my mobile phone's storage on that...
[19:00] <jussi> shadeslayer: Ive stackloads of storage...
[19:00] <apachelogger> lol
[19:00] <shadeslayer> jussi: :)
[19:00]  * shadeslayer even has a 1TB portable ....
[19:00]  * apachelogger wishes he could get 2 laptops ^^
[19:01] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ill fix that and and ask for a merge :)
[19:01] <ScottK> OK
[19:02] <ScottK> Riddell: 4.4.85 is finally fully built on i386 in maverick.
[19:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: transitional can be arch all right>
[19:02] <ScottK> yes.
[19:02] <ScottK> It's got no arch specific content.
[19:04] <jefferai> apachelogger: it's only a problem when it starts taking forever to log in
[19:04] <jefferai> anyways
[19:04] <jefferai> shadeslayer -- sure
[19:04] <jefferai> although I do make a request
[19:04] <jefferai> which is
[19:04] <shadeslayer> jefferai: awesome :D
[19:04] <shadeslayer> sure :)
[19:04] <jefferai> once in a while, take the buffers you're in that you don't really care about
[19:04] <jefferai> and part/delete/rejoin
[19:04] <jefferai> to wip the backlog
[19:05] <jefferai> just to help keep things tidy
[19:05] <shadeslayer> jefferai: sure sure.. irclogs.ubuntu.com ftw :)
[19:05] <jefferai> right
[19:05] <jefferai> no sense in storing backlog for 50 channels you will never, ever, ever care about
[19:05] <apachelogger> Sput: IMHO quassel should have a feature for that ^
[19:05] <jefferai> etc.
[19:05] <jefferai> apachelogger: I've asked him
[19:05] <Sput> yes, we all think that :)
[19:05] <jussi> yeah, and dont leave #ubuntu or #kubuntu too long or youll kill the core
[19:05] <jefferai> part/delete/rejoin sucks
[19:05] <jefferai> also
[19:05] <apachelogger> okies
[19:05] <shadeslayer> jefferai: im never in 50 channels :P
[19:05] <jefferai> when I delete a buffer
[19:05] <jefferai> sometimes it makes the server disconnect
[19:05] <jefferai> because it locks it up too long
[19:05]  * jussi is normally in > 100
[19:06] <apachelogger> jussi is irc overlord though :P
[19:06] <jefferai> I am happy to say though that I recently did some postgres tuning and things have been much better since
[19:06] <jefferai> apachelogger: btw, this has a price
[19:06] <shadeslayer> jussi: isnt there a limit to it?
[19:06] <jefferai> which is the following
[19:06] <apachelogger> oh dear!
[19:06] <jefferai> if you want shadeslayer's continued existence on my core
[19:06] <jefferai> you have to <strikeout>blow me</strikeout> help me understand snippets of Ruby code
[19:07] <apachelogger> oh noes!
[19:07] <apachelogger> sure cando :)
[19:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whee :D
[19:07] <jefferai> apachelogger: your first task:
[19:07]  * apachelogger was afraid he was gonna force him to join the e.v. :P
[19:07] <jefferai> http://wiki.opscode.com/display/chef/Data+Bags#DataBags-UsingDataBagsinRecipes
[19:07] <jefferai> under "A more complete example"
[19:07] <jefferai> there is the user(login) do part
[19:07] <jefferai> and it seems to map attributes to variables, or some such thing
[19:07] <lex79> ScottK: renaming library, doesn't need a transitional package right? make no sense.
[19:08] <jefferai> but with no equals, , etc
[19:08] <jefferai> I also don't really understand :manage_home
[19:08]  * jefferai should really read a Ruby book, but has no time
[19:09] <apachelogger> jefferai: well, the :foo is a symbol
[19:09] <apachelogger> sec
[19:09] <apachelogger> http://www.troubleshooters.com/codecorn/ruby/symbols.htm#_What_do_symbols_look_like
[19:10] <jefferai> yeah, I read that
[19:10] <jefferai> so they're just consts?
[19:11] <apachelogger> jefferai: simply put, yes
[19:12] <apachelogger> I am not sure about that assignmentless part though
[19:12] <jefferai> apachelogger: right, so if they're constants, then I don't get this:
[19:12] <apachelogger> did you ask nhn about that one? he is doing fancy ruby stuff too nowadays
[19:12] <jefferai>     supports  :manage_home => true
[19:12] <jefferai> hm, I didn't, no
[19:13] <piquadrat> Hi! I installed the beta packages of KDE SC 4.5, and since yesterday, plasma-desktop crashes on startup. Is this a known bug or should I bother to install the debug packages for a bug report?
[19:13] <apachelogger> jefferai: well, see, they are not just const
[19:13] <apachelogger> symbols are a bit of magic
[19:14] <apachelogger> essentially they are a combination of an integer an object and a string
[19:15] <jefferai> apachelogger: yeah, saw that
[19:15] <jefferai> but, dont' get how that relates to that line above
[19:17] <jussi> jefferai: stop giving me bad ideas... I just crapped out the connection deleting #ubuntu-uk
[19:17] <jussi> :D
[19:17] <piquadrat> I'm on 10.04, btw, using the kubuntu beta ppa
[19:17] <apachelogger> jefferai: well, I can only guess because it I do not quite grasp what that thingy is doing anyway
[19:17] <jefferai> jussi: hah, see?
[19:17] <jefferai> apachelogger: ok
[19:17] <jefferai> this is making Chef hard to learn :-(
[19:17] <apachelogger> but to me the looks like it is used as a flag
[19:17] <jefferai> not knowing Ruby + stuff like that
[19:17] <jussi> jefferai: Id hate to see how long it would take for #ubuntu...
[19:18] <apachelogger> supports would be the flags and it is setting manage_home to true
[19:18] <jussi> btw, Im still looking for perl coders with an interest in irc if anyone is up for it...
[19:18] <apachelogger> ohhh
[19:19] <jefferai> apachelogger: a) what are flags; and b) but symbols are immutable, right?
[19:19] <apachelogger> well, they are not really flags, I just compared it to QFlags ;)
[19:19] <jefferai> oh
[19:19] <jefferai> heh
[19:20] <apachelogger> imagine you set the window props of your app, you would pass it the flags you want to have, which is essentially what happens here
[19:20] <jefferai> ok
[19:20] <apachelogger> also I just had an inspiration
[19:21] <jefferai> so -- it's constructing an obejct and setting the value of the symbol 
[19:21] <apachelogger> it is entirely possible that uid, gid, shell etc. are setter functions
[19:21] <jefferai> which it can do, at this time, because it's at construction
[19:21] <jefferai> ?
[19:21] <apachelogger> in ruby foo(bar) is equal to foo bar
[19:21] <jefferai> oh really?
[19:21] <jefferai> yeah, I'm sure they're setters
[19:21] <jefferai> I didn't know you could set like that though
[19:21] <jussi> right, Im off. laters
[19:21] <jefferai> man, ok
[19:21] <shadeslayer_> o/
[19:21] <jefferai> time to find where I stashed that Ruby book
[19:21] <jefferai> which is out of date :-|
[19:21] <shadeslayer_> jefferai: thank you :D
[19:21] <apachelogger> you can do puts("hello") and puts "hello" it is all the same to ruby ;)
[19:22] <apachelogger> jefferai: the fundamentals do not really change
[19:22] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: so now i never disconnect>
[19:22] <jefferai> shadeslayer_: sure
[19:22] <shadeslayer_> and everytime i start the client it will syncd to core?
[19:22] <jefferai> apachelogger: I didn't know you could do puts("hello")  :-)
[19:23] <jefferai> shadeslayer_: yeah
[19:23] <jefferai> apachelogger: ah, the book is free online now...
[19:23] <jefferai> http://ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/
[19:23] <shadeslayer_> jefferai: thank you so much :)
[19:23] <jefferai> shadeslayer_: sure
[19:23] <jefferai> I try to give warning before any core downtime
[19:23] <jefferai> doesn't always happen
[19:23] <jefferai> but I try
[19:23]  * shadeslayer_ will probably run one of these when he sets up his own server
[19:23] <apachelogger> jefferai: you cannot imagine the feeling I had when I discovered that ;)
[19:24]  * apachelogger is more of a c-like-style-coder and likes them brackets a lot
[19:25] <apachelogger> oh I just found a nice site that outlines ruby symbols very well, unfortunately in german :(
[19:25] <shadeslayer_> jefferai: ill keep clearing the logs.. dont you worry ;)
[19:27] <apachelogger> ahhh
[19:27] <apachelogger> jefferai: http://www.randomhacks.net/articles/2007/01/20/13-ways-of-looking-at-a-ruby-symbol
[19:27] <apachelogger> jefferai: 8. might be what the supports line does
[19:28]  * apachelogger did not know one could do that ^^
[19:28] <shadeslayer> qtcreator borked in maverick :P
[19:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: use the static linked version
[19:29] <shadeslayer> ScottK: new and final merge ( hopefully ;) ) https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeaccessibility/ubuntu/+merge/27389
[19:29] <apachelogger> or make a PPA
[19:29]  * apachelogger thinks a PPA of qt creator would be very nice
[19:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: seemed to be a ibus problem.. im installing ibus to check what happens
[19:30] <apachelogger> danimo sure would giv eus cookies for that :)
[19:30] <lex79> JontheEchidna: do you know if removal of public qt signals is BIC ?
[19:30] <Tm_T> apachelogger: haven't tested gtalk feature lately, but when I did (years ago) it was ok
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> lex79: could I see the symbols?
[19:31] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: gtalk works fine... the voice calling part doesnt :P
[19:31] <lex79> JontheEchidna: #MISSING: 4:4.4.85# _ZN5Solid7Control6Ifaces12PowerManager13schemeChangedE7QString@Base 4:4.3.4
[19:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: which is the static linked version of qtcreator?
[19:31] <lex79> JontheEchidna: it's in powermanager.h in 4.4.3
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> lex79: yeah, but kdebase-workspace libraries aren't garuanteed binary compatible
[19:32] <lex79> under Q_SIGNALS: void schemeChanged(QString newScheme);
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> so it's a bit stinky, but not unexpected
[19:32] <lex79> JontheEchidna: "yeah" is for ? :) is it BIC for you?
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> for BIC
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> but its somewhat OK
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> as there's a given expectation that -workspace libs can break BC, which is why they're not in kde4libs in the first place
[19:33] <lex79> JontheEchidna: ok, I chat with modax if he wants change the name of the library
[19:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thanks :)
[19:36] <sheytan> Hi guys
[19:36] <shadeslayer> sheytan: hey :D
[19:36] <sheytan> i was already speaking with the kpackagekit dude 
[19:37] <sheytan> and he said that kpgk is pached to use an additional dialog window with settings. I'm asking what for? :D
[19:37] <sheytan> it would be more cooler to have it without that dialog. Just as a normal window
[19:37] <shadeslayer> sheytan: the edit settings thingy?
[19:39] <sheytan> shadeslayer yes. when y ou click on 'edit repositories list'
[19:39] <sheytan> this dialog sucks, really :D
[19:39] <shadeslayer> sheytan: hmm.. thats probably for authentication purposes
[19:39] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I meant voice call
[19:39] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: oh :)
[19:40] <Tm_T> the chat is normal xmpp
[19:40] <shadeslayer> yep..
[19:40] <shadeslayer> same as fb :)
[19:40] <sheytan> shadeslayer maybe yes, couse it uses kdesudo instead of policykit (or how it's called)
[19:40] <sheytan> but i think it's not much work with that :P
[19:41] <shadeslayer> sheytan: hmm...
[19:41] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: no, fb is totally different story
[19:41] <shadeslayer> maybe we can get it to ask passwords when applying the changes?
[19:41] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: i thought fb used xmpp too
[19:41] <sheytan> shadeslayer why not ;)
[19:42] <shadeslayer> they opened their protocol lately ...
[19:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw bug 592786
[19:43] <apachelogger> what kopete needs to do is get jabber mapped to all the different providers and defaulting to their specific requirements
[19:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I suppose you should backtrace
[19:44] <apachelogger> it might be a BIC issue though
[19:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: with gdb?
[19:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: BIC?
[19:44] <apachelogger> aye
[19:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: binary incompatible (ABI changed)
[19:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: maybe run with unset KDE_FULL_SESSION or what it is called before gdbuggin it
[19:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah ABI changes :P
[19:45] <apachelogger> if it does not crash then it prolly is that
[19:46] <shadeslayer> still crashes :P
[19:46] <shadeslayer> i ran qtcreator KDE_FULL_SESSION
[19:46]  * apachelogger goes crying about amarok crashing so much
[19:46] <apachelogger> this takes away all the fun I once had listening to music
[19:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the otherway around if at all
[19:47] <apachelogger> but I would really go to the length of unset KDE_FULL_SESSION
[19:47] <Nightrose> apachelogger: me too :( (re linuxtag)
[19:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: unset KDE_FULL_SESSION;qtcreatort still fails :P
[19:48]  * apachelogger needs to hand in his tcp by midnight and there is a bug somewhere
[19:48] <apachelogger> OMG!
[19:48]  * shadeslayer will compile qtcreator
[19:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: then gdb
[19:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: was there any further talk on the soundmenu stuff from the canonical people you know about?
[19:49] <Nightrose> apachelogger: not that i know nopw
[19:49] <apachelogger> cause I found aseigo's suggestion very very very sane and good and pretty much perfect
[19:49] <Nightrose> *nope
[19:49] <jefferai> apachelogger: thanks for that link, it's good
[19:54] <dantti> JontheEchidna: yeah! debconf-kde support progressbars now :D and I'm finishing to get rid of that useless std code :P
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[19:55] <shadeslayer> sheytan: might as well file a wishlist bug :)
[19:55] <dantti> even split was reinvented there again :P
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> QString is the best string api ever
[19:55] <sheytan> shadeslayer will do :)
[19:55] <dantti> JontheEchidna: ever
[20:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: qtcreator has a RC release roo
[20:03] <shadeslayer> *too
[20:03] <shadeslayer> im downloading that
[20:03]  * apachelogger is already using it :P
[20:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: gotta poke people tomorrow
[20:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: repo has beta :P
[20:04]  * apachelogger is not using the repo for qtcreator :P
[20:04] <apachelogger> development is much too fast for that
[20:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hehe :)
[20:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i was advised to use git.... :P
[20:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does the binary come with docs and stuff too?
[20:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: need hug and cookie :/
[20:07] <Nightrose> before poking anyone
[20:10]  * shadeslayer starts watching daybreakers at 1 am ....
[20:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: not sure, I am using loads of addtional stuff anyway ;)
[20:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookies for Nightrose
[20:17]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to Nightrose.
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> So
[20:17]  * apachelogger super huggles Nightrose
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> I fixed the QuickAccess crash
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> but
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopek1531-jpg.jpg
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> :(
[20:17] <apachelogger> my flippin TCP is bugged
[20:18] <apachelogger> a!
[20:18]  * Nightrose huggles apachelogger
[20:18] <apachelogger> and I do not care
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> the model's handing me invalid indexes :(
[20:18] <JontheEchidna> so I get nothing painted :(
[20:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i ran the installer,how do i make it pick up the examples from the packages?
[20:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the code examples?
[20:19]  * apachelogger never used the code examples :/
[20:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the tutorials and stuff
[20:20] <apachelogger> no clue really
[20:20] <shadeslayer> back to qt-creator i gues s :P
[20:20] <apachelogger> you probably can set a path somewhere *shrug*
[20:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is quickaccess booted from the default install yet?
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nein
[20:21] <apachelogger> omg!
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> it should be, if this bug can't be fixed
[20:21] <apachelogger> poor panel is all filled up ^^
[20:21] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also, does our default plasma setup shiz conflict with upstream's?
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yes, both .js files are loaded on clean config
[20:21] <apachelogger> sweet
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> we get two activities and two panels
[20:22] <apachelogger> supposedly we could just rename ours to override the upstream one
[20:22] <apachelogger> probably gets cascaded anyway
[20:22] <apachelogger> also the upstream one is bugged
[20:22] <apachelogger> it assumes that main screen is screen 0, while this is not necessarily the case and if you do not have access to screen 0 then you are panelless
[20:23] <apachelogger> and activityless for that matter
[20:23] <apachelogger> or actually you have a panel I think ^^
[20:23] <apachelogger> well you get the idea ;)
[20:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: your desktop needs fluffying up!
[20:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: where is our script located?
[20:24] <ScottK> Also the -workspace currently in the archive is missing some files for the js config stuff.
[20:25] <ScottK> Once lex79 gets the symbol files done we'll upload
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps/plasma-desktop/init/01-kubuntu-default-setup.js
[20:25]  * shadeslayer renames that script once and for all
[20:25] <lex79> almost finished
[20:26] <shadeslayer> now it wont add more activities
[20:32] <android> O/
[20:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: kdeaccessibility uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[20:32] <shadeslayer> ScottK: no problem at all :D
[20:32] <ScottK> The init scripts should only run once anyway
[20:32] <shadeslayer> ScottK: anything else to do?
[20:32] <android> shadeslayer: is rocking today
[20:32] <ScottK> Probably.
[20:33] <shadeslayer> android: im simply free :)
[20:33]  * ScottK needs to run out for a while.
[20:33] <shadeslayer> will probably rock for the next 3-4 months :P
[20:33] <shadeslayer> at least :D
[20:34] <android> shadeslayer: btw, the rebuild of quick access today didnt help :(
[20:34] <shadeslayer> hmm... we probably need a newer qtcreator package in the maverick repos
[20:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[20:34] <shadeslayer> android: yes JontheEchidna is working on that
[20:35] <shadeslayer> android: idk if thats on lucid or maverick,but work is going on
[20:35] <android> shadeslayer: excellent
[20:35]  * shadeslayer heads over to answers.launchpad for a quick look and then off to sleep
[20:36] <android> shadeslayer: I take it you figured out who i am...
[20:36]  * android points to cloak
[20:36] <shadeslayer> android: jussi on your android :P
[20:36] <android> :)
[20:36] <shadeslayer> i know,didnt need the cloak :P
[20:36] <shadeslayer> android: rofl : https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+question/114290
[20:36] <android> Heh
[20:37] <shadeslayer> dont even feel like adding a comment there :P
[20:37] <android> Thats useful...
[20:38] <android> Sounds a candidate for:
[20:38] <android> !doesntwork
[20:39] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:39] <android> Yeah, my audio just sits on the couch and does nothing....
[20:39] <android> :P
[20:39] <shadeslayer> android: it probably watches the video playing on the screen :P
[20:40] <android> Lol
[20:42] <shadeslayer> !ebooks
[20:42] <shadeslayer> !ebook
[20:42] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:50] <shadeslayer> bye all ,will be back tomorrow :)
[21:08] <_Sime> Riddell: KDE 4.5 marble bindings have been updated and should work.  The API may or may not be BC in the future.
[21:11] <_Sime> Riddell: BTW, what is the status of Python3 support for the PyQt and PyKDE packages?
[21:12] <ScottK> Isn't it the other way around?  What's the status of support for Python 3 in PyQt and PyKDE?
[21:13] <ScottK> We're very close to having the infrastructure done to package Python 3 stuff the way we want it done (trying to lose some of the cruft in the Python packaging)
[21:14] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: yes fb uses xmpp but their implementation is really really bad (from my point of view anyway)
[21:15] <_Sime> ScottK: has been ready for quite some time now.
[21:16] <ScottK> _Sime: Good to know.
[21:17] <ScottK> _Sime: It's a goal to have the default python be python3 before 12.04.
[21:24] <apachelogger> Departed FedEx location
[21:24] <apachelogger> PARIS FR
[21:25]  * apachelogger is wondering where his gsoc package is going now ^^
[21:25] <apachelogger> this is all sorts of fun I must say
[21:29] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Found something.  We need kdepim 4.4.4 packaged for Maverick.
[21:40] <apachelogger> any thoughts on adding the fluffy blog to planet ubuntu?
[21:41] <ScottK> fluffy isn't an Ubuntu member
[21:44] <apachelogger> bug a flavor
[21:44] <apachelogger> s/bug/but
[21:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is fluffy stuff all in the official archive?
[21:48] <apachelogger> nope
[22:02] <asac> ho
[22:03] <asac> kde-pim ... is there a plan to add that to the archive this cycle?
[22:04] <apachelogger> asac: the new stuff with mobile magic and all?
[22:05]  * apachelogger notes that this mostly depends on whether kdepim upstream manages to get to a stable stage in time
[22:05] <asac> yeah ... one sec
[22:05] <asac> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/arm-m-liquid
[22:05] <asac> looking for someone who could take the pim module packaging off rbelem's shoulders maybe ;)
[22:06] <asac> not sure if its an easy package that would be suitable for a mentoree ... would definitly have time until alpha-3
[22:06] <asac> apachelogger: so you say its not packagable?
[22:07] <asac> i could also live with a package in a ppa ;) ... if the stability does not meet the quality requirements of the kubuntu team ;)
[22:07] <apachelogger> I say that currently kdepim 4.5 is not scheduled for release with KDE SC 4.5
[22:07] <asac> i am not really familiar with the kde/kubuntu release way
[22:07] <apachelogger> whether it will be released in time to even make 10.10 is another question :/
[22:08] <asac> and kdepim 4.4 doesnt exist?
[22:08] <apachelogger> it does and is packaged
[22:08] <asac> kk
[22:08] <apachelogger> and actually will be what we ship in maverick in case 4.5 does not reach a stable release in time :)
[22:09] <asac> i assume the package update would be easy?
[22:09] <asac> e.g. would it be straight forward to push some svn snapshot to ppa based on current packaging? 
[22:10] <apachelogger> I am not familiar with current SVN's structures, but most of the breaking changes are switching to akonadi and removing loads and loads of old clutter, so I suppose it is not that different
[22:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: pingy ^
[22:10] <apachelogger> anything about this discussed @ UDS?
[22:11] <ScottK> asac: First we need to get plasma-mobile in.
[22:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: In general.
[22:11] <asac> ScottK: right, thats part of the spec too :)
[22:11] <asac> just trying to find someone who would be willing to take the kdepim items ;)
[22:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: do our kolab contacts want snapshots of 4.5 maybe? seeing as the akonadi based kontact will be next reference client for kolab...
[22:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think they will be interested in a dedicated KDE3  kontact package specifically for a kolab client first.
[22:15] <apachelogger> why are they not lurking in here anyway :P
[22:15] <ScottK> asac: I think it's way to early to tell if the pim mobile stuff will be doable this cycle or not.
[22:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: It was discussed that they'd do that.  Busy I guess.
[22:15] <asac> ScottK: you say there is risk that it might not work at all?
[22:16] <ScottK> asac: I don't know the upstream development schedule.
[22:16] <asac> or is it mostly regression potential for none mobile images? 
[22:16]  * asac is ignorant what part pim plays in normal kubuntu images
[22:16] <ScottK> First we need plasma-mobile (which last I checked didn't build).
[22:16] <ScottK> It's a leaf package for us.
[22:16] <asac> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/arm-m-liquid
[22:16] <rbelem> ScottK, i will get it ready in this weekend
[22:17] <rbelem> :-)
[22:17] <asac> \o/
[22:17] <ScottK> asac: So we walk before we run and see how far we get.
[22:17] <ScottK> asac: We do have #kubuntu-mobile for dedicated conversation on this topic.  You might want to hang out there.
[22:17] <asac> ScottK: well, i will keep a work item then and make it dependent on whether its ok for archive; otherwise we put it in a ppa as it seems to be essential for any kind of mobile experience i was told
[22:18] <asac> so stay tuned ;)
[22:18] <apachelogger> asac: for kdepim they are exchanging almost all internals, so there is a lot of regression potential, which is also why they are not releasing along with KDE SC (which is what usually happens)
[22:18] <rbelem> ScottK, it is building fine now
[22:18] <ScottK> rbelem: Great.
[22:18] <asac> apachelogger: right. i didnt check if its used in any other kubuntu images. if thats the case its clear that it cant be replaced in archive with svn snapshots etc
[22:18] <rbelem> ScottK, just need to finish the debian/copyright
[22:18] <ScottK> asac: So this is a really weird cycle for kdepim.
[22:18] <rbelem> ScottK, that's painful
[22:18] <apachelogger> asac: it is what we are using for pim activities in Kubuntu :)
[22:19] <ScottK> rbelem: Yeah, it's in many ways the trickiests part of packaging.
[22:19] <asac> we could put it in a ppa ... or in the archive using a special package name so mobile profiles can benefit from it (in case it works)
[22:19] <asac> but as ScottK said. lets see ;)
[22:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is pim-mobile a patch to the regular pim package or a seperate tree?
[22:19] <apachelogger> shouldnt be
[22:19] <ScottK> We'll see.
[22:19] <apachelogger> kdepim is seperated into UI and libs, so I suppose pim-mobile would just be using the libs and stack another UI ontop of it
[22:19] <ScottK> Reminds me I need to work on seed setup.
[22:20]  * apachelogger looks
[22:20] <rbelem> http://dot.kde.org/2010/06/10/kde-pim-goes-mobile
[22:21] <apachelogger> http://files.kolab.org/local/maemo/README.html
[22:21] <apachelogger> steveire: pingy
[22:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: if that helps http://steveire.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/akonadiplatform2.png :)
[22:27] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdepim/mobile/
[22:27] <apachelogger> looks like it is part of kdepim to begin with
[22:28]  * apachelogger checks out
[22:29] <ScottK> Interesting
[22:38] <apachelogger> now I could use a faster machine now :/
[23:26] <bulldog98> what to install to have kdevelop in maverick?
[23:47] <DarthFrog> Hmm, clicking on the Quick Access icon kills plasma.
[23:57] <apachelogger> it must have been ages since I did package a non-native package
[23:57]  * apachelogger feels a bit rusty :/
[23:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, ScottK: pingy, got time to revu grantlee?