[00:03] <arand> Would anyone care to opinionate as to wether Bug #582035 is SRU-material, and maybe set the priority to.. hmm, low, if I read the importance guidelines correctly (easy workaround).
[00:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 582035 in e2fsprogs (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "User cancel of fsck gives: "fsck.ext4: Inode bitmap not loaded while setting block group checksum" (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/582035
[00:41] <jcgs> hi, does anyone know what to do if i think i've found that a package in the repositories is unusable?
[00:42] <arand> jcgs: unusable in what way, which one was the bug report?
[00:43] <jcgs> erm , it breaks all applications (including GNOME apparently) that link to it
[00:43] <arand> This channel is a bit more specific to bug-handling, by the way.
[00:44] <jcgs> sorry, i'm kinda new at this (you might have guessed already)
[00:44] <jcgs> it's bug 540035
[00:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 540035 in pango-graphite (Ubuntu) "gimp-2.6 crashed on launch with SIGSEGV in gr::GlyphInfo::logicalIndex() (affects: 8) (dups: 2) (heat: 68)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540035
[00:46] <arand> Hmm, that is definitely something that is worth fixing.
[00:47] <jcgs> i agree
[00:47] <jcgs> i'm also in #kubuntu-devel atm, but not getting so much of a response
[00:48] <jcgs> arand: what do you think of my swap suggestion?
[00:48] <arand> I'm not sure a complete upgrade to newer version will be accepted, as per...
[00:48] <arand> !sru
[00:48] <ubot2> Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[00:49] <arand> The best would be is the problem could be isolated to a small fix which could patch the current version...
[00:49] <jcgs> i think this package is so broken that no-one could possibly be operating it
[00:50] <jcgs> arand: i think this probably falls into the uninstallable category
[00:51] <arand> Indeed.
[00:52] <micahg> jcgs: please try: aptitude why pango-graphite
[00:52] <arand> Well, more like "completely unusable", and in addition breaking other applications... Hmm, it *might* warrant a complete version upgrade, yes.
[00:53] <jcgs> chris@sjoh2988:/usr/share/man$ aptitude why pango-graphite
[00:53] <jcgs> i   ttf-sil-doulos Suggests pango-graphite
[00:54] <micahg> k, not sure why it would be installled then
[00:54] <arand> Yes, it's all the ttf-sil-* fonts that depends on it.
[00:54] <jcgs> it's not
[00:55] <jcgs> michag: i installed it because it was suggested, and bad things happened
[00:55] <arand> Ah, yes, you're right, only suggests
[00:57] <arand> Hmm, have a look at: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pango-graphite
[00:57] <arand> Seems like every single bug describes more or less this same issue
[00:58] <arand> And that's been going on since 2008 it seems
[00:58] <micahg> was deleted from testing, not sure why
[01:03] <arand> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471642 has some interesting info
[01:03] <ubot2> Debian bug 471642 in pango-graphite "libpango1.0-0: iceweasel is crashing permanently with pango enabled" [Critical,Open]
[01:10] <arand> And the last update to that package was in 2005 !
[01:11] <arand> In sid, that is, seems to have been touched in ubuntu in 2008 at least
[01:12] <arand> No, ahng on that is in unstable, ignore last two comments
[01:14] <jcgs> arand: it appears the debian maintainer hasn't done anything about this
[01:15] <arand> Yes. Which is not very good indeed.
[01:21] <arand> jcgs: Hmm, If I look at http://packages.sil.org/ubuntu/ there doesn't seem to be any updated pango-graphite... ?
[01:23] <arand> jcgs: But in the state of things, I would reckon the best solution would be to simply follow debians lead and pull it from the repo completely. Unless someone steps up wanting to maintain it.
[01:23] <jcgs> indeed
[01:25] <arand> jcgs: Have you tested the SIL repo there, suggested by Johan Winge? (Like I said, I don't see and updated packages there at all..)
[01:27] <jcgs> no, but i'll have a look
[01:31] <arand> Hmm, I'm bed-bound soon though, and it will likely be easier to get hold of people who know the proper procedure for this (I don't) at other times of the day. I'll keep the backlog here though, it's definitely something in need of attendance.
[01:34] <arand> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive#Removing%20Packages is likely the process to follow in case removal is appropriate.
[01:38] <jcgs> arand: thanks a lot you've been v helpful
[05:58] <drew212> micahg: are you around? i have a quick question
[05:58] <micahg> drew212: yes
[05:59] <drew212> bug 483099, it doesnt sound like a bug, as i recieve it sometimes after a crash from firefox, and it is easily worked around by "killall firefox", what do you think?
[05:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 483099 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) " computer report Firefox not responding close firefox or restart computer (affects: 4) (heat: 20)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483099
[05:59] <micahg> drew212: it's a long standing bug
[05:59] <micahg> drew212: there might be a master bug somewhere
[06:00] <drew212> ill look
[06:00] <drew212> found it bug 308605
[06:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 308605 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "[MASTER]Firefox is already running message (affects: 13) (dups: 10) (heat: 182)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/308605
[06:01] <drew212> i really need to look at all the master bugs
[06:03] <micahg> drew212: k, I guess that's the best place ATM
[06:03] <drew212> micahg: mark as duplicate?
[06:03] <micahg> drew212: yep
[06:04] <ddecator> yah that's been around a while..
[06:04] <micahg> drew212: thanks
[06:04] <drew212> micahg: for? lol
[06:04] <micahg> drew212: taking care of it :)
[06:04] <ddecator> drew212: the work :)
[06:05] <drew212> micahg: no problem =), i'm going to school to be a software eng. this is great practice... and will look great on a resume, best of all its hella fun =D
[06:06] <drew212> we need to add a response in the wiki about crashes being reported as general bugs
[06:06] <micahg> drew212: I'll tell you about my adventure with that in #ubuntu-chicago :)
[06:07] <ddecator> drew212: btw, if you're still interested in getting involved with the kernel, at the last qa meeting JFo announced that there will be some changes to kernel triage and that they will be having classes on how to work with kernel bugs. i think there will be an email sent to the bugsquad ML, so keep your eye out for that :)
[06:08] <drew212> ddecator: thakns =)
[06:09] <drew212> micahg: is there a bug response about someone submitting a bug report thru apport that should be a crash report, such as bug 592416
[06:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 592416 in firefox-3.5 (Ubuntu) "Firefox suddenly disappears several times lately (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592416
[06:11] <micahg> drew212: what you did there is great
[06:12] <micahg> drew212: w/out a crash report or specific reproduce steps, there's not much we can do
[06:12] <drew212> micahg: but what we need to do is add something like that kind of response to the wiki
[06:13] <micahg> drew212: ah, yes
[06:13] <micahg> drew212: I forgot to do that
[06:13] <drew212> i can do it actually =P
[06:13] <drew212> maybe =P
[06:13] <micahg> drew212: there's something similar though
[06:13] <micahg> drew212: maybe send to ML about it w/a suggestion
[06:14] <drew212> micahg: who is ML?
[06:14] <ddecator> Mailing List
[06:14]  * micahg should have said the ML :)
[09:16] <BUGabundo_remote> raises the sales,row to south!
[09:31] <DrKenobi> Hi! I think this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/393720 should be Wishlist, ok?
[09:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 393720 in nautilus "To hide files/directories is complex (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:35] <xelister> hi, please set priority https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/546728  to High.  Many users can not access internet! (so they cant get updates, find out how to resolve the problem, etc)
[09:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 546728 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Lucid] Huawei USB Modems not detected since upgrade. E620, E169 modems - need to install usb-modeswitch(-data) (affects: 17) (dups: 1) (heat: 82)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:36] <xelister> also the solution is quite trivial, just by defailt install missing package
[09:39] <BUGabundo_remote> xelister: known
[09:39] <BUGabundo_remote> and it's a dupe
[10:06] <xelister> BUGabundo_remote: what is the dupe?
[10:09] <vish> DrKenobi: that bug has to be forwarded upstream , yes it is a wishlist
[10:10] <DrKenobi> vish thank you, i'll right now
[10:22] <DrKenobi> vish the bug status https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/393720 should be triaged now.
[10:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 393720 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "To hide files/directories is complex (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[10:22] <xelister> BUGabundo_remote: could you mark it as a dupe?
[10:23] <vish> DrKenobi: done. thanks
[10:26] <DrKenobi> vish, I think this is also a wishlist bug that should be sent to upstream https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/393657
[10:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 393657 in nautilus "Assigning backgrounds in Nautilus (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:26] <BUGabundo_remote> xelister: not at home
[10:26] <BUGabundo_remote> don't have my handy mail to look for the dupe
[10:26] <BUGabundo_remote> bug searching for that description will find you a few of them
[10:27] <vish> DrKenobi: i think there is already a bug upstream for that, try searching if not there, yes , needs forwarding
[10:28] <DrKenobi> vish, i will look again, but i didnt find anything. Looking again
[10:39] <DrKenobi> vish, i found a bug upstream, what should i do? should i add a Bug Watch?
[10:39] <vish> DrKenobi: yup , add the upstream bug watch and add the ubuntu task as well
[10:40] <DrKenobi> whats the ubuntu task?
[10:42] <vish> DrKenobi: nautilus , use the "also affect distribution"
[10:42] <DrKenobi> vish, ok i'll try
[10:54] <DrKenobi> vish, now Bug #393657 should be set as triaged and wishlist
[10:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 393657 in nautilus (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Assigning backgrounds in Nautilus (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/393657
[10:56] <vish> DrKenobi: done
[10:56] <DrKenobi> thanks vish!
[10:56] <vish> np.
[10:58] <DrKenobi> does anyone knows hot to set as duplicate a bug at Bugzilla?
[11:33] <vish> DrKenobi: which bug?
[11:45] <DrKenobi> vish, this https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=594168 and this https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158793 bugs
[11:45] <ubot2> Gnome bug 594168 in Backgrounds Emblems and Themes "Add support for specifying folder background properties on a per-folder basis" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed]
[11:48] <vish> DrKenobi: yeah , if you havent reported the bug , you cant change that upstream .. they have their triagers/bug maintainers who set that
[11:50] <DrKenobi> oh ok, so it was a good idea to leave a message. thanks!
[13:09] <xteejx> Hey guys!
[13:10] <xteejx> Wow I just looked at yesterday's bugday for gnome-games....nearly every single one was done!! :)
[13:13] <DrKenobi> xteejx u did a great job
[13:13] <xteejx> Thanks :) I actually had time to do it this week
[13:14] <xteejx> Kinda hopping between triaging now and merging for motu, but just starting so bug hunting is better at the mo lol
[13:15] <DrKenobi> but i found some bugs that where not triaged or fixed but highlighted with green :-S
[13:16] <DrKenobi> c u later, wc2010!
[13:16] <xteejx> DrKenobi: Yeah that's fine as long as they're being dealt with
[13:16] <xteejx> Anyone on here that sees me around knows I always go back to old reports every 2 weeks or so :D
[13:18] <DrKenobi> xteejx, i was not talking about u, i don't remember who did it. Just think that is not the ideal way to do it
[13:19] <xteejx> Oh right :) But yeah I agree, especially with perhaps 'less experienced' triagers - I've seen plenty of bug reports that have a standard response and it's not been looked at since - bloody annoying makes us look bad!
[13:45] <DrKenobi> xteejx, yep, u r right
[14:04] <hggdh> DrKenobi: you still need a dup set on b.g.o?
[14:05] <pedro_> oh wow nice progress on the bug day folks!
[14:07] <hggdh> DrKenobi: they are not actually dups -- one wants the same background everywhere, the other asks for *different*, specific backgrounds
[14:08] <DrKenobi> hggdh, let me read them again
[14:10] <DrKenobi> hggdh, i think Bugs 594168 it's included in Bugs 158793
[14:10] <ubot2> DrKenobi: Error: Bug #594168 not found.
[14:10] <ubot2> DrKenobi: Error: Bug #158793 not found.
[14:12] <DrKenobi> because setting all the directories under a specific directory should be an option
[14:30] <hggdh> DrKenobi: ack
[14:34] <hggdh> DrKenobi: thinking more on it -- 594168 needs to be there in the first place; 158793 depends on it
[14:35] <hggdh> DrKenobi: but I agree -- I will set the others as dup of 158793, and add the specific comment
[14:37] <DrKenobi> hggdh: ok, thank you!
[14:38] <xelister> cool, lucid-propsed kmail crashes too
[14:38] <xelister> 4 years using kmail. No version yet was not-crashing.
[14:38] <DrKenobi> xelister, thats a long time!
[14:38] <xelister> I'm getting actually a number of __GI___*  backtraces from various applications.  what is that?
[14:39] <xelister> (3 or 4)
[14:39] <hggdh> DrKenobi: done
[14:40] <DrKenobi> hggdh: thank you!
[14:40] <xelister> kmail-dbgsym: Depends: kmail (= 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu5) but 4:4.4.4-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1 is installed.
[14:40] <xelister> #5  0x00007f2516a4f337 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so.4
[14:40] <xelister> how to get proper dbgsym for lucid-proposed's kmail?
[14:43] <xelister> anyone?
[14:43] <xelister> in sources.list.d I have also line    deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com lucid-proposed main restricted universe multiverse
[14:44] <hggdh> xelister: if the dbgsyms are not there, then have not yet being created
[14:44] <xelister> so, lucid-proposed's kmail crashs (as EVERY other kmail version ever in ubuntu),  and there are not even debug symbols to debug it?
[14:46] <hggdh> xelister: (1) you can always build from source, and get it all; (2) you can try kdepim-dbg (which carries the symbols for this lib); (3) please tone down your comments
[14:47] <xelister> how my comments are not tonned down? Well, thoes are just facts, I have yet to see kmail version that is stable in every day advanced usage
[14:50] <xelister> it seems many/all -dbgsym packages are broken in lucid-proposed, is this expected?
[14:50] <xelister> aptitude install libkdepim4-dbgsym=4:4.4.4-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1  -->   Unable to find a version "4:4.4.4-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa1" for the package "libkdepim4-dbgsym"
[14:54] <hggdh> xelister: if this came from a PPA (as the version string suggests) you have to take it to the PPA owners
[14:55] <hggdh> and a PPA will most probably not have dbgsyms, at most only dbgs
[14:56] <xelister> kmail    kmail-dbgsym      There is no -dbg.  Only dbgsym would be detailed enough it seems for #5  0x00007f2516a4f337 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so.4
[14:56] <xelister> wouldn't it make sense to esepcially build dbgsym's for packages that are proposed and undergo reviews?  do you need machinepower to build that all, or what is the problem? I could build some dbgsym's if it's easy
[14:57] <hggdh> the package that carries /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so.4 is kdepim-dbg. You can find from where a file comes via 'apt-file search'
[14:58] <xelister> well, http://pastebin.com/CftKSCyV
[15:00] <hggdh> yes, your installation is broken
[15:09] <yofel> xelister: the kmail debug symbols are in kdepim-dbg
[15:09] <yofel> meh
[15:10] <yofel> should read the whole backlog before answering ^^
[15:11] <hggdh> heh
[17:37] <arand> If the combination of pango-graphite and ttf-sil-doulos makes gnome not start, is the fault likely in pango-graphite, or may it be in the font package as well? I've tested three of the ttf-sil-* fonts packages, two induces the problem, one does not.
[17:40] <micahg> arand: most likely pango-graphite
[17:40] <arand> micahg: Ah, yes, still poking in the same issue as yesterday.
[17:41] <arand> Would you say I should just go ahead and file a removal request?
[17:41] <micahg> arand: what happened to getting it updated in debian?
[17:43] <micahg> arand: I don't see any PPAs
[17:45] <micahg> arand: there's an 0.9.3 version released last year, maybe file an update request in debian
[17:45] <arand> micahg: Well, I'm contacting the sil.org people, they've got a repo, but there's no pango-graphite in there..
[17:45] <micahg> arand: k, are they still developing it?
[17:45] <arand> Just to check if there actually is an updated version, or if they at all are supporting it...yea
[17:46] <micahg> arand: there's an updated version as of last year
[17:46] <arand> Where?
[17:46] <micahg> http://sourceforge.net/projects/silgraphite/files/
[17:47] <arand> Ah, hadn't stumbled upon that, ok, well then updating in debian becomes a more relevant option..
[17:47] <micahg> arand: right, so I'd suggest filing a request to update in debian
[17:48] <arand> Yea, ok, we'll see how it works out there, since it has no maintainer atm
[17:49] <micahg> arand: there's a maintainer in debian
[17:51]  * micahg will bbiab
[19:41] <vish> crimsun_: hi , could you update your time available > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[21:26] <tawmas> Hi! I was trying to see if anything changed in #587142 after the latest updates to the appmenu, but I no longer can seem to get appmenus for any application. Is this just me missing something new, or there is some problem in act?
[21:29] <jbicha> tawmas: did you try logging out and logging back in?
[21:29] <tawmas> jbicha: no, I just restarted the panel... isn't this good enough?
[21:30] <jbicha> jbicha: I don't know; perhaps appmenu needs more than just the panel restarted though
[21:30]  * tawmas is about to logout and login again...
[21:31] <tawmas> jbicha: thanks, for now, I'll let you know
[21:35] <tawmas> jbicha: it works now, it indeed needed a logout/login. Thanks again
[21:38] <tawmas> bye
[21:50] <micahg> oh boy, bug  592837
[21:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 592837 in ubuntu "bug filing difficulties annoyance (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592837
[21:50] <micahg> pedro_: ^^
[21:54] <kklimonda> micahg: *shrug* some people have attitude like that, nothing we can do about that. I'm pretty sure there is no way of reasoning with him and he's entitled to his own opinion..
[21:54] <micahg> kklimonda: right, that's why I pinged pedro about it :)
[21:54]  * micahg thinks someone official should respond
[22:43] <yofel> er... he even unsubscribed from the bug, filed it again as bug 592839 and marked that as a security vulnerability...
[22:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 592839 in ubuntu "bug filing difficulties annoyance (affects: 1) (heat: 260)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592839
[22:46] <micahg> yofel: I saw