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TheMusoThere is no way you can assign a shortcut key to an application in its desktop file correct?02:46
RAOFI don't believe so, no, although I'm not sure where System→Preferences→Keyboard Shortcuts gets its listings from.02:48
mclasenkeynames come from /usr/share/gnome-control-center/keybindings/*.xml02:49
mclasenthe shortcuts usually get stored in gconf02:49
TheMusoI know about the gconf shortcuts, but was wondering whether apps could be given a shortcut in their .desktop file, similar to what is possible in Windows.02:51
mclasenno02:52
TheMusoOk, thanks.02:52
bcurtiswx3kenvandine: if anyone wants to try out the new adium theme in maverick for lucid my PPA has it backported03:37
kenvandinebcurtiswx3, i saw that, thx!03:37
bcurtiswx3kenvandine: cool, yw03:38
SarvattI don't suppose anyone would be willing to look at an xterm merge for sponsorship? http://sarvatt.com/downloads/merges/xterm/04:01
TheMusoSarvatt: I'll take a look.04:04
desrtrobert_ancell: hey04:05
SarvattTheMuso: thank you a ton for the help04:06
TheMusoSarvatt: np04:07
Sarvattafter that xterm and nvidia-graphics-drivers* rebuilds are all thats left for X stuff04:09
Sarvatterr xdm04:09
TheMusoSarvatt: uploaded.04:17
Sarvattthanks!04:17
TheMusonp04:17
hyperairanyone here familiar with ureadahead's code?04:54
hyperairi'd like to implement btrfs support for ureadahead, since i'm sick of waiting and nothing's been done04:55
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robert_ancelldesrt, hey06:16
pittiGood morning07:31
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didrocksgood morning08:19
pittihey didrocks08:26
didrocksGuten Morgen pitti08:27
didrockshum 712M for the netbook CD :/08:28
didrockswell maverick desktop amd64 is approximately the same size08:28
didrocks(not the i386 one, weird)08:28
pittiugh, what was added since a1?08:35
didrockspitti: don't know for desktop. For netbook it's all the removal of maximus/netbook-launcher in favor of mutter/unity08:38
didrockspitti: but I think this huge delta should be due to something else08:38
didrockshum, I can remove metacity already08:39
huatsmorning08:50
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ogradidrocks, urgh09:05
ogradidrocks, you  completely broke armel netbook09:05
didrocksogra: with yesterday's update unity should build now on armel09:06
didrocksogra: I didn't check the status, but I'll refresh the ubuntu-netbook metapackage before the week-end09:06
didrocksI'll add also the -efl, as I guess it was on the CD as a dep of netbook-launcher09:07
seb128didrocks, nice work with unity09:08
didrocksseb128: thanks :)09:08
didrocksall the transition thing is working well for you?09:09
seb128yes09:09
didrocksgreat!09:09
seb128didrocks, I get no wm decorations though, wanted or gtk csd bug?09:10
seb128not sure how to close dialogs out of the using the menus which is suboptimal09:10
didrocksseb128: it's wanted, I should check again the gconf key (I think it's the same than maximus used)09:11
seb128weird09:11
didrocksbut yeah, until the titlebar isn't in the panel, not useful, I should change temporary the default09:11
didrocksthanks for the notice, I changed it a while ago there. Anyway, trying on the stock install for lucid09:11
seb128np, good work again, it upgraded in a flawless way09:12
pittibonojur seb12809:20
seb128hey pitti09:20
seb128how are you?09:20
pittiI'm good, thanks! still catching up with peer reviews09:21
ogra_didrocks, would you mind if i re-added all the netbook bits for armel you just removed for all arches ?09:22
seb128pitti, oh, I need to do that as well09:22
pittimeh, the desktop amd64 CD exploded as well09:22
ogra_we dont have any desktop anymore with your last change to the seed09:22
pittidesktops are overrated09:23
ogra_yeah, arm users should just phone with their HW :)09:23
ogra_what else is it good for09:23
didrocksogra_: regenerating the metapackage should do it (at least, adding unity to armel) with yesterday's evening build. Then, you have to add explicitely as a recommend netbook-launcher-efl, right09:23
didrocksogra_: before, it was a dep of netbook-launcher which is removed as just a transitional package now09:24
pittiwill there be an -efl like 2D port of unity?09:24
ogra_didrocks, i'm currently not caring for unity but for having the old 2D desktop working (maximus, go-home-applet, window-picker etc)09:24
ogra_pitti, there will be a panel thats a gtk container for indicators09:24
ogra_but we'll keep the efl launcher in maintenance mode as long as we can for arm09:25
pitti*nod*09:25
didrocksogra_: sure, I can do if it you want, add them for armel09:25
pittibut we could certainly run n-l-efl with upanel09:25
ogra_pitti, not sure how well that works, i havent tried upanel yet09:26
ogra_gnome-panel is definately to heavyweight though which brought up the minimal panel idea at UDS09:26
ogra_afaik ted is working on it already09:26
pittiisn't that by and large the panel that we see in unity already?09:27
pittii. e. which is just an indicator container?09:27
ogra_pitti, afaik that still uses a lot of gnome libs09:27
pittiah, I see09:27
ogra_we want to cut down memory footprint and startup speed09:27
* ogra_ has to move rooms at LT now ... see you09:28
pittiright, just gtk, dbus, and libappindicator would be great09:28
ogra_yepp09:28
seb128pitti, ogra_: the issue with unity is not the depends, it's the graphical 3d requirement09:30
pittiseb128: but that would only go for the launcher, I suppose, not for upanel itself?09:31
seb128?09:31
pittiI mean, upanel certainly doesn't need 3D, does it?09:31
seb128no, I meant unity does09:31
seb128both the panel and the launcher09:31
seb128that's why they need a stock gtk version09:32
didrocksurgh, seems like I was disconnected…09:32
seb128didrocks, no you are not09:32
seb128didrocks, you didn't quit the channel at least09:32
didrocksdid you received? 10:26:40 didrocks | pitti: go-home-applet and window-picker should be ported to it so09:32
didrocks10:27:34 didrocks | and upanel is rendered under mutter, not sure how this behave under a 2D driver09:32
seb128no09:33
didrocks(and then, I recevied your last sentend "they need a stock gtk version"09:33
didrocksso, my server was still connected, but not my laptop09:33
didrocksand as it didn't say "heh, I quit", I don't have the backlog09:33
seb128didrocks, you didn't miss anything, ogra just said he had to move rooms09:34
didrocksseb128: oh ok, he didn't answered if I can add them for armel only now?09:34
didrocksin any case, we have to work on the fallback system again09:34
seb128didrocks, when did you drop from the channel?09:35
didrocksseb128: it's ok, I'm reading the log from my bip server now09:36
seb128ok09:36
seb128I was going to copy you the log09:36
didrocksseb128: that's fine, thanks :)09:37
didrocksyeah, I confirm the upanel can't work without mutter, that's why it can't be used for -efl09:38
didrocksand window-pickler/go-home-applet are applets, so, don't work (they will need to be rewriten too for the stock gtk bar)09:39
pitti  * Added unity to netbook [armel]10:28
pittididrocks: ^ ??10:28
didrockspitti: yeah, some armel card support 3D driver (as we had netbook-launcher working on them)10:29
didrockspitti: so, having a fallback plan, as with netbook-launcher is in range, but won't happen before alpha310:29
didrocksyesterday, unity wasn't on armel as the version FTBFS10:30
pittididrocks: ah, good to know; it just didn't look deliberate after the discussion from above10:31
* pitti hugs didrocks10:31
didrocksit was deliberate :)10:31
* didrocks hugs pitti10:31
didrocksbut I would prefer a better fallback solution than the one I added to netbook-launcher, we discussed a little about it with asac10:32
didrockswe'll figure out10:32
mdzwhere was the Mozilla maintenance change announced? I'm looking for a URL to link to11:08
mdzah, found it: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-June/000719.html11:09
mdzseb128: support != maintenance :-)11:09
seb128mdz, I copied the blueprint title ;-)11:10
seb128but right11:10
pittiseb128: hm, something confuses the hell out of me12:00
pittiPackage: gvfs12:00
pittiDepends: [...] libgvfscommon0 (>= 1.1.7)12:00
pittibut libgvfscommon0 is 1.6.1-0ubuntu1build112:00
pitti(on lucid, anyway)12:00
pittijust got a report about a broken upgrade due to that12:00
pittibut how did that _ever_ work and doesn't cause complete uninstallability?!?12:00
pittiargh, ignore me12:01
pitti1.7.1 != 1.1.712:01
chrisccoulsonheh ;)12:01
chrisccoulsoni was just thinking that12:01
pittiso why was it removed for that guy..12:01
* pitti asks12:01
pitti*brown paperbag*, sorry for the onise12:01
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rodrigo_hi12:07
rodrigo_is there anything wrong in this uscan line:12:07
rodrigo_http://download.gnome.org/sources/tomboy/([0-9.]+)/tomboy-([0-9.]+)\.tar\.gz12:07
rodrigo_bzr bd... doesn't seem to find the 1.2.1 tarball, which is there12:07
rodrigo_oh, I get another error before that -> dh: unable to load addon quilt: Can't locate Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/quilt.pm12:10
rodrigo_which package does this file come from?12:10
asacrodrigo_:12:12
asacpkg -S /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/quilt.pm12:12
asacquilt: /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/quilt.pm12:12
asacdpkg -S /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/quilt.pm12:13
asac;)12:13
rodrigo_hmm, I have it installed, it seems12:13
rodrigo_ah, no, I don't :)12:13
asaclol12:13
rodrigo_but it still can't find the tarball :(12:14
alf__didrocks: Hi! Did you get a chance to look at my experimental clutter egl packaging?12:16
didrocksalf__: that's next on my list :)12:17
alf__didrocks: great, thanks :)12:17
didrocksyou're welcome12:18
asacam i here?  ... damn connection - this week is clearly bad12:18
alf__asac: you are12:18
asacah ;)12:18
asacthere i am12:18
chrisccoulsonasac - i can't see you ;)12:18
seb128pitti, sorry I was at lunch, seems you sorted it by now ;-)12:18
asacchrisccoulson: i think thats a good thing ;)12:18
asaci try to not look in a mirror right now ;)12:19
chrisccoulsonlol12:19
seb128rodrigo_, weird12:19
seb128hey chrisccoulson, asac, glatzor12:19
rodrigo_seb128, I guess it's getting to an out-of-date mirror?12:20
chrisccoulsonhey seb128 - how are you?12:20
asachi seb12812:20
seb128rodrigo_, you get no clue in the log?12:20
seb128chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks, what about you?12:20
chrisccoulsonyeah, good thanks. i'm a bit sleepy today though12:21
asacalf__: so you said that the es11 and es22 lib is supposed to be binary compatible?12:21
seb128worked late again?12:21
asacif igts not we should ship it with different soname12:21
asacotherwise i dont see why we need to have different test packages for them12:21
chrisccoulsoni worked fairly late last night, fixing the few remaining issues with the hardy updates12:21
rodrigo_seb128, no, just that it can't get the tarball from that url12:21
seb128rodrigo_, is your debian dir somewhere online?12:22
seb128chrisccoulson, oh, ok, did you fix the font rendering one as well?12:22
rodrigo_seb128, no, it's just lp:ubuntu-desktop/tomboyubuntu branched, and added a patch to debian/patches12:22
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, that's fixed too12:22
rodrigo_seb128, I can push it if you want12:23
seb128rodrigo_, would be useful yes12:23
rodrigo_ok12:23
seb128chrisccoulson, well done!12:23
chrisccoulsonthanks :)12:23
alf__asac: Yes they are supposed to be compatible, so yes we could just have one eglx test package12:24
asacalf__: right. imo we should have that.12:24
alf__asac: I am 99.9% sure of this, that is why I have two different test packages now12:24
asacalf__: you can compare symbols files12:25
rodrigo_seb128, https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/maverick/tomboy/proxy-settings12:25
asacfor the es11 and es22 ... are those identical?12:25
alf__asac: right, will do12:25
asacalf__: if we could get rid of it that would be great. also i think the -tests package shouldnt start with lib...12:25
asacwe usually only use lib... prefix for libs12:25
Sarvattmutter will be usable with no hardware acceleration in MM at least :)12:25
alf__asac: ok12:26
asacalf__: so we could just ship "cutter-eglx-tests"12:26
asacor i guess12:26
asacclutter-1.0-eglx-tests12:27
asacand clutter-1.0-common-tests12:27
asacand clutter-1.0-glx-tests12:27
alf__asac: or clutter-glx-1.0-tests, clutter-eglx-1.0-tests?12:27
asacfor me the 1.0 refers to the clutter-1.0 source package12:27
asacbut not sure12:28
asacget more opinions ;) ... from didrocks and seb128 and others12:28
Sarvattasac: mesa is waiting to go through NEW  in debian, I patched it up to work with libdrm 2.4.21 we'll have at the same time so it shouldn't be long. in the process of redoing the mesa packaging so things work when we switch to 7.9 in a few weeks that is very different for the egl/gles stuff12:28
asacSarvatt: cool. did you just keep intel1 enabled for Archi: any ?12:28
asacthe package raof upped had a problem there ... imo intel1 should just be any12:29
Sarvattyeah until someone fixes plymouth :(12:29
asacthats fine. i dont see why just intel1 should be disabled on non intel archs ;)12:29
Sarvattit makes no sense to be any but it needs to be any because plymouth needs it on all arches..12:29
Sarvattbecause its just wasting space on non intel arches :)12:29
asacso it makes sense ;)12:29
asacyeah well. but afaik we also ship X drivers for hardware that will probably never exist for arm or sparc deployments ;) ... so its in line12:30
seb128rodrigo_, I think it looks for the newest version and find only the 1.3 serie12:31
Sarvattthey aren't always going to be installed actually wasting space though unlike libdrm-intel1 :)12:31
rodrigo_seb128, oh, why? it should be looking in the 1.2 directory, right?12:31
seb128rodrigo_, dunno12:31
seb128rodrigo_, you don't specify a serie in the watch it uses the newest12:31
seb128rodrigo_, get the lucid tarball?12:32
Sarvattswrast in mesa 7.9 can run compiz and mutter though so that'll all be usable on arm12:32
seb128rodrigo_, if you have a lucid-update deb-src it will just work12:32
rodrigo_seb128, well, this is for maverick, does maverick have the 1.3 version already?12:32
rodrigo_no, 1.2.112:32
seb128rodrigo_, no, but it might be a bug in the download code which is fixed in maverick and not lucid12:33
rodrigo_seb128, I'm on maverick12:33
seb128oh12:33
seb128well dunno12:34
rodrigo_seb128, can I just download the tarball and place it somewhere so that it doesn't try to get it?12:34
seb128it's a bug12:34
seb128you can12:34
seb128if you have a maverick deb-src it will just work12:34
seb128either make the watch point to the serie you use12:34
seb128or download the tarball yourself12:35
seb128or configure an ubuntu deb-src so it uses it12:35
rodrigo_so, place it in the parent dir?12:36
seb128yes12:36
seb128wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tomboy/tomboy_1.2.1.orig.tar.gz12:37
rodrigo_ok, that works, thanks!12:39
didrocksasac: you already have something to work on with asac's comment, don't you? I would just say in addition to this: don't change the packaging too much before ensuring debian will take it (like dh5 -> dh7, remove of debian/control.in and using debian quilt format 3)12:39
didrocksupss alf__ ^^12:39
asacdidrocks: well.12:40
asacdidrocks: current package i cdbs12:40
asacso if it moves somewhere it should move to dh712:40
asacdirectly12:40
didrocksasac: ok, is there a discussion with the DD responsible for that package? or do we want to diverge forever?12:40
slomoseb128: who was the guy with the gtk+3.0 package again? did you take a look at his package already?12:41
asacdidrocks: our goal should be to get the same features packaged in debian so we can sync at some point. we should start that discussion. if they want to go for cdbs we can work with them on that still and drop our packaging if it comes to it12:41
rodrigo_seb128, well, that patch does not apply to 1.2 :(12:42
asacif they want to adapt our packaging, even better ...12:42
rodrigo_seb128, can I upgrade to 1.3?12:42
asachaving a patch like this maintained as a downstream diff is painful in anyway; so either they adapt our features or we will be alone imo12:42
slomoseb128: this here? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.012:42
didrocksasac: agreed, just to ensure that the discussion has already began to have an easier adoption :)12:42
seb128rodrigo_, no12:42
rodrigo_seb128, ok12:43
asacdidrocks: hoped you opt in to that  ;)12:43
seb128slomo, right, the ppa there, ricotz12:43
slomoseb128: thanks12:43
seb128slomo, he's on #ubuntu-devel12:43
rodrigo_seb128, are you waiting for something before updating the 2.31/ tomboy 1.3?12:43
asacdidrocks: by ensuring you are happy with the direction it might be easier to our stuff upstreamed12:43
asace.g. we are one time contributors, while you maintain a constant relationship ;)12:43
asac(hopefully)12:43
seb128rodrigo_, we don't plan to update to 2.31 this cycle12:44
asacanyway, if not, we will ensure htis comunication happens12:44
rodrigo_seb128, ah, why?12:44
didrocksasac: great :)12:44
seb128rodrigo_, we don't want gtk3 in the default installation, not reliable schedule, and the transition will take over a cycle12:44
didrocksalf__: can you do asac's changes and then ping me back? I will do a closer review12:45
asaccool12:45
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, ok, we'll have to backport the patch to 1.2 then12:45
seb128rodrigo_, it conflicts with gtk2 at runtime so we would need to duplicate lot of sources to have gtk2 and gtk3 builds12:45
rodrigo_right12:45
seb128rodrigo_, which is an issue for cds and a non trivial transitions12:45
seb128rodrigo_, we plan it for next cycle, gtk3 will go to universe this cycle12:46
rodrigo_seb128, ok, good to know, we'll backport the patch then12:46
seb128rodrigo_, if the new tomboy will not depends on gtk3 we can update though12:46
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, don't know, I'll check12:46
seb128rodrigo_, you might want to try to figure what upstream wants to do12:46
rodrigo_yes12:46
seb128thanks12:46
seb128slomo, I didn't check his work no12:47
alf__asac, didrocks: It seems that clutter es11 an es20 are not compatible after all, at least symbol-wise... unless the differing symbols are internal and exposed by error. I'll check with upstream...12:54
asacalf__: what are those symbols?12:55
asaccogl_ stuff?12:55
alf__asac: yes12:56
alf__asac: eg cogl_fixed_vertex_shader_*12:56
asacthats coming from cogl/driver ... with some luck thats just internal and can be hidden12:58
asacalf__: so check with upstream12:59
asacalf__: you could try to add #pragma GCC visibility push(hidden)13:01
asacto the start13:01
asacand13:01
asac#pragma GCC visibility pop13:01
asacat the bottom of all .h files in cogl/cogl/driver/*/*.h13:01
asacwell start == after all other includes13:01
alf__asac: sure, I am waiting for upstream to confirm13:01
asacright. but if tests etc. stil build fine with that it should be ok13:02
asac(and if the symbols are really gone ;))13:02
om26erdidrocks, Hi! the latest upload of ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings in UNE ppa removed Unity session from GDM list, is that expected?13:08
didrocksom26er: hum, no, it's not13:08
didrocksapt-cache policy ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings && dpkg -L ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings13:09
didrocksI've tested the migration on my netbook and it worked13:09
om26erhmm, I actually downgraded and then it worked13:10
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didrocksom26er: can you try upgrade to latest version and dpkg -L, please?13:10
didrocksI confirm there that the session is installed13:10
alf__asac: although the correct way for a library would be to for everything hidden by default and push(default) explicitly for public symbols...13:11
alf__asac: but such is life :)13:11
om26erdidrocks, sure brb13:11
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om26erdidrocks, upgraded and its still there.13:13
om26ermean, now unity session works13:14
didrocksom26er: hum, that's weird, unfortunately, doesn't seem it's reproduceable so :)13:14
didrocksseems we are all good so :)13:14
didrockss#:)#:/13:14
om26erdidrocks, great, Thanks :)13:15
didrocksom26er: you're welcome13:15
didrocksom26er: and thanks for testing unity and your bug triaging work on UNE btw :)13:16
asacalf__: true.13:18
asacdidrocks: so how do we do mutter with gles?13:25
asace.g. how can i test/try that?13:25
asacguess i need to spin that aganst the egl clutter ... but what do i do with that then?13:25
didrocksasac: I would think, take the package in maverick, link against gles in a ppa, and launch it with mutter --replace13:25
asacdidrocks: you mean i could run that in my -efl sessioN?13:26
asacwhat would happen :)13:26
didrocksasac: with a device that doesn't support glx, right?13:26
asacyes13:27
didrocksso, yes, you can just run that in you -efl session13:27
didrocksit will replace metacity by mutter13:27
asacdidrocks: so we need mutter + unity built against gles/egl i guess?13:27
didrocksyou can see it really running as it have some little effects13:27
asacis there anything else we need to prepare to test the full stack?13:27
didrocksasac: right, but I think beginning with mutter only is the first step to see how it behaves13:28
didrocksno, mutter and unity is everything you need13:28
asacdidrocks: sure. however, plan is to get the full stack packaged and then let vendors and upstream developers collaborate on fixing things13:28
didrocksall the remaining things are just library without any rendering13:28
asacjust want to undersatnd how much work this will be on packaging side13:28
asacbut seems we are quite close with just unity and mutter missing13:28
didrocksasac: of course, you will need the other librairies, but nothing special for egl13:29
om26erdidrocks, its reproducable on the live cd(lucid) and also on new install( where I first got the problem). installing the previous version of *-default-settings and then upgrading works13:29
didrocksasac: you can depend on the lucid UNE ppa13:29
asacsure. but those are hopefully avaiable13:29
asacdidrocks: well. i need to copy this stuff to the native ppa i guess ... or is lucid UNE with arm ?13:29
asacbut i will check ;)13:29
asacdidrocks: do you have url for that lucid UNE ppa at hand?13:30
didrocksom26er: ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings is the package having all the dep, this one have to be installed13:30
didrocksasac: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-dx-team/+archive/une/13:30
asacthx13:30
asachmm. what is plasma-* stuff doing there ;)13:31
didrocksom26er: the instruction to install unity is now: 1 - add the UNE ppa, 2- install ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings13:31
asacis that ppa state to be considered stable?13:31
didrocksasac: yeah, dx team plays with the ppa too13:31
didrocksasac: right, for unity stuff at least13:31
asace.g. could it be that it doesnt work at all?13:31
didrocksI upgrade it once a week13:31
didrocksno, it's working, I'm trying it13:32
asacdidrocks: do you know out of your head what stuff i need from there that doesnt do rendering?13:32
didrocksasac: sure, one sec13:32
asaccoool thats helpful ;)13:32
didrocksasac: bamf, dee, libunity-misc, ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings, unity-asset-pool13:33
didrocksasac: then, you will need for rendering: clutk, mutter and unity13:33
asacdidrocks: right. let me copy all those for now and then we improve the rendering bits13:36
didrocksasac: ok, so you will stay on that version for now, right?13:37
didrocks(it's quite fresh, from yesterday's evening :))13:37
asacif there are updates coming soon we should wait for i can do that13:37
asacbut in the end i hope it doesnt make much of a difference; we can rebase the packaging changes required13:37
asacdidrocks: so the gtk menuproxy thing isnt needed?13:38
didrocksasac: no, this new version is only if you want your menu in the panel13:38
didrocksas indicator-datetime which is installed by default in UNE, I don't think you want to bother with that for now13:39
om26erdidrocks, on today's(20100611) UNE daily build there is only gnome session which might make it the same bug?13:39
asacok lots of things spinning now: https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+archive/armel1/+packages13:40
asacstay tuned13:40
didrocksom26er: I don't understand, did you try what I told you on a fresh install? 1 - add the ppa ; 2 - install ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings? that's how unity should be installed13:41
didrocksasac: and be afraid? ;)13:41
asacyeah!!!13:41
om26erdidrocks, yes exactly13:42
didrocksom26er: and then, you don't get the unity session?13:42
om26erdidrocks, no13:42
didrockshum, let me try13:43
om26eroh,, installing unity dont install default-settings?13:44
didrocksom26er: that's what I'm telling you from 15 minutes13:45
didrocks:)13:45
didrocksfor*13:45
om26eroh13:45
didrocksin maverick, ubuntu-netbook is the metapackage installing unity and the default-settings (as before, it was installing netbook-launcher and the default-settings)13:46
didrocksof course, we don't have a metapackage in the ppa13:46
didrocksso, it's the default-settings which contains the session which also have those deps13:46
* didrocks setup a wiki page13:47
pittihm, with yesterday's -proposed updates the keyboard indicator now has a different font and looks hideously blurry14:02
didrockshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Unity14:02
seb128pitti, right14:11
seb128pitti, it used to use cairo directy and is now pango rather...14:11
pittihm, why was that done in an SRU? appending an "1" for previously identical layouts doesn't seem to need a change in the font rendering, just in the displayed strings?14:13
seb128no14:13
seb128but he used cairo directly because he didn't know how to do otherwise before14:13
pittiah, so it's an independent change14:14
seb128but cairo has limitations14:14
seb128it doesn't respect some of the pango rendering and font settings14:14
seb128and there was crashers in the code14:14
asacdidrocks: mutter seems to not like us using clutter 1.3.x ;) http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50131541/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-armel.mutter_2.29.0-1ubuntu1dx3%2Br3435_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz14:14
asacdidrocks: guess i have to hack that out14:14
seb128upstream argue that the new code is better and has less bugs and that we should take it14:14
didrocksasac: more than possible, it's the first time having a new clutter is quite painful14:15
didrocksseb128: the new mutter?14:15
seb128didrocks, no, libgnomekbd14:15
didrocksoh sorry seb128, drop into the discussion14:15
seb128didrocks, I'm talking with pitti there ;-)14:15
didrocks:)14:15
asacdidrocks: so you think i should get rather new mutter from dev branch packagesd? or try to hack out the configure test?14:16
asacthe abi/api is compatible14:16
seb128pitti, well I find the rendering a bit less nice on some layouts as well but upstream said we should take the new version since it fixes some crashers and is the right way to do it14:16
didrocksasac: maybe try with ours for now. We are sure that unity is working with it14:17
pittiseb128: ack14:17
asacdidrocks: what do you mean with "ours"?14:18
didrocksasac: the current version in the ppa (with our patch)14:18
asacwe cant use the current clutter version ... that doesnt support egl/gles2 properly14:18
didrocksasac: you talked about mutter*14:18
didrocks"get rather new mutter"14:19
asacyeah. ok14:19
asacstrange that it complains14:19
asaci see it uses pkg-config --at-least 1.2.0 clutter-1.014:19
didrocksso, it should work…14:20
milanbvgit mutter has in configure.in14:20
milanbvCLUTTER_VERSION=1.2.014:20
asacyes, but then tries to use --atleast-version14:20
milanbvyeah14:20
asacand we have 1.3.x14:20
asachmm. did upstream move to clutter.pc from clutter-1.0.pc? or is that a packaging regression14:23
asacalf__: ^^14:23
asachmm ok thats the upstream buld system renaming14:26
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asacalf__: libclutter-1.0-dev lacks depends on the libjson thing14:32
asacadd that to the list of changes ;)14:32
alf__asac: ok, will fix14:32
pittidobey: maverick u1> it was/is probably stuck in NEW14:35
dobeypitti: hrmm. don't know, as i haven't gotten any e-mail about it. i just know it's built and lp says 'pending publication' for all archs14:38
dobeypitti: but if you can kick it into 'published' the world will love you :)14:39
* kenvandine would love you :)14:39
kenvandinecan't get files synced :/14:39
loolHmm second time I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/448252/ in a couple of days14:40
pittidobey: which source package was that? (sorry, I already deleted the bug mail, and only thought about telling you afterwards)14:41
dobeypitti: ubuntuone-client14:41
pittiah, ubuntuone-client is in NEW14:41
pittiprotobuf, too14:41
pittifor libsyncdaemon14:41
dobeyah, because of the new binary package?14:41
pittiright14:42
* pitti sends it to main and accepts14:42
dobeypitti: thanks!14:43
kenvandineawesome14:43
kenvandinei'll finally be able to see if the music store is fixed :)14:44
pittishoulld be published in 75 mins14:44
pittiprotobuf accepted as well, in case that's urgent14:44
kenvandinedoes anyone know what is causing this mouse jiter?14:44
kenvandinein maverick...14:45
kenvandinestarted happening to me yesterday, and last night bratsche saw it too14:45
* kenvandine doesn't know what package to look for bugs on :)14:45
seb128kenvandine, try #ubuntu-x14:46
dobeymy mouse was jittery when i 'came into work' today, and went to unlock the screen14:46
seb128likely a new xorg issue14:46
dobeybut i'm on lucid14:46
kenvandinedobey, weird....14:46
dobeyand i think it was due to chrome eating up my RAM14:46
kenvandineoh... that isn't my problem14:46
dobeychrome was at 30% usage, and firefox at like 25%14:46
dobeyfun times...14:46
kenvandinepitti, can you look at https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-ubuntu-one-file-sink-ui-changes15:20
kenvandinepitti, and see if you can tell why it isn't showing up on the ubuntuone-hackers burndown?15:21
SarvattRAOF: are you around? nvidia-* is still providing abi 6 and leaving people with it installed in a broken state, we really should just do a no change rebuild if you dont have the apport stuff ready15:45
Sarvatttseliot: can you upload no change rebuilds of nvidia-graphics-drivers* for maverick to unbreak people's systems? :) it's been 5 days now, they seem to be getting antsy :)15:54
tseliotSarvatt: X abi change? sure15:55
Sarvattyeah, 173 and under don't work without IgnoreABI still but current is fine, at least if the others were rebuilt the breaks: xserver-xorg-video-6 on xserver-xorg-core wouldn't be totally screwing people over15:56
seb128kenvandine, didrocks: could one of you do the empathy stable update as a sru?15:57
kenvandinedidrocks, do you have time?  i am feeling very behind today...15:57
Sarvatttseliot: thanks a ton!15:57
tseliotnp15:57
didrockskenvandine: can do, but it will be in a couple of hour, if not more…15:57
didrockskenvandine: I want to release Quickly 0.4.3 today15:58
didrockseverytime it's postponed…15:58
kenvandinedidrocks, ok... that is probably sooner than i could... i still haven't worked on anything i planned to work on today15:58
seb128didrocks, kenvandine: next week works as well no hurry15:58
kenvandineok15:58
* didrocks tries to do thing he couldn't for a long time15:58
didrocksso, next week, perfect :)15:58
kenvandinehehe :)15:58
seb128thanks15:59
seb128ccheney, there?15:59
* kenvandine grumbles about tomboy not working... 15:59
seb128ccheney, do you still plan to get the dictionnary and cifs bugs fixed for .1?15:59
rodrigo_where is there a list of packages in main?16:04
rodrigo_seb128, ^16:06
seb128why do you need that?16:06
seb128there is many way to check where a package is16:06
seb128or you can look to /var/lib/apt/lists16:06
seb128the indexes from apt are there16:07
seb128you can grep in the main one if you want16:07
rodrigo_ah, ok16:07
rodrigo_seb128, I'm going to do a MIR for MS office :D16:07
seb128lol16:07
rodrigo_seb128, no, seriously, we need python-libproxy for u1-client16:08
rodrigo_and want to check if libproxy is in main16:08
seb128it's in universe16:08
seb128but libproxy is in main16:08
seb128so you can depends on python-libproxy16:08
seb128we will promote it once something do16:08
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seb128ie the source is in main, the python binary is not because nothing use it16:09
rodrigo_seb128, ah, cool, so just need a MIR for python-libproxy16:09
seb128no16:09
seb128the source is in main16:09
seb128you don't need anything16:09
seb128just ping me when you upload something which use it16:09
rodrigo_seb128, ah, cool, dobey already uploaded a u1-client package that uses it16:10
rodrigo_that's how we found out :)16:10
seb128ok, let me promote it16:10
rodrigo_seb128, thanks16:14
rodrigo_dobey, problem solved! :D16:14
dobeywell partially16:15
kenvandinedobey, yay... syncdaemon is starting :)16:15
dobeyunless it got pulled in by ${python:Depends} anyway16:15
rodrigo_seb128, so, tomboy will not depend on gtk3, until gtk-sharp does the move, and tomboy would keep working ok with both gtk-sharp bindings16:25
rodrigo_seb128, sandy from tomboy says that he plans to keep supporting old distros, so can I then upgrade to 1.3?16:25
seb128yes16:25
rodrigo_seb128, if for some reason there is a gtk3 dep added, we can backport easily, right?16:26
rodrigo_seb128, not that it's going to happen, but just inc ase16:26
seb128backport what?16:26
rodrigo_backport to 1.216:26
rodrigo_the package16:26
seb128get the code to still work on gtk2?16:26
seb128or, downgrade16:26
seb128yes we could16:26
rodrigo_no, no16:26
rodrigo_upload the 1.2 version16:26
rodrigo_ok16:26
seb128kenvandine, can you do a quick dx, os update in the meeting when it's desktop turn?16:27
kenvandinerelease meeting?16:28
kenvandineok, dbarth usually does that16:28
kenvandinedid he update the wiki page?16:28
seb128kenvandine, it's our turn now16:30
kenvandineok16:30
seb128davidbarth, ^16:31
seb128davidbarth, not joining the release meeting for dx update?16:31
kenvandinehe might be in another meeting... i can try to cover it :)16:31
kenvandinedidn't prepare... but should know16:31
kenvandinejust point to me when it is time16:31
kenvandineunless davidbarth pipes up :)16:32
seb128kenvandine, sorry for the short notice but don't worry it's early in the cycle16:34
kenvandine:)16:34
davidbarthwhat's that16:34
seb128kenvandine, I've to admit I forgot those meetings where starting again today so didn't prepare either16:34
davidbarthi'm here in the meeting16:34
davidbarthmy turn?16:34
kenvandinedavidbarth, yeah... i covered for now... but you can take over :)16:34
davidbarthhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/MaverickReleaseStatus16:34
seb128davidbarth, seems kenvandine covered for you, sorry I messed up I checked for "dbarth"16:35
kenvandine:)16:35
seb128davidbarth, ok, your turn ;-)16:35
davidbarthkenvandine, seb128: thanks for covering for me, i was just finishing putting the report with all the links16:43
seb128davidbarth, np, sorry I checked the wrong nickname there ;-)16:44
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rickspencer3didrocks, congrats on releasing the latest version of your book!17:05
didrocksrickspencer3: heh, thanks, I was released during UDS, but I just didn't have the time to blog about it :)17:05
didrocks(and yes, it was finished BEFORE UDS, I didn't write it there :p)17:06
didrocksjust the last "read and fix rounds"17:06
seb128pitti, still there?17:21
pittiyes, apt is naughty17:22
seb128pitti, ok, I've sponsored appmenu-gtk for kenvandine, it's pretty trivial, not sure if you would have a few minutes to NEW review it before eow?17:22
pittican do17:27
seb128pitti, if that's not today that's fine don't feel forced to do it17:27
seb128pitti, on monday works as well17:28
seb128I will upload an indicator-appmenu as well in a bit17:28
pittiseb128: I can't do it on Monday17:30
pittibecause it's not in NEW17:31
seb128hmu?17:31
seb128oh17:31
pittithat's because it's in accepted :-P17:31
* seb128 hugs pitti17:31
seb128that was quick ;-)17:31
seb128^17:31
kenvandinehehe17:31
kenvandine:)17:31
pittinext time, flushing the changelog would be nice17:32
seb128pitti, do we have a policy about that? I was already wondering for the unity uploads17:32
seb128pitti, the indicator-appemenu is in NEW as well17:33
seb128pitti, if you still feel like reviewing one17:33
pittipolicy> not that I know of, it just looks odd for a new pacakge17:33
seb128I guess that would make jcastro and kenvandine happy to get that in universe today17:33
seb128I will bin-NEW later17:33
pittioh, I sent appmenu-gtk to main17:33
pittiit's trivial and our own breed17:33
kenvandineoh... thx... i'll do the MIR today then :)17:33
pittiwe don't need it in main?17:33
kenvandinewe do17:33
jcastroit would!17:34
kenvandinepitti, should i still do an mir bug?17:34
pittiwell, if you wish17:34
kenvandineindicator-appmenu needs to go to main as well17:34
pittibut the point of MIRs is mainly to review imported and thirrd-party packages; I already reviewed the packaging now, and there's little question about upstream and support17:34
kenvandineok17:35
pittikenvandine: but for a paper trail, a MIR bug might be good, yes; not sure whether other MIR team members share my opinion about this :)17:36
kenvandinepitti, already done17:36
pitticool, thaks17:37
pittikenvandine, seb128: hm, no debian/compat in indicator-appmenu?17:37
kenvandinepitti, so if you want to resolve bug 59273917:37
ubot2Launchpad bug 592739 in appmenu-gtk (Ubuntu) "[MIR] appmenu-gtk (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59273917:37
pittiah, cdbs creates it on the fly with "5" if you don't have one, doesn't it?17:39
pittikenvandine: done17:39
seb128pitti, yes, but that's a valid point, we should have one ideally17:39
pittii-appmenu NEWed17:40
seb128pitti, you rock, thanks17:42
seb128jcastro, ^17:42
jcastrothanks pitti!17:42
pittimy pleasure17:42
pittiseb128: how was the release meeting?17:43
kenvandinepitti, bug 59274317:44
ubot2Launchpad bug 592743 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) "[MIR] indicator-appmenu (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/59274317:44
seb128pitti, it went ok, not as well tidy that the end of cycle ones17:44
seb128pitti, ie, not so much specific points to track and no current r-m watching things17:44
seb128pitti, but it went ok otherwise ;-)17:45
pittigood17:45
pitti(except that no RM -> bad)17:45
seb128pitti, thanks for asking btw ;-)17:45
* seb128 hugs pitti17:45
pittiI just wondered whether you have any troubles right now17:45
pittiwith ReleaseStatus, etc.17:45
pittiand cracking the whip :)17:46
chrisccoulsonheh, "Dear ubuntu-mozillateam-bugs! 80% Sale continues" from Best ViagraPharmacy Online17:47
chrisccoulsonare these lists not moderated? ;)17:47
* didrocks thinks that seb128 found too easily the whip :)17:49
pittididrocks: gosh, all these wounds on your back!17:49
didrocksseeing that? it's terrible :p17:50
seb128pitti, no, I'm doing fine so far I think ;-) but good to think you are still around in case I've issues ;-)17:50
seb128didrocks, speaking of which and since you a still around, how busy are you tonight? ;-)17:51
* didrocks runs away17:51
* didrocks is already not there17:51
didrocksdon't try even :-)17:52
seb128lol17:52
* seb128 hugs didrocks17:52
didrocksseb128: more seriously, I will take one hour break, but still can do some stuff17:52
* didrocks hugs seb12817:52
* seb128 hugs pitti17:52
* didrocks hugs pitti too17:52
didrocks(take care of the wounds)17:52
seb128didrocks, I was joking, enjoy your weekend, you should call it a week not take a break17:52
* pitti hugs seb128 and didrocks17:52
seb128didrocks, you had a busy week and did great work17:53
seb128didrocks, nice to see unity landing so nicely in maverick and upgrade working without out17:53
seb128out -> issue17:53
seb128doh, tired ;-)17:53
didrocksseb128: well, tomorrow I have an uninteresting ubuntu party meeting all the afternoon, I can do some useful stuff meanwhile :)17:53
didrocksseb128: thanks :-)17:53
seb128didrocks, also thanks for making our workitems count catch up with the trend line17:53
seb128didrocks, you closed quite some bugs this week ;-)17:53
didrocksheh, that was a great target ^^17:53
didrocksseeing all this TODO -> DONE17:54
* didrocks breathes17:54
jcastrodidrocks: <317:54
seb128didrocks, say hello to kinouchou and others from me17:54
didrocksseb128: sure, I will :)17:54
pittihah, I bent apt to my will18:21
pittihave a nice weekend everyone!18:21
didrocksjcastro: hey20:05
didrocksjcastro: does the appmenu in lucid ppa works? On which package should I depend?20:05
jcastroYes it does!20:06
jcastrodidrocks: #ayatana please!20:06
ccheneyseb128: i believe so, i'm off until jun 18 though, is there a pending .1 deadline?20:14
* ccheney may have been looking at the wrong page but thought .1 was for late july20:14
seb128ccheney, hi, no hurry I was just checking they were still on your list20:20
ccheneyseb128: yea, i am planning on doing a full 3.2.1 update on OOo, hopefully soon after i return from paternity leave20:25
ccheneyseb128: i have quite a few SRUs to write up and verify at that time related to the update :)20:25
ccheneyiirc somewhere around 3020:25
seb128ccheney, ok, as said no hurry, enjoy your time off work for now ;-)20:26
seb128ccheney, when is the new openoffice going to be there?20:26
seb128ccheney, I was just checking because those were on the rt list for the meeting today20:27
ccheneyseb128: 3.2.1 is already released, but my MIRs are still waiting on doko to review from june 520:28
seb128ok20:28
ccheneyseb128: so the 3.2.1~rc hasn't been built yet for maverick20:28
seb128let's see that next week20:28
seb128it's weekend time for now20:28
ccheneyonce it has built everywhere and i can see i don't need to fix any other issues on various arch i will do an upload of the final version20:28
ccheneyafaik the 3.2.1 i uploaded is essentially the same as final, just had to be voted on for approval20:29
seb128ok20:29
ccheneythere are probably additional ooo-build fixes for it, but i pull those in for each new upload20:29
seb128ok20:30
seb128let's check when you are back to work20:30
seb128it's weekend time for me and you are not supposed to be working20:30
ccheneyok20:31
ccheneyfeeding the baby atm but will be around all week but lagged20:32
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