[00:23] anybody here? [00:24] ScottK: usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-layout-org.kde.plasma-desktop.defaultPanel.desktop is both in plasma-desktop.install and plasma-widget-workspace.install [00:26] same issue for usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-layout-org.kde.plasma-netbook.defaultPanel.desktop, plasma-widget-workspace and plasma-netbook [00:27] <3 the new doctor [00:28] who? [00:33] nvm [00:34] asac, ScottK: http://imagebin.ca/view/VU9wUy.html [00:36] for one reason or another it does not want to interact with me though :/ [00:36] [19:27:54] <3 the new doctor [00:36] [19:28:16] who? [00:36] exactly! [00:37] omg [00:37] JontheEchidna: go do revus :P [00:37] ah [00:37] dear lord in heaven [00:38] asac, ScottK: http://imagebin.ca/view/woxXgX.html [00:38] I am so magic [00:38] * apachelogger feels fluffy right now [00:38] http://imagebin.ca/view/S4E2EZM.html [00:39] http://imagebin.ca/view/kMzQEgI4.html [00:39] this is spam [00:41] <_EagleScreen> beauty spam [00:43] http://imagebin.ca/view/u1vjFOwy.html [00:43] this is all sorts of sweet [00:46] http://imagebin.ca/view/h_VzpK.html [00:46] look [00:46] volker sent me a mail ;) [00:46] anyhow [00:46] pretty sweet [00:47] also I think I broke my working kdepim now \o/ [01:00] apachelogger: will be done with revu once it pbuilds [01:08] apachelogger: revu'd [01:09] JontheEchidna: merci [01:16] btw, looks like source format 3.0 supports lzma .orig.tars. I'm betting soyuz probably doesn't :( [01:21] Is there any difference between doing "private slots: and "private Q_SLOTS:" ? [01:27] latter is considered more portable [01:27] JontheEchidna: also, yes, soyuz is not supporting lzma [01:28] * apachelogger actually requested that it gets added instead or in addition to bz2 [01:28] but oh well [01:41] ScottK, Riddell: grantlee should be waiting in new (for kjots 4.5) [01:45] Does anybody know where the categories for the system settings module are defined? [01:46] I'm tracking down a bug that the default applications option is not shown because it has X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category=workspace-appearance-and-behavior [01:46] which is not defined. [01:47] If i put replace the line by X-KDE-System-Settings-Parent-Category=network-settings it appears (but under network settings) [01:51] rbrunhuber: there's a list of .desktop files that system settings has [01:51] dpkg -L systemsettings | grep "/usr/share/kde4/services/settings*" [01:52] ^that'll list 'em. Just take the "settings-" off of the file name and the ".desktop" at the end [01:52] as a warning, they all changed in KDE 4.5 [01:52] JontheEchidna: I found them already but there are at least two misconfigured *.desktop files. [01:53] Best contact bcooksley, I believe he's the current systemsettings maintainer [01:53] JontheEchidna: One is component chooser that points to the non-existing Parent Category "workspace-appearance-and-behavior" [01:54] JontheEchidna: Do you still run lucid on one box? [01:54] Not at my house, no. I can access it monday [01:54] rbrunhuber: /usr/share/kde4/services/settings-workspace-appearance-and-behavior.desktop is new in KDE 4.5 [01:55] http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktophq1545-jpg.jpg [02:00] * JontheEchidna tries to understand wth is going on here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/448494/ [02:05] ah, I suppose I get it. they're iterating through the string until they find the ' character, then append everything to a new string until they hit another ' character [02:05] * JontheEchidna cries a little [02:06] JontheEchidna: Where did you copy this code from? [02:06] rbrunhuber: synaptic package manager [02:07] I'm looking at its "your conf file changed" handling [02:07] but since they are g* people they have never known what its like to have a proper string class :( [02:07] JontheEchidna: Are you developing on kpackagekit? [02:08] rbrunhuber: not exactly. ;) [02:08] though packagekit does use that snippet as well, if I recall [02:10] I'm making a Qt-based library for using apt, so that C++ apps wanting to use libapt-pkg can have a sane API to work with, and a single apt implementation to share [02:11] the code's in KDE playground, and there's a WIP backend for the shaman package manager in playground as well [02:12] JontheEchidna: I just asked because this time I forced myself to use kpackagekit since the release of lucid. But I really miss synaptic more and more every day that passed. [02:13] a full-featured package manager based on this library is probably a good 6-12 months off (don't want to rush it) but it is something I wish to do with the library. [02:20] JontheEchidna: Wouldn't it be easier to extend kpackagekit than to rewrite a packagemanager "from scratch"? [02:21] PackageKit has what I feel are fundamental flaws. It's also something that we don't have much control over in extending, since its main consumer is Fedora [02:22] (these flaws are also due to PK being designed for yum-based systems) [02:36] <_EagleScreen> there ins't any good package manager focused to Debian/Ubuntu & KDE since Adept 3.0 is unmaintained [02:36] <_EagleScreen> Kpackagekit has some lacks [02:37] <_EagleScreen> continuing Adept or making a Qt4/KDE4 synaptic port/clone would be great [02:40] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137234 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/worker/ (worker.cpp workerinstallprogress.cpp workerinstallprogress.h) The worker now emits a question when it encounters a conffile change during install. It's totally untested, and doesn't emit a diff of the two files. [02:45] JontheEchidna: debconf-kde is almost finished now :D it doesn't look that crapy code it was before, but i geting some ibus warnings, do you know what this could be about? I don't even know what ibus is :P [02:46] JontheEchidna: and about conf file you won't need to worry about that hopefully in the future, i just need to write some emails to make dpkg use debconf for that.. [02:48] \o/ [02:48] _EagleScreen: the target of both applications are completely different, show synaptic to a user just want to use the computer and he'll hate "linux", too many option, that's why shaman + libapt-qt will be good [02:49] dantti: ibus is for inputting characters for asian languages. If its not installed, gui Qt apps will give that error. It's harmless, though a bit annoying [02:49] There's room in the world for both KPackageKit and Power User package managers :) [02:49] _EagleScreen: kpackagekit aims to be easier to the average user, but it also fails, since users actually want's to care about applications [02:50] JontheEchidna: ok, :D thanks for the tip, i think i never saw that while i was using debian... [02:50] yeah, it's kubuntu-specific. We have patches that enable ibus by default, for the sake of chinese/japanese speaking people [02:51] <_EagleScreen> yes but give packagekit a user who wants manage his Linux (not newbie) and it will think that Kubuntu is..... "bad" [02:51] its a side-effect, but it helps with the language support [02:52] _EagleScreen: that's why a more power tool is needed, but wanting to have all the use cases in just one tool is like chasing the wind :P [02:52] <_EagleScreen> yes [02:53] <_EagleScreen> there must be two apps or frontends: one for newbies like Software Centre, and other for advanced users like Synaptic (a moment! Ubuntu seems almost perfect here!) [02:54] brb [02:57] _EagleScreen: to me we need 3 applications :P one for packages to newbies & friends (KPackageKit), another for applications (when i finish fixing kpk), and a power on like synaptics (i think shaman could do it here). [02:57] tough I prefer aptitude cmd line :P [02:59] <_EagleScreen> I prefer synaptic, very confortable [03:13] apachelogger: grantlee in new queue has no changes compared to my revu :( [03:13] it will ftbfs [03:17] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137238 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/globals.h TODO-- [03:24] people, am I the only person having problems with logging in with the new KDE upgrades? [03:25] I always check to see whether or not my touchpad is working [03:25] since it's always a bit chancy [03:26] but since the upgrades, if my touchpad doesn't work, neither will my USB mouse [03:26] which means I have to use control alt F1 [03:26] and shut down from there [03:27] I have yet to upgrade to Maverick... [03:27] I don't know how to get useful debug info [03:27] but am willing to file a bug if that would be useful [03:28] Platform Version 4.4.85 (KDE 4.4.85 (KDE 4.5 Beta2)) [03:31] and should it be a b.k.o bug, or launchpad? === khindenburg_ is now known as khindenburg [04:45] * nigelb pouts at kubuntu folks [04:45] why am I running into a lot of kubuntu bugs with patches :/ [08:21] * jussi pouts back at nigelb [10:29] brrr [10:37] jussi: well, for what its worth, I'm going throguh the patches [10:38] some of them are good and the others are already in, so you folks are doing a good job :) [10:38] nigelb: the simple fact is we just dont have enough people to get through all of them [10:38] jussi: I know, I'm trying to help with *at least* the patches :) [10:39] :) [10:39] jussi: honestly, its nice to be back with bugs, been long since I triaged :) [10:40] * apachelogger feels like a 3 day old french fries [10:40] apachelogger: how come? [10:40] JontheEchidna: thanks for checking, redoing now :/ [10:40] apachelogger: btw, fluffy looks awesome. I wanna try and get my cousin on it :) [10:40] I went too late (or early depending on the POV) to bed for a too long period of time [10:41] \o/ fluffy \o/ [10:55] apachelogger: coool ... thas 4.5 kdepim (on the screens)? [10:56] asac: kdepim-mobile [10:56] the regular stuff would break my setup ^^ [10:57] there is even one gigantic warning message for kmail that goes like "DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT USING THIS" ^^ [10:59] ScottK, Riddell: please reject the previous grantlee upload, new one will arrive in a second or two === amichairo is now known as amichair [11:10] apachelogger: so we can package kdepim-mobile independently from kdepim? [11:12] ScottK: that kdepim 4.4.4 still open? [11:14] seems so :) [11:16] ScottK: kdepim 4.4.4 wip for maverick :D [11:26] Riddell: ahh.. you seem to have released 4.4.4 kdepim... [11:28] asac: no, it is part of it [11:30] asac: what we could do is have it have a different path /opt/kdepim-mobile so it does not conflict with regular kdepim (should that become necessary, i.e. Kubuntu having kdepim 4.4 and you wanting to deploy 4.5 one way or another) [11:30] from what I have seen most of it should be easily sandboxable === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ [11:55] hmm.. anyone know if the deps on kdoctools was fixed in maverick or are we waiting for kde to fix the docbooks themselves? [12:11] hrm, can someone try playing an mp4 and tell me if it eats their PC? [12:11] seems to go crazy trying to play mp4's here - have to reset the pc... [12:12] what app do you use? [12:16] jussi: mp4 is a container [12:17] if that contains super duper highresolution low-compression content it might very well eat your system I suppose [12:18] apachelogger: its h264 [12:18] never seen that eat my cpu [12:18] then again I havent seen much of that junk ^^ [12:33] apachelogger: old grantlee rejected [12:52] Riddell: thx [13:03] Riddell: im fixing plasma-widget-networkmanagement for maverick,think you can upload it? [13:03] the maverick packages have been copied over from lucid [13:05] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137327 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (5 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed) [13:05] Add a changelogUrl() to QApt::Package to construct a URL from which the client [13:05] can fetch a changelog. I would fetch it and return a location on the hard drive, [13:07] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137328 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (example/qapttest.cpp src/package.cpp) Get rid of the extra '/' in the url. Not hurting anything, but technically shouldn't be there... [13:18] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137333 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (example/qapttest.cpp src/package.cpp src/package.h) Add a screenshotUrl function to QApt::Package, the return value of which consumers can use to fetch a changelog via KIO or QNetworkAccessManager or whatever. [13:26] Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/ubuntu/+merge/27418 [13:33] anyone else having kde 4.5 beta2 plasma crashes when closing the kde session ? [13:34] http://kde.pastey.net/137613 http://kde.pastey.net/137614 [13:41] Hi, I can't see videos anymore on Kaffeine with kde4.5beta2, I'm only see transparent windows, but I have audio, any ideas plz? [14:01] anyone around to do a bzr merge? [14:02] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/ubuntu/+merge/27421 [15:09] apachelogger: around? [15:11] ok suppose we can get kopete chat with google voice support but its possible only through our own patching,the patch is on the kde review board as well,so can we use it? [15:18] shadeslayer: kdepim is still 4.4.3: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/ [15:19] ScottK: hmm.. well Riddell seems to have updated bzr [15:19] Ah. [15:19] Didn't look there. [15:19] Maybe Riddell will upload it then ... [15:21] lex79: Just uploaded -workspace. Thanks. Riddell: -workspace will hit binary New again and we'll need to do some rebuilds due to BIC changes. It's my upload, so up to you to do the Newing. [15:34] ScottK: ok [15:48] Anyone know how to tile windows in the beta? I can't figure it out [16:07] ScottK: one more thing... can you merge this : https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/ubuntu/+merge/27421 [16:08] shadeslayer: We'll need to upload p-w-n after -workspace builds, but I'm tied up with stuff right now, so maybe someone else can review it. [16:08] sure :) [16:12] * shadeslayer wonders who else is a kubuntu-member [16:16] apachelogger: can we ship kopete with google voice talk packages in maverick? [16:16] im about to start working on the package [16:17] ( this would be a pretty good feature :P ) [17:09] * shadeslayer gets his daily shot of pinkiness from http://fluffy.jussi01.com/ [17:12] heh [17:13] pink is awesome, especially when there are little kids around you :) [17:14] :P [17:15] * nigelb wants to impress cousin in a few weeks [17:18] any devs around? [17:18] was wondering if we need to keep the lines 1369 onwards in kopete packaging... http://pastebin.com/qJgMzX1n [17:19] im enabling google talk support in kopete package for maverick [17:20] as of now the status is that we will have to add a custom build flag and file a MIR against one Linphone [17:20] shadeslayer: possibly we could ship it, this mainly depends on the size of dependencies though, we do not have infinite space on the CD :/ [17:20] apachelogger: hmmm [17:21] apachelogger: any idea on the diff i pasted? [17:21] line 1369 onwards... [17:22] shadeslayer: is that a merge or something? [17:23] because this all seems VERY WRONG [17:23] apachelogger: nope... ive taken a diff between the package which has jingle support and our official packages [17:23] yeah, we do not want that stuff at all [17:23] its the diff of just the debian/ folder [17:23] apachelogger: of course... im just going to add the build deps and a flag for jingle support [17:23] right [17:25] * shadeslayer will have to file 2 MIR's too [17:25] apachelogger: no need for them lines then right? [17:31] shadeslayer: dont think so [17:31] it looks to me like they are just adding more junk into the source package [17:31] well, junk because it does not belong there ;) [17:31] ok... building with jingle support \o/ [17:33] apachelogger: how do i add ccache support to my builds? [17:35] *shrug* [17:36] hmm.. [18:07] w00t .... testers needed for kopte + google voice support [18:10] o/ [18:10] although I am a bit low on CPU cycles right now ^^ [18:11] * apachelogger is building 3 projects right now :/ [18:13] apachelogger: hmm.. i installed locally and it says cannot start process googletalk-call [18:13] check your install of kopete [18:13] :P [18:13] I suppose your packaging is flawed :P [18:13] :D [18:13] probably... where do i start :D [18:14] I dunno [18:14] iDunno(tm) [18:14] well atleast there are greyed out " Start Audio Call buttons " :P [18:15] apachelogger: your on lucid right? [18:16] aye [18:16] I think [18:16] will have to backport lucid packages...... [18:16] *checking* [18:16] ...yes... [18:16] apachelogger: packages will appear here : https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra [18:16] actually I am on fluffy right now *giggle* [18:16] as and when i get this issue sorted :) [18:16] apachelogger: kopete should work with fluffy :D [18:16] then kubuntu users can call up fluffy users [18:17] that would be so funny [18:17] that is totally joint-venture [18:17] and tell them about the fluffiness :P [18:17] oi oi oi [18:17] lp:~kubuntu-members/plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets/ubuntu [18:18] super awesome branch \o/ [18:18] apachelogger: aha found it [18:19] i need to add a package for the googlecall thingy [18:19] see :P [18:19] shadeslayer: question is if we want it packaged individually though [18:19] hmm... [18:19] apachelogger: what do you suggest? [18:19] shadeslayer: I'd toss it into the regular kopete package for now [18:20] once it is proofen that it works we can decided whether to create an independent package before main inclusion and stuff [18:20] hmm [18:20] true [18:20] * apachelogger wishes Riddell was here :/ [18:21] Nightrose: ! [18:21] Nightrose: look what I did https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets/ubuntu [18:21] somebody hug me please [18:21] * shadeslayer gives apachelogger hugs [18:21] \o/ [18:21] * apachelogger hugs shadeslayer right back [18:21] whee... googlegadget support :D [18:22] 10.10 is going to be 10/10 :D [18:25] this will take another 30 mins to build -.- [18:33] * Nightrose uberhugs apachelogger [18:53] apachelogger: MOI? [18:54] Riddell: oui, toi :) [18:54] Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets/ubuntu [18:54] \o/ [18:54] whee [18:54] seems to working (as much as one can expect) I'll upload to revu in a bit [18:55] a "be" seems to be missing somewhere ^^ [19:07] Riddell: when is the kubuntu council meet> [19:09] when we have a complete kubuntu council :) [19:10] next week we vote [19:10] meet week after with any luck [19:11] ok :D [19:12] * shadeslayer gets back to kopete [19:16] is there a rekonq package available that is 4.5beta2 friendly? I don't seem to find one [19:17] claydoh: theres 0.4.95 [19:17] claydoh: i can package it if you want,in my PPA [19:17] I was wondering if there was one out there before I tried it on my own :) [19:17] claydoh: or use git https://edge.launchpad.net/~rekonq/+archive/rekonq-daily [19:18] claydoh: those are git snapshots :D [19:18] * claydoh tends towards laziness, as my kmymoney package updates can attest to :) [19:18] any MOTU around? [19:18] or our MOTO? [19:19] * apachelogger pings neversfelde [19:19] whats MOTO? [19:19] shadeslayer: that you'll need to ask neversfelde [19:19] hehe :D [19:20] ah fooey [19:20] * apachelogger pokes pbuilder for building for the wrong series [19:22] any idea what this means : http://pastebin.com/GmjZnHZG [19:23] oh my [19:23] scrap that [19:23] i should have seen that error carefully 3 rebuilds ago :) [19:25] * apachelogger looks [19:26] hm [19:26] shadeslayer: I think the error is pretty clear :) [19:26] The cause might however not... [19:27] kubotu: topic replace 1 Welcome === kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome | Alpha 1 released! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | Ninjas 4.5 beta 2 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | Kubuntu Council Needs You for election candidate | speakers wanted https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay [19:27] beta2 packaging is all done, isnt it? [19:30] apachelogger: the cause is that i modified the changelog after starting the build :P [19:30] so it searches for the wrong .dsc file... or thats what i think it is [19:30] shadeslayer: That you should not do I suppose :P [19:31] yeah.. i was in the wrong folder :P [19:31] i have clones of the same folder sitting in 2 different locations... to see what i did wrong and revert it :) [19:32] Riddell: btw, the akonadi addressbook magic for U1 is already working with kdepim-mobile http://imagebin.ca/view/kMzQEgI4.html ;) [20:29] apachelogger: Riddell we can haz google voice support in kopete :D [20:29] working insanely awesome [20:30] apachelogger: lucid packages soonish [20:40] ok strange thing.. i can call the guy and he picks it up,works fine,the guy calls back,i pick up doesnt work :P [20:42] anyone else want to test kopete + Google voice chat? [20:47] Maverick and lucid packages up at : https://edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra [20:48] !info libmediastreamer-dev lucid [20:48] libmediastreamer-dev (source: linphone): linphone web phone's media library. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.1-1ubuntu4 (lucid), package size 23 kB, installed size 224 kB === yofel_ is now known as yofel [21:04] !info libboost1.42-dev lucid [21:04] Package libboost1.42-dev does not exist in lucid [21:29] * shadeslayer wonders if anyone is around :) [21:47] shadeslayer_: you have to use libboost1.40-dev for lucid packages [21:47] and 1.42 for maverick [22:17] shadeslayer_: lovely! [22:38] lex79: changed in packaging,realised that later on :) [22:38] Riddell: i just need to fix some kinks... like why we cant accept calls but make them [22:39] testers wanted for that :) [22:39] and now to file the 2 MIR's we need.... but before that Riddell is the package size sane? and can it be added to the CD? [22:43] apachelogger: total size increase == 400 KB :) [22:44] from packaging in archives vs my ppa packaging [22:44] ( just for kopete amd64 ) [22:48] usr/include/krdc/hostpreferences.h << that should typically go into libkrdc-dev right? or krdc-dev ? but no such install file :( [22:55] shadeslayer_: what does one need for testing the gcall app? [22:55] valorie: gcall app? [22:56] google voice support in kopete [22:56] sorry [22:56] valorie: oh you mean kopete + google call ? [22:56] valorie: oh you mean kopete + google call ? [22:56] are you looking for lucid testers, or only Mav? [22:57] valorie: well you need a google account and a friend who has gtalk or same kopete package [22:57] valorie: either will do... [22:57] I have a grandcentral number [22:57] and I think maco does too [22:58] valorie: currently you can only make the call... on receiving theres no voice :P [22:58] useful [22:58] I just remembered that I don't have a working mic here [22:58] for some reason [22:58] so like you call someone else through kopete,it will work,if someone calls you and you pick up,no voice :) [22:58] valorie: awww... :) [22:59] I installed skype and the camera works [22:59] but no sound.... [22:59] I haven't had time to figure out why [22:59] supposedly there is a digital mic on this lappy [23:04] shadeslayer_: what are the MIRs? [23:04] one sec [23:04] shadeslayer_: did you try to prepare any security fix? [23:04] Riddell: libmediastreamer-dev and libortp-dev [23:05] ari-tczew: for what? [23:05] ari-tczew: oh that [23:05] shadeslayer_: anywhere [23:05] ari-tczew: no :( [23:05] ari-tczew: ill look into it tommorow :) [23:05] ok [23:05] was focused on getting kopete to work with google voice :) [23:06] Riddell: also could you have a look at the size of kopete and libkopete and see if they are a viable option to be included in the archive ( and thus the CD ) [23:06] is it possible in order to B-D on libqt4-webkit-dev in kadu causing a crash PC? [23:08] hmm, they're from linphone, not sure that'll get into main [23:08] still, worth a shot [23:08] how do you mean the size of kopete and libkopete? [23:08] Riddell: yeah.. [23:09] Riddell: like since we added a build dep,number of features have increased,thus size of package increased [23:09] ( by about 500 KB for amd64 builds _ [23:10] hard to say at this stage in the cycle, we still have plasma-netbook to add to the CDs [23:10] ah.. right :) [23:12] Riddell: btw what are the chances of linphone getting into main? [23:12] shadeslayer: no idea, if it's just those libraries then it's more likely I guess [23:13] Riddell: hmm.. we just need those 2 libs... nothing else [23:13] mind an mention that in the MIR then [23:13] * Riddell snoozes [23:13] Riddell: ok.. will file MIR tomorrow :) [23:14] will upload a new version of package in short while.. this one should be final i guess [23:15] i wonder where usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.kppp.xml would go... [23:15] * shadeslayer puts it in kppp.install [23:17] nah... the last upload has it all