[19:57] <IdleOne> meeting in 1 hour?
[20:18] <nhandler> IdleOne: Yes
[20:18] <IdleOne> nhandler: thank you
[20:50] <ubuntujenkins> the manual meeting is in #ubuntu-manual in ten minutes not here
[21:00] <nhandler> Looks like meeting time
[21:00] <nhandler> jussi, topyli, Pici, tsimpson: Who is here?
[21:00] <topyli> o/
[21:00] <godbyk> For any Ubuntu Manual folks in here, we'll be meeting in #ubuntu-manual.
[21:01] <Pici> ♫
[21:01] <tsimpson|n800> o/
[21:03] <topyli> #startmeeting
[21:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:03. The chair is topyli.
[21:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:03] <topyli> so we have a nice short agenda
[21:03] <nhandler> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[21:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[21:03] <topyli> [TOPIC] Official Adoption of the operatorguide
[21:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Official Adoption of the operatorguide
[21:04] <nhandler> I can talk about it since jussi appears not to be here
[21:04] <topyli> ok
[21:04] <Pici> ok
[21:04] <nhandler> A few meetings ago, we decided to work on creating an operator guide. Thanks to some help from the community, the guide is basically complete
[21:04] <nhandler> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nhandler/OperatorGuide
[21:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nhandler/OperatorGuide
[21:05] <nhandler> I still want to add a section about when/how to escalate certain issues to the IRCC/freenode staff, but the guide is probably complete enough to officially adopt
[21:05] <topyli> it's certainly useful already
[21:06] <Pici> It looks good to me :)
[21:06] <tsimpson|n800> it should be quite useful, especially for newer ops
[21:06] <nhandler> Can anyone think of a reason not to officially adopt it and move it to the team's namespace ?
[21:07] <Pici> I cannot.
[21:07] <jussi> o/
[21:07] <jussi> sorry im late
[21:07] <tsimpson|n800> i'm happy enough with it to recommend adopting it
[21:07] <nhandler> jussi: Anything you want to add about this item?
[21:07] <jussi> I think it should be adopted, with the caveat that its organic and will grow as we think of stuff
[21:07] <nhandler> Agreed. It is just a guide, not policy, so I think changing it is fine
[21:08] <topyli> yes
[21:08] <jussi> you want to have a vote?
[21:08] <nhandler> If we adopt it, it might be useful to add a factoid or 2 linking to it, update some of our other wiki pages to link to it, and link to it when helping people with IRC issues
[21:09] <topyli> maybe a vote is not needed, we seem to have agreement, no?
[21:09] <jussi> yes, there should be an !opguide factoid
[21:09] <nhandler> If nobody disagrees with my above suggestion, I can take that action
[21:09] <jussi> topyli: vote makes it easier on the minutes writer ;)
[21:09] <jussi> nhandler: +1
[21:10] <topyli> we can [agree] :)
[21:10] <Pici> [agreed]
[21:10] <tsimpson|n800> it's not policy, so i guess a vote is not strictly needed
[21:10] <Pici> Argh, do we have to have a vote to see whether we should vote on the document?
[21:10] <topyli> hehehe
[21:11] <topyli> alright then.
[21:11] <jussi> whatever
[21:11] <nhandler> Either way, topyli, can you give me the action?
[21:11] <topyli> [VOTE] adopt the operator guide
[21:11] <MootBot> Please vote on:  adopt the operator guide.
[21:11] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:11] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:11] <jussi> +1
[21:11] <MootBot> +1 received from jussi. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:11] <nhandler> +1
[21:11] <Pici> +1
[21:11] <MootBot> +1 received from Pici. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:11] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:11] <topyli> +1
[21:11] <MootBot> +1 received from topyli. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:11] <tsimpson|n800> +1
[21:11] <MootBot> +1 received from tsimpson|n800. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:11] <topyli> #endvote
[21:12] <topyli> [ENDVOTE]
[21:12] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[21:12] <topyli> yay
[21:12] <jussi> so, anything else?
[21:13] <Pici> Anything else on the agenda?
[21:13] <topyli> nhandler: you will add the factoid?
[21:13] <nhandler> We need an [AGREED] and [ACTION] for that vote still topyli
[21:13] <nhandler> topyli: Yeah, and update the wiki
[21:13] <tsimpson|n800> let's [agreed] and [action]... what nhandler said
[21:13] <topyli> [AGREED] adopt the operator guide
[21:13] <MootBot> AGREED received:  adopt the operator guide
[21:13] <nhandler> Did the LoCo Council have their meeting yet? I haven't seen an email to the list about the channel logging yet
[21:13] <topyli> [ACTION] nhandler to update wiki and add a !opguide factoid
[21:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nhandler to update wiki and add a !opguide factoid
[21:14] <topyli> nhandler: nor i
[21:15] <jussi> right, so anything else?
[21:15] <jussi> any new bugs?
[21:16] <nhandler> Not that I've seen. I think we got a reply on the bug we discussed at the last meeting though
[21:16] <tsimpson|n800> we got a reply, but the bug is still open
[21:18] <topyli> anything we can do about it? all i can think about is nag
[21:18] <IdleOne> Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is the bug in question?
[21:19] <nhandler> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/guadalinex/+bug/513915
[21:19] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/guadalinex/+bug/513915
[21:19] <topyli> oh fast
[21:19] <IdleOne> I see
[21:19] <tsimpson|n800> they said the would be able to close the bug last week (?)
[21:20] <tsimpson|n800> just haven't got the final "ok, fixed" yet
[21:20] <nhandler> I think we can just wait. Not much more we need to do with that
[21:21] <topyli> are we actually seeing lots of those users these days?
[21:21] <tsimpson|n800> not that i can see
[21:21] <topyli> yeah
[21:21] <IdleOne> not as many
[21:21] <IdleOne> as we used to
[21:22] <jussi> Ok, not much we can do there, so anything else?
[21:22] <nhandler> I don't have anything else to discuss.
[21:22] <IdleOne> the bug page says fix released
[21:22] <nhandler> IdleOne: Only for one of the tasks
[21:22] <topyli> ok, let's wrap it up then
[21:23] <tsimpson|n800> IdleOne: there are 2 tasks
[21:23] <Pici> they are two different distros apparently, or something
[21:23] <nhandler> topyli: You will take care of the fixed agenda items, correct?
[21:23] <topyli> nhandler: yes
[21:24] <topyli> #endmeeting
[21:24] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:24.
[21:24] <topyli> almost forgot :)
[21:24] <topyli> maybe i should actually learn to chair before chairing :)
[21:24] <topyli> thanks everyone
[21:25] <Pici> have a good day everyon :)