[01:55] <lex79> JontheEchidna: around? :)
[01:56] <JontheEchidna> lex79: yeah
[01:56] <lex79> hihih :)
[01:56] <lex79> JontheEchidna: you should upload these packages https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa/+packages
[01:57] <lex79> I renamed two libraries in -workspace, so we need a rebuild for the transitions
[01:57] <lex79> don't upload -workspace from my ppa, it's already uploaded :)
[01:57] <lex79> and drop +ppa1 from plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> have the renamed libraries made it through new queue yet?
[01:58] <lex79> they are already out from "new"
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> ok
[01:59] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I think... look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu2
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> looks about right to me
[01:59] <lex79> kk
[02:00] <lex79> I'm doing also digikam but it need mysql now
[02:00] <lex79> it has a feauture like amarok http://www.flickr.com/photos/digikam/4681000883/sizes/l/
[02:02] <lex79> JontheEchidna: do you know why we build amarok with libmysqld-pic as build-dep and mysql-server-5.1 as build-depends-indep ? :/
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> because amarok uses mysqle
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> e == embedded
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> so that there isn't a need for an external mysql server
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> digikam might not need mysql at build time
[02:04] <lex79> uhm, no, digikam need mysqld since this release
[02:04] <lex79> 1.3.0
[02:04] <lex79> and wont build without it
[02:05] <lex79> I add now mysql-server-5.1 in build-dep and built
[02:07] <JontheEchidna> I think if you commented out line 179 - 192 of http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/graphics/digikam/CMakeLists.txt?revision=1135982&view=markup that there's a chance you could build digikam without installing the whole server
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> It's just a check to make sure mysql is on the system for runtime, I think
[02:09] <lex79> ok I'll try
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> ok, maybe not... kde svn 1109969
[02:10] <JontheEchidna> stinky :(
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> But then, this is the upstream that made 1.3.0 depend on trunk kdegraphics, so they're obviously not to knowledgable on how to distribute software...
[02:12] <lex79> uhm :(
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> That puts Debian in a bit of a tough situation, since they're shipping squeeze with 4.4
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> lex79: does kdeplasma-addons need uploading too?
[02:16] <lex79> yes it does
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> ok
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> lex79: could you put in in bzr please?
[02:17] <lex79> yes
[02:17] <JontheEchidna> thx
[02:19] <lex79> JontheEchidna: done, I'm doing kdeutils
[02:21] <lex79> kdeuitls in bzr
[03:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna and lex79: those rebuilds will misbuild on the slow archs and we'll have to do them again.
[03:21] <ScottK> (unless the FTBFS, of course)
[03:21] <ScottK> the/they
[03:21] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: they should FTBFS, since the build-dep version was bumped
[03:22] <ScottK> OK.
[03:22] <ScottK> Good to hear.
[03:22] <JontheEchidna> lex79: ^would be nice to have that sort of thing documented in debian/changleog, in the future
[03:23] <lex79> JontheEchidna: ok, I didnt't bump the build-dep version in kdeplasma-addons and kdeutils since we use kde-sc-dev-latest and we use >= 4:4.4
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> doh
[03:24] <ScottK> Those will both fail anway.
[03:25] <lex79> -workspace I think is ftbs on the slow archs, like the others KDE packages
[03:26] <ScottK> It is, although I'm getting close on ia64.
[03:32] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137466 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Add isSupported() and supportedUntil() functions to QApt::Package, to determine if and how long a package is supported by Canonical
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> ktorrent magnet link support == <3
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> anybody know why kinfocenter only has one module?
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> kmix vs knetworkmanager -- confusing: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopx14685-jpg.jpg
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> I always hit networkmanager :(
[03:54] <lex79> what do you mean for one module?
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> lex79: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoph14685-jpg.jpg
[03:59] <lex79> JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/HM9zCp.html
[04:01] <JontheEchidna> quad core, lucky
[04:02] <lex79> :)
[04:02] <JontheEchidna> aha, fixed in https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu2
[04:03] <lex79> ah, I've already 0ubuntu2 :P
[04:11] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137470 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp s/i++/++i
[08:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: mind the dependencies (re increased size)
[09:06] <apachelogger> kubotu: quit
[09:24] <valorie> has there been any discussion of packaging qtgain for *buntu?
[09:24] <valorie> it's available as a .deb, but I'm hesitant to dl a random .deb
[09:24] <valorie> http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php?action=content&content=56842
[09:25] <valorie> it's a front end for vorbis gain, mp3gain, etc.
[09:30] <apachelogger> isnt amarok a frontend for that too? ^^
[09:32] <apachelogger> valorie: seems packagable
[09:32] <valorie> amarok reads gain tags
[09:32] <valorie> but doesn't write them
[09:33] <valorie> before this, the only thing I've seen that will write them was in windows
[09:33] <valorie> so people were using wine to do it
[09:33] <valorie> I was going to write an howto article for the Insider
[09:34] <valorie> but couldn't find a linux replaygain tagger
[09:34] <valorie> then someone suggested this in the forum
[09:34] <valorie> how do I request this?
[09:39] <apachelogger> Oo
[09:39] <apachelogger> aacgain uses cvs
[09:39] <apachelogger> C
[09:39] <apachelogger> V
[09:39] <apachelogger> S
[09:39]  * apachelogger is scared
[09:39] <valorie> what is that?
[09:40] <jussi> similar to svn, but nasty
[09:40] <apachelogger> well
[09:40] <apachelogger> it tries to provide the same thing SVN tries to provide
[09:40] <apachelogger> ...version control...
[09:40] <apachelogger> BUT
[09:40] <valorie> ah
[09:40] <apachelogger> CVS does an even crappier job at it than SVN does
[09:41] <valorie> dang, there are so many of them
[09:41] <apachelogger> and SVN is already pretty bad ^^
[09:41] <valorie> and I guess once people learn how to use one, they don't want the pain of learning another
[09:41] <valorie> thus most of KDE not being on git
[09:41] <valorie> yet
[09:41] <jussi> git is awesome
[09:42] <apachelogger> well, it is because they do not understand the inner workings ;)
[09:42] <valorie> the amarok devels seem to like it
[09:42] <valorie> it's a mystery to me
[09:42] <apachelogger> it is like those users of microsoft word that need retraining every new UI iteration
[09:42] <jussi> as do Sput and the quassel peoples
[09:42] <valorie> except cloning or pulling from it
[09:42] <apachelogger> they learn where to find things rather than where to look for them
[09:42] <jussi> git bisect is a pretty cool tool
[09:42] <jussi> anyway, off to find breakfast...
[09:43] <valorie> I read most of what they write about it
[09:43] <valorie> figuring eventually it will start to make sense
[09:43]  * apachelogger likes devs using qmake without implementing make install
[09:44] <valorie> so far, I just follow good instructions
[09:44] <apachelogger> valorie: I think it would be better to first read what git does and how
[09:44] <apachelogger> then everything becomes a lot clearer
[09:44] <apachelogger> even life itself
[09:44]  * apachelogger feels enlightened ever since git came into the world ^^
[09:44] <valorie> but after learning how to build amarok, building vlc and phonon-vlc made more sense
[09:44] <valorie> I did read some of the docs, but they really didn't make any sense
[09:45] <valorie> yet
[09:45] <valorie> eventually they will
[09:45] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[09:45] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels)" by The Arcade Fire [Funeral] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[09:45] <valorie> old brain, full of useless junk
[09:45]  * apachelogger is SSH tunneling ^^
[09:45]  * apachelogger always listens to that song when tunneling somewhere ^^
[09:45] <valorie> I have to shove old stuff out to make room for the new
[09:45] <valorie> kubotu: np
[09:45] <kubotu> valorie hasn't played anything recently
[09:45] <valorie> !
[09:45] <valorie> not true!
[09:46]  * valorie is listening to The Four Seasons: Concerti Grossi, Op. 8 No. 2: Summer by Antonio Vivaldi on The Vivaldi Collection, Volume One: The Four Seasons / Musici di San Marco [Amarok]
[09:46] <valorie> <3 the Arcade Fire
[09:46] <valorie> that CD, in particular
[09:47] <valorie> "source code for AACGain is hosted in the sourceforge cvs repository as part of the mp3gain project"
[09:47] <valorie> so a lot of it is in cvs
[09:47] <valorie> :(
[09:47] <apachelogger> oh
[09:47] <apachelogger> my
[09:47] <apachelogger> brrrrrr
[09:47] <apachelogger> !info mp3gain
[09:47] <apachelogger> !info vorbisgain
[09:47] <valorie> is that what sourcforge uses?
[09:48] <apachelogger> valorie: the two important ones are already packaged
[09:48] <valorie> right
[09:48] <apachelogger> <3 developers who create GUI apps but fail to provide desktop files
[09:48] <valorie> but this is a front end
[09:48] <valorie> so you can just drag folders in and get them processed
[09:50] <valorie> right, Sourceforge uses CVS and Subversion
[09:51] <valorie> Linus should beat them with the big GIT stick
[09:55] <apachelogger> sf is not the best service there is anyway
[09:55] <apachelogger> in the early days amarok used it
[09:55] <apachelogger> it was a flipping nightmare
[09:55] <apachelogger> kubotu: google desktop entry spec
[09:55] <kubotu> Results for desktop entry spec: 1. Desktop Entry Specification: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ | 2. Desktop Entry Specification: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html | 3. freedesktop.org - Specifications/desktop-entry-spec: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktop-entry-spec
[09:55]  * apachelogger hugs kubotu
[10:00] <apachelogger> valorie: almost done with the package
[10:00] <valorie> !
[10:00] <valorie> you are amazing, apachelogger
[10:00] <valorie> is it pink?
[10:02] <apachelogger> the package? no, unfrotunately not :(
[10:04] <apachelogger> in a query I got - [11:03:08] <mauriziokubuntu> !LIST
[10:04] <apachelogger> scary really ^^
[10:05] <valorie> haha
[10:05] <valorie> that's some coding, there
[10:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: krake tells me that akonadi-u1-bookmarks could access the data of the existing local-bookmark resource ... so it is likely that getting this to work would be as much work as serializing the desktopcouch format to XBEL and hooking it up with the local-bookmarks
[10:12] <apachelogger> valorie: This application does have a ... weird ... user interface :/
[10:13] <valorie> it has an interface
[10:13] <valorie> which is better than NO interface
[10:13] <valorie> which is what we have at present
[10:13] <valorie> too bad no pink, though
[10:13] <valorie> lol
[10:14] <apachelogger> Well, I personally would not know how to use it :)
[10:16] <valorie> they were saying that the average pop album now is as loud as early metal was
[10:16] <valorie> so you can hear Britney, I guess
[10:17] <valorie> anyway, if it's packaged
[10:17] <valorie> I can test it
[10:17] <valorie> and maybe the word will spread
[10:17] <valorie> and the author will improve it
[10:17] <apachelogger> Britney? Is she still in business?
[10:17] <valorie> actually, her last album wasn't bad
[10:18] <valorie> I heard it a bit more often than I would have chosen, but.....
[10:18] <valorie> it was no Vanilla Ice
[10:18] <valorie> :-)
[10:18] <valorie> or Achy Breaky Heart
[10:18]  * apachelogger does not know either ^^
[10:18] <valorie> lucky you
[10:19]  * valorie dares apachelogger to search youtube
[10:19] <apachelogger> No time! Must package an icon-less application ;)
[10:20] <apachelogger> well then
[10:20] <apachelogger> package is done
[10:20] <valorie> !
[10:20] <valorie> so how do I obtain it?
[10:20] <apachelogger> This however leaves the question where to publish it until it arrives in the Ubuntu archives :/
[10:20] <valorie> ok
[10:21] <valorie> well, I mean
[10:21] <valorie> I can wait
[10:21] <valorie> but how long does it take to get into the archives?
[10:21] <valorie> I was figuring on waiting through some long beaureaucratic process
[10:21] <valorie> and then you just DO it
[10:21] <valorie> lol
[10:21] <valorie> which blows me away....
[10:22] <valorie> you totally rock
[10:22] <apachelogger> That entirely depends on whether and when I can find a MOTU to check that I did not do anything wrong, and then whether and when I can find an archive administrator to check that I did not do anything wrong and that the beasty is really proper free software, and then on whether and when I can find someone from the ubuntu-backports team to backport it ;)
[10:22] <valorie> ok
[10:22] <apachelogger> which should take like a week
[10:23] <valorie> that is completely cool with me
[10:23] <valorie> kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger
[10:23]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger.
[10:23] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} to apachelogger
[10:26] <apachelogger> \o/
[10:26]  * apachelogger rehugs valorie
[10:26] <valorie> :-)
[10:26] <apachelogger> valorie: Testing packages should be appearing soonish here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/ppa
[10:27] <valorie> your u1 stuff isn't in there
[10:28] <apachelogger> should it be?
[10:28] <valorie> seems like I added another ppa for that
[10:28] <apachelogger> That reminds me that I wanted to do something on u1 before you interrupted :P
[10:28] <valorie> I did attempt to install it
[10:28] <valorie> but couldn't
[10:29] <valorie> sorry for the interruption!
[10:30] <valorie> if you treat everyone who interrupts you so well
[10:30] <valorie> you'll never be able to get anything accomplished
[10:31] <CIA-91> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100613093152-dj9ueoxqxtum67b4 * (4 files in 2 dirs) * Depend on gnome-keyring >= 2.92.92.is.2.30.1-0ubuntu2 (lucid-updates) + In consequence drop the local copy of org.freedesktop.secrets.service
[10:32] <apachelogger> valorie: It will not work unless you manually jump around in source code and fix some stuff for KDE integration :/
[10:33] <valorie> that's beyond my abilities 
[10:33] <CIA-91> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100613093307-75gir16h1jc3qh0t * src/libs/Export.h Apparently I forgot to add the Export.h back when I made the syncdaemon public ;)
[10:33] <valorie> or time to develop them
[10:34] <CIA-91> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100613093450-ys7w1txf9hjdlooo * (.bzrignore debian/changelog) bzrignore++
[11:40] <a|wen> hmm, meinproc4 spits out "warning: failed to load external entity "dtd/kdex.dtd""; which is located in /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/dtd/kdex.dtd ... i wonder if that is because it looks in /usr/share/kde instead
[12:22] <apachelogger> a|wen: I am not sure I compute that.
[12:23] <a|wen> apachelogger: kdesvn FTBFS in maverick currently with that error ... wondered if it was due to the changes in pkg-kde-tools to use /usr/share/kde (meinproc4 will look there), but the kdex.dtd file is still located in kde4
[12:23] <apachelogger> well
[12:24] <apachelogger> Wouldnt the error then state the non-kde4'd path?
[12:24] <a|wen> the error doesn't state a file ... i just tried locating it in the build-environment (and found it at the kde4 path)
[12:24] <apachelogger> ah
[12:25] <apachelogger> a|wen: I'd strace to see what really goes on.
[12:25] <apachelogger> But a path searching issues seems very likely indeed.
[12:27] <a|wen> good idea ... lets see what strace can tell
[12:27] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR3K5uB-wMA
[12:27]  * apachelogger takes Nightrose and swings through the channel
[12:27] <Nightrose> weeeeee
[12:30]  * a|wen dances into the kitchen to find some lunch
[13:25] <CIA-91> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100613122533-th79f3gv6rqzqia6 * debian/ubuntuone-kde.install fix install
[13:52] <CIA-91> [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100613125224-8t02v8lms3cuqk47 * debian/ (libubuntuone-qt-api-dev.install ubuntuone-kde.install) fix packaging
[14:07] <jussi> hrm. my plasma seems to be slow. for instance in lancelot, the moving of the highlight lags behind the mouse...
[14:13] <a|wen> apachelogger: from the strace it looks like it is simply looking in a subdir of the current directory in the build-dir ... but of cause, i could be reading it wrong http://awen.dk/temp/meinproc.strace
[14:14] <apachelogger> a|wen: Did you invoke it with the right settings?
[14:16] <a|wen> apachelogger: as far as i could ... is there any way to make sure it has the same environment as when the build is going on?
[14:17] <apachelogger> not sure
[14:17] <apachelogger> a|wen: Just write a wrapper script around meinproc4
[14:18] <apachelogger> /home/test/bin/meinproc4: strace /usr/bin/meinproc4 $@ 
[14:18] <apachelogger> or something
[14:22] <a|wen> probably the best option ... hmm, maybe enabling debuggin in debian/rules will show something as well
[14:24]  * apachelogger really does not like the surveys that are sent to lists -.-
[14:37] <ulysses> apachelogger: Does Ubuntu One KDE works with Maverick?
[14:37] <apachelogger> untested it is
[14:37] <ulysses> Then I'll test it:)
[14:37] <apachelogger> also someone would have to make a package for that ^^
[14:38] <ulysses> oh, I forgot that
[14:40] <a|wen> great ... looks like it really only looks in the local directory; this is strange
[14:41] <jussi> apachelogger: is there a lucid package for itP?
[14:43] <jussi> oh.. /me sees email now
[15:36] <ulysses> ubuntuone-kde installed in Virtualbox:)
[15:41] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: hey :)
[15:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: o/
[15:42] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: yes  i saw the increased size... its a overall increase of 500 KB ....
[15:42] <apachelogger> that is not too bad
[15:42] <apachelogger> IMHO
[15:42] <shadeslayer_> yeah... libkopete has increased by about 1 KB , kopete by 499 KB
[15:43] <shadeslayer_> thats just for the amd64 builds tho
[15:43] <ulysses> apachelogger: I got some error with patching the syndaemon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/449217/
[15:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: Well, what is with the dependencies...
[15:43] <apachelogger> They also play into the size that would be added to the CD :/
[15:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ah yes, we need two MIR's
[15:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm.. really? 
[15:44] <apachelogger> ulysses: on maverick?
[15:44] <ulysses> apachelogger: No, this is Lucid (i386) in Virtualbox
[15:44] <apachelogger> ohhh
[15:44] <apachelogger> ulysses: with lucid-updates?
[15:44] <apachelogger> ahhha
[15:44] <ulysses> fresh installed Lucid, no update yet
[15:45] <apachelogger> ulysses: please update
[15:45] <ulysses> okay
[15:45] <apachelogger> should be applying against the version from lucid-updates with Hunk #2 succeeded at 304 (offset -21 lines).
[15:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ping
[15:47] <Nightrose> apachelogger: pong
[15:47] <apachelogger> oh nuno is on the radio \o/
[15:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: Amarok promo does have no spunk!
[15:48]  * apachelogger considers this a bug
[15:48] <apachelogger> for that matter
[15:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: bugfix welcome...
[15:48] <apachelogger> apachelogger: Kubuntu promo does have no spunk either!
[15:48] <apachelogger> apachelogger: yeah, I know :/
[15:48] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: talking to self again?
[15:48] <apachelogger> Nightrose: maybe apachelogger can help
[15:49] <Nightrose> i already told you you could ;-)
[15:49] <Nightrose> but seriously: 0 time atm
[15:49]  * Nightrose goes back to writing
[15:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: :*
[15:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/KL9rEwTJ
[15:49] <Nightrose> :*
[15:50] <shadeslayer> the 2 packages that need MIR's
[15:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: Nope, you got something wrong there. The underlying source packages need MIRs.
[15:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes,the linphone source package ;)
[15:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: The source package must be in main, any given binary package from the source package can then be in main, or not. :)
[15:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: Also that still does not settle the question as to how much actual dependencies this adds :)
[15:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: im looking into that too....
[15:52] <shadeslayer> for the actual binary in the CD i would think we need libmediastreamer too
[15:52] <shadeslayer> no this is not going to work out :P
[15:53] <shadeslayer> fat chance of getting Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.22), libavcodec52 (>= 4:0.6~svn20100505-1) | libavcodec-extra-52 (>= 4:0.6~svn20100505-1), libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgsm1 (>= 1.0.13), libogg0 (>= 1.0rc3), libortp8, libpulse0 (>= 0.9.16), libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1), libspeex1 (>= 1.2~beta3-1), libspeexdsp1 (>= 1.2~beta3.2-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libswscale0 (>= 4:0.6~svn20100505-1) | libswscale-extra-0 (>= 4:0
[15:53] <shadeslayer> .6~svn20100505-1), libtheora0 (>= 0.0.0.alpha7.dfsg), libv4l-0 (>= 0.5.0), libx11-6
[15:53] <shadeslayer> into the cd
[15:53] <apachelogger> Is that libkopete or kopete?
[15:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thats the dep of libmediastreamer0
[15:54]  * apachelogger finds this all very confusing ^^
[15:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: What do libkopete and kopete link against?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we added just 2 deps, libortp-dev and libmediastreamer0-dev,libmediastreamer0-dev has a dep against libmediastreamer0 which has a dep against all of the above
[15:55] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[15:55] <apachelogger> We need to get the wording sorted here :)
[15:56] <shadeslayer> hehe true :D
[15:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: Linking against = what will show up as dependency in the actual deb (e.g. what apt-cache lists as Depends:)
[15:56] <apachelogger> then there is Build-depends = what you need to build the source
[15:57] <apachelogger> and in addition to that again Depends = all that is actually listed as dependencies of the binary package (this does not have to be what one would define as linking against)
[15:58] <apachelogger> for example an application that comes with a python script might depend on python, but will not link against it
[15:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: like this? http://pastebin.com/q5dsSrYF
[15:59] <apachelogger> yes
[16:00] <apachelogger> I am wondering where that @h@ is coming through though. 
[16:00] <shadeslayer> yeah,didnt see that Depends was all in one line :P
[16:00] <shadeslayer> so i added @h@ to each line ;)
[16:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we also have http://pastebin.com/Buq6WgDJ
[16:01] <apachelogger> ah :)
[16:02] <apachelogger> libortp8 is about 80kb (200 installed)
[16:03] <apachelogger> no further deps
[16:03] <apachelogger> that is good
[16:03] <apachelogger> libmediastreamer0 is 120 (350 installed)
[16:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that you can savely try using the KDE integration. It should be noted that ... hehe savely :P
[16:05] <shadeslayer> from your post in kubuntu-devel 
[16:05] <apachelogger> well
[16:05] <apachelogger> it will not break anything
[16:05] <apachelogger> it might just not work :P
[16:05] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:06] <apachelogger> libswscale0 is a dep of mediastreamer that is not yet on the CD
[16:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wrt kopete?
[16:06] <apachelogger> adds 230 (720 installed)
[16:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kopete + google voice works in maverick... lucid testers have given no feedback yet :P
[16:06] <apachelogger> libavutil is also not on the CD
[16:07] <apachelogger> adds another 100 (230)
[16:07] <shadeslayer> hmm... we might be adding about 1-2 MB on the CD with this
[16:08] <apachelogger> libavcodec is not on board either, adds 4000kb (10000 installed)  - considerable less on amd64
[16:08] <apachelogger> libgsm is not on board adding 30 (120)
[16:09] <apachelogger> libschroedigner is not on board - adding 210 (630)
[16:09] <apachelogger> liboil is not on board - adding 160 (680)
[16:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: is that 500 for kopete installed or packaged?
[16:11] <apachelogger> either way this adds around 5 MiB to the CD :/
[16:11] <apachelogger> libavcodec is quite heavy
[16:12] <shadeslayer_> hmm...
[16:13] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: 500 KB packaged :P
[16:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: that is almost 5.5 then :/
[16:14] <apachelogger> That is a lot...
[16:14] <shadeslayer_> yes seems so....
[16:14] <shadeslayer_> so i guess we will have to dump this then :)(
[16:14] <apachelogger> no
[16:14] <bulldog98> someone knows how to install kdevelop in maverick?
[16:15] <shadeslayer_> omg... kdevelop is still at 4.4.0 in maverick
[16:15] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ^^
[16:15] <bulldog98> if I enter: "apt-get install kdevelop"
[16:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: There are more advanced packaging techniques ;)
[16:16] <bulldog98> it says kdevplatform1-libs would replace it
[16:16] <apachelogger> We could have like libkopete-gtalk or something ;)
[16:16] <apachelogger> Not sure if it is worth it.
[16:16] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: i need to learn those i guess then :)
[16:16] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: hmm... true
[16:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: maybe bring this up on the mailing list, maybe others think that it is worth the 5 MiB eitherway
[16:17] <apachelogger> In which case you would not have to mess with that other stuff ;)
[16:17] <shadeslayer_> :P
[16:17] <shadeslayer_> ok ill put it in the ML :)
[16:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: Any news from upstream by the way?
[16:18] <shadeslayer_> nope... the guy who reported the bug responded though
[16:18] <shadeslayer_> on my mail.... 
[16:18] <apachelogger> Hm.
[16:18] <apachelogger> Also, this  feature is VERY hidden.
[16:18] <shadeslayer_> yes... thats true
[16:19] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[16:19] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "lobster bucket!" by The Aquabats! -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[16:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: It does not even do video....
[16:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its not in the jingle library :(
[16:24] <apachelogger> Well, I opt for not adding it just now.
[16:24] <apachelogger> Especially since the user will be strugled with getting it setup to begin with
[16:24] <shadeslayer> they will update it with video support in the near future
[16:25] <apachelogger> Because kopete does not offer GTalk as option and getting the settings right is almost impossible
[16:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uh.. kopete does offer gtalk as a option... also i didnt have to fiddle with anything on maverick.. works out of the box
[16:28] <shadeslayer> also there is a small bug... you can make calls but when you recieve them you dont get audio
[16:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: Where? Screenshot!
[16:29] <apachelogger> I do not see no gtalk :(
[16:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/DxxChPPP.html
[16:32] <apachelogger> This is not obvious to the user.
[16:32] <apachelogger> Also you do have to set this junk up.
[16:33] <shadeslayer> yeah... change server to talk.google.com
[16:33] <apachelogger> For Google Talk setup should be like: enter username, enter password. bang
[16:33] <Tm_T> apachelogger: there's no "README" in your gsoc branch
[16:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: How is the regular off the shelf user supposed to know that.
[16:33] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I can write one for you if you like
[16:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: by googling : set up gtalk in kopete : :D
[16:34] <apachelogger> Tm_T: If you deem it necessary :)
[16:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: No regular off the shelf user will ever ever do that :/
[16:34] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I do, for the future or if someone gets sourcepackage without your instructions
[16:36] <apachelogger> Tm_T: well, I wonder if they would read the readme then :)
[16:37] <ulysses> I've upgraded the system, installed ubuntuone-kde, added the computer to Ubuntu One, but the system tray applet says ':-( Couldn't you let me connect???'
[16:38] <apachelogger> did you patch the syncdaemon successfully?
[16:38] <apachelogger> did you restart after patching?
[16:38] <ulysses> Yes, I patched and relogin
[16:38] <apachelogger> ulysses: this is most odd
[16:39] <apachelogger> ulysses: kdedebugdialog -> turn on everything -> run the statusnotifier from a terminal with --nofork
[16:39] <apachelogger> erm
[16:39] <apachelogger> kdebugdialog it is called :)
[16:39] <apachelogger> ulysses: Then send the output to apachelogger@ubuntu.com
[16:43] <ulysses> apachelogger: mail sent
[16:44] <bulldog98> apachelogger: do you have an PPA with ubuntuone-client in it build from your branch?
[16:45] <apachelogger> ulysses: also .cache/ubuntuone please
[16:46] <apachelogger> ulysses: too me it seems there is something wrong with your syncdaemon though
[16:50] <ulysses> apachelogger: another e-mail sent
[16:55] <apachelogger> 2010-06-13 17:34:17,173 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.DBus - ERROR - Can't get the auth token
[16:57] <apachelogger> ulysses: are you on 4.4?
[16:59] <ulysses> yes, this is 4.4.2
[16:59] <apachelogger> then this is odd
[16:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can i port the client to maverick?
[16:59] <apachelogger> can you please paste /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/main.py
[16:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: you can try :P
[17:00] <shadeslayer> ok ill do it as soon as i can complete this mail to kubuntu-devel
[17:02] <ulysses> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/449259/
[17:02] <apachelogger> ulysses: not patched :P
[17:03] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i hope the client wont erase my ubuntu one account :P
[17:05] <ulysses> "Shipping a nice hot cup of tea"
[17:05]  * apachelogger joins that hoping ^^
[17:06] <ulysses> apachelogger: my fault^^
[17:06] <ulysses> Sipping* :P
[17:07] <ulysses> it works \o/
[17:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did my mail to kubuntu-devel arrive?
[17:09] <apachelogger> yes
[17:09] <apachelogger> ulysses: \o/
[17:09] <shadeslayer> good.... :)
[17:10] <CIA-91> [akonadi-desktopcouch] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100613161031-dvwvfb4kfs2rtfu6 * (desktop-couch-resource.cpp desktop-couch-resource.h) copyright++
[17:12]  * shadeslayer wonders if someone reviewed his p-w-n patches
[17:15] <Tm_T> apachelogger: README is the thing I try to find and read first ~every time so...
[17:16] <apachelogger> Tm_T: Well, you are special :)
[17:16] <Tm_T> I am! <3
[17:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: I think that is redundant ;)
[17:16] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic replace 1 You are amazing <3
[17:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: Is that not better? ;)
[17:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic del 4
[17:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any idea how to remove qtcreator when its not installed by apt ?
[17:30] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: sudo make uninstall
[17:31] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: no.. make files,i just ran ./installer
[17:31] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: ./installer uninstall ?
[17:31] <CIA-91> [akonadi-desktopcouch] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100613163133-23wq8d0oqc0tasc5 * desktop-couch-resource.cpp more mappings, I do not like how this looks at all :/
[17:31] <shadeslayer> well theres a qtcreator-1.3.85 folder.... maybe if i remove that
[17:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: there is an installer in the folder
[17:32] <apachelogger> ehm
[17:32] <apachelogger> uninstaller
[17:32] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~/usr/qtcreator-1.3.85/bin$ ls unin*
[17:32] <apachelogger> uninstall
[17:32] <shadeslayer> ah yes :)
[17:39] <bulldog98> apachelogger: in your CMakeLists.txt isn’t the /…/apps/… to much in the 3 line?
[17:39] <apachelogger> in what cmakelists?
[17:39] <bulldog98> apachelogger: of ubuntuone-client-kde
[17:39] <bulldog98> in you gsoc repro
[17:39] <apachelogger> ubuntuone-client-kde is dead?
[17:40] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you mean ubuntone-kde?
[17:40] <bulldog98> apachelogger: yes
[17:40] <apachelogger> ohm
[17:40] <apachelogger> what cmakelists there?
[17:40] <apachelogger> set(CMAKE_MODULE_PATH ${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}/cmake/modules /usr/share/apps/cmake/modules)
[17:40] <apachelogger> ?
[17:41] <bulldog98> yes apachelogger
[17:41] <apachelogger> possibly, possibly not
[17:41] <apachelogger> there is certainly no harm in searching more paths ;)
[17:42] <bulldog98> apachelogger: what deps does it have
[17:44] <apachelogger> Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.4.2), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.4.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libkonq5 (>= 4:4.4.2), libqjson0, libqoauth1, libqt4-dbus (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-network (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-svg (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-xml (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.6.1), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.5.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1)
[17:44] <apachelogger> Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.4.2), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.4.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libkonq5 (>= 4:4.4.2), libqjson0, libqoauth1, libqt4-dbus (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-network (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-svg (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-xml (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.6.1), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.5.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1)
[17:44] <apachelogger> whoops
[17:44] <apachelogger> just once :)
[17:44] <apachelogger> plus
[17:45] <apachelogger> Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.4.2), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.4.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libqjson0, libqoauth1, libqt4-dbus (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-network (>= 4:4.5.3), libqt4-svg (>= 4:4.5.3), libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.6.1), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.5.3), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), ubuntuone-client, desktopcouch, gnome-keyring (>= 2.92.92.is.2.30.1-0ubuntu2)
[17:50] <bulldog98> apachelogger: can you build it for maverick, please?
[17:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_ can
[17:51] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: ?
[17:51]  * apachelogger doesnt really want to have to update 2 packages each time around
[17:51] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: whut?
[17:52] <bulldog98> 4 - 6 lines above
[17:52] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: oh building ubuntuone-kde for mav ?
[17:52] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: yes
[17:53] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: im currently compiling qtcreator...
[17:53] <shadeslayer> ill build it after that :)
[17:53] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: and can you look after the rekonq package? It has some probs
[17:54] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: the daily one?
[17:54] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: yes
[17:54] <shadeslayer> sure.. will have a look
[17:54] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I don’t know whats wrong but it keeps crashing every time I start it
[17:55] <Lure> hello all after a long time
[17:55] <shadeslayer> hmm.. unfortunately im on maverick
[17:55] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: me too
[17:56] <shadeslayer> to the VM machine :)
[17:56] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: I build that packages for maverick too
[17:57] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:57] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: and?
[17:57] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: crashing like hell
[17:57] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: git checkout as well?
[17:58] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: the daily package
[17:58] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: yes
[17:58] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: no i mean when you compile the git checkout,instead of installing the package,it crashes as well?
[17:59] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: yes
[17:59] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: ok ill have a look :)
[17:59] <apachelogger> Lure: o/
[17:59] <apachelogger> Lure: have you been hiding :)
[18:00] <Lure> apachelogger: I changed jobs and had lots of things going on...
[18:00] <jussi> o/ Lure
[18:00] <Lure> apachelogger: now I hope I will get time at least to switch to maverick and help with testing and some bugfixing...
[18:00] <Lure> I am in Boston in hotel, this is why I have some time now ;-)
[18:01] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:01] <apachelogger> Lure: For business?
[18:01] <apachelogger> must be some fancy job ^^
[18:01] <Lure> yep, attending a conference
[18:01] <Lure> apachelogger: not much foss releated, but otherwise ok ;-)
[18:02] <apachelogger> Lure: Well, FLOSS is not everything :)
[18:03] <Lure> apachelogger: yep, something has to earn for a living too ;-)
[18:03] <jussi> apachelogger: well its _almost_ everything... :D
[18:03] <Lure> how is maverick looking? Is it safe to upgrade?
[18:03]  * Lure normally upgraded the first week after repotiory was opened -> not this time
[18:05] <apachelogger> A lot of people in here seem to be using it already.
[18:05]  * Lure notices that some packages will be removed, but nothing of major concern: http://pastebin.com/ZviQ4eYy
[18:09] <jussi> Lure: maverick... safe? no... fun maybe...
[18:11] <Lure> jussi: that is exactly what I need
[18:11] <jussi> Lure: perfect :D
[18:12] <Lure> jussi: I consider "safe" as -> "will not eat my kids and can fix it with help from #kubuntu-devel" ;-)
[18:12] <jussi> lol
[18:12]  * Lure says Y to apt-get dist-upgrade ;-)
[18:12] <jussi> Lure: well I think the x upgrade has been done...
[18:15]  * Lure will know in 5 minutes or so how "safe" it is
[18:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[18:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: when will you be free for a extended period of time ( say 2-3 hours )
[18:17] <shadeslayer> im going to checkout and compile KDE :D
[18:17] <apachelogger> not before july :/
[18:18]  * apachelogger actually should be doing his cpp assignment right now :(
[18:18] <Lure> and I thought that I was busy... ;-)
[18:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok no problem.. ill try it on my own till then :)
[18:18] <apachelogger> well you can always ask in here or in #kde-devel ;)
[18:19] <jussi> lol
[18:19] <apachelogger> Lure: I should come visit you for beer some time, say 2015? I got a free day scheduled in August that year.
[18:20] <jussi> Tm_T: is our resident KDE SVN compiler...
[18:20] <jussi> shadeslayer: ^^
[18:20] <apachelogger> Tm_T->build();
[18:20] <jussi> apachelogger: no! I booked that one already!
[18:20] <jussi> :P
[18:20] <apachelogger> oh noes :(
[18:20] <apachelogger> what for?
[18:21] <jussi> beer ofcourse! mind, thats not to say Lure cant come...
[18:21] <apachelogger> I am wondering if I am overallocated when meeting 2 people.
[18:22] <apachelogger> Overallocation is a manager's nightmare you must know ;)
[18:22] <jussi> lol
[18:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: hehe :D
[18:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: If you don't want to build two different releases each time, build for Lucid and forward copy to Maverick should work too.
[18:23] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: around?
[18:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: Last time I tried that did not work .... ultimately they would just give me working recipe stuff :/
[18:24] <apachelogger> ScottK: Do you want to do some revus? ;)
[18:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: Not today.  Busy with offline stuff (just making a brief appearence right now.
[18:25] <apachelogger> oh
[18:25]  * apachelogger hugs ScottK while he is here :)
[18:25] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:26] <ScottK> Monday through Wednesday don't look so good either.
[18:26] <shadeslayer> jussi: +1 for seprate package?
[18:26] <jussi> shadeslayer: yes
[18:26] <apachelogger> oh dear
[18:27]  * apachelogger was using a wrong library ^^
[18:27] <jussi> shadeslayer: with option to install similar to the codecs
[18:27] <jussi> apachelogger: *G*
[18:27] <apachelogger> -- Up-to-date: /isr/lib/libcouchdb-qt.so.0.0.0
[18:27] <apachelogger> What is wrong with this? ;)
[18:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: /isr/?
[18:28] <shadeslayer> jussi: the only thing is that we will have to file MIR's against linphone,and i dont think that will get into main.. still lets try :)
[18:28] <jussi> ok, can someone explain to me exactly what a library is and what it does? (and I dont mean the one down the street)
[18:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: Looks wrong, I suppose :)
[18:29] <shadeslayer> jussi: a library consists of functions and classes other programs can use
[18:29] <shadeslayer> well depends on their declaration as public,private or friend :P
[18:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what fun : http://pastebin.com/dJ230VxA
[18:34] <apachelogger> brrr
[18:36] <Tm_T> apachelogger: yes?
[18:37] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: hi got a sec?
[18:38] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: sure
[18:38] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: im going to compile KDE svn,any tips?
[18:38] <shadeslayer> also i think i should compile kdelibs first,right?
[18:39] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: the order is: kdesupport and other bits that doesn't depend on kdelibs, then kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase and then rest
[18:39] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: depending on what you want to build, ofcourse
[18:39] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: well.. i want a basic working KDE ... 
[18:40] <shadeslayer> whatever kubuntu-desktop provides
[18:40]  * apachelogger notes that one can go by the fancy ninja dependency graph for order of builds ^^
[18:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah i just remembered that as well :)
[18:41] <shadeslayer> it doesnt list kdesupport tho
[18:41] <apachelogger> Because kdesupport is in fact a large pile of stuff below kdelibs :P
[18:42] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[18:42] <apachelogger> There is no source package kdesupport released. But akonadi and strigi and oxygen-icons and and and.
[18:42] <Tm_T> ye
[18:42] <Tm_T> which you prolly dont want/need to build from svn/git anyway
[18:42] <apachelogger> especially not akonadi
[18:43] <apachelogger> brrr
[18:43] <Tm_T> apachelogger: why not? (;
[18:43] <apachelogger> Building Akonadi from SVN is like seriously scary :P
[18:43] <apachelogger> More scary than production reelases.
[18:43] <apachelogger> I mean, totally awesome, but scary ^^
[18:43] <Tm_T> I cannot remember having any issues
[18:43] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: ok so install kdesupport from official archives and then build kdelibs right?
[18:44] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: if you need to, you most likely want to go with what distro provides already
[18:44] <apachelogger> "If your client software is not capable of guaranteeing uniqueness of generated UUIDs..."
[18:44] <apachelogger> qint64 should be unique enough?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> !find kdesupport maverick
[18:44] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[18:45]  * apachelogger figures unsigned would probably be better :/
[18:45] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: kdesupport is not a package, but a loose collection of several packages
[18:45] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: more precisely, it's just a name of folder in svn
[18:45] <shadeslayer> ohh...
[18:45] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: im downloading the daily snapshots kde releases....
[18:46] <Tm_T> roger
[18:46] <Tm_T> then ignore whole kdesupport thing, it's kdelibs and kdepimlibs first
[18:47] <Tm_T> apachelogger: shame on me, I build kdesupport as a whole from svn ):
[18:47] <apachelogger> brrr
[18:47] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: ok... what i will do after downloading those is svn up,the daily snapshots contain them .svn folders :D
[18:48] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: why you download daily snapshots then if you're going to use svn? (:
[18:51] <apachelogger> Fooey
[18:51] <apachelogger> All this constness equals madness...
[18:52] <Tm_T> apachelogger: QOauth is where?
[18:52] <apachelogger> Tm_T: PPA
[18:52] <apachelogger> Tm_T: if you want to use U1 then you need the version from my PPA actually...
[18:53] <apachelogger> upstreams qoauth has at least one bug and one rather silly behaviour
[18:53] <apachelogger> both patched in the PPA version
[18:53] <Tm_T> oh right
[18:54] <Tm_T> I might actually need to move away from my selfbuild qt now...
[18:54] <Tm_T> built
[18:55] <apachelogger> brrr
[18:55] <apachelogger> "Theoretically, this means there is a small chance that a UUID generated by createUuid() will not be unique. But it is a very small chance."
[18:55] <apachelogger> so how does one create a real unique uuid with Qt -.-
[19:00] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: well because SVN is slow as hell sometimes and keeps timing out,so download the daily snapshot and then update it
[19:00] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: btw have you compiled Qtcreator?
[19:01] <shadeslayer> and do i need this : http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts/.bashrc ?
[19:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: you do not need to, however you probably want it :)
[19:16] <apachelogger> [/usr/bin/akonadi_desktop-couch_resource] "Invalid rev format"
[19:16] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:16] <apachelogger> what a load of space junk
[19:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok 
[19:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw suppose i install kde in /opt , do i still want it?
[19:18] <apachelogger> yep
[19:18] <apachelogger> also I would not install it there :P
[19:18] <apachelogger> unless you link it statically 
[19:18] <apachelogger> otherwise /opt is just wrongish :P
[19:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok suppose i want to maintain 2 versions of KDE,the one officially supported from archives and kde svn
[19:19] <shadeslayer> where do i install kde svn then?
[19:19] <apachelogger> /usr/local for example
[19:20] <apachelogger> or /usr/local/kde4
[19:20] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: you probably have outdate code,rekonq working fine here
[19:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok ill keep that in mind, also,to install there what do i change in :  cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=`kde4-config --prefix` ..
[19:20] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: ok look for that
[19:21] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: any particular thing that needs to be done to make it crash?
[19:21] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: opening an website form an other app
[19:21] <shadeslayer> ah....
[19:22] <shadeslayer> no dbg packages :P
[19:22] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: crashed for you too?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:23] <bulldog98> so it can’t be a packaging issue
[19:23] <shadeslayer> nope
[19:23] <bulldog98> could it be kubuntu related?
[19:23] <bulldog98> maybe a bug in webkit?
[19:23] <bulldog98> qtwebkit?
[19:24] <shadeslayer> :o
[19:24] <shadeslayer> its working now :P
[19:24] <shadeslayer> ( started with strace )
[19:25] <shadeslayer> yeah... definitely working now... maybe cache issue?
[19:25] <Martiini> heyy  ,, Anyone know how to get unbanned on #ubuntu ?+
[19:26] <shadeslayer> Martiini: ask for the ban to be removed in #ubuntu-ops
[19:26] <shadeslayer> jussi: ^^
[19:27] <Martiini> Thing is ... they do not unban people on #ubuntu-ops .. I have been talking to them for 3 hours now .. and the result was that I was asked to leave and I  may have been banned on #ubuntu-ops
[19:28] <shadeslayer> Martiini: they actually do unban people if they think that its ok...
[19:28] <shadeslayer> its really up to the ops
[19:29] <Martiini> shadeslayer : , are they ... like REAL people ??
[19:29] <Martiini> :)
[19:29] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:29] <Martiini> some nick made told me to read bunch of #ubuntu guidelines .. posted me links ,, asked me to agree .. and Im still banned
[19:30] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: for me it doesn’t work with strace either
[19:30] <shadeslayer> Martiini: you have to read them and adhere to them in other *buntu channels
[19:30] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: try refreshing the cache with kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental
[19:31] <shadeslayer> oh my...
[19:31]  * shadeslayer just read logs of #ubuntu-ops
[19:32] <Martiini> I was banned for "namecalling" and the #ubuntu admins will not unban me ... post links to read .. tell to adhere to guidelines .. but still will not unban .. Im guessing they are the kind of people who screw with others online for fun
[19:32] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: tryed #fluffy?
[19:32] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: hehe :D
[19:33] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: me was the first user on LT
[19:33] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: LT ?
[19:33] <ScottK> Martiini: I'm not sure how to solve your problem, but I'm reasonably certain this isn't the channel for it.
[19:33] <apachelogger> Martiini: this is off topic here
[19:33] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: LinuxTag
[19:33] <Martiini> some crazy "ikonia" has been given right to ban people on #ubuntu and she will not unban you ,, just screw with everyone
[19:33] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: ohhh the one with the pink tie ? :D
[19:34] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: yes
[19:34] <shadeslayer> Martiini: ikonia is a he...
[19:34] <ScottK> Martiini: This is really not the channel.
[19:34] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: awesome :)
[19:34] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: crashed even with rebuild
[19:34] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: rekonq
[19:34] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: not fluffy
[19:34] <apachelogger> firefox is default on fluffy :P
[19:34] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: did try uninstalling and reinstalling :)  
[19:35] <apachelogger> for very good reason as I choose to believe
[19:35] <Martiini> shadeslayer: , do You write software for "Kubuntu" ?
[19:36] <shadeslayer> not really....
[19:36] <Martiini> #kubuntu-devel is for software development .. or .. ?
[19:36] <shadeslayer> not much of a coder... 
[19:36] <shadeslayer> Martiini: yes this is where all kubuntu development takes place
[19:37] <Martiini> is this OFFICIAL kubuntu team channel .. where the team work
[19:38] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: rekonq keeps crashing
[19:38] <shadeslayer> Martiini: #kubuntu for support of kubuntu
[19:38] <apachelogger> hum?
[19:38] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: got a stacktrace ?
[19:39] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: will test that
[19:41] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: anyways i think this is more of a upstream issue.. not with your packaging
[19:42] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: so I’ll poke adamj
[19:42] <shadeslayer> yeah.... with a big stick :P
[19:43] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: rekonq git used to be stable :P
[19:47] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: well the git version failed here :P
[19:47] <shadeslayer> building the stable RC release
[19:48] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: the whole qmake thing can be very tricky
[19:48] <shadeslayer> whee... it builds and runs :)
[19:48] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: any idea on getting it to pick up the docs from the packages i installed?
[19:48] <Tm_T> no, sorry
[19:51] <shadeslayer> :(
[20:01] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: btw suppose i want to insall in /usr/local/kde4 , what option do i parse to cmake?
[20:01] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: btw suppose i want to insall in /usr/local/kde4 , what option do i parse to cmake?
[20:01] <shadeslayer> sorrry for the double post
[20:02] <shadeslayer> omg omg omg... i have all deps for kdelibs :D
[20:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Tm_T  should i build Qt from git as well?
[20:05] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: definately no
[20:05] <Tm_T> less you build the better
[20:05] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: hmm.. and what about the custom install path?
[20:05] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: have you read what techbase instructions say?
[20:06] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: yes... they say that you need to add another user...
[20:06] <shadeslayer> but i want the same user to be able to access kde svn and stable kde
[20:07] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: there's also instructions how to use cmake
[20:07] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: -DCMAKE_PREFIX_PATH=
[20:07] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: ah ok
[20:07] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: or in build dir: ccmake .
[20:07] <shadeslayer> thanks :D
[20:07] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: really useful scripts & aliases: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts/.bashrc
[20:08] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: oh yes about that script,do i add to bashrc ?
[20:08] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: for example yes
[20:09] <shadeslayer> + my account
[20:09] <Tm_T> and edit it to your likings ofcourse
[20:10] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:10] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: does it require my KDE checkout to be in ~/KDE ?
[20:10] <Tm_T> no, you can edit it as you like
[20:10] <Tm_T> ofcourse there's no such requirements
[20:11] <shadeslayer> ok so just run cmakekde after editing the path option
[20:11] <Martiini> shadeslayer: , Tm_T works in Finland ,, is that correct ?
[20:11] <shadeslayer> Martiini: stop that! :|
[20:12] <Martiini> you al lexist
[20:12] <Martiini> all you people exist
[20:12] <Martiini> no point to play idiots .. computer freaks
[20:12] <Tm_T> Martiini: please stay in channel topic
[20:13] <Martiini> was that enough "namecalling" now ?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> oh my...
[20:13] <Tm_T> yes it was well enough, now please behave
[20:14] <Martiini> Tm_T is FINNISH and so is LINUS TORVALDS
[20:14] <Martiini> FINNISH saami computer freaks
[20:16] <shadeslayer> heh.. found a bug with quassel :P
[20:17] <Martiini> do the finnish develop KDE ?
[20:17] <Martiini> I will never touch KDE again
[20:18] <shadeslayer> Good for us
[20:18] <Martiini> half of nicks are finnish in here
[20:57] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: let me know the results when there's any (;
[20:57] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[20:57] <shadeslayer> okies..
[22:42] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137661 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/ (package.cpp package.h) A package must be trusted to be supported
[22:44]  * apachelogger pokes JontheEchidna
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> o/
[22:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I meant to ask you all sorts of things
[22:45] <apachelogger> But eventuall forgot them all :(
[22:45] <apachelogger> +y
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> :(
[22:45] <apachelogger> oh rights!
[22:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: What is your opinion on foo( &h ); vs. foo(&h); vs. foo (&h);?
[22:46] <apachelogger> also there is http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets also there is http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/qtgain
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> I prefer foo(&h);
[22:46] <apachelogger> me too :/
[22:47] <apachelogger> maybe we should mention it as suggestion ;)
[22:47]  * apachelogger thinks we need a "preferred practise" section or something
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kk, revuing
[22:50] <CIA-91> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137664 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp Simplify boolean-returning functions
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: wow, you got GG compiling without patches?
[22:54] <apachelogger> "They call me the oncoming storm!"
[22:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: actually I just had to apply a rather tiny change upstream and voila
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> "oh, and by anihilate you just meant beat them in a game of football" :D
[22:55] <JontheEchidna> Matt's Doctor is really a codgerly ol' Time Lord underneath :P
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I'm getting a WTF error pbuilding: http://paste.ubuntu.com/449382/
[22:56]  * apachelogger likes the new doctor really
[22:56] <apachelogger> but david's is still my fav
[22:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh dear
[22:57] <apachelogger> bzr driven development does not cut it either it seems
[22:57]  * apachelogger is just no good at packaging anymore :(
[22:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do qtgain meanwhile
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> kk
[22:58] <apachelogger> there was a mismerge
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: otherwise the packaging looks good. A little nitpick is that technically one needs debhelper 7.3.16 or greater for source format 3.0, and pkg-kde-tools 0.5.0 or higher for "--with kde"
[22:58]  * apachelogger finds it sort of horrible how he needs to do merging so that not all the history gets imported TBH
[22:59]  * apachelogger fixes that on the way
[23:01] <apachelogger> new version coming up
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[23:01] <apachelogger> oh
[23:01] <apachelogger> hold it
[23:01] <apachelogger> that is bonkers too ^^
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> heh, qtgain is a bit... minimal. Not even a .desktop file until you gave it one
[23:01] <apachelogger> ah, even not bonkers
[23:02]  * apachelogger was scared there a bit by the change in the debian/changelog ;)
[23:02] <CIA-91> [plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100613220211-j9hvya9u00uodidc * debian/control fix assorted build-dep problems
[23:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: qtgain also features horrible UI (HIG and HCI-wise) :/
[23:04]  * apachelogger would not have known how to operate it without having been told.
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: do we have any guidelines on http://paste.ubuntu.com/449385/ vs http://paste.ubuntu.com/449386/ ?
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: qtgain packaging looks perfect
[23:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: not really, that is no trivial thing to give a suggestion on either, in this praticular case it is obivous through the function name what you are doing. I imagine in other cases it might not be directly obvious what you are returning.
[23:07] <apachelogger> Maybe just add a reminder "Be clear about your intentions at all times." this sort of covers this and similar stuff :)
[23:07] <apachelogger> Yay for perfect packaging \o/
[23:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: New gg should have landed in the meantime too.
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> kool
[23:10] <apachelogger> valorie: qtgain just got uploaded, if all goes well it should land in maverick within the next week or so
[23:10] <valorie> wooooo!
[23:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: Does anyone still review stuff on revu? I mean other than us doing KDE/Qt.
[23:11] <valorie> maybe if a few people test it, there will be some more work on it
[23:11] <apachelogger> The list appears to be ever growing.
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: dunno
[23:12] <valorie> sounds a bit rough around the edges
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> just proves that kubuntu team is the best!
[23:12] <apachelogger> That is a known fact already, is it not? :D
[23:12] <apachelogger> see topic :P
[23:12] <apachelogger> valorie: Work it could use :) 
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: GG looks good too
[23:21]  * apachelogger hugs JontheEchidna
[23:21] <apachelogger> thanks :)
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> yw
[23:24] <CIA-91> [plasma-scriptengine-googlegadgets] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100613222448-9cbx5ifk2jyyf9qd * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.4.85-0ubuntu1
[23:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: ^
[23:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, should you find some time -> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KOfficeUserReview
[23:29] <apachelogger> We should get going with this, to make the most out of the input.
[23:29]  * apachelogger thinks the current versions are way too much free-form