[01:55] JontheEchidna: around? :) [01:56] lex79: yeah [01:56] hihih :) [01:56] JontheEchidna: you should upload these packages https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa/+packages [01:57] I renamed two libraries in -workspace, so we need a rebuild for the transitions [01:57] don't upload -workspace from my ppa, it's already uploaded :) [01:57] and drop +ppa1 from plasma-widget-networkmanagement [01:58] have the renamed libraries made it through new queue yet? [01:58] they are already out from "new" [01:58] ok [01:59] JontheEchidna: I think... look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu2 [01:59] looks about right to me [01:59] kk [02:00] I'm doing also digikam but it need mysql now [02:00] it has a feauture like amarok http://www.flickr.com/photos/digikam/4681000883/sizes/l/ [02:02] JontheEchidna: do you know why we build amarok with libmysqld-pic as build-dep and mysql-server-5.1 as build-depends-indep ? :/ [02:03] because amarok uses mysqle [02:03] e == embedded [02:03] so that there isn't a need for an external mysql server [02:03] digikam might not need mysql at build time [02:04] uhm, no, digikam need mysqld since this release [02:04] 1.3.0 [02:04] and wont build without it [02:05] I add now mysql-server-5.1 in build-dep and built [02:07] I think if you commented out line 179 - 192 of http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/graphics/digikam/CMakeLists.txt?revision=1135982&view=markup that there's a chance you could build digikam without installing the whole server [02:08] It's just a check to make sure mysql is on the system for runtime, I think [02:09] ok I'll try [02:10] ok, maybe not... kde svn 1109969 [02:10] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1109969&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1109969 | bye bye Digikam::RExpanderBox... [02:10] stinky :( [02:11] But then, this is the upstream that made 1.3.0 depend on trunk kdegraphics, so they're obviously not to knowledgable on how to distribute software... [02:12] uhm :( [02:15] That puts Debian in a bit of a tough situation, since they're shipping squeeze with 4.4 [02:16] lex79: does kdeplasma-addons need uploading too? [02:16] yes it does [02:16] ok [02:16] lex79: could you put in in bzr please? [02:17] yes [02:17] thx [02:19] JontheEchidna: done, I'm doing kdeutils [02:21] kdeuitls in bzr === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [03:21] JontheEchidna and lex79: those rebuilds will misbuild on the slow archs and we'll have to do them again. [03:21] (unless the FTBFS, of course) [03:21] the/they [03:21] ScottK: they should FTBFS, since the build-dep version was bumped [03:22] OK. [03:22] Good to hear. [03:22] lex79: ^would be nice to have that sort of thing documented in debian/changleog, in the future [03:23] JontheEchidna: ok, I didnt't bump the build-dep version in kdeplasma-addons and kdeutils since we use kde-sc-dev-latest and we use >= 4:4.4 [03:23] doh [03:24] Those will both fail anway. [03:25] -workspace I think is ftbs on the slow archs, like the others KDE packages [03:26] It is, although I'm getting close on ia64. [03:32] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137466 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Add isSupported() and supportedUntil() functions to QApt::Package, to determine if and how long a package is supported by Canonical [03:36] ktorrent magnet link support == <3 [03:41] anybody know why kinfocenter only has one module? [03:49] kmix vs knetworkmanager -- confusing: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopx14685-jpg.jpg [03:49] I always hit networkmanager :( [03:54] what do you mean for one module? [03:55] lex79: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktoph14685-jpg.jpg [03:59] JontheEchidna: http://imagebin.ca/view/HM9zCp.html === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [04:01] quad core, lucky [04:02] :) [04:02] aha, fixed in https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/4:4.4.85-0ubuntu2 [04:03] ah, I've already 0ubuntu2 :P [04:11] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137470 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/src/package.cpp s/i++/++i [08:54] shadeslayer_: mind the dependencies (re increased size) === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [09:06] kubotu: quit [09:24] has there been any discussion of packaging qtgain for *buntu? [09:24] it's available as a .deb, but I'm hesitant to dl a random .deb [09:24] http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php?action=content&content=56842 [09:25] it's a front end for vorbis gain, mp3gain, etc. [09:30] isnt amarok a frontend for that too? ^^ [09:32] valorie: seems packagable [09:32] amarok reads gain tags [09:32] but doesn't write them [09:33] before this, the only thing I've seen that will write them was in windows [09:33] so people were using wine to do it [09:33] I was going to write an howto article for the Insider [09:34] but couldn't find a linux replaygain tagger [09:34] then someone suggested this in the forum [09:34] how do I request this? [09:39] Oo [09:39] aacgain uses cvs [09:39] C [09:39] V [09:39] S [09:39] * apachelogger is scared [09:39] what is that? [09:40] similar to svn, but nasty [09:40] well [09:40] it tries to provide the same thing SVN tries to provide [09:40] ...version control... [09:40] BUT [09:40] ah [09:40] CVS does an even crappier job at it than SVN does [09:41] dang, there are so many of them [09:41] and SVN is already pretty bad ^^ [09:41] and I guess once people learn how to use one, they don't want the pain of learning another [09:41] thus most of KDE not being on git [09:41] yet [09:41] git is awesome [09:42] well, it is because they do not understand the inner workings ;) [09:42] the amarok devels seem to like it [09:42] it's a mystery to me [09:42] it is like those users of microsoft word that need retraining every new UI iteration [09:42] as do Sput and the quassel peoples [09:42] except cloning or pulling from it [09:42] they learn where to find things rather than where to look for them [09:42] git bisect is a pretty cool tool [09:42] anyway, off to find breakfast... [09:43] I read most of what they write about it [09:43] figuring eventually it will start to make sense [09:43] * apachelogger likes devs using qmake without implementing make install [09:44] so far, I just follow good instructions [09:44] valorie: I think it would be better to first read what git does and how [09:44] then everything becomes a lot clearer [09:44] even life itself [09:44] * apachelogger feels enlightened ever since git came into the world ^^ [09:44] but after learning how to build amarok, building vlc and phonon-vlc made more sense [09:44] I did read some of the docs, but they really didn't make any sense [09:45] yet [09:45] eventually they will [09:45] kubotu: np [09:45] apachelogger is listening to "Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels)" by The Arcade Fire [Funeral] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [09:45] old brain, full of useless junk [09:45] * apachelogger is SSH tunneling ^^ [09:45] * apachelogger always listens to that song when tunneling somewhere ^^ [09:45] I have to shove old stuff out to make room for the new [09:45] kubotu: np [09:45] valorie hasn't played anything recently [09:45] ! [09:45] not true! [09:46] * valorie is listening to The Four Seasons: Concerti Grossi, Op. 8 No. 2: Summer by Antonio Vivaldi on The Vivaldi Collection, Volume One: The Four Seasons / Musici di San Marco [Amarok] [09:46] <3 the Arcade Fire [09:46] that CD, in particular [09:47] "source code for AACGain is hosted in the sourceforge cvs repository as part of the mp3gain project" [09:47] so a lot of it is in cvs [09:47] :( [09:47] oh [09:47] my [09:47] brrrrrr [09:47] !info mp3gain [09:47] mp3gain (source: mp3gain): Lossless mp3 normalizer with statistical analysis. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.5.1-3 (lucid), package size 63 kB, installed size 180 kB [09:47] !info vorbisgain [09:47] is that what sourcforge uses? [09:47] vorbisgain (source: vorbisgain): add Replay Gain volume tags to Ogg Vorbis files. In component main, is optional. Version 0.36-3.1ubuntu2 (lucid), package size 26 kB, installed size 92 kB [09:48] valorie: the two important ones are already packaged [09:48] right [09:48] <3 developers who create GUI apps but fail to provide desktop files [09:48] but this is a front end [09:48] so you can just drag folders in and get them processed [09:50] right, Sourceforge uses CVS and Subversion [09:51] Linus should beat them with the big GIT stick [09:55] sf is not the best service there is anyway [09:55] in the early days amarok used it [09:55] it was a flipping nightmare [09:55] kubotu: google desktop entry spec [09:55] Results for desktop entry spec: 1. Desktop Entry Specification: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ | 2. Desktop Entry Specification: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html | 3. freedesktop.org - Specifications/desktop-entry-spec: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktop-entry-spec [09:55] * apachelogger hugs kubotu [10:00] valorie: almost done with the package [10:00] ! [10:00] you are amazing, apachelogger [10:00] is it pink? [10:02] the package? no, unfrotunately not :( [10:04] in a query I got - [11:03:08] !LIST [10:04] scary really ^^ [10:05] haha [10:05] that's some coding, there [10:11] Riddell: krake tells me that akonadi-u1-bookmarks could access the data of the existing local-bookmark resource ... so it is likely that getting this to work would be as much work as serializing the desktopcouch format to XBEL and hooking it up with the local-bookmarks [10:12] valorie: This application does have a ... weird ... user interface :/ [10:13] it has an interface [10:13] which is better than NO interface [10:13] which is what we have at present [10:13] too bad no pink, though [10:13] lol [10:14] Well, I personally would not know how to use it :) [10:16] they were saying that the average pop album now is as loud as early metal was [10:16] so you can hear Britney, I guess [10:17] anyway, if it's packaged [10:17] I can test it [10:17] and maybe the word will spread [10:17] and the author will improve it [10:17] Britney? Is she still in business? [10:17] actually, her last album wasn't bad [10:18] I heard it a bit more often than I would have chosen, but..... [10:18] it was no Vanilla Ice [10:18] :-) [10:18] or Achy Breaky Heart [10:18] * apachelogger does not know either ^^ [10:18] lucky you [10:19] * valorie dares apachelogger to search youtube [10:19] No time! Must package an icon-less application ;) [10:20] well then [10:20] package is done [10:20] ! [10:20] so how do I obtain it? [10:20] This however leaves the question where to publish it until it arrives in the Ubuntu archives :/ [10:20] ok [10:21] well, I mean [10:21] I can wait [10:21] but how long does it take to get into the archives? [10:21] I was figuring on waiting through some long beaureaucratic process [10:21] and then you just DO it [10:21] lol [10:21] which blows me away.... [10:22] you totally rock [10:22] That entirely depends on whether and when I can find a MOTU to check that I did not do anything wrong, and then whether and when I can find an archive administrator to check that I did not do anything wrong and that the beasty is really proper free software, and then on whether and when I can find someone from the ubuntu-backports team to backport it ;) [10:22] ok [10:22] which should take like a week [10:23] that is completely cool with me [10:23] kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger [10:23] * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger. [10:23] {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} to apachelogger [10:26] \o/ [10:26] * apachelogger rehugs valorie [10:26] :-) [10:26] valorie: Testing packages should be appearing soonish here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/+archive/ppa [10:27] your u1 stuff isn't in there [10:28] should it be? [10:28] seems like I added another ppa for that [10:28] That reminds me that I wanted to do something on u1 before you interrupted :P [10:28] I did attempt to install it [10:28] but couldn't [10:29] sorry for the interruption! [10:30] if you treat everyone who interrupts you so well [10:30] you'll never be able to get anything accomplished [10:31] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100613093152-dj9ueoxqxtum67b4 * (4 files in 2 dirs) * Depend on gnome-keyring >= 2.92.92.is.2.30.1-0ubuntu2 (lucid-updates) + In consequence drop the local copy of org.freedesktop.secrets.service [10:32] valorie: It will not work unless you manually jump around in source code and fix some stuff for KDE integration :/ [10:33] that's beyond my abilities [10:33] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100613093307-75gir16h1jc3qh0t * src/libs/Export.h Apparently I forgot to add the Export.h back when I made the syncdaemon public ;) [10:33] or time to develop them [10:34] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100613093450-ys7w1txf9hjdlooo * (.bzrignore debian/changelog) bzrignore++ [11:40] hmm, meinproc4 spits out "warning: failed to load external entity "dtd/kdex.dtd""; which is located in /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/dtd/kdex.dtd ... i wonder if that is because it looks in /usr/share/kde instead [12:22] a|wen: I am not sure I compute that. [12:23] apachelogger: kdesvn FTBFS in maverick currently with that error ... wondered if it was due to the changes in pkg-kde-tools to use /usr/share/kde (meinproc4 will look there), but the kdex.dtd file is still located in kde4 [12:23] well [12:24] Wouldnt the error then state the non-kde4'd path? [12:24] the error doesn't state a file ... i just tried locating it in the build-environment (and found it at the kde4 path) [12:24] ah [12:25] a|wen: I'd strace to see what really goes on. [12:25] But a path searching issues seems very likely indeed. [12:27] good idea ... lets see what strace can tell [12:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR3K5uB-wMA [12:27] * apachelogger takes Nightrose and swings through the channel [12:27] weeeeee [12:30] * a|wen dances into the kitchen to find some lunch [13:25] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100613122533-th79f3gv6rqzqia6 * debian/ubuntuone-kde.install fix install [13:52] [ubuntuone-kde] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100613125224-8t02v8lms3cuqk47 * debian/ (libubuntuone-qt-api-dev.install ubuntuone-kde.install) fix packaging [14:07] hrm. my plasma seems to be slow. for instance in lancelot, the moving of the highlight lags behind the mouse... [14:13] apachelogger: from the strace it looks like it is simply looking in a subdir of the current directory in the build-dir ... but of cause, i could be reading it wrong http://awen.dk/temp/meinproc.strace [14:14] a|wen: Did you invoke it with the right settings? [14:16] apachelogger: as far as i could ... is there any way to make sure it has the same environment as when the build is going on? [14:17] not sure [14:17] a|wen: Just write a wrapper script around meinproc4 [14:18] /home/test/bin/meinproc4: strace /usr/bin/meinproc4 $@ [14:18] or something [14:22] probably the best option ... hmm, maybe enabling debuggin in debian/rules will show something as well [14:24] * apachelogger really does not like the surveys that are sent to lists -.- [14:37] apachelogger: Does Ubuntu One KDE works with Maverick? [14:37] untested it is [14:37] Then I'll test it:) [14:37] also someone would have to make a package for that ^^ [14:38] oh, I forgot that [14:40] great ... looks like it really only looks in the local directory; this is strange [14:41] apachelogger: is there a lucid package for itP? [14:43] oh.. /me sees email now [15:36] ubuntuone-kde installed in Virtualbox:) [15:41] apachelogger: hey :) [15:42] shadeslayer_: o/ [15:42] apachelogger: yes i saw the increased size... its a overall increase of 500 KB .... [15:42] that is not too bad [15:42] IMHO [15:42] yeah... libkopete has increased by about 1 KB , kopete by 499 KB [15:43] thats just for the amd64 builds tho [15:43] apachelogger: I got some error with patching the syndaemon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/449217/ [15:43] shadeslayer_: Well, what is with the dependencies... [15:43] They also play into the size that would be added to the CD :/ [15:43] apachelogger: ah yes, we need two MIR's [15:44] apachelogger: hmm.. really? [15:44] ulysses: on maverick? [15:44] apachelogger: No, this is Lucid (i386) in Virtualbox [15:44] ohhh [15:44] ulysses: with lucid-updates? [15:44] ahhha [15:44] fresh installed Lucid, no update yet [15:45] ulysses: please update [15:45] okay [15:45] should be applying against the version from lucid-updates with Hunk #2 succeeded at 304 (offset -21 lines). [15:46] Nightrose: ping [15:47] apachelogger: pong [15:47] oh nuno is on the radio \o/ [15:47] Nightrose: Amarok promo does have no spunk! [15:48] * apachelogger considers this a bug [15:48] for that matter [15:48] apachelogger: bugfix welcome... [15:48] apachelogger: Kubuntu promo does have no spunk either! [15:48] apachelogger: yeah, I know :/ [15:48] apachelogger: talking to self again? [15:48] Nightrose: maybe apachelogger can help [15:49] i already told you you could ;-) [15:49] but seriously: 0 time atm [15:49] * Nightrose goes back to writing [15:49] Nightrose: :* [15:49] apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/KL9rEwTJ [15:49] :* [15:50] the 2 packages that need MIR's [15:50] shadeslayer_: Nope, you got something wrong there. The underlying source packages need MIRs. [15:51] apachelogger: yes,the linphone source package ;) [15:51] shadeslayer_: The source package must be in main, any given binary package from the source package can then be in main, or not. :) [15:51] shadeslayer_: Also that still does not settle the question as to how much actual dependencies this adds :) [15:51] apachelogger: im looking into that too.... [15:52] for the actual binary in the CD i would think we need libmediastreamer too [15:52] no this is not going to work out :P [15:53] fat chance of getting Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.22), libavcodec52 (>= 4:0.6~svn20100505-1) | libavcodec-extra-52 (>= 4:0.6~svn20100505-1), libc6 (>= 2.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgsm1 (>= 1.0.13), libogg0 (>= 1.0rc3), libortp8, libpulse0 (>= 0.9.16), libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1), libspeex1 (>= 1.2~beta3-1), libspeexdsp1 (>= 1.2~beta3.2-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libswscale0 (>= 4:0.6~svn20100505-1) | libswscale-extra-0 (>= 4:0 [15:53] .6~svn20100505-1), libtheora0 (>= 0.0.0.alpha7.dfsg), libv4l-0 (>= 0.5.0), libx11-6 [15:53] into the cd [15:53] Is that libkopete or kopete? [15:54] apachelogger: thats the dep of libmediastreamer0 [15:54] * apachelogger finds this all very confusing ^^ [15:54] shadeslayer_: What do libkopete and kopete link against? [15:55] apachelogger: we added just 2 deps, libortp-dev and libmediastreamer0-dev,libmediastreamer0-dev has a dep against libmediastreamer0 which has a dep against all of the above [15:55] oh oh oh [15:55] We need to get the wording sorted here :) [15:56] hehe true :D [15:56] shadeslayer_: Linking against = what will show up as dependency in the actual deb (e.g. what apt-cache lists as Depends:) [15:56] then there is Build-depends = what you need to build the source [15:57] and in addition to that again Depends = all that is actually listed as dependencies of the binary package (this does not have to be what one would define as linking against) [15:58] for example an application that comes with a python script might depend on python, but will not link against it [15:58] apachelogger: like this? http://pastebin.com/q5dsSrYF [15:59] yes [16:00] I am wondering where that @h@ is coming through though. [16:00] yeah,didnt see that Depends was all in one line :P [16:00] so i added @h@ to each line ;) [16:01] apachelogger: we also have http://pastebin.com/Buq6WgDJ [16:01] ah :) [16:02] libortp8 is about 80kb (200 installed) [16:03] no further deps [16:03] that is good [16:03] libmediastreamer0 is 120 (350 installed) [16:05] apachelogger: that you can savely try using the KDE integration. It should be noted that ... hehe savely :P [16:05] from your post in kubuntu-devel [16:05] well [16:05] it will not break anything [16:05] it might just not work :P [16:05] :) [16:06] libswscale0 is a dep of mediastreamer that is not yet on the CD [16:06] apachelogger: wrt kopete? [16:06] adds 230 (720 installed) [16:06] apachelogger: kopete + google voice works in maverick... lucid testers have given no feedback yet :P [16:06] libavutil is also not on the CD [16:07] adds another 100 (230) [16:07] hmm... we might be adding about 1-2 MB on the CD with this [16:08] libavcodec is not on board either, adds 4000kb (10000 installed) - considerable less on amd64 [16:08] libgsm is not on board adding 30 (120) [16:09] libschroedigner is not on board - adding 210 (630) [16:09] liboil is not on board - adding 160 (680) [16:10] shadeslayer_: is that 500 for kopete installed or packaged? [16:11] either way this adds around 5 MiB to the CD :/ [16:11] libavcodec is quite heavy [16:12] hmm... === shadeslayer__ is now known as shadeslayer [16:13] apachelogger: 500 KB packaged :P [16:14] shadeslayer_: that is almost 5.5 then :/ [16:14] That is a lot... [16:14] yes seems so.... [16:14] so i guess we will have to dump this then :)( [16:14] no [16:14] someone knows how to install kdevelop in maverick? [16:15] omg... kdevelop is still at 4.4.0 in maverick [16:15] Riddell: ^^ [16:15] if I enter: "apt-get install kdevelop" [16:16] shadeslayer_: There are more advanced packaging techniques ;) [16:16] it says kdevplatform1-libs would replace it [16:16] We could have like libkopete-gtalk or something ;) [16:16] Not sure if it is worth it. [16:16] apachelogger: i need to learn those i guess then :) [16:16] apachelogger: hmm... true [16:16] shadeslayer_: maybe bring this up on the mailing list, maybe others think that it is worth the 5 MiB eitherway [16:17] In which case you would not have to mess with that other stuff ;) [16:17] :P [16:17] ok ill put it in the ML :) [16:17] shadeslayer_: Any news from upstream by the way? [16:18] nope... the guy who reported the bug responded though [16:18] on my mail.... [16:18] Hm. [16:18] Also, this feature is VERY hidden. [16:18] yes... thats true [16:19] kubotu: np [16:19] apachelogger is listening to "lobster bucket!" by The Aquabats! -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more [16:24] shadeslayer_: It does not even do video.... [16:24] apachelogger: its not in the jingle library :( [16:24] Well, I opt for not adding it just now. [16:24] Especially since the user will be strugled with getting it setup to begin with [16:24] they will update it with video support in the near future [16:25] Because kopete does not offer GTalk as option and getting the settings right is almost impossible [16:26] apachelogger: uh.. kopete does offer gtalk as a option... also i didnt have to fiddle with anything on maverick.. works out of the box [16:28] also there is a small bug... you can make calls but when you recieve them you dont get audio [16:29] shadeslayer_: Where? Screenshot! [16:29] I do not see no gtalk :( [16:32] apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/DxxChPPP.html [16:32] This is not obvious to the user. [16:32] Also you do have to set this junk up. [16:33] yeah... change server to talk.google.com [16:33] For Google Talk setup should be like: enter username, enter password. bang [16:33] apachelogger: there's no "README" in your gsoc branch [16:33] shadeslayer_: How is the regular off the shelf user supposed to know that. [16:33] apachelogger: I can write one for you if you like [16:34] apachelogger: by googling : set up gtalk in kopete : :D [16:34] Tm_T: If you deem it necessary :) [16:34] shadeslayer_: No regular off the shelf user will ever ever do that :/ [16:34] apachelogger: I do, for the future or if someone gets sourcepackage without your instructions [16:36]