[00:53] <sylon> i installed the meer cat just to try it out.. although xfce is pretty much unuseable due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/586012  but yeah expected of such a pre alpha quality
[00:56] <sylon> maybe i will try out lucid in the mean time
[00:57] <DrHalan> sylon maybe try out gnome or kde? works fine for me
[00:58] <sylon> DrHalan: yea thats an option but not enough resources, maybe will try lxde
[00:58] <DrHalan> just saying. think those "small" DEs aren't maintained as good as Gnome for example
[01:00] <sylon> fair point but i have used kde and gnome in the past and my test pc doesnt have resources to run them, but yeah even on my main machine i use xfce
[01:03] <sylon> DrHalan: is it in a usable state mostly? like common apps, firefox/pidgin etc
[01:03] <DrHalan> yeah everything works fine
[01:04] <sylon> btw what are these pae kernels if i run 32bits
[01:05] <DrHalan> if you need more than 4GB of RAM you have to use those
[01:05] <DrHalan> because 32bit normally doesnt support more ram
[01:09] <sylon> what? so 32bit linux can support > 4GB with these kernels?
[01:10] <penguin42> yep
[01:10] <penguin42> assuming that your hardware can
[01:12] <DrHalan> and normally if your hardware can you can also run 64bit ^^
[01:15] <sylon> i got a amd 64bit cpu but prefer using 32bit os
[01:15] <sylon> and i guess ill continue to use 32bit till i get more ram and mainstream drops 32bit
[01:16] <penguin42> DrHalan: Although the reverse isn't true; e.g. this machine can only take 3GB RAM but can do 64bit
[01:17] <DrHalan> penguin42: yeah sure.
[01:17] <sylon> yea my laptop is limited to 4GB
[01:17] <DrHalan> sylon: what are you waitng for? the whole repository is compiled in 64-bit
[01:18] <sylon> DrHalan: well mainstream, yes i know theres 64bit repo but i use apps outside of the repo like flash plugin which is 32bit only and a few other things,  i dont wanna use nspluginwrapper or whatever
[01:19] <DrHalan> there acutally is a 64bit flashplugin from adobe
[01:19] <Volkodav> use 64 bit flash
[01:19] <sylon> DrHalan: read news, they dropped it
[01:19] <DrHalan> i read it was discontiuned though...
[01:19] <Volkodav> still works
[01:19] <sylon> they had beta version, dropped for RTM
[01:19] <DrHalan> yeah well sucks...
[01:20] <sylon> i also like to use offfical firefox builds and not ubuntu ones, which only recently started to be 64bit nightlies for v4.0 in the future
[01:20] <DrHalan> mh i use chromium :P
[01:21] <Volkodav> sylon: what stops you
[01:22] <sylon> well i dont want to use it
[01:22] <sylon> unless i have to
[01:22] <Volkodav> from using offfical firefox builds and not ubuntu ones &
[01:22] <Volkodav> ?
[01:23] <sylon> oh that, i like to use the built in automatic updates, they are faster than ubuntu and in browser
[01:23] <Volkodav> we all use what we want - that's the freedom we have
[01:24] <sylon> yea i tried chromium, will come back to it when it was real ad blocking
[01:24] <DrHalan> "apt-get dist-upgrade" wants to remove xserver-xorg-video-all?
[01:25] <sylon> does ubuntu kernel now use tux-on-ice patches?
[01:29] <DrHalan> sylon: there is an improved hibernate?
[01:29] <DrHalan> looking up tuxonice right now
[01:30] <sylon> i been useing tux on ice for years, it used to be called suspend2
[01:31] <DrHalan> oh and where exactly is the difference?
[01:31] <sylon> i dont know, the built in one has never worked as well as this for me
[01:32] <sylon> my current laptop has uptime of 100 days - cause i only ever hibernate it, never had this kind of stability with built in suspend
[01:33] <DrHalan> for me neither hibernate nor suspend does work
[01:33] <DrHalan> suspend kinda does but after i resume my wlan is really slow
[01:34] <DrHalan> hope the new kernel improves that
[01:34] <sylon> my wlan automatically connects on resume and everything works
[01:34] <DrHalan> seems like tux on ice is also supports graphical hibernate?
[01:34] <DrHalan> yeah here too but the connectivity is really low afterwards.. kinda strange
[04:04] <enav> hello i need some orientations.....  this friday i was designed to migrate an entire office from Windows to Ubuntu... that is cool... but they want the office working like windows authentication model... i mean active directory to save users and apply administrative templates.... and so forth....   give me some links or ideas to implement ubuntu in my office
[04:16] <Volkodav> is there an option in installer for brtfs ?
[04:17] <Volkodav> btrfs*
[04:49] <alex_mayorga> how borked is alpha 1?
[07:06] <edgy> Hi, I want to connect to another server using xdmcp, i tried tsclient and the option is disabled, looked for gdm and cannot find the option, how can I do that please?
[10:09] <om26er> there are a few bugs which are milstoned to a EOL versions resetting the target milestone is fine?
[10:55] <vish> om26er: unless we are the team's admin or members it is better not to change milestones.  you could ping the concerned team about the problem
[10:56] <vish> om26er: and probably it was a question for -bugs  ;)
[10:57] <om26er_> oh ok, and I asked in the wrong channel :)
[11:31] <BUGabundo> morning
[11:34] <fosco_> hi
[11:55] <yofel> great... there I'm searching for why plasma forgets my widgets after logout in kde 4.5
[11:55] <yofel> turns out it doesn't
[11:55] <yofel> it just creates a new activity on every login and switches to that...
[12:49] <DrHalan> is there anohter upgrade to xorg 1.8 now?
[12:59] <DrHalan> aah wait lucid had 1.7 not 1.6
[12:59] <DrHalan> willl maveric update to x.org 1.9 at some point then?`
[14:16] <nperry> Yes
[14:17]  * BUGa_vacantions unsubs from https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/indicator-application/+bug/527458
[14:35] <cwillu> BUGa_vacantions, you don't give up on bugs
[14:35] <BUGa_vacantions> I sure do
[14:36] <BUGa_vacantions> I MUST clean my bug mail from worthless stuff
[14:37] <arand> DrHalan: It will indeed, as per the announcement on the mailing list.
[14:38] <DrHalan> thanks arand
[14:45] <DrHalan> 1.8 still not working for me
[14:45] <DrHalan> also grub boots kernel 2.6.32
[14:45] <Ian_corne> 1.8 ruby you mean?
[14:46] <DrHalan> x.org 1.8
[14:49] <Ian_corne> oh
[14:49] <Ian_corne> it works for me
[15:32] <BUGa_vacantions> omg http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_64bit.html
[15:32] <BUGa_vacantions> no more 64bits flash
[15:32] <Ian_corne> for now
[15:32] <Daekdroom> not-so-new news
[15:32] <Ian_corne> not even for windows 7
[15:32] <Ian_corne> so i dunno
[15:32] <Ian_corne> or is it?
[15:33] <Daekdroom> No 64bits at all for any OS for now
[15:33] <Ian_corne> I'm not too worried
[15:36] <Daijoubu> Hello, i just tried the Alpha 1 on a live USB stick, but there was no /dev/dvb/ folder.Is the support for mantis drivers removed from the kernel?
[15:42] <yofel> this plasma memory leak is getting annoying
[15:42] <yofel> 27063 yofel     20   0 2430m 1.5g  10m D    7 40.8  31:43.17 plasma-desktop
[15:42]  * yofel wonders what actually leaks memory there
[15:43] <BUGa_vacantions> !valgrind
[15:43] <BUGa_vacantions> bad bot
[15:43] <yofel> I know
[15:44] <yofel> but I'll first have to remove the widgets one by one to find the one that's broken, or if it's plasma itself
[15:51] <BUGa_vacantions> bbl
[15:59] <Daijoubu> Is the support for mantis driver devices removed from the kernel in Maverick?
[16:13] <yofel> Daijoubu: which driver exactly? the 'mantis' driver is there in 2.6.35. Not sure about the alpha1 disk as that has 2.6.34
[16:21] <Ian_corne> my laptop battery icond doesn't change the "fullness" anymmore
[16:21] <Ian_corne> it just shows full
[16:21] <Ian_corne> and i have to click to see how many minutes left
[16:56] <funkyHat> anyone have a workaround for fglrx and linux 2.6.35?
[18:06] <knittl> my xorg uses a lot of cpu after some time. am i the only one?
[18:07] <knittl> everything gets really sluggish too
[18:12] <ripps> My computer has been completely freezing recently, but I haven't found anything on past dmesg logs about it. Is there someway to capture some information before one of them happens?
[18:12] <Ian_corne> ripps: ati?
[18:12] <ripps> Ian_corne: yes
[18:12] <Ian_corne> lucid?
[18:12] <ripps> radeon 9600 pro, maverick
[18:13] <Ian_corne> I've changed my lucid box to the OS driver because it kept locking up
[18:13] <Ian_corne> it works really good
[18:13] <ripps> Ian_corne: I'm not using fglrx, it doesn't support my card
[18:13] <Ian_corne> oh
[18:13] <Ian_corne> well, sorry no experience with locking up on maverick with ati
[18:13] <Ian_corne> only got my nvidia and intel box to maverick so far
[18:14] <ripps> it's not really locking up. It's like a complete system failure. my monitor turns off my keyboard's numlock light freezes and the harddrive light on desktop stops blinking
[18:15] <ripps> I've heard that there might be some agp issues with the recent radeon drm and drivers.
[18:16] <Ian_corne> ouch
[18:16] <Ian_corne> What i've had was just a freeze
[18:36] <knittl> Xorg 42 % cpu
[18:36] <knittl> wtf?
[18:36] <knittl> i'm using nvidia-current as driver, could that be the cause?
[18:38] <Ian_corne> Did you do some upgrade?
[18:38] <Ian_corne> s
[18:38] <Ian_corne> to 1.8
[18:39] <knittl> there's a lot of xserver-xorg packages kept back from updating
[18:40] <Ian_corne> The following packages have unmet dependencies: xserver-xorg-core: Breaks: xserver-xorg-video-6 which is a virtual package.
[18:40] <Ian_corne> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
[18:40] <Ian_corne> Remove the following packages:
[18:40] <Ian_corne> nvidia-current
[18:40] <Ian_corne> So i guess it could dirtify things
[18:41] <knittl> sucks
[18:41] <knittl> i could test nouveau though
[18:48] <knittl> could it be that firefox hogs up xorg somehow?
[18:58] <matrixa1> first thing I did when I installed lucid was completely blacklisting nouveau, then getting latest beta from nvidia
[18:59] <matrixa1> worked like a charm
[18:59] <knittl> why is everybody talking about lucid? meerkat is the next version
[18:59] <matrixa1> because meerkat also has nouveau as default
[19:00] <yofel> erm, nvidia-current will blacklist nouveau when you install it
[19:00] <yofel> and it works perfectly fine here (256)
[19:00] <penguin42> what is 'broadcast preferences' supposed to be? (It doesn't start for me)
[19:00] <matrixa1> yofel, 256.29?
[19:01] <yofel> matrixa1: yes
[19:01] <yofel> the x-updates ppa has it
[19:02] <matrixa1> looks like from now on my life will become a tad bit easier
[19:22] <Sarvatt> the nvidia-current in x-updates has a little problem though, the modaliases aren't getting extracted right because the format changed so it wont show up in jockey for most people
[19:23] <Sarvatt> but if its installed already it upgrades fine and you can still install with a package manager if you just make sure you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf afterwards, sudo nvidia-xconfig if not
[19:23] <BUGabundo> you mean X builds are done?
[19:23] <BUGabundo> I can upgrade at will Sarvatt?
[19:24] <Sarvatt> i dont think tseliot ever uploaded it to maverick :(
[19:24] <BUGabundo> The following packages have been kept back:
[19:24] <BUGabundo>   xserver-xorg{a} xserver-xorg-core{a} xserver-xorg-input-evdev{a} xserver-xorg-input-synaptics{a} xserver-xorg-input-wacom xserver-xorg-video-apm{a}   xserver-xorg-video-ark{a} xserver-xorg-video-chips{a} xserver-xorg-video-cirrus{a} xserver-xorg-video-fbdev{a} xserver-xorg-video-i128{a}   xserver-xorg-video-intel{a} xserver-xorg-video-mach64{a} xserver-xorg-video-mga{a} xserver-xorg-video-neomagic{a} xserver-xorg-video-nv{a}   xserver-xorg
[19:24] <BUGabundo> {a} xserver-xorg-video-tseng{a} xserver-xorg-video-v4l{a} xserver-xorg-video-vesa   xserver-xorg-video-vmware{a} xserver-xorg-video-voodoo{a}
[19:24] <BUGabundo> :(
[19:25] <Sarvatt> all it needs is a no change rebuild, you can apt-get source nvidia-current, cd to the directory, dch -i to bump the version, and debuild -uc -us -b to make the debs
[19:25] <Sarvatt> then install the debs and you can upgrade fine
[19:26] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[19:26] <BUGabundo> ill wait till aptitude says its ok
[19:27] <BUGabundo> you guys are going to make it direct upload right?
[19:27] <Sarvatt> actually no you can't do what I just said, you need to build against the newer xserver :)
[19:27] <Sarvatt> i can't upload stuff
[19:27] <Sarvatt> or i would have done it a week ago
[19:28] <BUGabundo> why can't you do it ?
[19:28] <BUGabundo> lost privs to archive?
[19:29] <Sarvatt> never had it :)
[19:30] <BUGabundo> ahh
[19:30] <BUGabundo> start working for it :)
[19:30] <BUGabundo> with package only permitions you should be fine
[19:33] <ripps> *sigh* I want to try out Unity, but it hoplessly crashes in Ubuntu. There seems to be a problem deep in glib or gtk.
[19:59] <gord> ripps, whats the error you are getting that makes you believe that the problem is in glib/gtk?
[20:00] <ripps> gord: backtrace led to glib. Check out #592920
[20:00] <ripps> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/592920
[20:00] <Daekdroom> !info unity
[20:02] <gord> actually no its a bad x window error. all the gtk warnings are indicators loading. could you attach the output of glxinfo to the bug as well?
[20:04] <ripps> gord: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50279359/glxinfo
[20:08] <gord> ripps, looks like you don't have the GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two extension which iirc we require to run
[20:08] <ripps> ...okay... what can I do about it?
[20:09] <gord> if your hardware supports the extension (if its old, it won't) then you could try installing the ati binary drivers
[20:09] <gord> sorry amd drivers, its amd now not ati
[20:09] <ripps> gord: sorry, too old. radeon 9600 pro (rv350)
[20:10] <gord> ripps, yeah sorry, thats fairly old. doubt it supports non power of two textures at all :(
[20:11] <ripps> that seems kinda dumb, unity should be capable on running older hardware. alot of people use r300-r500 ati cards
[20:12] <Volkodav> is there an option in installer to choose btrfs ?
[20:13] <gord> ripps, unity is designed to run on netbooks not desktops. ala: we target the features that are offered to us by gpu's used in netbooks. we are not targeting older hardware sorry
[20:13]  * ripps goes to the corner an pouts
[20:14] <ripps> is it possible that a fork could be made that works with older hardware? There alot of cool features with it that I think would be great on desktops, not just netbooks
[20:14] <knittl> nouveau is crap, it does not support my 1920x1200
[20:15] <om26er> better than -nv atleast
[20:15] <knittl> it worked with nv, but now i only have 1600x1200
[20:16] <knittl> and second screen is blank (worked with nvidia-current)
[20:16] <penguin42> curious, just noticed when I click on the button at the top-right to shutdown my maverick guest it draws a little red highlight around my terminal launcher on my panel - I'm sure there is a reason - it looks more deliberate than bug
[20:17] <knittl> penguin42: my pidgin launcher is highlighted too
[20:18] <penguin42> curious isn't it
[20:18] <knittl> the monitor tool doesn't like my nouveau
[20:18]  * penguin42 disappears
[20:18] <knittl> how can i find out my current graphics driver?
[20:19] <ripps> hmm... it seems that it might be possible to work around the GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two in Gallium, by having it run through a softpipe.
[20:25] <yofel> knittl: check which one is used in Xorg.0.log
[20:26] <knittl> yofel: must be nouveau, because glxgears shows something :>
[20:26] <knittl> hrm, what do i need to install to have full nouveau?
[20:27] <knittl> right now i only get 1600x1200
[20:27] <ripps> actually, yes. I see from someone testing r300g, That their mesa supports non_power_of_two.
[20:27] <knittl> and the right side of the screen is left!
[20:28] <yofel> dunno, IIRC you only need xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and libdrm-nouvau1
[20:28] <knittl> hm, it still tries to load nvidia :-/
[20:28] <yofel> knittl: deleted your xorg.conf?
[20:28] <knittl> yofel: yes
[20:28] <yofel> nouveau doesn't need one
[20:28] <knittl> moved it to xorg.conf.xinerama
[20:29] <yofel> then I don't get why it would use nvidia o.O
[20:29] <bjsnider> knittl, if you put the horizsync/vertrefresh values in the xorg.conf you will get your native resolution
[20:29] <yofel> knittl: and you *removed* nvidia?
[20:29] <knittl> xorg log says »can't load module nvidia«
[20:29] <knittl> yofel: yes, i deleted it to be able to update all packages
[20:29] <yofel> odd then
[20:30] <knittl> i'll reinstall nouveau then try to kill x and restart it
[20:30] <knittl> hm no, still weird
[20:30] <knittl> bjsnider: ehm ok, how can i get a xorg.conf back without using the .xinerama version for nvidia?
[20:31] <knittl> and how do i know the values for hsync and vrefresh
[20:33] <knittl> i mean, i could just install nvidia-current again and remove all xserver-xorg-video-* packages :D
[20:33] <yofel> no need to remove them, just install nvidia-current and reboot
[20:34] <knittl> yofel: installing nvidia-current removes them
[20:34] <knittl> dependency issues ^^
[20:34] <knittl> and do i have to reboot? isn't it enough to restart X?
[20:34] <knittl> maybe that's the only problem
[20:34] <BUGabundo> PLEASE use jockey to do that
[20:34] <BUGabundo> don't use apt
[20:35] <BUGabundo> you need to downgrade
[20:35] <BUGabundo> the current package needs a nochange rebuild
[20:35] <BUGabundo> at least from what I recall of what Sarvatt sair
[20:35] <BUGabundo> *said
[20:36] <Daijoubu> Is support for mantis driver devices removed from the kernel of Maverick ?
[20:36] <knittl> BUGabundo: jockey never worked reliably for me
[20:36] <BUGabundo> it should
[20:36] <BUGabundo> did you file bugs for it ?
[20:36] <knittl> BUGabundo: so how long will it take for the packages to be updated
[20:36] <knittl> i'll try a system reboot
[20:37] <knittl> not an x restart
[20:37] <BUGabundo> ask him
[20:37] <BUGabundo> or better
[20:37] <BUGabundo> tseliot
[20:37] <knittl> apt worked reasonably well for me in the past
[20:37] <knittl> at least to install nvidia-current
[20:37] <knittl> and jockey was broken a lot when the -modaliases packages were out of date
[20:37]  * knittl rebooting
[20:38] <Daijoubu> No one knows?
[20:38] <yofel> knittl: the new nvidia-current package in the x-updates ppa (256.29) won't remove them
[20:39] <yofel> Daijoubu: that's a bit hard to say, the driver is there, maybe some fw issue? got the kernel log?
[20:40] <yofel> Daijoubu: and did you try a daily build now or still just alpha1?
[20:40] <Daijoubu> yofel no i used Live USb stick.If the driver is active there is a /dev/dvb/ folder, but there isn't such.If mantis is not removed it should work
[20:41] <Daijoubu> yofel only Alpha1, i think that after updating on live usb, after reboot it erases any changes
[20:42] <yofel> if it's a persistent usb image it won't forget all updates, but I don't think you can upgrade the kernel
[20:42] <yofel> !daily
[20:42] <Daijoubu> thank si will try that
[20:43] <bjsnider> knittl, used to be sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg would get you a plain xorg.conf. may be it still does
[20:43] <Daijoubu> yofel is there any contious effort for detecting/installing the dvb devices with the mantis driver in the kernel, or additional steps are required to make things work?
[20:44] <yofel> no idea
[20:44] <Daijoubu> yofel which link should i use?!
[20:46] <yofel> the second one, daily-live
[20:46] <Ian_corne> anyone else have flash problems in google-chrome-unstable ?
[20:47] <Ian_corne> it's annoying, flash doesn't work in google-chrome-unstable, does work in firefox
[20:47] <Ian_corne> and it does work in google-chrome-unstable on my other box
[20:48] <Ian_corne> purge and reinstall didn't fix it
[20:49] <knittl> ok, looks way better now
[20:49] <knittl> fsck took a while to run
[20:50] <knittl> now let's try the second screen
[20:50] <knittl> OH MY
[20:50] <knittl> woooot
[20:50] <knittl> i plugged it in and it came to life
[20:50] <knittl> in full resolution
[20:50] <knittl> wtf, now this is great
[20:50] <BUGabundo> knittl: calm down :)
[20:50] <knittl> no, this is incredible
[20:51] <BUGabundo> Ian_corne: chromium from daily ppa works fine with latest flash
[20:51] <BUGabundo> it does die a lot
[20:52] <Ian_corne> I'm gonna check that now
[20:52] <bjsnider> what version of flash?
[20:52] <Ian_corne> and google-chrome-unstable also has the latest flash
[20:52] <knittl> i can even rotate the screen. woohooo
[20:52] <Ian_corne> but it just shows a grey box
[20:52] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: the new one
[20:52] <BUGabundo> 10.1
[20:53] <BUGabundo> knittl: rotaion on nvidia?
[20:53] <BUGabundo> that's a first
[20:53] <knittl> BUGabundo: no, nouveau
[20:53] <BUGabundo> ahh
[20:53] <BUGabundo> yeah that works
[20:53] <BUGabundo> just don't try any fancy 3Ds
[20:53] <knittl> that driver now works better than nvidia-current
[20:53] <knittl> 1300 frames in 5 seconds seem ok
[20:53] <BUGabundo> what?!!!
[20:53] <bjsnider> ah, no it does not
[20:53] <BUGabundo> no it doesn't
[20:53] <BUGabundo> don't make me like wanna try it
[20:53] <Ian_corne> you won't get descent stuff in google earth either :p
[20:54] <knittl> BUGabundo: that's only glxgears
[20:54] <BUGabundo> $ glxgears -fullscreen
[20:54] <BUGabundo> 1084 frames in 5.0 seconds
[20:54] <knittl> even ttys are in a beautiful small resolution now
[20:54] <BUGabundo> 90fps in compiz benchmark
[20:55] <BUGabundo> yeah, ttys look nicer
[20:55] <BUGabundo> and boot is faster
[20:55] <knittl> 28 frames in 5.2 seconds :D
[20:55] <knittl> but fullscreen here is 3840x1200
[20:56] <BUGabundo> eheheheeheheheh
[20:56] <knittl> maximized window on 1920x1200 is 55 frames
[20:56] <BUGabundo> HOLLYYYY MACARONI
[20:56] <Ian_corne> $ glxgears -fullscreen
[20:56] <Ian_corne> 269 frames in 5.0 seconds
[20:56] <Ian_corne> OHYEAH
[20:56] <BUGabundo> Ian_corne: ppooooorrrr you
[20:56] <knittl> not too fast, but i okey :D
[20:56] <Ian_corne> Intel baby!
[20:56] <BUGabundo> hahahahaha
[20:56] <BUGabundo> yofel: how about you on kde?
[20:57] <BUGabundo> I remember someone in here having a SLI
[20:57] <BUGabundo> who was it ?
[20:57] <knittl> hm, blender on both screens lags a bit, but it's still usable for me
[20:58] <knittl> haha, this is bigtime fun
[20:58] <arand> Haven't got any updates for a day or so, is there some arbitrary freeze going on or if my apt misbehaving?
[20:59] <Ian_corne> there's updates
[20:59] <Ian_corne> in the x thingy
[20:59] <Ian_corne> but it's breaking :p
[21:00] <knittl> the only stupid thing with 1920x1200 + 1920x1080 is, that i can move my mouse outside the monitor on the smaller one
[21:00] <Ian_corne> yeah
[21:01] <BUGabundo> yep
[21:01] <Ian_corne> yar
[21:01] <BUGabundo> but you can also place them exactly as IRL
[21:01] <BUGabundo> not just virtually side by side
[21:01] <BUGabundo> overlaping is a dope
[21:01] <knittl> yes, but that doesn't change stuff ^^
[21:01] <knittl> i could still move outside
[21:02] <knittl> and they are virtually placed the exact same way
[21:02] <knittl> bottom edge aligned, top edge not
[21:02] <arand> I think I pulled in most of x a day ago, since then, nuffink.
[21:03] <knittl> muahhaa, i never thought nouveau will work so well
[21:04] <Ian_corne> it works well for 2d
[21:04] <knittl> it even works well enough for 3d
[21:04] <Ian_corne> I don' tknow how it peforms for full hd vids for example
[21:04] <knittl> oh, i could test
[21:04] <knittl> need to know it anyway
[21:05] <knittl> where's the sintel trailer?
[21:05] <arand> knittl: Wha? Even compositing?
[21:05] <knittl> arand: i use plain metacity
[21:05] <arand> ah
[21:05] <Ian_corne> compositing works with noveau
[21:06] <knittl> sintel trailer in 1080p plays without problems
[21:06] <arand> Ian_corne: Reasonable as well?
[21:06] <knittl> cpu usage between 30 and 60 %
[21:06] <Ian_corne> arand: I'm sorry i can't really give a clear answer
[21:06] <Ian_corne> my box is so old
[21:06] <Ian_corne> i'm happy if it runs anything :D
[21:07] <arand> :)
[21:09] <BUGabundo> knittl: big buck bunny ?
[21:09] <knittl> that's on my external drive
[21:09] <knittl> sintel trailer is in my downloads folder
[21:15] <BUGabundo> heh
[21:15] <BUGabundo> I always have BBB on hand :)
[21:16] <knittl> hehe
[21:16] <Ian_corne> BBB?
[21:16] <knittl> big buck bunny
[21:17] <knittl> new sintel renders are just awesome
[21:17] <knittl> stunning
[21:19] <Daijoubu> yofel, well no dev/dvb/ folder again, what long file should i look at or pastebin? o-o
[21:20] <Daijoubu> *log
[21:32] <Ian_corne> BUGabundo: chromium does work
[21:32] <Ian_corne> it annoys me :(
[21:32] <yofel> Daijoubu: does dmesg mention the driver?
[21:32] <BUGabundo> Ian_corne: use it instead
[21:32] <BUGabundo> blobs suck anyway
[21:33] <Ian_corne> what does google-chrome have as advantage?
[21:33] <yofel> knittl: about compositing, it does work here, but about half of my kwin effects don't work
[21:33] <BUGabundo> Ian_corne: nothing ?
[21:34] <Ian_corne> ok :p
[21:34] <yofel> but better than nothing at least
[21:34] <knittl> yofel: i only used kwin once, when metacity was broken
[21:34] <knittl> i hated it :D
[21:34] <Ian_corne> BUGabundo: the icon is yellow/red :p
[21:34] <yofel> well, kwin is KDE, either you love or you hate it :P
[21:34] <Ian_corne> instead of blue white
[21:34] <BUGabundo> Ian_corne: otoh chromium builds from fta are done to match each release of ubuntu, you do have some limited support
[21:35] <BUGabundo> works nicer with flash, codecs, etc
[21:35] <knittl> yofel: i'm on the hate side ;)
[21:35] <BUGabundo> AND no phone home :)
[21:35] <yofel> heh
[21:35] <knittl> although some apps are too simple in gnome
[21:35] <BUGabundo> I like blue :D
[21:35] <yofel> well, I think compiz won't work perfectly too with nouveau, but most things should work
[21:36] <Ian_corne> BUGabundo: I don't mind phone home
[21:36] <Ian_corne> unlike others, I like targeted adds
[21:36] <BUGabundo> its not that
[21:36] <Ian_corne> if I'm to view ads anyways
[21:36] <BUGabundo> you still get those
[21:36] <BUGabundo> wait... what ads?
[21:36] <Ian_corne> I don't run adblock unless it blocks the site from viewing correctly
[21:40] <Ian_corne> boo, chromium can only import from ff
[21:40] <Ian_corne> not from google-chrome
[21:40]  * BUGabundo likes https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/aeoigbhkilbllfomkmmilbfochhlgdmh
[21:40] <BUGabundo> Ian_corne: erk risc a copy profile?
[21:41] <Ian_corne> I won't
[21:41] <Ian_corne> don't want to break flash again :p
[21:41] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:41] <BUGabundo> if it does just make a new profile
[21:42] <Ian_corne> I'm scared!
[21:47]  * BUGabundo feeds Ian_corne with some placebo pills
[21:50] <Daijoubu> yofel, i can't find anything that makes sense for the device, with lspci -vvn  the device is listed as "04:05.0 0480: 1822:4e35 (rev 01), Subsystem: 153b:1179,Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-,
[21:51] <Daijoubu> gosh when will linux have something as simple as hardware manager in windows -_-''
[21:51] <DanaG> try "update-pciids"
[21:52] <yofel> err... then I'm out of ideas, I'm not a kernel expert, you should file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug linux' and select 'regression-potential' when asked about regressions.
[21:55] <Daijoubu> yofel, why there's not strategy for dvb devices in ubuntu? I think in OpenSuse or Mandriva forgot which one, you can chose to install your card with GUI, and even though my device was not installed by default i was able to make it work with the gui with 3 clicks
[21:56] <Daijoubu> DanaG, i did this, emm what's this supposed to do?
[21:56] <yofel> err.. please don't ask ME, I don't know much about dvb cards, the only one I have works perfectly fine in lucid, and I didn't try maverick there yet
[21:57] <Daijoubu> yofel, yours works out of the box?
[21:58] <yofel> yes, I only have to set up the channel list in kaffeine
[21:58] <Daijoubu> :/
[21:58] <Daijoubu> ok then can someone take a look at this page please http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TerraTec_Cinergy_S2_PCI_HD_CI
[21:59] <Daijoubu> it says that "Mantis driver is included in kernel version => 2.6.33-rc6."
[22:00] <yofel> well, there is a 'mantis' module, but modinfo only says "description:    MANTIS driver"
[22:00] <yofel> tried loading the module by hand?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> Ian_corne: https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/mabenbhpjlchigbbpafligkdnlhjbmel?hl=en LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLL
[22:01] <Ian_corne> :p
[22:02] <yofel> see, nothing is more than nothing :D
[22:02] <Daijoubu> yofel, huh that seamed to work i think o-o can't install Me Tv from software center though, no install button
[22:02] <DanaG> Daijoubu: what that's supposed to do is to give you names for things.
[22:03] <Daijoubu> never mind i will try Kaffeine
[22:05] <yofel> *sigh*, when will the text colors be finally fixed in webkit, with my dark theme SC is almost unusable as some text has the same color as the background...
[22:06] <Ian_corne> same with eclipse
[22:07] <yofel> actually any webkit stuff is broken like that, like rekonq
[22:09] <Ian_corne> Aren't there some global values that apps can use, based on the theme?
[22:09] <Ian_corne> It's weird that this is still an issue
[22:11] <yofel> well, it works mostly, only the text color seems to be hardcoded in webkit
[22:24] <gnomefreak> it worked ;)
[22:24] <gnomefreak> well not really
[22:29] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:30] <gnomefreak> instead of saving 100+ backgrounds it only saved the one that i had in use in .gconf
[22:42] <BUGabundo>  1400      0      0       1748K   2.5G   1.8G     0K     0K  45% nautilus
[22:42] <BUGabundo> did nautilus start leaking!?!?!
[22:43] <BUGabundo> sure tis a 4k images dir
[22:43] <BUGabundo> but still
[22:58] <Ian_corne> BUGabundo: it's all the tumbs probably
[22:58] <Ian_corne> go to another dir and check if it goes down
[22:59] <BUGabundo> now I'm the one afraid
[22:59] <BUGabundo> need it to finish
[23:17] <gnomefreak> ok my day is done ;)
[23:17] <gnomefreak> almost
[23:23] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: the daily DVD images are they alternate or live or does it matter? none tell me what installer it is
[23:24] <gnomefreak> example http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/dvd/current/
[23:24] <BUGabundo> both
[23:24] <gnomefreak> 1 dvd contains both?
[23:25]  * gnomefreak likeing this
[23:25] <BUGabundo> yes
[23:25] <BUGabundo> that's why I usually sync the DVDs and cdlive
[23:28] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: makes sence
[23:28] <gnomefreak> sense
[23:29]  * psusi loves being able to pick up his running root volume and move it to another disk on the fly
[23:31] <gnomefreak> ok now i think that covers today, smoke and see if i forgot anything that cant wait until tomorrow
[23:33] <ajmitch> sigh at NZ mirrors being ~2 weeks out of date
[23:34] <BUGabundo> ahahah ajmitch
[23:34] <BUGabundo> yeah that always happens
[23:34] <ajmitch> well, one of them is out of date
[23:35] <ajmitch> nz2.a.u.c seems ok
[23:35] <BUGabundo> that part of the world seems to lack some serious bw
[23:35] <Ian_corne> ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omh8Ito-05M
[23:35] <Ian_corne> lol
[23:35] <Ian_corne> oops
[23:36] <BUGabundo> Ian_corne: aaaaaah
[23:37] <BUGabundo> ahaha I'm still lauthing
[23:40] <gnomefreak> it seems the alt. isos are back up but they are still oversized. i suspect mon. or tues. they will be puylled off page again
[23:40]  * gnomefreak sees pattern :)
[23:46] <gnomefreak> damn