[00:53] i installed the meer cat just to try it out.. although xfce is pretty much unuseable due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/586012 but yeah expected of such a pre alpha quality [00:54] Launchpad bug 586012 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "[Maverick] XFCE system tray became unusable after libgtk upgrade" [High,Triaged] [00:56] maybe i will try out lucid in the mean time [00:57] sylon maybe try out gnome or kde? works fine for me [00:58] DrHalan: yea thats an option but not enough resources, maybe will try lxde [00:58] just saying. think those "small" DEs aren't maintained as good as Gnome for example [01:00] fair point but i have used kde and gnome in the past and my test pc doesnt have resources to run them, but yeah even on my main machine i use xfce [01:03] DrHalan: is it in a usable state mostly? like common apps, firefox/pidgin etc [01:03] yeah everything works fine [01:04] btw what are these pae kernels if i run 32bits [01:05] if you need more than 4GB of RAM you have to use those [01:05] because 32bit normally doesnt support more ram [01:09] what? so 32bit linux can support > 4GB with these kernels? [01:10] yep [01:10] assuming that your hardware can [01:12] and normally if your hardware can you can also run 64bit ^^ [01:15] i got a amd 64bit cpu but prefer using 32bit os [01:15] and i guess ill continue to use 32bit till i get more ram and mainstream drops 32bit [01:16] DrHalan: Although the reverse isn't true; e.g. this machine can only take 3GB RAM but can do 64bit [01:17] penguin42: yeah sure. [01:17] yea my laptop is limited to 4GB [01:17] sylon: what are you waitng for? the whole repository is compiled in 64-bit [01:18] DrHalan: well mainstream, yes i know theres 64bit repo but i use apps outside of the repo like flash plugin which is 32bit only and a few other things, i dont wanna use nspluginwrapper or whatever [01:19] there acutally is a 64bit flashplugin from adobe [01:19] use 64 bit flash [01:19] DrHalan: read news, they dropped it [01:19] i read it was discontiuned though... [01:19] still works [01:19] they had beta version, dropped for RTM [01:19] yeah well sucks... [01:20] i also like to use offfical firefox builds and not ubuntu ones, which only recently started to be 64bit nightlies for v4.0 in the future [01:20] mh i use chromium :P [01:21] sylon: what stops you [01:22] well i dont want to use it [01:22] unless i have to [01:22] from using offfical firefox builds and not ubuntu ones & [01:22] ? [01:23] oh that, i like to use the built in automatic updates, they are faster than ubuntu and in browser [01:23] we all use what we want - that's the freedom we have [01:24] yea i tried chromium, will come back to it when it was real ad blocking [01:24] "apt-get dist-upgrade" wants to remove xserver-xorg-video-all? [01:25] does ubuntu kernel now use tux-on-ice patches? [01:29] sylon: there is an improved hibernate? [01:29] looking up tuxonice right now [01:30] i been useing tux on ice for years, it used to be called suspend2 [01:31] oh and where exactly is the difference? [01:31] i dont know, the built in one has never worked as well as this for me [01:32] my current laptop has uptime of 100 days - cause i only ever hibernate it, never had this kind of stability with built in suspend [01:33] for me neither hibernate nor suspend does work [01:33] suspend kinda does but after i resume my wlan is really slow [01:34] hope the new kernel improves that [01:34] my wlan automatically connects on resume and everything works [01:34] seems like tux on ice is also supports graphical hibernate? [01:34] yeah here too but the connectivity is really low afterwards.. kinda strange === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [04:04] hello i need some orientations..... this friday i was designed to migrate an entire office from Windows to Ubuntu... that is cool... but they want the office working like windows authentication model... i mean active directory to save users and apply administrative templates.... and so forth.... give me some links or ideas to implement ubuntu in my office [04:16] is there an option in installer for brtfs ? [04:17] btrfs* [04:49] how borked is alpha 1? === joebob is now known as joebobas7 [07:06] Hi, I want to connect to another server using xdmcp, i tried tsclient and the option is disabled, looked for gdm and cannot find the option, how can I do that please? === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz === om26er_ is now known as om26er [10:09] there are a few bugs which are milstoned to a EOL versions resetting the target milestone is fine? [10:55] om26er: unless we are the team's admin or members it is better not to change milestones. you could ping the concerned team about the problem [10:56] om26er: and probably it was a question for -bugs ;) [10:57] oh ok, and I asked in the wrong channel :) === om26er_ is now known as om26er [11:31] morning [11:34] hi [11:55] great... there I'm searching for why plasma forgets my widgets after logout in kde 4.5 [11:55] turns out it doesn't [11:55] it just creates a new activity on every login and switches to that... === BUGabundo is now known as BUGa_vacations === BUGa_vacations is now known as BUGabundo_fewd [12:49] is there anohter upgrade to xorg 1.8 now? [12:59] aah wait lucid had 1.7 not 1.6 [12:59] willl maveric update to x.org 1.9 at some point then?` === matrixa1 is now known as Supersaiyan_IV === BUGabundo_fewd is now known as BUGa_vacations === BUGa_vacations is now known as BUGabundo_afk === BUGabundo_afk is now known as BUGa_vacantions [14:16] Yes [14:17] * BUGa_vacantions unsubs from https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/indicator-application/+bug/527458 [14:17] Launchpad bug 527458 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) "please include status messages/tooltips" [Wishlist,Won't fix] === matrixa1 is now known as Supersaiyan_IV [14:35] BUGa_vacantions, you don't give up on bugs [14:35] I sure do [14:36] I MUST clean my bug mail from worthless stuff [14:37] DrHalan: It will indeed, as per the announcement on the mailing list. [14:38] thanks arand [14:45] 1.8 still not working for me [14:45] also grub boots kernel 2.6.32 [14:45] 1.8 ruby you mean? [14:46] x.org 1.8 [14:49] oh [14:49] it works for me [15:32] omg http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_64bit.html [15:32] no more 64bits flash [15:32] for now [15:32] not-so-new news [15:32] not even for windows 7 [15:32] so i dunno [15:32] or is it? [15:33] No 64bits at all for any OS for now [15:33] I'm not too worried [15:36] Hello, i just tried the Alpha 1 on a live USB stick, but there was no /dev/dvb/ folder.Is the support for mantis drivers removed from the kernel? [15:42] this plasma memory leak is getting annoying [15:42] 27063 yofel 20 0 2430m 1.5g 10m D 7 40.8 31:43.17 plasma-desktop [15:42] * yofel wonders what actually leaks memory there [15:43] !valgrind [15:43] bad bot [15:43] I know [15:44] but I'll first have to remove the widgets one by one to find the one that's broken, or if it's plasma itself [15:51] bbl [15:59] Is the support for mantis driver devices removed from the kernel in Maverick? === shadeslayer__ is now known as shadeslayer [16:13] Daijoubu: which driver exactly? the 'mantis' driver is there in 2.6.35. Not sure about the alpha1 disk as that has 2.6.34 [16:21] my laptop battery icond doesn't change the "fullness" anymmore [16:21] it just shows full [16:21] and i have to click to see how many minutes left [16:56] anyone have a workaround for fglrx and linux 2.6.35? [18:06] my xorg uses a lot of cpu after some time. am i the only one? [18:07] everything gets really sluggish too [18:12] My computer has been completely freezing recently, but I haven't found anything on past dmesg logs about it. Is there someway to capture some information before one of them happens? [18:12] ripps: ati? [18:12] Ian_corne: yes [18:12] lucid? [18:12] radeon 9600 pro, maverick [18:13] I've changed my lucid box to the OS driver because it kept locking up [18:13] it works really good [18:13] Ian_corne: I'm not using fglrx, it doesn't support my card [18:13] oh [18:13] well, sorry no experience with locking up on maverick with ati [18:13] only got my nvidia and intel box to maverick so far [18:14] it's not really locking up. It's like a complete system failure. my monitor turns off my keyboard's numlock light freezes and the harddrive light on desktop stops blinking [18:15] I've heard that there might be some agp issues with the recent radeon drm and drivers. [18:16] ouch [18:16] What i've had was just a freeze === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:36] Xorg 42 % cpu [18:36] wtf? [18:36] i'm using nvidia-current as driver, could that be the cause? [18:38] Did you do some upgrade? [18:38] s [18:38] to 1.8 [18:39] there's a lot of xserver-xorg packages kept back from updating [18:40] The following packages have unmet dependencies: xserver-xorg-core: Breaks: xserver-xorg-video-6 which is a virtual package. [18:40] The following actions will resolve these dependencies: [18:40] Remove the following packages: [18:40] nvidia-current [18:40] So i guess it could dirtify things [18:41] sucks [18:41] i could test nouveau though [18:48] could it be that firefox hogs up xorg somehow? [18:58] first thing I did when I installed lucid was completely blacklisting nouveau, then getting latest beta from nvidia [18:59] worked like a charm [18:59] why is everybody talking about lucid? meerkat is the next version [18:59] because meerkat also has nouveau as default [19:00] erm, nvidia-current will blacklist nouveau when you install it [19:00] and it works perfectly fine here (256) [19:00] what is 'broadcast preferences' supposed to be? (It doesn't start for me) [19:00] yofel, 256.29? [19:01] matrixa1: yes [19:01] the x-updates ppa has it [19:02] looks like from now on my life will become a tad bit easier [19:22] the nvidia-current in x-updates has a little problem though, the modaliases aren't getting extracted right because the format changed so it wont show up in jockey for most people [19:23] but if its installed already it upgrades fine and you can still install with a package manager if you just make sure you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf afterwards, sudo nvidia-xconfig if not [19:23] you mean X builds are done? [19:23] I can upgrade at will Sarvatt? [19:24] i dont think tseliot ever uploaded it to maverick :( [19:24] The following packages have been kept back: [19:24] xserver-xorg{a} xserver-xorg-core{a} xserver-xorg-input-evdev{a} xserver-xorg-input-synaptics{a} xserver-xorg-input-wacom xserver-xorg-video-apm{a} xserver-xorg-video-ark{a} xserver-xorg-video-chips{a} xserver-xorg-video-cirrus{a} xserver-xorg-video-fbdev{a} xserver-xorg-video-i128{a} xserver-xorg-video-intel{a} xserver-xorg-video-mach64{a} xserver-xorg-video-mga{a} xserver-xorg-video-neomagic{a} xserver-xorg-video-nv{a} xserver-xorg [19:24] {a} xserver-xorg-video-tseng{a} xserver-xorg-video-v4l{a} xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vmware{a} xserver-xorg-video-voodoo{a} [19:24] :( [19:25] all it needs is a no change rebuild, you can apt-get source nvidia-current, cd to the directory, dch -i to bump the version, and debuild -uc -us -b to make the debs [19:25] then install the debs and you can upgrade fine [19:26] ehehe [19:26] ill wait till aptitude says its ok [19:27] you guys are going to make it direct upload right? [19:27] actually no you can't do what I just said, you need to build against the newer xserver :) [19:27] i can't upload stuff [19:27] or i would have done it a week ago [19:28] why can't you do it ? [19:28] lost privs to archive? [19:29] never had it :) [19:30] ahh [19:30] start working for it :) [19:30] with package only permitions you should be fine [19:33] *sigh* I want to try out Unity, but it hoplessly crashes in Ubuntu. There seems to be a problem deep in glib or gtk. [19:59] ripps, whats the error you are getting that makes you believe that the problem is in glib/gtk? [20:00] gord: backtrace led to glib. Check out #592920 [20:00] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/592920 [20:00] Launchpad bug 592920 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity crashes during startup" [Undecided,New] [20:00] !info unity [20:01] unity (source: unity): Unity Interface for Ubuntu Netbook Edition. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.8-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 79 kB, installed size 776 kB [20:02] actually no its a bad x window error. all the gtk warnings are indicators loading. could you attach the output of glxinfo to the bug as well? [20:04] gord: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50279359/glxinfo [20:08] ripps, looks like you don't have the GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two extension which iirc we require to run [20:08] ...okay... what can I do about it? [20:09] if your hardware supports the extension (if its old, it won't) then you could try installing the ati binary drivers [20:09] sorry amd drivers, its amd now not ati [20:09] gord: sorry, too old. radeon 9600 pro (rv350) [20:10] ripps, yeah sorry, thats fairly old. doubt it supports non power of two textures at all :( [20:11] that seems kinda dumb, unity should be capable on running older hardware. alot of people use r300-r500 ati cards [20:12] is there an option in installer to choose btrfs ? [20:13] ripps, unity is designed to run on netbooks not desktops. ala: we target the features that are offered to us by gpu's used in netbooks. we are not targeting older hardware sorry [20:13] * ripps goes to the corner an pouts [20:14] is it possible that a fork could be made that works with older hardware? There alot of cool features with it that I think would be great on desktops, not just netbooks [20:14] nouveau is crap, it does not support my 1920x1200 [20:15] better than -nv atleast [20:15] it worked with nv, but now i only have 1600x1200 [20:16] and second screen is blank (worked with nvidia-current) [20:16] curious, just noticed when I click on the button at the top-right to shutdown my maverick guest it draws a little red highlight around my terminal launcher on my panel - I'm sure there is a reason - it looks more deliberate than bug [20:17] penguin42: my pidgin launcher is highlighted too [20:18] curious isn't it [20:18] the monitor tool doesn't like my nouveau [20:18] * penguin42 disappears [20:18] how can i find out my current graphics driver? [20:19] hmm... it seems that it might be possible to work around the GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two in Gallium, by having it run through a softpipe. [20:25] knittl: check which one is used in Xorg.0.log [20:26] yofel: must be nouveau, because glxgears shows something :> [20:26] hrm, what do i need to install to have full nouveau? [20:27] right now i only get 1600x1200 [20:27] actually, yes. I see from someone testing r300g, That their mesa supports non_power_of_two. [20:27] and the right side of the screen is left! [20:28] dunno, IIRC you only need xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and libdrm-nouvau1 [20:28] hm, it still tries to load nvidia :-/ [20:28] knittl: deleted your xorg.conf? [20:28] yofel: yes [20:28] nouveau doesn't need one [20:28] moved it to xorg.conf.xinerama [20:29] then I don't get why it would use nvidia o.O [20:29] knittl, if you put the horizsync/vertrefresh values in the xorg.conf you will get your native resolution [20:29] knittl: and you *removed* nvidia? [20:29] xorg log says »can't load module nvidia« [20:29] yofel: yes, i deleted it to be able to update all packages [20:29] odd then [20:30] i'll reinstall nouveau then try to kill x and restart it [20:30] hm no, still weird [20:30] bjsnider: ehm ok, how can i get a xorg.conf back without using the .xinerama version for nvidia? [20:31] and how do i know the values for hsync and vrefresh [20:33] i mean, i could just install nvidia-current again and remove all xserver-xorg-video-* packages :D [20:33] no need to remove them, just install nvidia-current and reboot [20:34] yofel: installing nvidia-current removes them [20:34] dependency issues ^^ [20:34] and do i have to reboot? isn't it enough to restart X? [20:34] maybe that's the only problem [20:34] PLEASE use jockey to do that [20:34] don't use apt [20:35] you need to downgrade [20:35] the current package needs a nochange rebuild [20:35] at least from what I recall of what Sarvatt sair [20:35] *said [20:36] Is support for mantis driver devices removed from the kernel of Maverick ? [20:36] BUGabundo: jockey never worked reliably for me [20:36] it should [20:36] did you file bugs for it ? [20:36] BUGabundo: so how long will it take for the packages to be updated [20:36] i'll try a system reboot [20:37] not an x restart [20:37] ask him [20:37] or better [20:37] tseliot [20:37] apt worked reasonably well for me in the past [20:37] at least to install nvidia-current [20:37] and jockey was broken a lot when the -modaliases packages were out of date [20:37] * knittl rebooting [20:38] No one knows? [20:38] knittl: the new nvidia-current package in the x-updates ppa (256.29) won't remove them [20:39] Daijoubu: that's a bit hard to say, the driver is there, maybe some fw issue? got the kernel log? [20:40] Daijoubu: and did you try a daily build now or still just alpha1? [20:40] yofel no i used Live USb stick.If the driver is active there is a /dev/dvb/ folder, but there isn't such.If mantis is not removed it should work [20:41] yofel only Alpha1, i think that after updating on live usb, after reboot it erases any changes [20:42] if it's a persistent usb image it won't forget all updates, but I don't think you can upgrade the kernel [20:42] !daily [20:42] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [20:42] thank si will try that [20:43] knittl, used to be sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg would get you a plain xorg.conf. may be it still does [20:43] yofel is there any contious effort for detecting/installing the dvb devices with the mantis driver in the kernel, or additional steps are required to make things work? [20:44] no idea [20:44] yofel which link should i use?! [20:46] the second one, daily-live [20:46] anyone else have flash problems in google-chrome-unstable ? [20:47] it's annoying, flash doesn't work in google-chrome-unstable, does work in firefox [20:47] and it does work in google-chrome-unstable on my other box [20:48] purge and reinstall didn't fix it [20:49] ok, looks way better now [20:49] fsck took a while to run [20:50] now let's try the second screen [20:50] OH MY [20:50] woooot [20:50] i plugged it in and it came to life [20:50] in full resolution [20:50] wtf, now this is great [20:50] knittl: calm down :) [20:50] no, this is incredible [20:51] Ian_corne: chromium from daily ppa works fine with latest flash [20:51] it does die a lot [20:52] I'm gonna check that now [20:52] what version of flash? [20:52] and google-chrome-unstable also has the latest flash [20:52] i can even rotate the screen. woohooo [20:52] but it just shows a grey box [20:52] bjsnider: the new one [20:52] 10.1 [20:53] knittl: rotaion on nvidia? [20:53] that's a first [20:53] BUGabundo: no, nouveau [20:53] ahh [20:53] yeah that works [20:53] just don't try any fancy 3Ds [20:53] that driver now works better than nvidia-current [20:53] 1300 frames in 5 seconds seem ok [20:53] what?!!! [20:53] ah, no it does not [20:53] no it doesn't [20:53] don't make me like wanna try it [20:53] you won't get descent stuff in google earth either :p [20:54] BUGabundo: that's only glxgears [20:54] $ glxgears -fullscreen [20:54] 1084 frames in 5.0 seconds [20:54] even ttys are in a beautiful small resolution now [20:54] 90fps in compiz benchmark [20:55] yeah, ttys look nicer [20:55] and boot is faster [20:55] 28 frames in 5.2 seconds :D [20:55] but fullscreen here is 3840x1200 [20:56] eheheheeheheheh [20:56] maximized window on 1920x1200 is 55 frames [20:56] HOLLYYYY MACARONI [20:56] $ glxgears -fullscreen [20:56] 269 frames in 5.0 seconds [20:56] OHYEAH [20:56] Ian_corne: ppooooorrrr you [20:56] not too fast, but i okey :D [20:56] Intel baby! [20:56] hahahahaha [20:56] yofel: how about you on kde? [20:57] I remember someone in here having a SLI [20:57] who was it ? [20:57] hm, blender on both screens lags a bit, but it's still usable for me [20:58] haha, this is bigtime fun [20:58] Haven't got any updates for a day or so, is there some arbitrary freeze going on or if my apt misbehaving? [20:59] there's updates [20:59] in the x thingy [20:59] but it's breaking :p [21:00] the only stupid thing with 1920x1200 + 1920x1080 is, that i can move my mouse outside the monitor on the smaller one [21:00] yeah [21:01] yep [21:01] yar [21:01] but you can also place them exactly as IRL [21:01] not just virtually side by side [21:01] overlaping is a dope [21:01] yes, but that doesn't change stuff ^^ [21:01] i could still move outside [21:02] and they are virtually placed the exact same way === TheImp is now known as TheInfinity [21:02] bottom edge aligned, top edge not [21:02] I think I pulled in most of x a day ago, since then, nuffink. [21:03] muahhaa, i never thought nouveau will work so well [21:04] it works well for 2d [21:04] it even works well enough for 3d [21:04] I don' tknow how it peforms for full hd vids for example [21:04] oh, i could test [21:04] need to know it anyway [21:05] where's the sintel trailer? [21:05] knittl: Wha? Even compositing? [21:05] arand: i use plain metacity [21:05] ah [21:05] compositing works with noveau [21:06] sintel trailer in 1080p plays without problems [21:06] Ian_corne: Reasonable as well? [21:06] cpu usage between 30 and 60 % [21:06] arand: I'm sorry i can't really give a clear answer [21:06] my box is so old [21:06] i'm happy if it runs anything :D [21:07] :) [21:09] knittl: big buck bunny ? [21:09] that's on my external drive [21:09] sintel trailer is in my downloads folder [21:15] heh [21:15] I always have BBB on hand :) [21:16] hehe [21:16] BBB? [21:16] big buck bunny [21:17] new sintel renders are just awesome [21:17] stunning [21:19] yofel, well no dev/dvb/ folder again, what long file should i look at or pastebin? o-o [21:20] *log [21:32] BUGabundo: chromium does work [21:32] it annoys me :( [21:32] Daijoubu: does dmesg mention the driver? [21:32] Ian_corne: use it instead [21:32] blobs suck anyway [21:33] what does google-chrome have as advantage? [21:33] knittl: about compositing, it does work here, but about half of my kwin effects don't work [21:33] Ian_corne: nothing ? [21:34] ok :p [21:34] but better than nothing at least [21:34] yofel: i only used kwin once, when metacity was broken [21:34] i hated it :D [21:34] BUGabundo: the icon is yellow/red :p [21:34] well, kwin is KDE, either you love or you hate it :P [21:34] instead of blue white [21:34] Ian_corne: otoh chromium builds from fta are done to match each release of ubuntu, you do have some limited support [21:35] works nicer with flash, codecs, etc [21:35] yofel: i'm on the hate side ;) [21:35] AND no phone home :) [21:35] heh [21:35] although some apps are too simple in gnome [21:35] I like blue :D [21:35] well, I think compiz won't work perfectly too with nouveau, but most things should work [21:36] BUGabundo: I don't mind phone home [21:36] unlike others, I like targeted adds [21:36] its not that [21:36] if I'm to view ads anyways [21:36] you still get those [21:36] wait... what ads? [21:36] I don't run adblock unless it blocks the site from viewing correctly [21:40]