| CynthiaG | looks like the latest librsvg2-2 introduced a regression, I see bad rendering in my Lucid VM | 00:19 |
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| CynthiaG | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/Looce/img-launchpad/ubuntu1004-badrendering.png | 00:21 |
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| apachelogger | LucidFox: seems like a likely enough thing to happen ^^ | 08:54 |
| ikorm | I would like to know if anyone is up to date with ati drivers on ubuntu. Proprietary ones | 13:41 |
| ikorm | They keep freezing my laptop, and a lot of people have troubles with them on ubuntu. | 13:41 |
| ikorm | Where should I adress this, here or do I need to take it to Ati website? | 13:41 |
| Gryllida | ikorm: !ATI <ubottu> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto This guide and its subpages describe how to install the proprietary binary/restricted drivers provided by video card manufacturers. | 13:45 |
| Gryllida | ikorm: I think take to ATI support, not to here. | 13:45 |
| Gryllida | ikorm: unless it is a request to update a driver in the repo | 13:46 |
| rlameiro | anyone in here worked with python-apt? | 13:49 |
| rlameiro | i needex to know how to add a ppa with it | 13:50 |
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| froud | Hi everyone. where is the file that holds the setting for session type GNOME | BLACKBOX. I want to be able to edit this setting via bash shell script, not via the login screen session drop list. | 14:34 |
| Q-FUNK | doko: could you check something with gas? | 15:08 |
| Q-FUNK | doko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/binutils/+bug/587186 | 15:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 587186 in gcc-4.4 (Ubuntu) "libc6 upgrade fails: illegal instruction" [High,Triaged] | 15:09 |
| geser | rlameiro: you could look how apt-add-repository does it. | 15:19 |
| rlameiro | thanks geser, i will | 15:24 |
| fmuellner | my apologies if this is not the appropriate channel for these kinds of questions | 15:53 |
| fmuellner | i'm looking for the most graceful manner to disable app-indicators in order to resolve https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621382 | 15:54 |
| ubottu | Gnome bug 621382 in general "Ubuntu Lucid - indicators need to be killed before starting gnome-shell" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 15:54 |
| fmuellner | killing seems like a pretty rude solution - i'm not using ubuntu myself, so any help would be very much appreciated | 15:54 |
| kklimonda | fmuellner: killing indicator-application-service | 16:42 |
| kklimonda | should be enough | 16:42 |
| fmuellner | kklimonda: thanks! | 16:42 |
| fmuellner | kklimonda: would that process be restarted with gnome-panel? | 16:43 |
| kklimonda | fmuellner: hmm.. let me see. | 16:44 |
| kklimonda | fmuellner: yes, killing gnome-panel, then killing indicator-application-service and starting gnome-panel again does restart indicator-application-service itself. | 16:45 |
| fmuellner | kklimonda: cool, thanks a lot! | 16:45 |
| BlackZ | pitti: are you working to the cdbs merge? | 17:32 |
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| jdong | Hmph. I wish there existed a timezone aware ssh hack :) | 19:53 |
| jdong | e.g. Based on source IP geolocation set the timezone in the session | 19:53 |
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| un214 | it's time for plymouth to go. | 21:13 |
| un214 | it can't even do its job without specific drivers anymore | 21:14 |
| hyperair | o rly? | 21:14 |
| un214 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/593408 | 21:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 593408 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "nothing is visible on screen during boot sequence with fbcon disabled -- really annoying when the system decided to run a periodic fsck" [Undecided,New] | 21:14 |
| un214 | fbcon has always been broke on this system so don't get any bright ideas | 21:15 |
| hyperair | so get it fixed. | 21:16 |
| hyperair | fbcon isn't a "specific driver" | 21:16 |
| hyperair | it's a generic one. | 21:16 |
| hyperair | fyi, i'm not using nouveau on my desktop, and it displays the terrible looking lowres splash, but still works. | 21:17 |
| un214 | I got tired of the crashes | 21:17 |
| un214 | fbcon-vesa is misaligned | 21:18 |
| CynthiaG | fbcon-vesa is probably displaying at 640x480 | 21:18 |
| hyperair | how about filing a real bug report about that? i'm sure the nouveau people will like more information. | 21:18 |
| CynthiaG | which you can perform a (separate) monitor auto-adjustment for | 21:18 |
| un214 | monitor auto-adjust isn't going to work in this case | 21:18 |
| hyperair | what you're saying is that "X technology doesn't work without Y technology, which should work for everyone, but due to a few bugs can't work for me. so let's remove X technology instead of fixing Y technology" | 21:19 |
| hyperair | i'm sure you understand what's wrong with what i just highlighted. | 21:19 |
| CynthiaG | nouveau is in active development yes, and they need hardware dumps | 21:19 |
| jdong_ | hyperair: I think "plymouth uses fbcon which is more than the old bootsys that just needed a VGA text console, which causes regressions" is fairly valid of a complaint. | 21:19 |
| jdong_ | of course, "we should remove plymouth" isn't a solution | 21:20 |
| un214 | well since the hardware is actually bad | 21:20 |
| un214 | nouveau isn't going to be able to fix it | 21:20 |
| CynthiaG | Does Nouveau work while in X/GNOME/whatever? | 21:20 |
| un214 | it's unstable | 21:20 |
| CynthiaG | If the hardware is bad... what are the Nouveau guys to do about it, in software? | 21:21 |
| CynthiaG | *boggles* | 21:21 |
| hyperair | jdong_: oh how i wish we can take such an outlook on everything new on ubuntu that causese regressions. but yes i agree. | 21:21 |
| un214 | the motherboard designers put two devices on the same address and wrote special windows drivers to make it work | 21:21 |
| hyperair | jdong_: in particular, i'm annoyed that plymouth doesn't give me my usual verbose initialization messages. | 21:22 |
| CynthiaG | the nouveau project can implement that split too, even if not right now | 21:22 |
| un214 | I can't afford to wait | 21:22 |
| un214 | seriously I have so few services that I don't need the parallel boot sequence | 21:23 |
| un214 | how hard would it be to check [ -x /sbin/plymouthd] || run each boot service attached to the console in turn | 21:23 |
| * CynthiaG thinks she misunderstands Plymouth versus Upstart, or that you do | 21:24 | |
| CynthiaG | Plymouth is just the splash screen that messages get written onto, and Upstart handles the parallel booting... at least Upstart did that in Karmic | 21:24 |
| un214 | CynthiaG: In karmic that was right | 21:24 |
| un214 | in lucid it doesn't seem to be | 21:24 |
| hyperair | can't you apt-get purge plymouth, though? | 21:25 |
| un214 | I tried. | 21:25 |
| un214 | it wants to remove e2fsprogs | 21:25 |
| hyperair | huh | 21:26 |
| CynthiaG | e2fsprogs depends on plymouth? :| | 21:26 |
| CynthiaG | sounds like a very ugly kludge | 21:26 |
| hyperair | e2fsprogs doesn't depend on plymouth | 21:27 |
| hyperair | however, mountall does | 21:27 |
| CynthiaG | Ah | 21:27 |
| un214 | e2fsprogs depends on sysvinit-tools which depends on upstart which depends on plymouth | 21:27 |
| hyperair | so the bug should be on mountall. | 21:27 |
| hyperair | er no | 21:28 |
| hyperair | upstart doesn't depend on plymouth | 21:28 |
| CynthiaG | Confusing dependency chain is confusing? :( | 21:28 |
| hyperair | upstart depends on mountall | 21:28 |
| hyperair | mountall depends on plymouth | 21:29 |
| hyperair | mountall is the buggy one | 21:29 |
| hyperair | it should function without plymouth | 21:29 |
| hyperair | so file a bug | 21:29 |
| CynthiaG | hyperair @ un214 or me? | 21:29 |
| hyperair | whoever | 21:29 |
| * hyperair isn't really interested in the issue. | 21:29 | |
| hyperair | whoever's interested, file a bug. | 21:30 |
| CynthiaG | I wouldn't be such a great source of information on the issue because I'm not having it :\ | 21:30 |
| hyperair | heh | 21:30 |
| un214 | CynthiaG: you can force the issue by adding alias fbcon off to /etc/modprobe.conf | 21:30 |
| hyperair | or blacklist fbcon | 21:31 |
| CynthiaG | un214: even in a VM, you think? | 21:31 |
| CynthiaG | a VM of the LiveCD | 21:31 |
| un214 | hyperair: I have another bug for blacklist fbcon doesn't work | 21:31 |
| hyperair | huh | 21:31 |
| un214 | believe me I tried that one | 21:31 |
| hyperair | weird. | 21:31 |
| CynthiaG | actually, never mind, I've just created a virtual hard drive and will try what you say | 21:33 |
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| un214 | I was talking to some others earlier and they say the dependency is reall -- w/o plymouth no boot program can talk to the console | 21:43 |
| un214 | I really wish they had bolted the parallel init on top of sysvinit -- it'd make it a lot easier for me to find out what scripts run at boot time in what order | 21:50 |
| jdong_ | what order... in a parallel init system? :) | 21:52 |
| psusi | that statement hurts my head | 21:53 |
| un214 | I need to know the critical ones bucause if you can't fix this I get to replace all the bootscripts | 21:54 |
| psusi | like saying I want different process contexts, but they all share the same memory | 21:54 |
| un214 | besides, there exists a partial order (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topsort) | 21:55 |
| psusi | the only ordering is between jobs that depend on each other... which you can see in the init script | 21:55 |
| CynthiaG | un214: creating /etc/modprobe.conf with the line "alias fbcon off" in it does absolutely nothing | 21:56 |
| un214 | oh that's right they moved it | 21:56 |
| CynthiaG | create a file in /etc/modprobe.d instead? | 21:56 |
| un214 | I actually ended up adding it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf | 21:56 |
| jdong_ | psusi: don't say depend on each other or keybuk is gonna come in here screaming at you ;-) | 21:56 |
| psusi | jdong, hey... care to sponsor the defrag package? ;) | 21:56 |
| jdong_ | psusi: whoa, where's this defrag package?? | 21:57 |
| un214 | jdond_: there is such a thing as co-depends | 21:57 |
| psusi | lol... it may not be 100% accurate, but still a useful generalization concept ;) | 21:57 |
| jdong_ | un214: I'm not arguing with that, it's not proper terminology for Upstart :) | 21:57 |
| jdong_ | but yes, you can do a topological sort by Upstart events :) | 21:57 |
| psusi | jdong, didn't see my post the other day to the motu mailing list? launchpad.net/e2defrag is the project.... has link to bzr repo and source tarball for the release I made the other day... binary build in my ppa | 21:58 |
| jdong_ | I used to have a script that did that | 21:58 |
| jdong_ | psusi: neeeeat; no unfortunately I've been swamped with work lately | 21:58 |
| psusi | and I've even tested it on up to 2tb disks | 21:58 |
| jdong_ | sweet | 21:58 |
| psusi | made some changes to allow that without needing 6gb of ram | 21:58 |
| CynthiaG | un214: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf +alias fbcon off still does absolutely nothing for me, in the VM | 21:59 |
| un214 | CynthiaG: did you run update-initramfs afterwords | 21:59 |
| psusi | and in the process ran into a kernel bug... I was trying to go over 2tb and found that lvm snapshots silently wrap around at 2tb | 21:59 |
| CynthiaG | un214: oh, no I didn't | 21:59 |
| CynthiaG | I'll do that | 21:59 |
| psusi | you can use snapshots of a zero target to create a virtual disk of huge size with a smaller backing store... was going to use that to try making a 4tb disk to defrag, but it's all hosed up because of the wraparound | 22:00 |
| CynthiaG | aha un214, now it did something! the boot screen was green, and I can see absolutely nothing instead of the login screen | 22:02 |
| un214 | ok you hit the situation but not the bug | 22:02 |
| psusi | that reminds me... I need to poke Keybuck about merging my ureadahead changes | 22:02 |
| un214 | hit Alt-F1 to get login | 22:02 |
| CynthiaG | I heard the drum-like thing that serves as the login ready indication | 22:02 |
| CynthiaG | Ubuntu 10.04 LTS abra tty1 || abra login: | 22:02 |
| un214 | somehow I got that green screen broken | 22:02 |
| psusi | and I still haven't heard from Ted about my e2fsck patch.... | 22:02 |
| CynthiaG | that's what virtual terminal 1 says | 22:03 |
| un214 | CynthiaG: my bug is somehow I'm no longer getting the green screen | 22:03 |
| CynthiaG | hmm | 22:03 |
| CynthiaG | What are you getting instead? | 22:04 |
| un214 | blackness until login prompt | 22:04 |
| CynthiaG | well, in any case, it's not the Ubuntu logo and the five circles | 22:04 |
| CynthiaG | which is to be expected since blacklisting fbcon | 22:04 |
| un214 | I'll bet that if I got fsck to ask me any questions during boot it hangs forever | 22:05 |
| CynthiaG | However, I only get a login prompt for GNOME (vt7) after I do like you said and switch to vt1 | 22:05 |
| un214 | I run KDE and don't have the problem | 22:05 |
| un214 | (*dm login not working) | 22:06 |
| CynthiaG | it would probably hang forever if fsck needed to ask you anything, yes | 22:06 |
| CynthiaG | but I think the on-boot fsck is non-interactive | 22:06 |
| CynthiaG | until it needs to boot you to a maintenance shell, that is. And then I don't know what it does, but it should switch to a sane terminal | 22:06 |
| un214 | CynthiaG: last I checked maintenance boot doesn't use plymouth | 22:07 |
| CynthiaG | I don't mean a maintenance boot (single-user), I mean fsck having unrecoverable errors and throwing you into a maintenance shell from a normal boot :) | 22:08 |
| un214 | who knows what that's gonna do | 22:08 |
| CynthiaG | Errors such as "mount time in the future" from Karmic | 22:08 |
| un214 | My money's on wrong console acrtive | 22:08 |
| CynthiaG | Those threw me to a maintenance shell during the alphas | 22:09 |
| un214 | that shouldn't be an error -- it means the system clock is off until it can sync to network | 22:09 |
| CynthiaG | I know, but they were still considered unrecoverable in Karmic | 22:09 |
| un214 | ewww | 22:10 |
| CynthiaG | Aye | 22:10 |
| CynthiaG | Off-topic fun fact: Apparently a Lucid install needs to read 157 MB of data between boot and the GNOME desktop. | 22:13 |
| un214 | I'm gonna play a hunch and see if I get usable feedback with chmod -x plymouth | 22:15 |
| un214 | test will take awhile | 22:16 |
| jdong_ | what does marking plymouth non-executable do? | 22:19 |
| CynthiaG | prevents it from being run, without necessarily removing the package | 22:20 |
| CynthiaG | because removing plymouth the package would also delete e2fsprogs because of a dependency | 22:20 |
| jdong_ | and how will that help him see messages that otherwise plymouth is unable to print?? | 22:22 |
| CynthiaG | s/he is testing a bug that is making plymouth unable to print things anyway | 22:23 |
| CynthiaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/593408 | 22:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 593408 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "nothing is visible on screen during boot sequence with fbcon disabled -- really annoying when the system decided to run a periodic fsck" [Undecided,New] | 22:23 |
| CynthiaG | and with fbcon enabled, it's apparently misaligned enough that still nothing is visible, or something | 22:24 |
| jdong_ | well not allowing plymouth to run isn't gonna cause the boot system to print anything either | 22:24 |
| CynthiaG | *boggles* :) | 22:25 |
| CynthiaG | I wonder what that person wants to achieve now | 22:25 |
| un214 | well chmod -x /sbin/plymouthd resulted in the boot feedback showing up again | 22:26 |
| CynthiaG | In a console? | 22:27 |
| CynthiaG | Er. Text console. | 22:27 |
| un214 | yup, right on tty1 | 22:27 |
| jdong_ | I was unaware of such a fallback except for init scripts | 22:27 |
| CynthiaG | So that's what you wanted to achieve. | 22:27 |
| un214 | not quite | 22:27 |
| jdong_ | stuff like mountall IIRC directly called plymouth APIs to output | 22:27 |
| un214 | I've got to go find the options being used to call fsck and change them | 22:28 |
| psusi | CynthiaG, sounds about right... that's why I've been working on using defrag to pack all that data in order at the start of the disk so it gets pulled in faster ;) | 22:28 |
| CynthiaG | psusi: So e2defrag is also a boot-sequence optimiser? | 22:28 |
| jdong_ | CynthiaG: psusi is combining it with ureadahead to make it such :) | 22:28 |
| psusi | if you don't want a gui boot console, just pass "text" on the kernel command line and it will remain in 25 line mode | 22:28 |
| CynthiaG | Oho! That sounds awesome | 22:29 |
| un214 | jdong: looks like I get to go break mountall then | 22:29 |
| un214 | I'll bet he's the one calling fsck anyway | 22:29 |
| jdong_ | or probably just find the 9.04 version anyway :) | 22:29 |
| psusi | CynthiaG, not exactly... but you can give it a list of files that should be given priority when packing... such as a list pulled from the ureadahead pack file ;) | 22:29 |
| un214 | psusi: tried that doesn't work | 22:29 |
| CynthiaG | psusi: Sounds even more awesome :D | 22:30 |
| un214 | ugh goodbye mountall | 22:42 |
| un214 | replacing it with fsck -a && mount -a | 22:43 |
| psusi | you mean fsck -p | 22:43 |
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| un214 | no actually I mean fsck -A | 22:43 |
| psusi | boot time fsck is run in prone mode... not to mention that the rest of the system won't boot without mountall | 22:44 |
| psusi | s/prone/prune | 22:44 |
| un214 | preen | 22:44 |
| psusi | err, yea, that one ;) | 22:44 |
| psusi | shit... I'm getting old. | 22:44 |
| un214 | you want to fix mountall to not depend on plymouth? | 22:44 |
| psusi | no | 22:45 |
| un214 | remember, plymouth is broken for me | 22:45 |
| psusi | you should probably fix it then | 22:46 |
| un214 | can't determine why its broken | 22:47 |
| * psusi watches defrag do its thing | 22:47 | |
| lifeless | \o/ | 22:50 |
| un214 | anyway reading the plymouth source made the problem obvious | 22:57 |
| un214 | /bin/plymouth was damaged | 22:58 |
| un214 | I'm still probably gonna make a mountall-noplymouth as this thing's bloody stupid | 23:00 |
| psusi | cjwatson, have you seen my e2fsck patch in bug #556621? Wondering if you had any thoughts on it. | 23:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 556621 in e2fsprogs (Ubuntu) "lazy_itable_init not on by default" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/556621 | 23:05 |
| psusi | cjwatson, also could you possibly help move bug #568050 along by uploading the fix to lucid-proposed? This was a serious regression that prevents installation for effected users so I'd like to see it make it in for the 10.04.1 respin | 23:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 568050 in parted (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 10.04 can't create partition on fakeraid" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/568050 | 23:10 |
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