| lfaraone | Is there any real restriction beyond "we can distribute the binary legally" with software in multiverse? Can binary-only software be distributed this way? | 00:21 |
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| JanC | lfaraone: as long as there are no restrictions about distributing and (very important!) redistributing, that's the only restrictions AFAIK | 00:36 |
| JanC | for example Adobe's flash plugin doesn't allow re-distribution, so it can't go into multiverse as is | 00:38 |
| lfaraone | JanC: okay. how do we evaluate SRUs for binary-only software in multiverse? If upstream or someone with access to the source provides a new binary, we can't audit that they followed the SRU criteria, right? | 01:17 |
| JanC | lfaraone: I suppose you'd have to rely on their word, which is exactly why open source software is preferred... | 01:24 |
| JanC | and I have no idea if there is any official process for that currently | 01:25 |
| lfaraone | JanC: okay, thanks. | 01:32 |
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| paultag | Hey MOTU. I'm looking to practice debian-izing a small app that I wrote. It's in python. What should I be doing to make my debianizing life easy down the road ( only thing I can think of is build system, but I'm sure there is more ) | 03:57 |
| paultag | and by debianizing, I mean rolling it into a .deb, this is Ubuntu only ( a small app for an Ubuntu team ) | 03:58 |
| paultag | not that that matters :) | 03:58 |
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| paultag | Anyone? Bueller? | 04:14 |
| micahg | paultag: are you packaging for the archive or for your own use? | 04:25 |
| paultag | micahg, PPA, I am not going to be guidelines strict. I get a lot of that upstream | 04:25 |
| micahg | paultag: ok, then we have a special channel for that: #ubuntu-packaging, but being the weekend, idk who's around, so patience is suggested | 04:26 |
| paultag | micahg, I don't quit freenode often :) | 04:26 |
| paultag | micahg, thanks :) | 04:26 |
| micahg | paultag: np | 04:26 |
| fabrice_sp | Hi. atlas is FTBFS because "Warning: In order to build Atlas under i386, you need the CPU extension sse3 available on your CPU" | 08:01 |
| fabrice_sp | is there any buildds that have sse3 capability? | 08:01 |
| fabrice_sp | or they are all virtualized? | 08:02 |
| tumbleweed | fabrice_sp: ran atlas on armel all night. It still loops | 08:02 |
| fabrice_sp | tumbleweed, thanks for trying :-) | 08:02 |
| tumbleweed | np | 08:02 |
| fabrice_sp | what is strange is that is doesn't seem to loop on Debian :-/ | 08:02 |
| fabrice_sp | bug in compiler? | 08:03 |
| tumbleweed | dunno, can't see anything obvious. But I'm off hiking this morning - will have a look later | 08:03 |
| fabrice_sp | good hiking then :-) | 08:06 |
| BlackZ | fabrice_sp: openturns merge finished, I'm building it right now | 10:58 |
| arand | Can the debian packaging be GPLv3 when something that is packaged (e.g. images sounds) are under a "only along with this software and no modification"-type of license? | 10:59 |
| BlackZ | arand: just specify in the debian/copyright file other licenses of the software | 11:04 |
| BlackZ | specifying the files | 11:04 |
| arand | Yea, There's a whole tonne of them, since there's different contributors etc. | 11:07 |
| arand | So the GPL only applies to the debian/ folder, regardless of what is packaged then? | 11:07 |
| BlackZ | arand: yes, and the other files with the GPL license applied | 11:08 |
| BlackZ | arand: you can follow http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/dep/web/deps/dep5.mdwn?op=file&rev=135 | 11:09 |
| arand | Oh, that's something to delve into alright.. | 11:12 |
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| EricBa | Please could someone revu my package at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=cortina | 12:40 |
| EricBa | i ment review | 12:41 |
| EricBa | hier kriegt man nie ne antwort oder? | 12:46 |
| geser | EricBa: most people are idle, especially on weekends. And to find reviewers is at all times hard. | 12:49 |
| EricBa | i tried many times befor | 12:50 |
| EricBa | many days | 12:50 |
| geser | you are not the only person who has trouble to find a reviewer as only a few MOTUs do reviews | 12:52 |
| fabrice_sp | EricBa, I'll have a look | 12:57 |
| fabrice_sp | but I see 6 uploads a day, I don't know if it's still stable enough | 12:57 |
| BlackZ | fabrice_sp: merge of openturns finished bug #593284 it builds! | 12:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 593284 in openturns (Ubuntu) "Please merge openturns 0.13.2-4 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/593284 | 12:58 |
| fabrice_sp | BlackZ, cool: I'll have a look later (I'm processing the sponsoring queue) | 12:58 |
| fabrice_sp | thanks ;-) | 12:58 |
| fabrice_sp | EricBa, here? | 12:59 |
| BlackZ | fabrice_sp: if you don't want to build it, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50262430/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.openturns_0.13.2-4ubuntu1~maverick1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz | 12:59 |
| BlackZ | the build will take around 1 hr | 12:59 |
| fabrice_sp | I know :-/ | 13:00 |
| EricBa | yes | 13:00 |
| fabrice_sp | I always build locally, to check the resulting deb file | 13:00 |
| fabrice_sp | why are all dependency with versions? | 13:00 |
| fabrice_sp | it will make harder backporting, excp if mandatory | 13:01 |
| EricBa | it needs that version | 13:01 |
| EricBa | ok pkg-config and dbus dont need a version | 13:03 |
| BlackZ | fabrice_sp: so you will build it locally ? | 13:04 |
| fabrice_sp | sorry: have to go. Will check later | 13:04 |
| fabrice_sp | BlackZ, yes | 13:04 |
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| ScottK | fabrice_sp: Even for i686 you can't assume sse2, so something needs to be done run time to detect if sse2 is present or not and not use it if it isn't. | 17:34 |
| fabrice_sp | ScottK, so what would be the fix for atlas in i386? | 17:47 |
| fabrice_sp | I can desactivate the detection of sse3, but I'm not sure the package will be usable | 17:48 |
| fabrice_sp | it compiles fine in amd64 | 17:48 |
| tumbleweed | Automatically Tuned Linear Algebra Software - that says it all :/ | 17:51 |
| tumbleweed | fabrice_sp: I've been looking at the armel build log, I'm not convinced that it wouldn't have eventually finished | 17:51 |
| fabrice_sp | so just slowness? | 17:51 |
| tumbleweed | very very slow. It keeps tuning things until it's happy, as far as I can tell | 17:51 |
| jpds | The arms are slow. | 17:52 |
| * tumbleweed is trying another build - a few days this time... | 17:52 | |
| tumbleweed | jpds: I gave it about 8 hrs | 17:52 |
| fabrice_sp | I've desactivated it in the last upload, so until someone complains that there is no armel build of atlas, it will stay that way | 17:54 |
| fabrice_sp | the worst part is that the i386 build failed because of missing sse3 instruction in the buildds... | 17:54 |
| fabrice_sp | so right now, atlas is broken | 17:56 |
| tumbleweed | hmm: from debian's build logs: | 17:56 |
| tumbleweed | Build needed 42:20:15, 216776k disc space | 17:56 |
| fabrice_sp | 42 hours?! not too bad :-) | 17:56 |
| tumbleweed | that'll be on real hardware though, probably a lot faster (and doesn't segfault like qemu) | 17:56 |
| fabrice_sp | the armel buildds in Ubuntu are real hardware or qemu? | 17:57 |
| * tumbleweed was going to ask the same thing | 17:57 | |
| fabrice_sp | :-) | 17:57 |
| BlackZ | fabrice_sp: Warning: In order to build Atlas under i386, you need the CPU extension sse3 available on your CPU | 17:58 |
| BlackZ | are you afraid to enable it? | 17:58 |
| tumbleweed | BlackZ: we can't require sse3 on i386 | 17:58 |
| fabrice_sp | BlackZ, and this is in the buildds, not in my computer ;-) | 17:58 |
| jpds | fabrice_sp: Real hardware. | 17:59 |
| fabrice_sp | BlackZ, it's detected with cpuinfo | 17:59 |
| fabrice_sp | jpds, thx | 17:59 |
| BlackZ | fabrice_sp: ahhh, hmm ... | 17:59 |
| tumbleweed | fabrice_sp: oh you mean it needs sse3 for building a version that doesn't require sse3? | 18:01 |
| fabrice_sp | tumbleweed, not sure about not requiringsse3 to run, but build requires it | 18:01 |
| fabrice_sp | I have to disable the sse3 detection, and upload to a ppa, to test | 18:01 |
| fabrice_sp | BlackZ, your comment in Bug 589120 means that it can be a sync? | 18:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 589120 in osmo (Ubuntu) "Please merge osmo 0.2.10-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/589120 | 18:03 |
| BlackZ | fabrice_sp: no, there's another change | 18:04 |
| fabrice_sp | ok: I've seen so many nug reports this afternoon that I don't remember each of them :-) | 18:04 |
| BlackZ | fabrice_sp: check in the changelog file | 18:05 |
| fabrice_sp | ok | 18:05 |
| fabrice_sp | about atlas: it build sse3 packages: libatlas3gf-sse3 | 18:06 |
| tumbleweed | ah right. and it probably wants to test them so it can tune | 18:08 |
| fabrice_sp | exactly | 18:08 |
| tumbleweed | time for canonical to upgrade the buildd farm :) | 18:08 |
| fabrice_sp | hmm, my guess is that I will desactivate the optimized version :-D | 18:08 |
| jpds | tumbleweed: There's no better armel hardware to upgrade to. | 18:10 |
| tumbleweed | jpds: no I mean sse3 | 18:10 |
| * jpds looks at wikipedia. | 18:10 | |
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| ScottK | fabrice_sp: sse2 detection needs to be done at run time. | 18:21 |
| ScottK | I'm not sure what needs to be done to achieve that. | 18:21 |
| tumbleweed | ScottK: this is for a -sse3 package | 18:28 |
| ScottK | Oh. | 18:28 |
| ScottK | Ignore me then. | 18:28 |
| * fabrice_sp has just uploaded a package that deltes all sse3 packages and 'downgrade' builds to sse2 | 18:36 | |
| fabrice_sp | BlackZ, why the second hcnage is still required? | 18:38 |
| fabrice_sp | IIRC, -DGTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED is used to avoid error on deprecated methods | 18:39 |
| fabrice_sp | anyone can confirm that? | 18:40 |
| BlackZ | fabrice_sp: I think to allow to package | 18:41 |
| BlackZ | why drop it? | 18:41 |
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| fabrice_sp | It seems that the comment is broken :-) | 18:47 |
| fabrice_sp | BlackZ, and this would allow us to sync the package ;-) | 18:48 |
| fabrice_sp | no bug is referenced, so it's hard to find why it has been changed | 18:48 |
| BlackZ | fabrice_sp: then feel free to rename the bug and delete the patch | 18:48 |
| BlackZ | I can't right now | 18:49 |
| fabrice_sp | if I were sure, I would have done it already :-) | 18:49 |
| fabrice_sp | I'll try to build 0.2.8-1ubuntu1 in lucid, to see if it FTBFS | 18:50 |
| fabrice_sp | BlackZ, 0.2.8-1ubuntu1 FTBFS in lucid, so that would explain the fix | 18:55 |
| fabrice_sp | I'll convert the bug to a sync request and ack it | 18:55 |
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| dupondje | If something is ftbfs on armel, can we somewhere retry to build it to see if it build now ? | 19:08 |
| tumbleweed | dupondje: on your own qemu | 19:08 |
| dupondje | no other way ? | 19:09 |
| * tumbleweed has one set up if you want me to test for you | 19:09 | |
| dupondje | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/loop-aes-utils/2.16.2-1/+build/1764607 => is quit a strange error :s | 19:09 |
| tumbleweed | that looks like a compiler bug | 19:10 |
| dupondje | gcc is upgraded | 19:11 |
| dupondje | so maby it works now | 19:11 |
| tumbleweed | ok, I'll test | 19:11 |
| tumbleweed | yay, qemu segfault :) | 19:18 |
| dupondje | lol | 19:19 |
| tumbleweed | dupondje: building (it probably won't segfault again until its done) | 19:20 |
| dupondje | what was wrong ? :) | 19:21 |
| tumbleweed | IO seems to cause it. it aften segfaults soon after running aptitude | 19:21 |
| dupondje | I hate it when merges reported are lagging :) | 19:23 |
| dupondje | accept them :D | 19:23 |
| dupondje | its still building ? ;) | 19:40 |
| dupondje | https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html => what are the different colors btw ? :) | 19:40 |
| tumbleweed | dupondje: yes, it's slow | 19:40 |
| tumbleweed | hah. I had to read the source to answer that for myself | 19:41 |
| tumbleweed | the colours are for debian priorities | 19:41 |
| tumbleweed | it really should say at the top "ordered by by priority" | 19:41 |
| tumbleweed | dupondje: same build error | 19:50 |
| dupondje | crap :( | 19:53 |
| anoteng | I'd like a review of http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/transgui . This is an application I and many others use daily, and I'd like to see it included in Ubuntu. I'm sure the pro's will find a lot of things for me to fix in the package… bug #332067 | 20:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 332067 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] transmission-remote-gui" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332067 | 20:24 |
| fabrice_sp | anoteng, version should be 0ubuntu1, target maverick | 20:35 |
| fabrice_sp | run update-maintainer to use latest value for maintainer | 20:36 |
| Rhonda | Alright. wesnoth-1.8 v 1.8.2 hit lenny-backports earlier than wesnoth-1.8 v 1.8 did hit karmic-backports. %-) | 20:36 |
| arand | Is it possible to manage binary changes in the diff.gz? e.g. I'm adding an image, am I needed to stick it in the .orig.? (I'm not packaging with policy in mind..) | 20:45 |
| Rhonda | arand: With source format 3.0 (quilt) it's possible to manage binary changes. | 20:50 |
| Rhonda | Because it will be .debian.tar.gz instead of .diff.gz | 20:50 |
| arand | Ah, ok, I'm not using 3.0 then I guess.. Well making an .xpm of the image works as my quickfix :/ | 20:52 |
| tumbleweed | arand: that are base64 | 20:52 |
| tumbleweed | or | 20:52 |
| BlackZ | fabrice_sp: could you look at bug #593416 ? | 21:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 593416 in qemu (Ubuntu) "Please merge qemu 0.12.4+dfsg-2 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/593416 | 21:19 |
| fabrice_sp | BlackZ, strange enough: there is no qemu in maverick :-/ | 21:21 |
| fabrice_sp | from karmic: Deleted in karmic-release on 2009-09-24 (Reason: merged into qemu-kvm, | 21:22 |
| BlackZ | hmm, but it provides the 'qemu' package | 21:24 |
| BlackZ | (seems the old one) | 21:24 |
| fabrice_sp | so sorry: it seems that you worked on a dead-end merge | 21:24 |
| fabrice_sp | yeah: the qemu package is the old one | 21:24 |
| BlackZ | ok, marking as invalid | 21:24 |
| fabrice_sp | seems so | 21:24 |
| BlackZ | please, unsubrscribe U-S | 21:24 |
| fabrice_sp | I found strange qemu in universe | 21:25 |
| fabrice_sp | done | 21:25 |
| BlackZ | fabrice_sp: so you could look at bug #590158 :P | 21:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 590158 in amsn (Ubuntu) "Please merge amsn 0.98.3-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/590158 | 21:28 |
| * fabrice_sp hates merges from -0ubuntu1 versions :-) | 21:31 | |
| fabrice_sp | I'll have a look tomorrow :-) | 21:32 |
| BlackZ | heh thanks fabrice_sp ! | 21:33 |
| fabrice_sp | yw! | 21:33 |
| fabrice_sp | thanks to you to work on that! | 21:33 |
| fabrice_sp | really | 21:33 |
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