[00:11] <Flannel> Howdy Jordan_U
[00:12] <Jordan_U> Hi, thanks for handling the trolls.
[00:28] <bazhang> already killed
[00:49] <hufx> ok bazhang whats up?
[00:49] <bazhang> hufx, you are ban evading again
[00:49] <bazhang> hufx, please exit #ubuntu
[00:50] <hufx> ? please explain    I was told 24hrs
[00:50] <bazhang> hufx, yes, to come here and discuss.
[00:50] <hufx> discuss?
[00:51] <bazhang> the removal of your ban
[00:52] <hufx> yea I understood   no L33T or Noobs references  for 24hrs
[00:52] <hufx> which I havent done!
[00:53] <bazhang> hufx, we had this discussion before. you need  to keep all offtopic chat in #ubuntu-offtopic and agree to the code of conduct and guidelines
[00:54] <bazhang> !coc | hufx
[00:54] <bazhang> !guidelines | hufx
[00:54] <bazhang> hufx, please take your time and read those.
[00:56] <hufx> bazhang: you want me to electronically sign the CoC?
[00:56] <hufx> bazhang: I cant remember that obversion
[00:57] <hufx> bazhang: I cant remember that *obversation
[00:57] <bazhang> hufx, just read the documents linked above please; and realize that #ubuntu is support only, chat is in #ubuntu-offtopic , and referring to people as Noobs,etc is not ever OK.
[00:58] <hufx> bazhang: but I agreed to the 24hr ban
[00:58] <hufx> bazhang: in so far as I hounered it
[00:58] <bazhang> hufx, it was not a 24hr ban. it was come back in 24hrs to discuss removal of your ban, and subsequent ban-evasion
[00:59] <hufx> bazhang: so am I stilled banned?
[01:00] <tsimpson> we don't automatically remove bans, we never set a "24 hour" ban, but request people wait 24 hours before discussing the ban
[01:02] <hufx> tsimpson: ok so Im not banned? or it need to be  discussed?
[01:02] <tsimpson> unless you came here, discussed the issue, and were told you could rejoin #ubuntu. you should consider yourself still banned
[01:04] <hufx> tsimpson: well I havent discussed any issues (told to read documents (which Ive done))
[01:05] <tsimpson> then you should continue to talk to bazhang :)
[01:06] <hufx> tsimpson: thats what I thought I was doing!
[01:07] <tsimpson> hufx: you were caught up in the "24hrs" thing, I wanted to clarify exactly what was meant by that so you know where you stand
[01:08] <hufx> tsimpson: but Its been more than 24hrs and I did keep away as advised
[01:08] <tsimpson> no, as I said, the ban was not for 24 hours, you were supposed to come back to discuss it in 24 hours
[01:09] <tsimpson> the ban does not get removed until it's discussed
[01:09] <hufx> tsimpson: and I didnt think I was doing anything wrong today
[01:09] <tsimpson> that's fine, that's why we are here talking about it now
[01:11] <hufx> ok I bow down humbly before all in repentance
[01:12]  * tsimpson pokes bazhang
[01:12] <hufx> oh come on!!
[01:14] <bazhang> sorry, was on the phone
[01:15] <hufx> bazhang: can I please be unbanned (grovel grovel)
[01:16] <bazhang> hufx, so we agree that all offtopic chat in #ubuntu-offtopic ? #ubuntu is support only? that you will follow the guidelines and code of conduct linked above?
[01:17] <hufx> bazhang: if there was a weighing system in place I would have been ok
[01:18] <bazhang> hufx, is that an unequivocal yes?
[01:18] <hufx> bazhang: yes I  agree again
[01:18] <bazhang> okay then.
[01:19] <hufx> bazhang: till next time :P
[01:19] <bazhang> hufx, you are unbanned.
[01:20] <hufx> bazhang: thanks (slightly begruding I might add)
[01:21] <bazhang> hufx, if there is nothing further, please don't idle in this channel, thanks
[01:21] <bazhang> tsimpson, thanks; sorry got a phone call in the middle of trying to resolve that
[01:22] <tsimpson> no problem :)
[02:08] <bazhang> so a kill by idoru is not a kline, apparently
[02:08] <marienz> it is
[02:09] <marienz> I just unset them really quickly if I'm actually around and they look at first glance to be accidental
[02:09] <bazhang> really? then dean_ is kline evading
[02:09] <bazhang> ah okay
[02:09] <bazhang> thanks marienz for clearing that up :)
[02:09] <marienz> they're a kill immediately followed by a kline, because a kill propagates slightly faster
[02:10] <marienz> and a few staffers are watching idoru's activity, so in this case I /lastlogged him on #ubuntu and saw he didn't look like an actual spambot, so unklined
[02:11] <bazhang> definitely not a bot :)
[02:15] <bazhang> got him in PM
[03:53] <knome> does somebody know TriMe?
[03:54] <Flannel> knome: Not I.  Why?
[03:54] <knome> he's having some bad language on #xubuntu
[03:54] <knome> one more time and he's out...
[03:54] <Flannel> Ah
[04:04] <knome> how did you do a banforward again?
[04:04] <knome> :)
[04:04] <Flannel> knome: mask$#ubuntu-ops
[04:04] <Flannel> knome: where mask is a normal banmask
[04:04] <knome> yeah
[04:05] <knome> thanks
[04:05] <knome> will create an alias for that...
[07:36] <red2kic> !ops Ziaeon in #ubuntu (url link)
[07:36] <red2kic> Meh. :)
[07:37] <red2kic> Any ops read me? ;)
[07:37] <Flannel> red2kic: Aye
[07:37] <red2kic> Flannel: Cool. Later, sir.
 i just regged ##ubuntu-nsfw   wonderful
[09:40] <jussi> bazhang: not much we can do about that...
[09:41] <bazhang> jussi, very true
[09:42] <ikonia> really ?
[09:42] <ikonia> the fact that it's using the ubuntu name against the COC
[09:43] <jussi> ikonia: we dont have any control over ##channels
[09:43] <jussi> We can ask freenode to do something if its against freenode rules.
[09:43] <ikonia> just to be clear then, if I regsitered ##ubuntu-pornography you could and would do nothing about that
[09:44] <jpds> Not the calendar again, please.
[09:44] <jussi> ikonia: I suspect that would break freenodes tos
[09:44] <ikonia> but a channel that is "not safe for work" content, eg: unacceptable isn't against the tos ?
[09:45] <jussi> ikonia: Quite likely, but as I said, we cant actually do much, except go to freenode like a good user and inform them
[09:45] <ikonia> surly there is something unaccepable about using the ubuntu name
[09:45] <ikonia> unacceptable
[09:46] <jussi> ikonia: I think canonical may be able to ask freenode to sort something - but Im guessing again, it would need to break tos - including some sort of copyright violation.
[09:46] <ikonia> I think this needs to be cleared up and clarified
[09:47] <jussi> ikonia: what needs to e clarified. IMHO, its simple. you see something like this, you pass it to freenode staff.
[09:48] <ikonia> in your opinion is not what I'm looking for, I'm looking for the correct and official rules and regulations from an Ubuntu standpoint
[09:48] <ikonia> hence why I'm looking for clarification
[09:49] <jussi> well put it on the agenda or write us an email and we will get an official standpoint for you.
[09:49] <ikonia> ok
[09:50] <jussi> right, breakfast time
[09:50] <ikonia> enjoy
[09:55] <tsimpson> ## channels are "about" channels, that why a channel like ##windows can exist without endorsement from Microsoft
[10:03] <ikonia> tsimpson: I understand their purpose, however how is "ubuntu not safe for work" an "about" channel
[10:05] <tsimpson> because it's not a single-#
[10:05] <ikonia> sorry, I mean how in content is it an "about"
[10:05] <ikonia> or is channel purpose/contnet not actually relevant to the policies ?
[10:06] <ikonia> "content" I meant
[10:06] <tsimpson> as long as it's about (in some way) Ubuntu, it probably has the right to exist
[10:06] <ikonia> I see
[10:07] <ikonia> interesting that it's content is against what ubuntu allow/expects ?
[10:07] <Gary> not really ikonia, about is just a name for non primary single # channels, about ## channels can be about almost anything unless they break the tos for the network, which is written on the www.freenode.net pages somewhere
[10:07] <tsimpson> well we don't have any control over channels not in our namespace
[10:08] <Gary> also, morning all
[10:08] <ikonia> tsimpson: I understand that, Gary thank you
[10:16] <ikonia> ok - so ubuntu-nsfw would be considered an offtopic channel
[10:16] <ikonia> as ubuntu a software project does not have any "not safe for work content"
[10:17] <ikonia> which means they should contact a staff member by email
[10:17] <ikonia> (sorry a staffer or email freenode staff)
[10:20] <Gary> if it were in the primary namespace it'd be a easier thing to decide, being in the about namespace it'd be something I'd want further input on from others, so yes an email might be handy, as then it'd get into the staffs ticketing system and it'd get more input from others.
[10:21] <ikonia> Gary: sorry, I meant they should have emailed/contacted staff before registering the channel (as I understand it reading the rules)
[10:21] <ikonia> I'm not trying to be a pain here, I'm just fed up of people who don't want to abide by #ubuntu rules making their own channel and using it as an excuse to use the ubuntu name in unacceptable ways
[10:22] <ikonia> Gary: however, I can email freenode personally if you'd like to allow you to get other input
[10:22] <Gary> ikonia: might be a good idea, I'm still a bit foggy this am, was a late night last night
[10:23] <ikonia> not a problem. I'll drop a note
[10:23] <ikonia> thakn you
[10:23] <ikonia> thank you even
[10:23] <Gary> I do understand your pov
[10:24] <ikonia> I'm sure freenode wouldn't be mega pleased if I registered ##freenode-nsfw
[10:32] <Gary> ikonia: that wouldn't be the worst :D
[10:33] <ikonia> ha, I'm sure
[10:45] <R3cur51v3> Could someone please lift my ban in #ubuntu-offtopic? Thanks.
[10:46] <ikonia> why where you banned ?
[10:46] <R3cur51v3> I put up a disguised rm -rf command as a joke
[10:47] <R3cur51v3> It didn't even work anyway
[10:47] <R3cur51v3> I won't do it again
[10:47] <ikonia> you then tried to get around the ban while flannel was resolving it
[10:47] <R3cur51v3> Naw
[10:48] <R3cur51v3> I have two different houses
[10:48] <R3cur51v3> divorced parents
[10:48] <R3cur51v3> the ban wasn't in effect at the other place
[10:48] <R3cur51v3> I didn't even realize I was evading it, I have XChat set to auto-join #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:48] <ikonia> I appreiciate that,
[10:48] <R3cur51v3> Then I asked on the chan if someone could lift my ban at the other house
[10:48] <ikonia> however you where asked to leave and had to be kicked from flanned
[10:49] <ikonia> if Flannel is not active Im happy to remove the ban as that's what he was trying to do with/for you
[10:49] <ikonia> however you must understand that offtopic is not "behave silly" channel or do damage to peoples machines channel, it's just not a pure support channel for ubuntu
[10:50] <R3cur51v3> Yeah, I understand that
[10:50] <R3cur51v3> sorry
[10:50] <ikonia> well, I can't see a ban stopping you from entering the channel, so give it a try
[10:51] <bazhang>   *!*recursive@*.client.mchsi.com
[10:51] <ikonia> oh, tht's not showing up for me
[10:51] <R3cur51v3> I'm banned still
[10:51] <ikonia> fixed
[10:52] <ikonia> thank you bazhang
[10:52] <ikonia> bazhang: did you get that in BT ?
[10:52] <R3cur51v3> Thank you very much ikonia
[10:52] <bazhang> no worries
[10:52] <bazhang> ikonia, @bansearch
[10:52] <ikonia> odd, it didn't show up in BT
[10:52] <bazhang> weird
[16:41] <Guest50155> weekend12, IS SPAMMING FILES TO PEOPLE just tried to send me an unrequested file download
[16:41] <LjL> i also see that his only contribution to the channel was saying "fuck", so far
[16:42] <Guest50155> doesn't sound like a very good contribution
[17:09] <ikonia> let me help you out
[17:22] <knome> @rss albatross_hg = http://shimmerproject.org/hg/albatross?cmd=changelog;style=rss
[17:22] <knome> oops :)
[17:22] <knome> sorry
[17:22] <Tm_T> Martiini: hi, is there something we can help you with?
[17:24] <Martiini> emm .. yes ... if You ask .. any way I could get unbanned on #ubuntu
[17:25] <Martiini> my username is on ban list on #ubuntu .. for some reason ..
[17:25] <ikonia> could it have something to do with your name calling ?
[17:26] <Martiini> do you have logs for it?
[17:26] <ikonia> 2010-04-06T15:44:09 <Martiini> pimplefaced computer freak bastards
[17:26] <ikonia> how's that ?
[17:26] <Martiini> yea .. . some computer geeks .. or someone was being abusive
[17:27] <ikonia> also you lied about the distro you where using, you said you where using lucid, got told to go to #ubuntu+1 then said you where using karmic
[17:27] <ikonia> Martiini: no-one was being absusive
[17:27] <Martiini> ok .. and I have to remember now .. what version I was using ..
[17:28] <ikonia> no, I'm telling you
[17:28] <Martiini> I was using Karmic .. which was updated to lucid
[17:28] <ikonia> so you where using lucid
[17:28] <Martiini> ok .. thanks
[17:28] <ikonia> and you then lied
[17:28] <ikonia> and said you where using karmic once you got told support was in #ubuntu+1
[17:28] <ikonia> you then started calling people names as they would not help you
[17:28] <ikonia> any of that sound like the reasons you "somehow" got on the ban list ?
[17:29] <Martiini> who are You .. the internet Police on planet Earth ?
[17:29] <elky> No, just this corner of it.
[17:29] <Martiini> so you have logs on IRC channles on your PC .. so what
[17:29] <ikonia> no, I'm a channel operator from ubuntu who's explaining to you why you got banned as you don't seem to understand why
[17:29] <elky> !logs
[17:29] <elky> We also have them stored officially.
[17:29] <ikonia> ok, if your attitude is "so what" then I'll leave this conversation here.
[17:30] <Tm_T> !guidelines | Martiini we have this thing around here
[17:31] <Martiini> so ... Im not allowed to get help on #ubuntu .. because you have the power to ban people from #ubuntu ?
[17:31] <ikonia> no
[17:31] <ikonia> you're not allowed to get help because you lied about the version you where using, then when people tried to help you, you called them names
[17:31] <Martiini> who are you anyway ... I am a person ...
[17:31] <ikonia> hope that makes it clear to you
[17:32] <Martiini> who are you ?! where do you live .. and what is your real name ...
[17:32] <Martiini> I have talked to Steve Langasek PERSONALLY
[17:32] <ikonia> Martiini: I've explained who I am, I'm an channel operator for ubuntu that's explaining to you why you where banned as you don't seem aware of it yourself
[17:32] <Martiini> do YOu know who is Steve Langasek
[17:32] <ikonia> I don't care
[17:32] <Martiini> Do you know who is Steve Langasek
[17:32] <ikonia> I've just said I don't care
[17:32] <Martiini> ignorant
[17:32] <Tm_T> Martiini: that has nothing to do with this matter
[17:32] <ikonia> no, just don't care who you've spoke to
[17:32] <Martiini> google steve langasek now
[17:33] <ikonia> no
[17:33] <Martiini> so who are you
[17:33] <ikonia> Martiini: I suggest you leave the channel and come back when you want to resolve your ban
[17:33] <Tm_T> Martiini: that has nothing to do with this matter, so stop yanking it, please
[17:33] <Martiini> so how does one get unbanned?
[17:33] <Martiini> do you have clear rules for getting unbanned?
[17:33] <ikonia> Martiini: you discuss the reason you where banned and agree a way forward
[17:34] <Martiini> I am sitting in front of this screen and waiting
[17:34] <ikonia> I've explained the reason you where banned and your response is to name drop, or lie about why you did what you did
[17:34] <ikonia> not really agreeing a way forward
[17:34] <Martiini> how do you get people unbanned ... is there #ubuntu admin?
[17:35] <elky> !appeals
[17:35] <ikonia> Martiini: you're talking to the team that manages the ubuntu channel
[17:35] <elky> But I'm doubting they'll care which DDs you've spoken to either.
[17:35] <ikonia> Martiini: you are talking to the right people, you're just not saying the right things by telling lies
[17:36] <Martiini> nice way to fuck with humans ...
[17:36] <ikonia> clearly knew what was going on in my opinion
[17:37] <Tm_T> ye
[17:37] <Tm_T> perhaps bit more patience could have helped, but doubtful
[17:38] <ikonia> not sure how, I asked him about his behaviour, he started name dropping and asking who I was ?
[17:39] <Tm_T> indeed, I wonder what was the point of that
[17:39] <Gary> shame he did not say "do you know who I am"  I've been waiting to answer that with "why, have you forgotten?" for ages
[17:39] <ikonia> too slow gary
[17:39]  * Gary is slow :'(
[17:40] <Tm_T> Martiini: hi, I like to keep this simple and straight just to make things as comfortable as possible
[17:40] <Martiini> ok ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess  say one must email irc-council@SPAMFREE.lists.ubuntu.com
[17:40] <Tm_T> yes
[17:40] <Martiini> that link yo uposted here
[17:41] <Martiini> this link that person posted here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess
[17:41] <Tm_T> yes
[17:41] <Martiini> it says one has to email council@SPAMFREE.lists.ubuntu.com ??
[17:41] <Tm_T> well, remove the "SPAMFREE" part obviously
[17:41] <Martiini> I dont even know who I am talking to
[17:42] <Martiini> one has to email council@SPAMFREE.lists.ubuntu.com
[17:42] <elky> You're talking to the ubuntu namespace core operator team.
[17:42] <Martiini> how old are you ?
[17:42] <elky> Almost thirty.
[17:42] <Martiini> ok .. nice
[17:42] <Tm_T> Martiini: please, don't ask irrelevant questions
[17:42] <elky> And I've met people cooler than slangasek.
[17:43] <Tm_T> Martiini: it's best to stay in topic to make things easy and smooth as possible
[17:43] <Martiini> so .. to get unbanned from #ubuntu ...  one must send email to council@lists.ubuntu.com ??
[17:44] <Martiini> correct ??
[17:44] <Tm_T> Martiini: first step is to discuss with us
[17:44] <elky> Martiini, no. If one cannot engage in productive discussion here, the next step is to email IRC-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[17:45] <EgyParadox> I need to talk with any operator in private , it's urgent.
[17:45] <ikonia> EgyParadox: please contact me
[17:45] <Martiini> Does your team get paid for being admins on IRC ?
[17:45] <ikonia> (as I assume elky and Tm_T are dealing with Martiini )
[17:45] <elky> ikonia, indeed.
[17:45] <Martiini> Do you people get paid for this ??
[17:45] <Tm_T> Martiini: we have told you why you were banned, and best way to get you unbanned is to discuss with us, but if that fails, then that email list
[17:45] <ikonia> EgyParadox: please pm me
[17:45] <Tm_T> Martiini: no
[17:45] <elky> Martiini, no, we're volunteers. You're using up time we'd otherwise be spending answering help requests.
[17:46] <Tm_T> Martiini: and you keep asking irrelevant questions, please stay in topic
[17:46] <Martiini> Who do I need to talk to get unbanned from #ubuntu , please
[17:46] <Tm_T> Martiini: us
[17:46] <Tm_T> Martiini: me atm
[17:46] <Martiini> Are you giong to find my IP address and send someone to kill me?
[17:47] <jpds> No.
[17:47] <elky> What the...
[17:47] <Tm_T> Martiini: please, you're not helping now
[17:47] <Martiini> I need help here !!!!!
[17:47] <Martiini> not YOU ,
[17:48] <Martiini> someone who is able to ... get me UNBANNED from #ubuntu ... crazy people
[17:48] <elky> Martiini, there you go with the namecalling.
[17:48] <Martiini> whoever you are ... USA,, UK ... china
[17:48] <Martiini> who ARE YOU ?!?!??!
[17:48] <elky> Lets say I'm on the moon. What makes me think that you're not going to continue namecalling and lying?
[17:49] <Martiini> who gets people unbanned from #ubuntu ?
[17:49] <Tm_T> Martiini: you don't get unbanned until you start listening us
[17:49] <Martiini> Who is that person who gets someone unbanned from #ubuntu ?
[17:49] <Martiini> Tm_T do You get people unbanned from #ubuntu ?
[17:50] <elky> Martiini, usually there's a coherent discussion between us and the banee. So far YOU are NOT being coherent.
[17:50] <Tm_T> Martiini: I can, but I won't if you don't listen
[17:50] <Martiini> Tm_T ok ... so .. how does one get unbanned from #ubuntu ?
[17:50] <Martiini> how do YOU unban someone on #ubuntu ?
[17:51] <Tm_T> Martiini: first, you have to realise why you were banned in the first place
[17:51] <elky> Martiini, I type chanserv commands to unban people. BUT I don't do that while they don't listen to operators.
[17:51] <Tm_T> Martiini: you know why you were banned now? (it's been told you several times)
[17:52] <Martiini> elky ... You just type chanserv command in Terminal .. to get a nick unbanned ?
[17:52] <Martiini> elky .. is that correct?
[17:52] <elky> Yes. Now, tell me why you are banned.
[17:52] <Martiini> you have logs ...
[17:52] <Martiini> grep the logs .. why I was banned ..
[17:52] <elky> I do, but I want to know that you understand.
[17:53] <elky> My logs don't tell me your thoughts.
[17:53] <Martiini> ok .. I wont tell YOu my thoughts .. sir Elky
[17:53] <elky> Martiini, then you won't get unbanned.
[17:53] <Martiini> so we have come to this ...
[17:54] <elky> That's obviously the outcome you've chosen. Goodbye.
[17:56] <elky> Martiini, if you have nothing else to discuss, this is a non-idling channel.
[17:59] <elky> Martiini, That means you need to /part this channel. I refuse to lift your ban until you decide to partake in coherent, constructive and honest discussion about it.
[18:02] <elky> He will no doubt return again, but I'm headed to bed.
[18:02] <Tm_T> elky: good night (:
[18:03] <elky> Just answer his silly questions like I did, it seems to work.
[18:21] <Martiini> elky, Do You realise .. you have the control over who has access to communication channel and information ?
[18:21] <Martiini> Tm_T , hey! are you still online ?
[18:22] <Martiini> Tm_T , so .. I was banned for "lieing" about what version Ubuntu I was using and for "namecalling"
[18:25] <IdleOne> Martiini: Sorry I was away for a little while. I am the person you need to talk to about getting unbanned. How can I help you today?
[18:26] <Martiini> IdleOne, hello .. are you a person?
[18:26] <Martiini> I would like to get unbanned on #ubuntu , please
[18:26] <IdleOne> I am
[18:27] <Martiini> #ubuntu .. I was banned
[18:27] <IdleOne> ok. well we need to discuss why you got banned in the first place
[18:27] <Martiini> You have logs of #ubuntu
[18:27] <Martiini> I use the same username "Martiini"
[18:27] <IdleOne> From what I can see it had to do with name calling
[18:27] <Martiini> so they say
[18:27] <IdleOne> So the logs show
[18:27] <Martiini> yes .. namecalling ... etc
[18:28] <IdleOne> ok. in ALL Ubuntu channels we expect all users to be respectful
[18:28] <IdleOne> that means no name calling or swearing
[18:28] <IdleOne> or anything that could be considered disrespect
[18:29] <IdleOne> going to ask you to read Please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines and  http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ those two links will give you a good idea of what I mean
[18:29] <IdleOne> after you have read them and understand them let me know
[18:30] <Martiini> I need someone to lift ban on my IP and username on "ubuntu" ... I agree I used "namecalling" on #ubuntu .. reason for that was providing false information by some channel participants
[18:30] <IdleOne> if you have any questions about what those documents state please ask
[18:31] <ikonia> Martiini: no - no-one provided you false information
[18:31] <ikonia> Martiini: this was explained to you before
[18:32] <ikonia> Martiini: you have had 2 attempts to resolve this in the past hour, I suggest you take some time away and think about the issues you are causing in this channel by how you present yourself to the people in this channel who are trying to help you
[18:32] <IdleOne> Martiini: I don't want to discuss the "why" I want to discuss the "how" we are going to move forward
[18:32] <Martiini> IdleOne, I have read the guidelines
[18:32] <Martiini> IdleOne, thanks
[18:33] <Martiini> IdleOne, Do You have guidelines in #ubuntu-ops Topic ?
[18:33] <ikonia> Martiini: check the topic yourself
[18:33] <IdleOne> Martiini: do you agree to follow the rules of #ubuntu? before you answer I want you to know that 1 infraction and I will ban you for 30 days minimum
[18:34] <Martiini> IdleOne ,, Are you able to confirm the maximum ban on #ubuntu , Please
[18:34] <IdleOne> Martiini: there is no maximum time for a ban it depends on the user and the infraction
[18:36] <Martiini> IdleOne, I agree to follow #ubuntu guidelines specified https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines?action=show&redirect=IrcGuidelines
[18:39] <IdleOne> Martiini: The ban will be lifted in #ubuntu. Please be advised that your attitude in this channel does not warrant me lifting the ban but I am going to take a chance on you. Remember I am giving you 1 chance only.
[18:40] <Martiini> " Remember I am giving you 1 chance only" .. meaning .. my IP will be banned indefinitely after 1 ban ??
[18:41] <IdleOne> Martiini: possibly
[18:41] <IdleOne> let's not find out
[18:41] <Martiini> IdleOne, possibly = yes / no ??
[18:41] <IdleOne> Martiini: what you really should be saying right now is that you understand and agree to the rules
[18:42] <IdleOne> you asking more questions and wanting to specify every little word is making me want to change my mind
[18:42] <Martiini> IdleOne, I have read the rules about #ubuntu IRC channel and read  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines?action=show&redirect=IrcGuidelines
[18:42] <IdleOne> Seems like you are looking for loopholes
[18:43] <Martiini> IdleOne, Do #ubuntu operators have the right to ban an IP indefinitely ?
[18:43] <IdleOne> yes
[18:43] <IdleOne> access to #ubuntu is not a right it is a privilege
[18:44] <IdleOne> you or any user who abuses that privilege loses access
[18:44] <Martiini> Does Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical own everything associated with "ubuntu" ??
[18:45] <IdleOne> Martiini: what does that have to do with what we are talking about?
[18:45] <IdleOne> and before you ask Mark Shuttleworth does not have the power to remove your ban
[18:45] <Martiini> "[20:43] IdleOne: access to #ubuntu is not a right it is a privilege"
[18:45] <IdleOne> I know what I said
[18:51] <Martiini> IdleOne, Thank You
[18:52] <IdleOne> So you are calm now and ready to rejoin #ubuntu?
[18:52] <Martiini> IdleOne Are You in UK ?
[18:53] <IdleOne> I don't see what difference where I am makes
[18:53] <ikonia> Martiini: you have been told to stop askng that sort of question - IdleOne has asked you a question, either respond to it clearly or the ban will not be lifted
[18:53] <Martiini> seems I am still banned on #ubuntu
[18:55] <Martiini> IdleOne, are you a real person ?
[18:55] <ikonia> this ends now
[18:55] <ikonia> IdleOne: sorry - I can't accept this ban to be lifted with this attittude
[18:55] <IdleOne> Martiini: I already answered that. I am not lifting the ban
[18:55] <Martiini> IdleOne, yes, I have been calm
[18:56] <IdleOne> Martiini: your attitude is not reflecting your willingness to follow the rules of the Ubuntu community.
[18:56] <IdleOne> ikonia: agreed
[18:56] <Martiini> IdleOne , "calm and ready to rejoin #ubuntu" ? I am still banned
[18:56] <Martiini> are you people joking with me ?
[18:56] <IdleOne> no. we aren't
[18:56] <Martiini> ok ,, nice
[18:57] <Martiini> I am still banned .. in case anyone wants to know
[18:58] <IdleOne> Martiini: if there is nothing else please part this channel. There is a no idling rule.
[18:59] <Martiini> Does anyone here talk to me , please? Is this freenode IRC network ?
[18:59] <ikonia> Martiini: many people have talked to you, you have not listened.
[18:59] <Martiini> AM I on "Freenode" network , please
[18:59] <ikonia> Martiini: I suggest you take time away from #ubuntu to think about how to resolve this ban
[19:03] <IdleOne> EgyParadox and Guest50155 if your business here is done please part the channel. thank you
[19:03] <ikonia> EgyParadox: has an issue I'm dealing with, so that's not his fault that he's idling here
[19:04] <IdleOne> ok no problem
[19:05] <Martiini> Tm_T, hei, oletteko online ?
[19:05] <Martiini> Tm_T kuka pystyy nostamaan kiellon #ubuntu kanavalta ?
[19:05] <ikonia> Martiini: there is no-one called oletteko online, if you need nothing else from the operators please leave this channel
[19:07] <Martiini> ikonia, You banned me, whoever you are
[19:08] <Martiini> ikonia, Are you able to unban me on #ubuntu ?
[19:08] <ikonia> Martiini: I've told you before, yes, but not at this time due to your behaviour
[19:08] <ikonia> Martiini: please leave the channel and come back when you are able to LISTEN to what people are telling you, then we can take this forward
[19:09] <Martiini> ikonia, who the hells talks like this "Martiini: I've told you before, yes, but not at this time due to your behaviour" ... are you the internet police
[19:09] <Martiini> ikonia, I DO LISTEN !!!
[19:09] <Martiini> Are you screwing with people
[19:09] <ikonia> Martiini: I told you before, no, I am an operator in the #ubuntu channel. Now please leave the channel
[19:09] <ikonia> no
[19:09] <Martiini> ikonia, WHO the HELL are YOU to waste peoples TIME
[19:10] <IdleOne> Martiini: we could ask you the same question
[19:10] <Martiini> ikonia, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU to screw with people like this
[19:10] <ikonia> Martiini: I've explained to you who I am multiple times, and I'm not wasting anyones time, I was earlier trying to resolve your ban
[19:10] <Martiini> ok , so resolve the ban
[19:10] <ikonia> Martiini: now please leave the channel
[19:10] <IdleOne> You will not be unbanned today.
[19:10] <Flannel> Martiini: May I suggest you please come back in 48 hours?
[19:10] <ikonia> Martiini: I can't as I don't accept your attitude
[19:11] <ikonia> Martiini: following Flannel's advice would be very helpful
[19:11] <Martiini> unlift the ban on #ubuntu, please , ..."[21:10] ikonia: Martiini: I've explained to you who I am multiple times, and I'm not wasting anyones time, I was earlier trying to resolve your ban"
[19:11] <ikonia> Martiini: I'm well aware of what I've said, you don't need to cut and paste it
[19:11] <ikonia> Martiini: I suggest you LISTEN and follow Flannel's advice
[19:12] <Martiini> ikonia, you are a crazy teenage girl with premenstrual syndrome
[19:12] <Martiini> there has to be someone who can lift the ban on #ubuntu
[19:12] <Flannel> Martiini: That's not likely to get you unbanned.
[19:12] <IdleOne> Martiini: every person you have talked to in this channel can
[19:12]  * maco wonders if ikonia or the teenage girls should be more offended :P
[19:12]  * maco hugs ikonia
[19:12] <tsimpson> Martiini: you're attitude is unacceptable
[19:12] <Flannel> Martiini: There are, there's a good dozen or so of us in this channel right now.  Unfortunately, you're behavior is making it impossible to do so.
[19:13] <Martiini> Flannel, do you know who can unlift ban on #ubuntu , lease
[19:13] <ikonia> I'm out
[19:13] <IdleOne> later
[19:13] <maco> Martiini: "can" or "is willing to"?
[19:13] <Martiini> why are you screwing with pioeple
[19:13] <Martiini> I am still banned
[19:13] <Flannel> Martiini: If we unban you from #ubuntu, you'll wind up being banned again in an hour.  There's no reason to do so when it's a waste of time.
[19:13] <ikonia> this time wasting is unacceptable
[19:13] <Martiini> so who can unban me then
[19:13] <Martiini> you crazy mofos
[19:14] <Martiini> half of you people are not even english
[19:14] <maco> is there something wrong with not being english? heh
[19:14] <IdleOne> maco: yes
[19:14] <maco> i know some folks who would argue the other direction :P
[19:14] <IdleOne> the English rule the word
[19:15] <IdleOne> wait. that was 500 years ago
[19:15] <Flannel> maco: We don't use enough 'e's and 'u's
[19:15] <IdleOne> maco: never mind :)
[19:15] <maco> flaunneele, whæt aree youu tælking abouut?
[19:15] <Flannel> maco: rww would be proud
[19:16] <IdleOne> I really tried to catalyze :/
[19:16] <IdleOne> he wasn't getting it
[19:16] <IdleOne> sorry to have wasted all our time
[19:17] <Flannel> IdleOne: No need to apologise.  We do what we can, sometimes people just won't work with us
[19:17] <IdleOne> Flannel: I was a click away from removing the ban
[19:17] <IdleOne> then he brought up Mark
[19:17] <IdleOne> I was like...hold up!
[19:20]  * mneptok is a crazy teenage girl with premenstrual syndrome. or will be once the "Dawson's Creek" MMORPG is released.
[19:22] <mneptok> right now i'm a Unix(-y) vet with +o on a popular desktop Linux IRC channel. which makes me a crazy middle-aged male with post traumatic stress disorder.
[19:27] <jussi> hi apachelogger
[19:28]  * apachelogger waves
[19:41] <mneptok> @login
[19:42] <mneptok> why does that not work in /query today?
[19:54] <Tm_T> you won't guess who's asking the unban
[21:17] <MenZa> jussi: wat.
[21:44] <h00k> greetings.
[21:44] <knome> from?
[21:44] <h00k> myself.
[21:44] <knome> aww
[21:44] <knome> :)
[21:44] <h00k> Guest50155: can we help you?
[21:44] <h00k> knome: :)
[21:45] <h00k> Has anyone helped Guest50155?
[21:47] <h00k> Guest50155: This channel is not for idling, please kindly make your way towards the door :)
[21:49]  * h00k pokes anyone with ops in here
[21:50]  * h00k pokes tsimpson 
[22:04] <knome> pong timein
[22:04] <h00k> say what
[22:05] <h00k> I see what you did there.
[22:07] <knome> :)=
[22:16] <ikonia> ponders if mackolin is alabd
[22:28] <gnomefreak> ask him?
[22:28] <gnomefreak> hed say no anyway most likley
[22:28] <ikonia> it's not
[22:29] <gnomefreak> ah