| rlameiro | ScottL: i think i cant make it to the meeting today | 12:46 |
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| rlameiro | ScottL: i have to go to the ariport and i am not sure if i get home in time | 12:47 |
| rlameiro | jussi: are you there? | 12:53 |
| rlameiro | I am thinking on a implementation of the UBS controls | 12:53 |
| rlameiro | what do you think if the controls utility, could download from a server a text file with the list of PPA we determine safe for ubuntustudio | 12:55 |
| rlameiro | this way we wouldnt need to upgrade the package each time some PPA changes, or something new is needed to be added | 12:55 |
| rlameiro | if so, where can i put that file? some safe place, also it sgould be GPG signed, but i dont know how, maype gziped or something | 12:56 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, i don't think we are ready for a meeting today, i know i'm not | 13:13 |
| rlameiro | ok | 13:13 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: what do you thing about the file download? | 13:14 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, hmm, i'm not sure, i'd have to think about it | 13:53 |
| ScottL | my first thought is that i would rather we test the ppa ourselves and then copy the build into our own ppa | 13:53 |
| ScottL | this keeps a single ppa for user's to worry about | 13:54 |
| ScottL | but, this does not prevent us from fixing the rtprio and memlock settings, which is actually pretty important | 13:54 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: well, but the backpots need to have its own ppa | 13:55 |
| rlameiro | i need to look into the rtprio stuff | 13:55 |
| rlameiro | it needs to be added to the audio.d/config isnt it | 13:56 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, true, but we could include one other for "extended" universe ppa (or whatever name we come up with) | 13:56 |
| rlameiro | ok | 13:56 |
| rlameiro | like enable backports ppa | 13:56 |
| rlameiro | and another with enable ubuntustudio universe team ppa | 13:56 |
| rlameiro | or something | 13:56 |
| ScottL | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2010May16 | 13:57 |
| ScottL | /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf | 13:57 |
| ScottL | the link provides alink to mailing list discribing it, but you seee the file also below my link | 13:57 |
| rlameiro | yes that, misspelled it | 13:57 |
| rlameiro | i just dont get that stuff of not adding the user to the @audio group when using PA | 13:58 |
| ScottL | i have misgivings about enabling ppa's that we do not have control over, we cannot guarentee their quality and we would receive the bugs for them | 13:58 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: me too | 13:59 |
| rlameiro | I was thinking on separate ppa, just that | 13:59 |
| rlameiro | but all controlled by the team, also the list would need to be approved by the team, but maybe its better to have just one ppa with everything | 14:00 |
| ScottL | the way i understood dtchen's explanation, is that the active user (the one at the keyboard) has rights to the /dev/snd/* which means you have access to the @audio group | 14:01 |
| rlameiro | i wanted to put the kernel in a diferent one, because, that way, we could warn users about the rt kernel implications | 14:01 |
| rlameiro | even with jack? | 14:01 |
| ScottL | you are not explicitly in the group but because you are the person logged on you access to that groups rights | 14:01 |
| rlameiro | humm | 14:02 |
| rlameiro | ok | 14:02 |
| ScottL | that's a good idea about the kernel | 14:02 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=12 | 14:02 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: the idea was like this, the user selects the checkbox for the kernels PPA and a Warnig box appears | 14:03 |
| ScottL | according to dtchen, this should work, even with jack...of course there may be unforseen situations | 14:03 |
| rlameiro | saying that you may have problems with the propietary kernels etc | 14:03 |
| rlameiro | the things abogani explained on the mailing list | 14:03 |
| ScottL | proprietary drivers? instead of proprietary kernels? | 14:03 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: when you instal the rt kernel, ussually users have some problems with the nvida and ATI propietary drivers | 14:04 |
| rlameiro | this is a defense for us, or elese we would be swamped with bugs and complains | 14:04 |
| ScottL | i meant that you said "saying that you may have problems with the propietary kernels etc" but i realize you meant drivers not kernels | 14:05 |
| rlameiro | if they want rt kernels, they should know thew caveeats | 14:05 |
| ScottL | exactly | 14:05 |
| rlameiro | oops, sorry fail | 14:05 |
| rlameiro | :D | 14:05 |
| ScottL | lol | 14:05 |
| ScottL | i'm hoping this is transitory...if preempt gets in archives and can be shipped by default, many may not want to switch because performance is acceptable | 14:06 |
| ScottL | transitory = people wanting -rt kernels | 14:06 |
| rlameiro | yeap, but there are still situations whwere rt kernels is better, for instance with laptops | 14:06 |
| ScottL | my understanding is that we cannot make an -rt kernel without Igno's patch, and that leaves us in a difficult position sometimes | 14:07 |
| rlameiro | as the mobile processor have some weard differences, with the rt you can push it to the limit | 14:07 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: no, if we tell the user :D | 14:07 |
| rlameiro | we are not the devs, we just try to get together the best software | 14:08 |
| rlameiro | we are not kernel devs | 14:08 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, i fear that most users think we work in a fantasy land and we have all the knowledge, resources, and time to make things "right" and that somehow we just choose to screw things up for select peoples | 14:08 |
| rlameiro | the problem is that most people think that ubuntustudio makes its own kernel, and all software | 14:08 |
| ScottL | precisely | 14:08 |
| ScottL | "omnipotent" gods thats fail | 14:09 |
| rlameiro | so, ubuntustudio controls could be a way to WAR users about the caveats | 14:09 |
| rlameiro | and also ask for help | 14:09 |
| rlameiro | it can be naggy, but yes it is needed | 14:09 |
| ScottL | a dialogue box would be nice to tell them of the dangers and a link to an informative website would be a really good thing IMO | 14:10 |
| rlameiro | precisely my idea | 14:10 |
| rlameiro | with a BIG warning triangle | 14:10 |
| ScottL | english is my native tongue and my last sentence was pretty horrible :P | 14:10 |
| rlameiro | we also should push translation | 14:10 |
| ScottL | maybe I should have an editor and a translator :P | 14:11 |
| rlameiro | lol | 14:11 |
| rlameiro | i got you :D | 14:11 |
| ScottL | that's why i worry about abogani and the way he gets down on himself about his english | 14:11 |
| ScottL | i really do think he types it better than a lot of native english speakers | 14:12 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: that is normal with us, because our native language isn't english, but we do spend most of our time reading stuff in english | 14:13 |
| ScottL | once we get an ISO build that works i should be updating the seeds to include the new lv2 stuff and hopefully moderating the menu for them as well | 14:13 |
| rlameiro | so sometimes qe feel that we should do better at it | 14:13 |
| ScottL | even if something is spoken (or written) not quite correctly but the intent is understood, then that is a win | 14:13 |
| ScottL | because sometimes even for those born in US and speak english natively, it is difficult to understand some spoken dialogue because of slang and poor word choices | 14:14 |
| ScottL | it's not what you would call "proper english" but it gets understood the same more or less | 14:14 |
| rlameiro | yea, true, sometimes i cant get some english expressions ou there :D | 14:15 |
| ScottL | oh, and when we get an ISO build that installs I really want to test JACK/Pulse Audio together and see what's different | 14:16 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: do you know another ubuntu channel for developres, besides #ubuntu-dev? | 14:16 |
| ScottL | i do not...i wasn't even directly aware of #ubuntu-dev until now | 14:16 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: about that,, http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=12 | 14:16 |
| rlameiro | i think we could implement it on controls | 14:17 |
| rlameiro | as enable it or disable it | 14:17 |
| ScottL | which part? | 14:17 |
| rlameiro | also warning that when jack is stoped pulse crash :D | 14:17 |
| rlameiro | the pulse/jack | 14:17 |
| ScottL | you mean the bridge? | 14:18 |
| rlameiro | so you can get pulse audio into jack and vice versa | 14:18 |
| rlameiro | yeap | 14:18 |
| ScottL | i agree, but probably not this cycle | 14:18 |
| ScottL | i am expected to have some troubles still with maverick in terms of getting jack and pulse enabled and working in a stable manner vai dbus | 14:19 |
| rlameiro | maybe | 14:19 |
| ScottL | not that i have great or expansive knowledge of the subject | 14:19 |
| ScottL | but when we change infrastructure like this it seems to have "unforeseen consequences" which take a cycle to rectify | 14:20 |
| rlameiro | it depends on how can i make it or not | 14:20 |
| rlameiro | i have some spare time now | 14:20 |
| ScottL | i'm not talking about -controls | 14:20 |
| rlameiro | i am starting to reading stuff about python-apt etc | 14:20 |
| rlameiro | i need to make a mock-up and implement it | 14:20 |
| ScottL | but first can we fix the rtprio and memlock situation, that is clearly defined and pretty critical | 14:21 |
| rlameiro | also i will meet in person RNCBC in 15 days so i can ask him directly about rtirq | 14:21 |
| ScottL | hey, that's pretty cool! | 14:22 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: AFAIK the issue is easy to fix, just changing the file path in the python script | 14:22 |
| rlameiro | that is the first thing i will do | 14:22 |
| rlameiro | that and remove nice | 14:22 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, i would even suggest that we fix that first, test it, and then push the changes now to improve usability | 14:23 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: should i develop it on the alpha? | 14:23 |
| ScottL | and then worry about other improvements | 14:23 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: for lucid? | 14:23 |
| ScottL | you could develop on lucid i think without any problems | 14:23 |
| rlameiro | i dont know if i can | 14:24 |
| ScottL | you don't know if you can update -controls on lucid? | 14:24 |
| rlameiro | the problems with rtprio came because the change was made between karmic and lucid | 14:24 |
| rlameiro | so never was detected fixed in time | 14:24 |
| ScottL | if you can update -controls on a lucid install, it should be able to be merged into the code for maverick and then released | 14:25 |
| rlameiro | but, of course it can be developd in lucid, but needs testing on MM | 14:25 |
| rlameiro | yeap | 14:25 |
| ScottL | then an SRU can be filed to get it released into lucid still during maverick's development | 14:25 |
| rlameiro | thats tha | 14:25 |
| rlameiro | thats it, so we can push it to lucid also :D | 14:26 |
| rlameiro | thats what i wanted to know :D | 14:26 |
| ScottL | oh good :) | 14:26 |
| ScottL | hopefully you can make the rtprio, memlock, and nice changes, they get reviewed and testing in lucid, and then an MM ISO is available to test as well | 14:27 |
| ScottL | then we can merge the code for MM | 14:28 |
| ScottL | afk a few minutes | 14:28 |
| rlameiro | ok | 14:28 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: ok, i just removed nice from UScontrols | 14:58 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, sorry had to finish a blog post before the family woke up http://dullass.blogspot.com/ | 14:58 |
| ScottL | good :) | 14:59 |
| rlameiro | i changed the file were writ the memlock, but there is already info on mine | 14:59 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, did you just remove the code or did you comment them out? i think i would advocate commenting them out for the time being | 15:00 |
| rlameiro | the instllation process of jack already does some stuff, so i need to make something to check for the actuall state of the file, or it will addin one more line | 15:00 |
| rlameiro | i removed it | 15:00 |
| ScottL | yes, that is true | 15:00 |
| rlameiro | but its not important | 15:00 |
| rlameiro | its only mu branch | 15:00 |
| ScottL | we have the old code still so it's not that big of a concern | 15:00 |
| rlameiro | after i make a diff and commnet out the original | 15:00 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, it's time for me to go, i have to wake up son and get him ready for us to go out into town | 15:01 |
| rlameiro | also, there is a commented line with a nice setting /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf | 15:01 |
| rlameiro | go go | 15:02 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, ciao, i always enjoy talking with you | 15:02 |
| rlameiro | have a good time | 15:02 |
| rlameiro | mee to :D | 15:02 |
| rlameiro | hi again | 20:13 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: i just reconfigured jack, using $dpkg-reconfigure -p high jackd and it added memlock unlimited, and rtprio 99 | 20:14 |
| rlameiro | both to @audio | 20:14 |
| rlameiro | so, i dont know, why do need ubuntustudio controls for the moment... | 20:14 |
| rlameiro | besides enabling firewire | 20:15 |
| rlameiro | crimsun_: I would love if you could clarify some things avout the audio setup at the moment | 20:16 |
| rlameiro | as i want to push ASAP a modified version of ubuntustudio controls for the 10.04.1 | 20:17 |
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