=== DarkwingDuck_ is now known as DarkwingDuck === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [02:36] Are we planning on releasing Koffice with 10.10? [02:42] how do you all stand gui-based irc clients? this is kind of annoying :/ [02:44] nixternal!!!! [02:44] konversation is <3! [02:44] irssi can't be beat, sorry [02:44] nixternal: irssi++ [02:45] gotta get a new hard drive for my communications box so i can get my irssi back up and running [02:45] nixternal welcome back :) [02:45] YOu need one nixternal? [02:45] yeah, checking ebay now [02:45] SATA or EIDE? [02:46] one of each? [02:46] I have a 300gig SATAdrive I'm not using anymore [02:47] hehe, the machine takes either [02:47] that is to much drive for what i need [02:47] 20gb is more than enough [02:47] and I have an 80 GIG EIDE [02:47] http://cgi.ebay.com/Maxtor-MaxLine-Plus-II-250GB-SATA-Hard-Drive-1-NO-RES-/130400036409?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e5c72a639#ht_1820wt_1139 [02:47] grr, see my irssi would have used bit.ly or such to shrink that bad boy [02:48] nixternal: You want my 80gig? [02:48] I'll never use it... I have a 1TB and a 3TB in my desktop [02:49] i have to look here again..there has to be a spare drive somewhere [02:50] *shrugs* I'll give it to ya. :P [02:50] hrmm, lemme check the mac...didn't even think about that [02:50] i need to test the drive in my server a bit more...i did a reboot and it wasn't clicking...it was trying to do something and I could hear a knocking sound [02:51] after a reboot it didn't do it [02:51] i backed up all of my stuff to my external hard drive [02:51] my server is booting up, and the drive isn't making a damn sound...need to see if i can ssh into it [02:52] yikes, knocking sound [02:52] that's a bad one [02:55] seems to work [02:57] see, no problem right now [02:57] * nixternal clears dmesg and keeps an eye on it [02:59] I hope it's all backed up..... [03:01] it is...just all of my irssi and email stuff really...the rest is kept in sync with dropbox and all of my tunes are on an external drive [03:03] nixternal: about time you backed up ~/.irssi [03:08] it has always been backed up, but better to be safe in case I changed anything in the past 5 years :) [03:12] DarkwingDuck did you talk to mdke about updating lucid doc packages? [03:13] jjesse: I have not yet... Looking for a house :s [03:13] oh yeah [03:13] and a job [03:13] good luck [03:13] me too! [03:13] :) [03:13] jjesse: what needs to be updated? [03:14] nixternal DarkwingDuck and I were trying to fiugre out if all of these merge requests for typos, etc should be going in both maverick and lucid branches [03:14] nixternal: We need to keep Lucid up to date seeing that it's a LTS [03:14] hrmm [03:14] what DarkwingDuck said [03:15] well..let me rephrase that [03:15] if it is just a silly little typo, maverick only...if it is a life or death situation, then lucid as well [03:15] if someone spelt to too or some crap, I don't care then [03:16] I was actually thinking about the docs on a recent bike ride [03:16] Why don't we fix everything thats posted and when we submit Maverick to the translators we submit Lucid as well [03:16] ? [03:16] yeah? i thinking about docs while i was on the toliet the other day [03:16] I was thinking about the docs yesterday when I was squashing bugs [03:16] :P:P [03:16] maybe that's where I was thinking about them [03:17] i've really liked the merge requests that have been happening for ubuntu-docs and kubuntu-docs [03:17] DarkwingDuck: well, in order to upload a new package to lucid, we have to file a SRU, and in order for that to get approved, it needs to be more than a silly typo [03:17] otherwise they will not get approved, even for documentation [03:18] how bout a bunch of typos :) [03:18] Even though it's an LTS? [03:18] even though it is an LTS [03:18] we are talking almost 20 bugs [03:18] hell, we never got to update Dapper at all [03:18] are they major bugs? [03:18] not major bugs [03:18] typos/etc [03:18] A couple are semi major [03:18] fix um then [03:18] I am. [03:18] I can probably get the SRU approved and pushed through [03:18] in between finding a job and a house. [03:19] If we are going to get the SRU then we should get all of them. [03:19] and upload the fixes to the lucid docs, let me know when you are all finished, then I will regenerate the POT files and create a new package [03:19] Okay. [03:19] then in 1 week, I will download the translated tarballs and get the translations in [03:19] maybe 2 weeks [03:19] I'll let you know when they are done. I'll finishing them by Friday [03:19] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137689 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/TODO SVN_SILENT: Update todo [03:19] nixternal do you have it documented how we do this process? and the steps/etc? [03:19] i am afraid to see what the translations are going to look like anyways...how many busted tags there are [03:20] jjesse: of course not [03:20] please do one day [03:20] That would be nice ;) [03:20] though it is real easy to read the scripts and figure it out..the translations are all done manually...though with the fixes that dpm did for me, we might be in decent shape [03:21] yeah, especially since i don't know how long i will be lasting around here...i need to spend more time finding a job and less time here [03:21] I just need a part time... Navy is going to pay for my college and a housing allowance while I go to school. [03:23] Soooo, while I go to ITT Tech I need a part time. :) [03:23] nixternal good luck getting that job [03:25] yeah, probably looking at a complete change in profession possibly [03:26] what now? [03:26] dunno yet [03:26] moving away from computers [03:26] it would be moving away from puters [03:26] that sucks a bit [03:26] nobody is looking to hire someone with a little KDE knowledge [03:27] Lots of Drupal jobs there in Chicagoland [03:27] I applied for another Canonical job, however I know how those go, at least for me [03:27] i don't know php [03:28] i know enough to do a little here or there, but that's about it [03:28] what job you apply for? [03:28] desktop something or other [03:28] lol [03:28] but nowhere on my resume does it say GNOME, so I doubt it makes it an interview [03:28] lol [03:30] software engineeer? [03:30] i think i applied for that one previously but got pwnd in the interview [03:30] didn't know enough about filesystems [03:30] ubuntu desktop display and input engineer? [03:30] i sure as hell hope not [03:30] ubuntu desktop engineer [03:31] it was something about firefox or chrome...can't remember [03:31] maybe that is it [03:31] you can't get jorge or jono to hire you ?> [03:31] i was going to make a joke about 'maybe i should have drank more with certain people so they could create a job for me' [03:31] but...you kind of ruined that one [03:31] lol [03:32] holy hell....my email is taking forever to sync [03:32] i was only offline for a couple of days [03:33] we missed you [03:34] i don't believe that at all [03:34] actually, i am kind of amazed that you are even online [03:34] hey DarkwingDuck and i talked about you [03:34] you send an email once a month complaining about your netbook...that's about it :p [03:34] me???? [03:34] no, the guy behind you [03:34] that hurts man [03:34] lol [03:34] my dog? [03:34] your twin? [03:35] i've been trying ubuntu unity and been busy filing bugs against it [03:35] i tried it, then nixed it [03:41] hey, if you are running 4.5b2, click on that folder view next to the menu...see if it crashes the desktop [03:41] QuickAccess Browser [03:43] running windows 7 on this laptop [03:43] oh, and everyone gives me shit [03:44] jjesse: Win& [03:44] nixternal: bug 591891 [03:44] Launchpad bug 591891 in Kubuntu PPA "Quick Access widget crashes plasma" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/591891 [03:44] Win7 rather... hethen. [03:47] claydoh: groovy [03:47] i accidentally clicked it, as I never use it anyways [03:47] getting a new workstation for the office, and some sort of box for online trainig at work, I wonder if it will be a move f rom xp to Vister [03:47] i would quit if they gave me vista [03:48] if they gave me win7 and allowed me to at least use eclipse, i would think about staying :D [03:48] hopefully they at least allow me to install open office [03:48] use latex and be done with it [03:50] hah something else to learn, just for posting notices for my crew, and other banal stuff? [03:50] :) [03:51] for that you use identi.ca [03:51] :-) [03:52] valorie: not in a fast-food restaurant, they already are on their phones when we are not looking :/ [03:52] lol [03:53] tho it would be neat to tweet someone taking a 5th "bathroom break " in 2 hours :) [03:54] but I cant be too harsh, I *have* been on irc at work, after closing :) [04:07] JontheEchidna: Did you consider http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/04/solving-little-problem-with-slightly.html in your config stuff you were doing? [04:09] Don't think anybody's done anything about the .js file conflicts. We did come to the agreement that we probably do want to patch the upstream .js files, and patching the "default panel package" would be a necessary step [04:12] So its been though about, but nobody's been un-lazy enough to take care of it yet :P [04:19] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137702 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ (5 files in 3 dirs) Implement a search function using the Ept Xapian search shiz. The code is quite ugly to look at, but it works really fast. Introduces a dependency on the libept library. [04:19] \o/ [04:19] (Search code stolen from synaptic and made less braindead formatting-wise) [04:22] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1137703 * trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/TODO Quash another TODO item \o/ [04:26] JontheEchidna: Could you have a look at Bug #586497 - glaztor pitched it at unattended upgrades. Not sure that's right. [04:26] Launchpad bug 586497 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Lucid) "kpackagekit install security update in automatic mode without authorization" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/586497 [04:34] ew ew ew [04:34] it turns out kpackagekit does have a separate setting specific to kpackagekit to auto-install security updates [04:35] but we don't show the option since we patch the settings pane to show a button for software-properties-kde :( [04:35] dantti isn't here, unfortunately... [04:51] Sigh. [05:00] OK, shutting down for the night...had some other issues related to the drive...don't want to have anything blow up while I am sleeping [05:00] g'nite all [08:36] apachelogger: seems everyone is in favour of a seprate codec like install,more work for me yayy :D === 5EXAAY1XG is now known as simka7 [08:53] apachelogger: maybe we can do it like : Install extra library to get additional functionality > This will enable the Universe repo,are you sure you want to continue > yes > Enable universe repo > install libkopete-gcall [08:54] then we can upload packages to universe without having to file MIR's [09:01] btw any idea where the qt-doc-html package installs the docs too? [09:33] you know something... whoever is designing kde ikons has a real issue with connected network icons :( [09:43] I didn't like the new bleached out ones at first [09:43] but now they are growing on me [09:45] I can still get oxygen back if I get tired of 'em [09:55] shadeslayer_: you cannot do it like that [09:56] shadeslayer_: Well, you can, you just will get all sorts of headachy. [09:56] shadeslayer_: Build-dependencies of main packages must be in main, so having the binaries in universe does not make any difference to the problem :/ [09:57] Also, Universe is active by default. [10:22] valorie: no, the icons are fine mostly, its just the network icon, when connected, looks disconnected. we had this issue before also... [10:24] ok [11:27] apachelogger: It would help with the "takes 5MB on the CD" problem. [11:27] ScottK: Not with the filing MIRs though. [11:28] True. Still gotta do that. [11:28] plural? isn't there only one [11:28] and it's been filed [11:28] Riddell: 2 I have counted ... libortp and linphone [11:28] libortp-dev come from linphone [11:28] oh, then indeed only one [11:58] apachelogger: Most of the kdepim mobile stuff is happening outside of trunk in branches/work/komo. [11:59] steveire: but targetting back to trunk? [11:59] We hope to have it finished at the same time as KDE 4.6 [11:59] After freeze it goes back to trunk [11:59] asac: ^ I think the best that can happen are preview packages in a PPA [12:00] It's not clear yet whether it will be part of SC release tarballs. It might be in separate tarballs or something. [12:44] apachelogger: yeah. so be it. [12:44] thanks [12:45] * apachelogger notes that one could always throw loads of developer resources at the problem ^^ [12:56] apachelogger: hmm.. [13:09] can you use your Launchpad OpenID in http://www.kdedevelopers.org/ ? [13:13] doubt it [13:13] what reason? [13:15] EagleScreen: Just try it? [13:15] I don't kno wif kdedevelopers.org have enabled openid [13:17] It is offered as login option. [13:17] So technically it should be working [13:21] two webtites told me thet the launchpad openide is wrong, but better to talk about this with launchpad people [13:21] yeps [13:48] Is anyone else having trouble bringing up k3b's options? [13:57] k3b crashes here when I try to bring up the options window [13:58] hmm, pkgkde-symbolshelper has no man page, where can I read about this? [13:58] mfraz74: same here :( [13:59] are there any kubuntu tools written in perl? [13:59] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/U3fXWDAd [14:05] mcas: thankfully not [14:10] Riddell: seems everyone is in favour of a codec type install [14:11] regarding kopete.... :) [14:12] bug 594121 [14:12] Launchpad bug 594121 in Kubuntu PPA "k3b crashes when selecting configure k3b" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/594121 [14:14] ah... confirmed in maverick too :) [14:15] will check with kde svn if its a problem in our packaging or upstream issue [14:17] shadeslayer: is that kopete or k3b? [14:44] k3b :P [14:50] the settings dialogs inside systmsettings are a bit beastie [14:50] :D [14:51] but the second screen wallpaper killing is known? [14:51] Tonio_: are you able to merge konq-plugins? it's the last kde package on https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html [14:53] Riddell, sure [14:53] JontheEchidna: Do you mind if I assign the kpackagekit/automatic updates bug to you? [14:59] Somehow it seems odd that the notifier comes up with upgrades even when there is no network connection [14:59] * txwikinger has some Knetworkmanager problems again [15:01] ScottK: go ahead [15:01] apachelogger, do we want to keep konq-plugins-searchbar since we might switch to rekonq this time ? [15:02] apachelogger, you introduced that to preserve space on the cd, and that's the only difference between our konq-plugins and debian's [15:03] JontheEchidna: Done. Thanks. [15:06] apachelogger, more precise question... do we still want to split out konq-plugins package cause that's a hudge diff with the debian package [15:09] Riddell, since the changes were made by apachelogger , I'm waiting for his opinion before merging or uploading the debian package [15:10] !find Qalculate [15:10] Found: libqalculate-dev, libqalculate-doc, libqalculate4, qalculate, qalculate-gtk (and 1 others) [15:12] dantti: ping [15:12] JontheEchidna: pong :D [15:12] dantti: Hi, I've got a question about KPackageKit [15:13] It seems to have an "auto-install security updates" feature. Shouldn't this be a backend feature controlled by the packagekit daemon itself? [15:13] !find Exiv2 [15:13] Found: exiv2, libexiv2-6, libexiv2-dev, libexiv2-doc, libkexiv2-8 (and 2 others) [15:14] On Debian/Ubuntu systems, we already have cron jobs for APT that handle auto-installing security updates, and this conflicts with those cron job options [15:14] Tm_T: how long does kdebase take to compile? [15:14] 2-3 hours? [15:15] JontheEchidna: I see, well at first I don't think that this should be handled by cron [15:15] JontheEchidna: for example, I'm using my laptop which has low mem, then an update starts and I don't even know about it. [15:16] JontheEchidna: now, the probem with auto install security updates, is a problem with the kubuntu patch for the kpackagekit settings kcm [15:16] which imo should be rewritten, ( I could do that but I'm without time now) [15:17] * shadeslayer_ starts building kdebase [15:17] dantti: what changes do you think should be made? [15:17] probably as of version >0.6 the default is to update nothing [15:18] JontheEchidna: I think you should remove all the patch that hides KPK settings and make that kcm ugly, and just add a button to Edit software origns [15:19] this way the user can control how often kpk will refresh the cache, which sources he has, and if he want's to always update everything [15:19] The patch adds a button that launches software-properties-kde, that already does all of this, but on the apt level. [15:20] It would be nice if KPackageKit could look to the backend (apt/aptcc, whatev) to see how often it should update the cache, etc [15:20] imo it's not consistent to have updates being instaled while you can't visually see your system doing it, that's why the cron stuff is not good for me [15:21] JontheEchidna: yes that patch, the problem is that is hides everything and make the ui very weird [15:21] the cron job is standard for all Debian/Ubuntu systems, so it's still going to be there unless a user manually removes the cron job [15:21] JontheEchidna: I agree that this kind of settings could be done in packagekit it self so that admins could set a reasonable value [15:22] JontheEchidna: I never saw it in debian btw [15:22] hmm [15:22] which file should be it? [15:22] /etc/cron.daily/apt [15:23] hmm I had never saw it, [15:23] probably it's debina 6 [15:23] no it's not :P [15:24] It's in lenny, at least: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=/etc/cron.daily/apt&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any [15:24] and sid [15:25] JontheEchidna: yes, I'm seeing it, but somehow it looks like disabled since all my servers don't get auto updates [15:25] probably i have to configure that [15:25] yes, the feature is auto-disabled by default [15:26] hmm k right, so it wouldn't conflic with kpackagekit by default then? [15:26] kpackagekit seems to have auto-install for security updates on by default [15:26] JontheEchidna: it was on by default on the past [15:27] fedora dudes also complained about this so i changed [15:27] but as of now the user can't change since the kcm module hides it [15:27] We still have KPK 0.5.4 since PackageKit hasn't released an ABI-stable release compatible with KPK 0.6 [15:28] also if a user updates from 0.5 to 0.6 and can't see the option it might still be on [15:28] we hide it because the option already exists in software-properties-kde, which our patch has a button to launch [15:28] JontheEchidna: well it should be ABI ok afaik [15:29] So if we update PK to 0.6.5, we aren't going to break gnome-packagekit or whatever? [15:29] JontheEchidna: well the best would be to merge the two although i prefer it to be in kpk since the user will see an icon when auto updates starts [15:30] JontheEchidna: well you probably have to update the gnome-pk too [15:30] blegh [15:30] i just don't know to which version exactly but i can as richard [15:30] *ask [15:33] ugh... seems that if you open huge files with ark it keeps extracting those files until you kill it manually [15:34] JontheEchidna: gpk 2-30 or better [15:34] we have 2.29.2 :( [15:35] I don't really have all that much experience with gnome packaging... [15:35] Anyone know where /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksgmltools2/ went in Maverick? It seems to have gone missing out of kdelibs5-data. [15:35] ScottK: hold on checking [15:35] ScottK: kdoctools [15:36] JontheEchidna: Thanks. [15:36] :P [15:40] I've seen other FTBFS because that moved, but I can't remember what package ATM. [15:44] kdelibs5-dev depends on it, fwiw [15:45] Weird. Then that probably won't solve the problem I was having. [16:03] * txwikinger fixed his networking problem.. wasn't knetworkmanager after all [16:03] Tonio_: all the same to me at this point [16:06] apachelogger, let's sync the package and fix the seed to drop the konq-plugins-searchbar package then ? [16:07] aye [16:09] apachelogger: so we split kopete package? [16:09] JontheEchidna: great (or not), I'm not the official maintainer for pk-qt which means that the bugs I was planning to fix, now I have to :P [16:09] shadeslayer_: seems so, but it is not really a split, what you need to do is a secondary build from within the same source [16:09] :P [16:09] s/I'm not/I'm now [16:09] shadeslayer_: I think quassel does something like that if you seek inspiration :) [16:10] :D [16:10] will have a look at your ubuntu one package after kdebase compiles and then do kopete :) [16:11] apachelogger: and can you help me with the codec notification thingy patch [16:19] kdepim 4.4.4 is not in archive.... [16:19] but it's in bzr https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdepim/ubuntu [16:19] tsk [16:19] I can fix that [16:20] ok [16:32] \o/ .... kdebase compiles in a hour here :) [16:33] well.. its almost done.. at 85 pc :P [16:33] beware of saying "almost done" for compiles, that's often not true [16:33] Riddell: will it fail at 99 pc? :P [16:34] because if does fail... thats sad :'( [16:42] Riddell: fully built \o/ now installing [17:15] lex79: kdepim uploaded [17:15] uploaded with the all new sftp upload [17:15] which just got added to soyuz today [17:15] great :) [17:23] Riddell: qtwebkit in bzr [17:26] groovy, uploading [17:28] someone has fixed my English grammar mistakes in my personal wiki page :D [17:45] [kdebase-workspace] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100614164538-p5leo59gsfcds0xa * debian/ (changelog control) -dbg replace and conflicts kdebase-dbg << 4.4.80 since files got moved around inbetween versions (LP: #588768) [17:53] pulseaudio support seems pleasantly working except for the small issue of it not detecting my internal sound card [17:54] and userconfig needs to not put people into the audio group [17:56] crimsun_: are you still answering pulse issue like the above or should I hassle luke? [17:56] aww, agateau left. I wanted to show him this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~echidnaman/kapti_cplusplus.tar.bz2 === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [18:33] crimsun_: success, firefox was blocking pulseaudio getting the internal sound card [18:33] kmix looking nice, skype working [18:35] even flash seems to work [18:36] only issue is plugging in my usb headphones they're on full volume even though kmix shows it at less [18:37] Riddell: would it be resonable to edit the 4.5beta2 announcement to better clarify for the general public that it can be considered vbery buggy for some :) [18:37] http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3112376.new;topicseen#new [18:38] I terms like "crack" and 'there will be bugs" don't mean much, as the label "beta2" means it is OK for everyone :) [18:39] can do although better to also fix the bugs of course :) [18:40] well it already says "This is beta software so expect bugs." [18:40] what more can I put? [18:40] "We recommend that you do not use this release in a production system." [18:40] something like that maybe? [18:40] or write about it eating little kittens [18:41] that always helps [18:42] dunno aseigo wrote that KDE 4.0 would eat babies and people still moan it had bugs [18:42] "If you have read this, you have forfeited all rights to say that you didn't expect there to be bugs, and will be a poopey head if you do" [18:43] well [18:43] I am now folling iDontCare mantra. [18:43] makes me overall happier [18:44] IMHO we should stop announcing pre-release software on the website to begin with TBH [18:44] But instead blog about it. [18:45] It will be perceived much less official hence much less reliable. Then again most people get such news via relay anyway... [18:45] well is there actually a problem here? someone installed beta software and found a bug, only problem is he didn't report the bug in the right place [18:46] Riddell: Apparently he did not judge the reliability of the beta software properly. [18:46] Which happens a lot it seems. [18:46] no, jut comnplaaints about it being beta2, so it should be considerd more stable and bug free [18:47] hey Riddell, have you seen agateau? [18:47] rbelem: agateau is usually on baby duty after 17:00UTC [18:47] :-) [18:48] claydoh: Send him my way, I am all up for discussions on the matters of release labeling. === rdieter is now known as rdieter_ [18:49] apachelogger: you expect a forum guy to go to irc??? :) [18:49] He can write me an email if he wishes [18:49] He can even call me if he wants to. === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [18:50] * claydoh wishes more devs would spend a small amount of time in kubuntuforms..... [18:50] * apachelogger spends a small amount of time in kde forums now :P [18:50] :) [18:52] claydoh: Everytime I browse the kubuntu forums I either get depressed or annoyed or both :/ [18:52] apachelogger: thats cuz you don't let anyone get to know you and your greatness [18:52] Also the artwork could be improved. The coloring does not help with the prevention of depresson or annoyance. [18:52] Something pink maybe ;) ;) ;) [18:52] I get annoyed there, but seldom depressed [18:53] * apachelogger remembers that case of letting others know one's greatness as seen yesterday on some irc channel and giggles away [18:53] blue is the soothing color I thought :) pink is nice tho [18:54] claydoh: kubuntuforums is using a gnome blue though. [18:54] apachelogger: you don't brag, you just let your karma flow out :) [18:54] Well, if there is a chance of getting more groupies I shall browse the kubuntu forums more. [18:54] Anything to improve my rockstar status. [18:55] Nightrose: right? ;) [18:55] claydoh: You should post a forum 101, I do not know how to use forums properly :( [18:56] definitely [19:00] claydoh: The bot protection stuff is ludicrous TBH. [19:01] * claydoh makes a forum post on how to use a wiki in order to make a wiki page about how to use forums [19:02] apachelogger: necessary, tho atm the spam bots were aweful and many and filled with pr0n [19:02] maybe just use a sensible forum software ^^ [19:02] and the new forum software with better security is still in perpetual rc status... [19:03] Also I cannot list no jabber address! Nor IRC! [19:03] Oh dear [19:03] apachelogger: I would, though smf is not bad really. The owner gets to choose what we run [19:04] Who is the owner anyway? [19:04] just a guy called Open Source, one Zack Brantley [19:05] If I didn't work 50+ hrs a week, i would have started my own. But we do now have a decent core of mods and regulars now [19:09] I dunno if he has a launchpad or wiki page, he is not active much iirc [19:10]