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akgranerwoo hoo back home from SELF02:13
akgranerand if all goes well - I'll have my shoulder fixed on Thursday :-)02:14
nigelbakgraner: yay :)02:35
akgranernigelb, :-)02:36
nigelbakgraner: how was SELF? I take it you had a great time  :)02:36
akgranerI did but I got really sicl02:37
akgranersick02:37
nigelboh, aw02:37
akgranerI think exhaustion got the better of me  :-/  until I saw jono's tweet about food poisoning now I wonder02:38
nigelboh, ouch, food poisoning isn't fun :/02:39
akgranernigelb, just sent you an email02:41
* nigelb cheks02:43
nigelbakgraner: thank you!02:44
nigelbhaha, the crown looks pretty :)02:44
akgraner:-)02:44
akgraneryeah  - for Jono's Keynote  - the SELF President - said and. "and now her Majesty, Amber Graner will introduce our Keynote Speaker"02:45
nigelbhahaha02:45
akgranerit was hilarious - I introduced Jono and JFo stood up too02:45
nigelbLOL02:45
akgranerJFO was wearing a shirt that had bacon on it with a name tag that said "hello my name is Kevin"02:46
akgranerand he crossed out Kevin and wrote Jono02:46
akgranerit was pretty funny02:46
nigelbI now get a hang of how awsome JFO is :)02:46
dpmgood morning everyone08:01
nigelbabudpm: morning :)08:06
nigelbabudpm: there is a bug I want your help with08:06
dpmhey nigelbabu :)08:07
dpmsure, shoot08:07
nigelbabudpm: remember that ekiga desktop entries bug? since ekiga is no longer in main (at least for lucid that I know of), closing the bug as invalid is fine right?08:07
jussi!info ekiga08:10
ubot2jussi: ekiga (source: ekiga): H.323 and SIP compatible VoIP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2.6-1ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 1828 kB, installed size 16240 kB08:10
* nigelbabu hugs jussi :)08:10
nigelbabuthank you :)08:10
jussi:)08:10
dpmnigelbabu, yeah, I think it should be fine. I cannot really remember the bug, though, what was it exactly?. Ekiga is a GNOME app, so the .desktop files should be translatable along with the application's translations08:13
nigelbabudpm: but launchpad translations is only for main applications right?08:13
nigelbabuanyway, lemme get you the bug number08:14
dholbachgood morning08:14
dpmnigelbabu, yeah, yeah, that's right.08:14
dpmheya dholbach!08:14
dholbachhiya dpm08:14
nigelbabumorning dholbach :)08:14
nigelbabudpm: bug 41505508:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 415055 in scim (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Translations should be stripped from the .desktop file (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41505508:15
dholbachniya nigelbabu08:15
dpmnigelbabu, ah, yeah, that one. Yes, I think it can be closed as Invalid for Ekiga as we've said08:16
nigelbabudpm: awesome, thanks.  I was pretty sure it could, but I wanted to check with the translations overload :D08:16
nigelbabu*Overlord08:16
dpmhahaha :)08:18
dpmdid you watch the match last night dholbach?08:18
dholbachdpm: of course I did08:18
dholbachdpm: afraid?08:18
dholbach:-)08:19
dpmhahaha08:19
* jussi cries a little...08:19
nigelbabuhaha, I <3 the match08:27
nigelbabunice to see aussies getting kicked :)08:27
* nigelbabu runs from jussi08:27
jussi/abrn nigelbabu NEVER UNBAN!08:30
jussi:P08:30
nigelbabulol08:30
czajkowskiAloha09:08
nigelbabumorning czajkowski :)09:16
czajkowskinigelbabu: good weekend ?09:17
nigelbabuczajkowski: oh yes :) caught up some lost sleep and some pending reading :)09:17
nigelbabuAnd, amber managed to woo me into writing for uwn :)09:18
czajkowskihahah she has mystical magical ways09:19
czajkowskidholbach: how did your talks go ?09:20
dholbachhey czajkowski - good, thanks :)10:36
dholbachwas still a bit hectic10:36
dholbachhow was your WE?10:36
randa_hi dholbach como estas11:51
dholbachhola randa_! muy bien - gracias :-)11:52
dholbachranda_: how 'bout you?11:52
randa_dholbach: good good, thanks11:53
dholbachgreat :)11:54
doctormoThere are 4 main identifiable design problems with empathy for irc, I should start a company to fix them.12:11
doctormoMorning everyone12:11
jussidoctormo: LOL12:22
jussiand good morning12:22
nigelbabudoctormo: haha, good morning!12:30
doctormoWhat are you up to nigelbabu the mighty?12:31
nigelbabudoctormo: oh not much, world conquest, mind control and other stuff :D12:32
doctormoSpare some time for my own personal ventures please.12:32
nigelbabuhehe :)12:33
doctormonigelbabu and jussi: could you two please review this: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2rrvxf12:41
nigelbabudoctormo: <3 the cartoon :)12:42
nigelbabudoctormo: Its *beautiful*12:42
nigelbabureminds me of the japanese cartoons like pokemon :)12:42
doctormonigelbabu: Risa Judge © Arturo Silva, 2009, CC-BY-SA12:43
nigelbabuAlso, get rid of the font you wrote the text in please? Its too formal to go with the playful poster12:43
nigelbabuahhh!12:43
doctormonigelbabu: It was my idea, but it's not my drawing :-)12:43
nigelbabuhaha, It looks awesome except for the font in which you wrote the text12:43
popeydoctormo: like your avatar there12:44
doctormoDo you think a Sans would be better?12:44
nigelbabuI *think* sans might be better12:49
nigelbabubut you're the artist here :)12:49
doctormopopey: It's animated... or it would be if I got round to it http://doctormo.deviantart.com/favourites/#/d2pnfny12:53
doctormoI wonder if I could put the animated version as my headochi on planet ubuntu, or if that would just annoy people to have animations.12:56
popeyhah12:59
jussidoctormo: it would anooy people... I guarantee you13:00
jussi:P13:00
doctormojussi: Sounds like a prediction waiting for an experiment.13:01
popeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu nothing there about it :)13:02
nigelbabuwhat, annoy people? this isn't debian :D13:02
doctormoOK, animated head pushed, I'll give it a week to see if there are complaints.13:09
doctormoIf there are, I'll just point it back.13:10
* popey files a complaint13:12
AlanBelldoctormo: s/celibrated/celebrated/13:30
doctormoAlanBell: Thanks, what did I want to talk to you about... hang on13:31
* AlanBell hides13:32
doctormoAlanBell: Ah right, were you involved with any recent Canonical announcements?13:35
doctormoAlanBell: Where is 'celibrated'? I looked in a few things I've written and I couldn't find it.13:37
AlanBellrules and permissions13:40
AlanBellattribution13:40
AlanBellI am involved in http://ubuntuinbusiness.eventbright.com13:41
czajkowskialoha13:46
doctormopopey: You might be interested in the three lions svg I posted at the weekend.14:06
popeyI would be willing to bet I wouldn't be interested :)14:07
popey(assuming it's football related)14:07
doctormopopey: Not even for defacement, god your no fun.14:08
doctormonigelbabu: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Free-Culture-Poster-16758307514:08
popeyI hate football :)14:08
doctormoI made it all Sans and updated the FOSS icons to mono shapes.14:08
nigelbabudoctormo: still looks too formal :/14:08
nigelbabubut probably thats just me, popey what do you think re: ^?14:08
doctormonigelbabu: And the icons?14:09
nigelbabuicons look okay :)14:09
nigelbabubut if you want, you can put that thing around it which usually denotes explosions to give it a bit of highlight14:10
popeyfull stop missing after OpenStreetMaps14:10
doctormonigelbabu: You mean jagged lines that denote explosions?14:13
nigelbabudoctormo: yep14:13
doctormoI'm actually surprised there isn't a lot more spelling errors, It's usual that there are about 30 per 1,000 words.14:13
nigelbabuI *think* it might look good, but again, it might look really bad14:14
doctormonigelbabu: Best way to check, send it to your social networks and see how they respond :-)14:14
nigelbabuput it up, I'll ask my design colleague how it looks14:14
AlanBellmaybe it should be in comic sans :-o14:16
doctormoAlanBell: That's a specific kind of comment, either serious or sarcastic. Both worth discussing.14:18
czajkowskidoctormo: did you get email off me last week ?14:19
AlanBellwell I was responding to the "too formal" comments, which I kind of agree with. Not sure that Comic Sans is the solution, but maybe a funkier font of some sort.14:19
qenseLol, the whole country stopped working for the World Cup match that just ended. Almost no traffic at times. :P14:29
qenseThe morning rush hour traffic jams where 75% shorter than regular.14:29
qenseDozens of the people I'm following on Twitter are talking about it, even company accounts.14:32
qenseThis was our school 45 minutes before I left: <http://twitpic.com/1wpvy0>. T14:34
nigelbabuqense: wow14:56
qensenigelbabu: During matches I think it is almost possible to deduce the stance by opening your window and listen. :)14:57
nigelbabuhaha14:57
qensenigelbabu: Is India actually participating, or do you just play cricket and rugby?14:58
nigelbabuqense: india is just hockey and cricket I suppose14:58
qenseAh, hockey. The Netherlands seems to be more successful with hockey than with football, but no one really notices. If I remember the news messages correctly then India always is one of the tougher opponents, right?14:59
nigelbabuqense: used to be, no longer now :/15:19
qenseaww15:19
nigelbabuaussies are better at it15:19
* nigelbabu scowls at jussi15:19
dpmthanks for forwarding my e-mail on Frisian translations, qense!15:35
qensedpm: You're most welcome. :)15:35
qensedpm: You should know that the guy is quite young, so I'm looking after him a bit.15:36
dpmoh, right, no worries. I haven't been much in touch with the Frisian team, let me know if you guys need any help15:37
qensedpm: We foremost need translators, but that's hard with a language community of about 1 million people and a lack of attention for the written language.15:37
qensedpm: But thank you for offering your help.15:37
dpmqense, do you use Frisian on your computer? Is it usable as it currently is?15:38
dpm(in terms of translation coverage, I mean)15:38
qensedpm: I don't use Frisian as I'm not a Frisian, just an inhabitant of the province that has learned a bit of the language from the people at school. I wouldn't call it really usable right now. Some major desktop elements are translated, some other major stuff is not. We are very happy with the fallback support. :)15:39
qensedpm: KDE is better translated. Mozilla has got an active Frisian team, but their work (naerly full translation, iirc) doesn't seem to be available in Ubuntu.15:40
qensedpm: There should be a small group working on Openoffice (dictionaries) as well, but I don't hear much fromt hem and there is nothing in the repositories either.15:41
dpmqense, oh, that's weird about Mozilla. Perhaps they've not achieved official status there and that's why their translations don't make it to Ubuntu. So you're using Dutch instead on your computer, or English?15:44
dpmthanks for the detailed explanation as well, these info about teams is always really useful15:45
qensedpm: Dutch, in order to not lose all contact with it. Plus, it makes writing stuff for school easier and sets all localisation correctly.15:45
qensedpm: Thank you for listening.15:45
dpm:)15:46
qensedpm: Again, I'm not a Frisian, I'm mostly import, like they say here.15:46
dpm:)15:46
jcastroman we are sucking on our work items!15:49
jcastroqense: when is that gnome open desktop day again?15:50
qensejcastro: Monday July 26th15:51
jcastrobah, I won't be there15:51
jcastrobut jono will15:52
qensejcastro: We nearly got Neelie Kroes to speak, but she was busy already.15:52
jcastrolet's ask him when he's around15:52
jcastroI don't get there until tuesday night15:52
qenseNeelie Kroes also almost got to be the next prime-minister of the Netherlands, but she refused, saying she wasn't done in Brussels yet.15:52
qensejcastro: Alright, then ask Jono once he awakens.15:52
jcastrooh no wait, I don't think jono is going to guadec15:52
qensethen who will be representing Canonical/Ubuntu to an increasingly eager government? A stammering teenager (me)?15:53
qensemake that governments15:53
jcastroI don't know15:53
qenseincluding national, provincial, municipal15:53
jcastrothe thing is is that guadec started in the middle of the week15:53
jcastroso a bunch of people won't be getting there until tuesday15:54
jcastrooh no wait15:54
qenseThe planning could have been better indeed.15:54
jcastrojono told me on the phone he was coming15:54
qenseGood news!15:54
jcastrobut he's only coming for the first part, including monday15:54
* czajkowski wishes she was going to GUADEC15:54
jcastrook, let's ambush him15:54
qensejcastro: OK. When he enters we both jump on him and don't let go until he answers all our questions!15:55
qenseczajkowski: I wish you could come.15:55
jcastroyeah!15:55
jcastroI also with czajkowski could come!15:55
qenseHer experience with the LoCos would probably be very valuable there.15:55
Pendulumczajkowski: you and I need to find a sugar daddy to send us to GUADEC ;-)15:56
czajkowskiI'd actually planned on going till my old company cocked up my plans15:57
qensejcastro: I also gave Charline information about how to submit lightning talks because she said she was interested in telling something about usability testing. Do you know whether she is going to tell something?15:57
jcastroI don't know if she is or not15:57
jcastroI think mpt is going to submit another one though15:57
jcastroand his are really good15:57
qenseMaybe we should coordinate all this, so everyone knows who else is coming. :)15:58
qenseCould you check with the two of them?15:58
qenseby the way, I'm adding the Canonical and OpenSuSE logos to the GUADEC frontpage just now.15:58
qenseI hope I won't offend anyone with the ordering.15:58
qense:)15:59
qenseand jono is online on twitter!16:00
dholbachhey jono16:15
jonohey dholbach16:15
qenseGood morning jono.16:16
jonohey qense :)16:16
qensejono: As soon as you're done with rubbing the sleep from your eyes and reading your mail I think we and jcastro should have a talk about GUADEC. There are some things that we should discuss.16:17
qenseMost important: the GNOME Open Desktop Day.16:17
jonoqense, just coordinate with jcastro - I am a bit busy today16:17
jonohe can feedback to me any requirements16:17
qensejono: He said we should talk with you.16:17
qensejono: But we can do it later this week, I suppose.16:18
jcastroqense: I'll just bring it up during the call, no worries16:18
qenseok16:18
qenseThat'll do it, probably.16:19
qenseThat'll probably do it.*16:19
jcastroqense: can you send me some prelim info now?16:19
jcastrolike, time, place, etc?16:19
qensejcastro: Sure. By mail?16:20
jcastrosure16:20
qensewill do!16:21
dholbach"The always awesome Nigel Baby" hahaha :)16:44
* dholbach hugs nigelb16:44
qensedholbach: There is a discussion going on about the 11.10 UDS dates. They are currently overlapping with the Linux Tag, but some people say that it doesn't matter much. Do you agree? If not, maybe you should make yourselves heard. :)16:46
dholbachqense: I personally don't know how much it will change things16:47
qensethere seem to be three overlapping days16:47
dholbachqense: I don't think I can add much to the discussion16:48
qenseok16:48
dholbachqense: I expect that only a few of us will be hard-core involved in making sure the images are all on the right mirrors, etc16:48
qenseI just thought I should notify you since you seem to be very active at both conferences.16:49
cjohnstonmornin16:51
Pendulumhiya cjohnston16:52
qensegood morning to you, cjohnston16:52
cjohnston:-)16:52
dholbachjono: mumble mumble?17:01
jonodholbach, give me two mins, wrapping a convo with sark17:01
dholbachsuper17:01
jonodholbach, ok, just wrapped, just gonna grab my headphones - lets see how long I can go for without puking :)17:02
* dholbach hugs jono17:02
* jono hugs dholbach17:02
popeynot too tightly!17:02
jonodholbach, damn, one sec, being pinged17:03
* dholbach hugs popey too17:03
czajkowskijono: have the tea and toast and feel better17:03
dholbachisn't it coke and salt/pretzel sticks?17:04
qenseI'd go for the tea and toast!17:04
qenseBananas are said to be good as well. :)17:04
* dholbach might've confused the house remedies :)17:05
czajkowskitea toast smothered in peanutbutter17:06
czajkowskifood of the doctor and nurses gods17:06
dholbachjono: just call whenever17:07
dholbachjono: I'll try not to run away17:07
jonodholbach, thanks, nearly done17:10
jonoits all go this morning17:10
jono_dholbach, can you hear me?17:16
dholbachhello?17:16
dholbachHELLO? :)17:16
dholbachI can hear you typing17:16
dholbachhang on17:17
jono_:)17:17
dholbachalright my friends - I call it a day17:44
dholbachsee you tomorrow!17:44
czajkowskijcastro: busy on the old bugs :)17:53
jcastro:D17:53
cjohnstonPendulum: ping18:04
Pendulumcjohnston: what's up?18:05
cjohnstonHave you gotten a chance to do any work on the template yet?18:05
Pendulumhonestly, I was going to and then I got confused on whether I was supposed to talk to newz first or not?18:06
cjohnstonnope...18:07
Pendulumokay, i'll get some stuff done on it today and tomorrow, then :)18:07
cjohnstonSweet.. thanks18:08
cjohnstonjono_: for 'Testers' are you wanting ISO testers or something else.. CommunityContributePage18:12
jono_cjohnston, ISO testers mainly18:13
cjohnstonok.. thanks18:13
jonogreg-g, hey dude, is the CC Severed Fifth thing on track for today?18:30
jonogreg-g, also, did you see my Severed Fifth Fair Pay thing? http://www.severedfifth.com/pay/18:30
jcastrojono: we on in 15?18:46
jonojcastro, yep18:48
jonojcastro, mumble?19:00
jcastroyessir!19:01
jcastroI am ready19:01
jcastrojono: ^19:01
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jcastrothings that keep me up at night: http://planet.ubuntu.com/heads/doctormo.gif19:34
greg-g:)19:35
jcastrohighvoltage: around?19:53
qenseI'm off, good bye everyone!20:15
highvoltagejcastro: yep20:42
* highvoltage feels in trouble20:42
jcastrohighvoltage: yeah, those horns you guys use.20:44
jcastrodrove me insane20:44
jcastrothat is all.20:44
czajkowskimake them stop!!20:44
czajkowskiall day on twitter!20:44
czajkowskijcastro: highvoltage evening :)20:44
jcastroheh20:44
highvoltagejcastro: heh, yeah the vuvuzelas are causing lots of trouble20:46
jcastronext UDS we should play them during the lightning talks20:47
highvoltageI'll bring mine along :)20:47
czajkowskior in any session to wake someone up20:47
highvoltagethey're quite loud, might up ending waking people up in other sessions too :)20:49
jussivuvuzelas are cool! :D20:53
jonoPendulum, highvoltage so whats the dealio on merging in the art of community into BuildingCommunity - did you folks make progress on Friday?22:33
Pendulumjono: how do you want the new pages named?22:39
jonoPendulum, I think you can just name them with a sensible title such as HandlingConflict or MeasuringCommunity or BuildingStrategy22:39
jonoetc22:39
Pendulumokay, and stuck in the articles, blog entries, and multimedia section?22:40
jonoPendulum, I think each article should be linked in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/KnowledgeBase22:41
jonosee how the others are named and listed there?22:41
jonomost will be in the 'Guides / HOWTOs' section22:41
Pendulumokay, that's where I wasn't sure. Since technically we're pulling from a pre-existing book22:41
jonono worries22:43
jonojust merge them into the rest22:43
jonojust make sure every page which has content from the book has attribution at the top22:44
jonowant to do one first and then have me review it Pendulum?22:44
Pendulumsure. i won't get it done tonight, but tomorrow, probably?22:45
jonoPendulum, sure22:49

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